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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:48 PM
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Debunking the latest Hillary lie: She started criticizing the war before Obama did.
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 09:49 PM by NJSecularist
I know, I know, we've all lost track at the amount of lies she's told. But this one takes the cake.

Let's rewind back to April 21st, 2004:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/

HILLARY: NO REGRET ON IRAQ VOTE

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she is not sorry she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq despite the recent problems there but she does regret "the way the president used the authority."

"How could they have been so poorly prepared for the aftermath of the toppling of Saddam Hussein?" the New York Democrat asked Tuesday night on CNN's "Larry King Live."

"I don't understand how they had such an unrealistic view of what was going to happen."

April has become the deadliest month for U.S. forces in Iraq since the war began more than a year ago. The U.S.-led coalition faces insurrections on several fronts, including the Sunni Muslim stronghold of Fallujah, west of Baghdad, and the militia of a Shiite Muslim cleric in Najaf in the south.

To the disappointment of some antiwar liberals in her Democratic base, Clinton, the former first lady, voted in favor of the Iraq war resolution in October 2002.

"Obviously, I've thought about that a lot in the months since," she said. "No, I don't regret giving the president authority because at the time it was in the context of weapons of mass destruction, grave threats to the United States, and clearly, Saddam Hussein had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade."



Let's fast forward to June 14, 2006.
http://www2.nysun.com/article/34404

Senator Clinton was met with loud booing, hissing, and protest chants during a speech at a conference of left-leaning Democrats yesterday when she repeated her view that American troops should stay the course in Iraq.

Mrs. Clinton called the Iraq war a "grotesque mistake" before adding "but we cannot bring the troops home until they make sure Iraq has a unified government," a comment that set off a round of raucous booing from all parts of the hall where the Washington conference of Campaign for America's Future, mostly made up of Democrats, was held.

"I do not think it is a smart strategy, either, for the president to continue with his open-ended commitment, which I think does not put enough pressure on the new Iraqi government," said Mrs. Clinton, as protesters stood up and began chanting "Bring the troops home, bring the troops home."

"Nor do I think it is smart strategy to set a date certain. I do not agree that that is in the best interests," she said. While some applauded Mrs. Clinton as she left the stage, a group of several dozen continued booing her until she had left the hall.


The trend of events are very clear. She supported the war until it was political suicide for a Democrat who wanted to win the Democratic nomination to do so.

And let's compare this to Senator Obama. Let's rewind back to October 30, 2002.

http://www.lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html
Good afternoon. Let begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil.

I don’t oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I don’t oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administrations pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again.

I don’t oppose all wars.

And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perles and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Roves to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone thru the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what Im opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.


It was almost 4 years after Obama said that this war was a mistake that Hillary finally said she was against this war.

I have willing to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt before. But this is the last stand. She is continually being dishonest and doing whatever she can for political gain. It is disgusting. She should be ashamed. Does she think we are dumb?
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:51 PM
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1. well at least its the weekend....
maybe a new wright loop will be played on monday to wipe away all this mess.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:58 PM
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5. That is what Hillary is hoping for. n/t
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 09:55 PM
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2. The ordinary voter takes her at her word
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 09:55 PM by bambino
the ordinary voter doesn't know the truth
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:00 PM
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3. Your sig logo is gorgeous
:)
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 10:02 PM
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4. Yes, that pic is great!!!!!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:44 PM
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13. Yeah it's "gorgeous"..I can't get
over how creative Obama supporters can be with that logo of his!
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:22 PM
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6. She said before the invasion that we should not go to war. nt.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:30 PM
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9. Then why the hell did she vote for the IWR? nt
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:34 PM
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10. It was after the IWR.
She looked at the IWR as necessary to put pressure on Saddam to comply with the UN Resolutions. She said so in her floor speech when voting for the IWR and consistently maintained that stance. She did not think we should invade without a broad coalition and proof that Saddam was not complying with the UN resolutions.



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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:32 AM
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22. Not what she told Code Pink 2 weeks before the war
Disarming Saddam was an imperative and if the US had to do it alone, so be it. She'd "prefer" a coalition, but made the case the world community and UN had a history of ducking their obligations, leaving America no choice but to exercise its "leadership" in military affairs. Saddam's non-compliance, which she regarded as undeniable, and international timidity finally forced our hand. She closed with an angry assertion that she would NOT jeopardize the security of the New Yorkers she represents. You can watch her here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYATbsu2cP8
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:24 PM
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7. IWV was the biggest lie of all - parroting the Bush talking points
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 11:26 PM by crankychatter
Now proclaiming herself the goddess of peace

she's a liar

her recent green light for bush on iran proves it... she has NOT changed
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:51 PM
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14. hilary is gop alright but it stands for
Garrulous Obfucatin' Prevaricator.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:29 PM
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8. Please don't report on any of Clinton's lies.
You will be accused of hate speech. It's only the Clinton supporters who are allowed to post negative information about the other candidate.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:54 PM
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15. Brawawa
Yeah, we've got to stop "the hate"..yeah, I hate her lies and what it's doing to our country.

hilary would love it if everyone just gave her a free pass to talk outta both sides of her head.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:35 PM
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11. She's oblivious of the internet so she thinks she can just say anything & no one will call her on it
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:41 PM
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12. Thanks for this NJ...and she's lying about it
in Oregon of all places..hilary doesn't even know that what she's made of herself in this campaign is something that isn't really qualfied to do much of anything except maybe write fiction.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 11:55 PM
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16. I bet she did it ON A PLANE that the Kennedy Family Paid for too, or BO didn't know...
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mrJJ Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 12:01 AM
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17. She just can't stop
Ocober 2, 2002 - Obama delivers his speech entitled "Against Going to War in Iraq"

October 10, 2002 - Clinton votes for bill entitled "Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq"

October 10, 2002
Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of
United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

As Delivered

"Today we are asked whether to give the President of the United States authority to use force in Iraq should diplomatic efforts fail to dismantle Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons and his nuclear program.

I am honored to represent nearly 19 million New Yorkers, a thoughtful democracy of voices and opinions who make themselves heard on the great issues of our day especially this one. Many have contacted my office about this resolution, both in support of and in opposition to it, and I am grateful to all who have expressed an opinion.

"If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise."

"This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction."

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:10 AM
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19. I'll bet you a dollar that someone will come along
and accuse you of "hate speech" for quoting her.
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:04 AM
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18. What is scary is that Bush has set such a low standard...
for a political leader and some are letting it carry on and over into the Dem party.
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 01:58 AM
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20. Does she think we are dumb
I would hope so because it is true. Sorry but this does nothing to promote the chances of electing Democratic Party candidates to the Presidency, the House or the Senate. If it is the work of a GOP Plant then it might not be dumb but if it's someone trying to get Democratic Party candidates elected to the Presidency, House or Senate.....well, you get my drift.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:21 AM
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21. The smear campaign rolls on...
Hate destroys
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:25 AM
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23. Hillary destroyed herself

but pathological liars can't help themselves. We'll see more of her
lies. The lies are getting bigger as she continues to slip.
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