Comments by Hillary today show a bitter woman entrenched in the ideas of yesterday

[Joe the Revelator]

Clinton, who continued making her case to the Obama supporter drew loud cheers from the crowd when she told the man: “I wish we could believe that we could get to universal health care, that we could turn the economy around, that we could end the home foreclosure crisis merely bay asking people to do it, by bringing them together, by pointing to a higher cause and expecting them to shelve their personal, ideological, personal and partisan advantages, that is not the way the world has ever worked.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/05/politics/fromtheroad/entry3996192.shtml




Seriously, is this kind of "optimism" what we want in a president?

[anonymous171]

1. That is pretty much why she is losing. Especially with the youth.

[Joe the Revelator]

3. Its even more telling that her supporters apparently "cheered" that comment

The demographic that is still with her is a scary set.

[earthlover]

25. Her supporters would cheer ANYthing!

[Yurovsky]

27. They'd cheer HRC farting ...

they do what they are told. Good little sock puppets all.

[rodeodance]

32. "BO fans would cheer him farting"

[Yurovsky]

43. I think he ripped one at the bowling alley ...

just trying to show us that he's "one of the people".

For that, I do indeed applaud him.

[StevieM]

30. Yeah, she's been humiliated by Obama and his 51% of the vote while outspending her by insane amounts

eom

[woolldog]

31. what's preventing her from raising as much money as Obama?

[Zhade]

41. Her frequent lies.

NT!

[PseudoIntellect]

40. It's hard to purchase victories if you're not a candidate of name recognition.

:)

[Jed Dilligan]

2. Why are you such a sexist pig?

:sarcasm:

[Ken Burch]

4. The comment by HRC would be valid...but only...

If that was ALL that Obama had ever proposed on those and other issues. It was never JUST hope.

[FrenchieCat]

5. No. That is the kind of cynicism that will make her lose......

and the weird thing about that is she really doesn't have a clue. Guess that's what happens when your "advisor" on strategy is none other than "Columbian Penn".

[Maddy McCall]

6. I'd rather have a realistic president than one who offers unrealistic solutions because they....

sound optimistic.

Where you got "bitter" out of her response, I have no clue, except for your irrational hatred of Hillary.

[Joe the Revelator]

8. She's bitter because she thinks that things can't happen the way she described

As another poster astutely said, her discription is how most, if not all, non-violent change has occurred in the history of the world. Its not a "realistic" comment by Hillary, it is a bitter comment bred by her frustration.

[AX10]

11. I'm with you!

[merh]

38. Yeah, that whole hope and change thing didn't work for Bill

when he ran the first time around either,did it :sarcasm:

I find it so very odd that they now will mock Obama supporters for wanting that change, for holding on to that hope.

Bill Clinton: I Still Believe In A Place Called Hope
July 16, 1992

-snip-

Tonight I want to talk with you about my hope for the future, my faith in the American people, and my vision of the kind of country we can build, together.

-snip-

This election is about putting power back in your hands and putting government back on your side. It's about putting people first.

You know, I've said that all across the country, and someone always comes back at me, as a young man did just this week at the Henry Street Settlement on the Lower East Side of Manhattan. He said, "That sounds good, Bill. But you're a politician. Why should I trust you?"

Tonight, as plainly as I can, I want to tell you who I am, what I believe, and where I want to lead America.

-snip-

Our people are pleading for change, but government is in the way. It has been hijacked by privileged, private interests. It has forgotten who really pays the bills around here -- it's taking more of your money and giving you less in return.

We have got to go beyond the brain-dead politics in Washington, and give our people the kind of government they deserve: a government that works for them.

-snip-

I end tonight where it all began for me: I still believe in a place called Hope.

[tabasco]

16. Clinton's pandering is not leadership and is not how things get done.

Clinton couldn't get health care accomplished with a Democratic Congress and she is supposed to be an expert on how things get done? That's laughable. The only way things get done is through good leadership, which Clinton has failed to demonstrate.

Her dismissal of "a higher cause" is quite revealing and just plain sad. She has no moral compass if she no longer believes in a higher cause. She bitterly mocks a higher cause because the only cause she believes in is Hillary.

[Mooney]

17. You sound like Victor Davis Hanson

accusing people who don't like your candidate with having "Bush Derangement Syndrome," as if there's no valid reason that anyone could possibly have to disparage her.

Sometimes contempt is actually earned.

[anigbrowl]

36. That's the same argument the Republicans always make about Dems - we're too idealistic

I don't think the way to win the the election is by nominating a cynic whose mantra is 'the end justifies the means'.

[Zhade]

42. I'd rather have a president who isn't a proven liar like clinton.

NT!

[BeyondGeography]

7. She has this lovely way of mocking Obama and his supporters

Meantime, she can't even get north of 47% in her own party. You'd think she'd figure this problem out, but she's too busy being told she's right about everything to notice.

[tabasco]

9. The only way anything got done was with good leadership.

Clinton seems to think her spineless pandering is the way things get done.

It's really quite sad to see a Democratic candidate dismiss "a higher cause." In her ruthlessness, she has lost her values.

[Joe the Revelator]

10. If the Goldwater Girl ever had them to begin with...

[AX10]

12. She's right.

FDR was at war with more than the Axis powers. He was at war with the right wing for his entire tenure in office, up until the day of his death.

[Armstead]

20. But he got things done

[dchill]

13. I think all of Hillary's wishes CAN come true...

with President Obama.

[slinkerwink]

14. uh. That's not the way to lead. Leaders need to inspire and she's not doing that.

[Abacus]

15. Hm, those remarks don't sound very spontaneous

Did they come off that smoothly or were there some "well..you know"s?

This is just too poetic sounding: "by bringing them together, by pointing to a higher cause and expecting them to shelve their personal, ideological, personal and partisan advantages" Has she used the line before?

[Joe the Revelator]

18. I didn't hear it, just read the article.

[madrchsod]

23. she wrote a paper about that issue

she never has believed that people can effect change in their lives,only the state can do that. obama believes if you ask people what they need then they will be part of the process....

it takes both to effect change and that is obama`s message

[JohnnyLib2]

19. I think these words can be applied to her outlook.

"Making your mark on the world is hard. If it were easy, everybody would do it. But it's not. It takes patience, it takes commitment, and it comes with plenty of failure along the way. The real test is not whether you avoid this failure, because you won't. it's whether you let it harden or shame you into inaction, or whether you learn from it; whether you choose to persevere."

[QC]

21. She seems to me to have an accurate view of how power works.

The elites do not willingly give up their power, not even in response to pretty speeches. Power is never given, only taken.

[madrchsod]

22. she has no faith

.....asking people to do it, by bringing them together, by pointing to a higher cause and expecting them to shelve their personal, ideological, personal and partisan advantages, that is not the way the world has ever worked.”

sorry hillary this is the world that billions of people want to have and you say it can never be cause it never was.

maybe this is your world hillary the world of frightened people who are not willing to break bread and bear their soul to find a common ground for the greater good.

my world is where i do these things you say can`t be done..i do these things because i am a human and i have faith if i do these things my life and those around me will be better...

[tokenlib]

24. She had that bitter edge in her speech in Butte...

"Solutions not speeches"--as she was speechifying her laundry list... She sounded sneering in some of her comments...

And her newly found enthusiasm for a fifty state strategy--was the ultimate insane utterance on her part.

[hfojvt]

26. Really? Then we have a lot in common.

too bad she's not single

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFFl0VBY3jc


Also too bad she won't shelve her own personal, ideological and partisan advantages for the good of the Democratic Party and the Country. But like most Obama supporters, I don't expect her to just because she is asked. I am counting on the Democrats of Pennyslvania and North Carolina and Indiana to join with Democrats from Wisconsin, Kansas, Iowa, Illinois et. al. in making the right choice.

[Arkana]

28. Yeah, Hillary.

It's always worked through some stubborn jackass politician trying to strong-arm their agenda through every legislative body. You got it.

Geez, for such an experienced lady, you're quite ignorant of history.

You've done nothing but mock Obama's message of bipartisanship, and then you've just crawled into your bubble, stuck your fingers in your ears, and screamed "LA LA LA LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU" whenever someone tries to explain that his message is resonating with more people than yours.

[Cha]

34. And the resonating message of

Obama's is also bringing in the Big Bucks and since he's out donated her he can spend more in PA.

[earthlover]

29. Hillary ignores history....

Hillary pooh-poohs working for a "higher cause" and bringing people together....saying this isn't the way the world has ever worked.

Here's an account of Lincoln's Gettysburg Address...." Lincoln made the war into a HIGHER CAUSE, a cause to protect a “government of the people, by the people, for the people”, not simply a war against slavery, or to keep the country together, but a war to protect the noble ideals of Liberty and
Equality"http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080207110459AApUsah

Moreover, were the colonial militias who took on the strongest army in the world during the American Revolution, the patriots who suffered through the winter at Valley Forge, who marched onto the beaches at Normandy, doing so because of "their personal, ideological, personal and partisan advantages"? Or did they put their sacrifices on the line for "a higher cause"? I think history reveals the latter. This is the reason Thomas Jefferson spelled out the ideals behind the American Revolution in the Declaration of Independence, a document not born of "personal, ideological, personal and partisan advantages" but whose signers would be hanged as traitors if they were not successful.

Most every religion, including the one Hillary worships, appeals to a "higher cause". It is certainly ironic for a religious person to down-play the role of a higher cause in the world.

History is full of people who influenced the world and people who risked everything for a "higher cause". Hillary ignores this and it glaringly shows her ignorance of history.

The economy, health care, the foreclosure crisis were CAUSED BY people looking after their "personal, ideological, personal and partisan advantages". The first step towards solving these problems is paying attention to a higher purpose of the common good. Hillary has it exactly backwards.

[merh]

39. She seems to overlook more recent history

Bill's 1992 was a campaign of hope and change.

[Cha]

33. I'll never forgive hilary for pandering to

the War On Iraq and trying to kill hope. The people who are cheering her on are the ones the clinton campaign have reached with its lies and smears and they couldn't care that less that she's a declasse, roveplaybook liar.

[quantass]

35. kick

[Eurobabe]

37. Hillary the crepe hanger

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