The Big Deal Over Clinton's Income Is BS:

[EV_Ares]

I support Obama but I think the crap thrown at the Clinton's and Hillary is over the top. Yeah, she certainly has her faults and has made some idiotic blunders and Bill has seemed to have got out of hand at times. However, just like this article about their income. So what; probably came more honestly than Bush's oil money, what about Romney, don't remember the press talking about if he was able to connect with the average voter or not. Christ, the Clinton's have been investigated and investigated (at taxpayer's expense) on their money and everything else.

Just think a lot of it is BS.

Quote out of Article: "But with the median US household income in 2006 just 48,200 dollars -- 0.3 percent of the Clinton's' earnings that year -- the revelation could undermine her efforts to connect with average voters."

Clintons' 109-million-dollar income under close scrutiny

by Paul Handley Sat Apr 5, 9:40 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Tax returns released by former first couple Hillary and Bill Clinton revealed they earned 109 million dollars over eight years, and questions have been raised bout the sources of much of their wealth.

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080406/pl_afp/usvote2008clintons

[dkf]

1. Some people care and some people don't.

It will be interesting to see how PA reacts. I for one have no clue how it will go.

[iamjoy]

2. How Much Money Does McCain Has

Of course, he didn't really inherit it and didn't really work for it either - he married it.

[0007]

6. The Easter Egg Lady came from a family with a bent frame.

[rvgwinn]

3. CLINTON INC TAX

THANK YOU.

[Bolo Boffin]

4. If the Clintons had ever made a secret of this, that might be one thing.

The actual figures have been held close, but they've talked about making money, and Bill has even used this new wealth to point all of the Bush tax cuts he's been getting and not needing. For this Obama supporter, it's a non-issue as well.

[Kittycat]

5. What I care about is WHO is behind their income (particularly Bill's)

I don't need those skeletons walking out in all their shame throughout the GE.

[Donkeykick]

7. Just like you said, man.

This was something earned from speeches after his tenure. All ex-Presidents do this. :wtf: :eyes:

[shaniqua6392]

8. I hope people are not so stupid

that they would hold it against them that they made a lot of money. They also gave up about 33% of it in taxes and another 10% in charitable donations. All former Presidents make a lot of money once they leave office. How about G.H.W. Bush, Carter, etc.?? I wonder how much George Bush will make once he leaves office? At least Bill Clinton was a good President and people still want to hear him speak.

[connecticut yankee]

27. Not to mention

the money Jerry Ford made for speeches and the Mansion Reagan's friends bought him.

But they didn't have spouses who were running for President. That's why the Clintons' taxes are being examined.

[tekisui]

9. $800,000 came from Data-Mining Co.

Like the one used by the chimp administration to spy on you and me. $15 million came from an off-shore fund, for unknown services.

It didn't come honestly, that is the point.

[rvgwinn]

12. PROOF?

[tekisui]

18. See here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5397925&mesg_id=5397925

[MonkeyFunk]

19. Feh!

It's a smear against the Clintons! Proof has never been a requirement.

[tekisui]

24. Look above.

[TexasObserver]

21. and that's just one of the many sell outs by the Clintons

Bill got in bed with a Canadian oil billionaire to help him get a deal with a dictator.

Bill has gotten over $500 million contributed to his library, and has failed to disclose those contributors. He's become very shady.

[EV_Ares]

33. Links and supporting info for the allegations?

[TexasObserver]

37. stop being lazy and disingenuous

here's your link:

http://www.google.com/

Stop being lazy. Go do some research yourself, then you won't be just another ignorant person who expects others to hand feed you answers you could and should find yourself.

[EV_Ares]

45. Evidently, you are the lazy one and to take the time to post this crap and

refuse to furnish supporting info and documentation on your allegations goes to show it is what it is, just something you are throwing out.

Why should others have to look up information we know is not necessarily true when you are the one making it. If it is true, than no problem sharing it with others is there. Also, your attitude shows what I thought anyway.

[splat]

10. Agreed -- and they paid a helluva lot of taxes

[ksoze]

11. Much of the Big Dal was here

desperate for anything anti-Hillary, it was tossed around here pretty heavily. In the zeal to ensure their personal Obama bubble does not burst, the zealots here will jump and trash ANYTHING that starts with the letter "H".

[TexasObserver]

13. Yes, it does matter.

While she has been a US senator, she has sold out to contributors of special interests, and Bill has sold his soul to nefarious interests via his "speaking" engagements. Add the money they have taken off the books, to his library foundation, and you have a couple that has wallowed among the pigs they're supposed to be standing against.

It's not the money, but how they got it and who they've slept with to get it.

So, yes, it does matter.

[ksoze]

14. at some point you'll back that up with facts?

if only just throwing out crap like that made it true - you would be a king.

[EV_Ares]

28. Instead of just throwing out your allegations, why don't you provide links

to support all of what you say. Yes, speaking engagements, so what, that is a given for anyone with his prominence. The requests pour in and he can help get out necessary information to the public which otherwise would not be out there. The library foundation, how do you think presidential libraries get built? "a couple that has wallowed among the pigs........................." not worth a reply, evidently you have a hatred to-wards the Clinton's. As I have stated, she certainly is not my candidate of choice but stuff such as this is bull.

[TexasObserver]

39. stop being lazy and disingenuous

try doing some research yourself, instead of relying on others to chew your food for you

[EV_Ares]

40. Didn't make the accusations, if you don't have the info, so be it. Thanks, eom.

[TexasObserver]

51. I have the information. You could, too, if you would get your head out of the sand.

But you won't, because you think self imposed ignorance is the same as knowledge.

It's easy to see why you're for Clinton. Being ignorant and uneducated is practically a prerequisite for that role.

[EV_Ares]

55. And on the other hand, you won't post backup because you can't. I

don't need to go around and research everyone else's posts. Most people on here back up what they say. Doesn't matter to me actually that you can't and don't. It just proves my point. Thanks.

[TexasObserver]

56. Nah, I'll just put you Ignore with the other whiners.

[EV_Ares]

57. The only whiner is yourself incensed that someone would ask you to

support what you say. As for the ignore button, certainly doesn't matter to me as if you are putting out bs like this and refuse to back it up. Nothing lost. Will respond accordingly anyway and get my point across for others along with "documentation".

[izzybeans]

15. I think as a sitting Senator I'm glad I have a chance to know where her money comes from.

We should be able to see all our elected officials returns. Then we can all decide for ourselves where their loyalties lie.

[TexasObserver]

16. the interests she's supposed to have been controlling have lined her pockets

She's a sellout, and so is Bill.

[rvgwinn]

17. WOULDN'T THAT BE NICE!

[Bake]

29. Hmmm ... where did Feinstein's money come from?

I believe her hubby made it, lots of it, as a defense contractor....

Bake

[izzybeans]

30. It would certainly open things up wouldn't it.

[EV_Ares]

32. Agree with that but the point of this post is that they should not come

under anymore scrutiny than any other presidential candidate. Do you think Romney is any more in touch with the average american than Hillary or any other multi-millionaire. The Clinton's are attacked for making money, criticized and apparently held to a higher standard than anyone else.

I agree any public official needs to disclose their financial situation.

[izzybeans]

38. I agree they should be scrutinized fairly and equally. That way we can trust the positive and

negative results of that scrutiny.

[EV_Ares]

42. Right-on, agree and thanks for the post.

[Moochy]

53. A Sunshine Policy is the Best Policy

And the only iffy thing in their fortune is the Kazakhstan money, IMO.

[mmonk]

20. Household income in relation to the Clintons' income is not the issue.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/09/clinton-libary-.html

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., said she was "sure be happy to consider" making public the names of donors to the library. But she refused to say whether she had asked him to do so.

-snip-

She also touted a bill she’s sponsored that would require "sitting presidents" -- though not former presidents -- to reveal any donation to their presidential libraries. "I think that's a good policy," she said.

-snip-

Among the entities who have been reported to have given more than $1 million toward the presidentical center: the governments of Dubai, Kuwait, and Qatar; the Saudi royal family; a deputy prime minister of Lebanon; filmmakers Steven Spielberg, Stephen Bing, and David Geffen; Wal-Mart and Wal-Mart heir Alice Walton; the Anheuser-Busch Foundation; and Vin Gupta, chairman and CEO of infoUSA Inc., a telemarketing firm that has come under scrutiny for its handling of private information.



Is this her trying to have it both ways?

[mediaman007]

22. During the same time span, Kevin Garnett made about $120 million!

[TexasObserver]

25. Kevin Garnett is a ball player, not a US senator, and he's not whored himself

like Bill and Hillary have whored themselves to special interests.

It isn't the money, but how they got it, and who they've slept with to get.

If you don't understand that, maybe you don't understand what being a Democratic office holder is suppose to mean. Is KG an elected Democrat? No. Is he running for president? No.

[mediaman007]

26. Can they not write books? A good portion of their money came from

publishing books. All presidents write memoirs. Bill was entitled to his. One of Hillary's books was published before she was a senator.

Personally, I'm not a Hillary fan because I don't like the worship group that she joined. But in this day and time a million dollars doesn't make anyone that special. Further, I think that you are setting the bar pretty high for any politician. Senator Obama may not be able to reach your high bar either. He isn't very tolerant of alternative life styles and compromises a little too quickly for me. But, time will tell.

I thought Biden was the best choice, so now I just wait and watch the Obama people write tirade after tirade on the Clintons.

[TexasObserver]

35. the books are not the problem and make up only about 15% of the total

Have you even looked at the money Bill got for speaking, and who he got it from?

You don't seem concerned that the husband of a US senator who is running for president has been selling himself to the highest bidder for the past 7 years.

These are not the Clintons many of us fought to send to Washington 16 years ago. They have become another branch of the Bush family.

[mediaman007]

58. Gee, I think that your in so deep in the Obama thing that you can't step

back and give Bill Clinton some credit. Not only is he a great speaker, but he is a deep thinker. I can imagine that he has been a keynote at a lot of corporate annual meetings. Do you think that his message is to continue to ignore what is happening to our country? Do you think that all stockholders in a corporation agree with the management?

As for being the husband of a United States Senator, I can imagine that Bill probably speaks to Hillary about his visits... when they are together. I personally see a lot more indication of collusion in the lead up to 9-11 and the Iraq War.

Now I think that Barack is a great speaker. I would imagine that he will be in demand to speak at corporate meetings after his presidency. Will you object to that?

I don't think you should be so worried about Hillary overtaking Obama.

On edit: I looked at your profile. I thought you weren't going to post again until you had driven Hillary out of the race. You know it took me more than five years to get 2000 posts. I amazed that you could put together 3,000 in just a little over two months. I'm in awe.

[EV_Ares]

44. Correct, the demand for his speaking engagements are unbelievable which

of course, he is a good speaker. That is what is bs about the article as their earnings have been investigated and investigated, there is not much that is not known about the Clinton's.

[Bake]

31. And Michelle Obama whored her law degree to be a corporate lawyer

Sidley & Austin, IIRC.

Bake

[EV_Ares]

34. links and supporting information for your allegations?

[TexasObserver]

36. if you don't know, I suggest you spend some time looking

here's your link:

http://www.google.com/

Stop being lazy. Go do some research yourself, then you won't be just another ignorant person who expects others to hand feed you answers you could and should find yourself.

[EV_Ares]

43. evidently you are the lazy one who just wants to make accusations

without supporting what you say.

[TexasObserver]

49. No, I just know that trying to reason with you is a waste of time.

As soon as this thread is dead, I'll put you on ignore with the other Hillary Shills.

[EV_Ares]

54. LOL, whatever, "trying to reason". You put out some garbage and have

no way to back it up with supporting documentation and expect others to just accept what you say and to go research someone else's garbage. Now that is good logic and reasoning. Man, you are a trip. TX, right.

[msongs]

41. baseball INC and its filthy rich tax subsidized owners are NOT special interests anymore???? nt

[blm]

48. Did Garnett spend the 90s deep-sixing BCCI matters and then line his bank accounts with

millions RECENTLY from the very people involved with BCCI who were protected throughout the 90s?

Those tax returns don't even include the most recent 20 million payoff Bill got from Yucaipa after Dubai pumped those millions into it.

Same Dubai royals who were involved with BCCI and GHWBush and Jackson Stephens.

[AllentownJake]

23. Why this matters

I don't mean to sound too machivellian here but the fact is people knowing she has 109 million is going to hurt her fund raising. Why give money to someone who is losing when you know they have millions on hand. The true blue supporters will still come out for her but the $25 and $50 donations are going to decrease substantially.

[Moochy]

46. In it to win it

Any little bit you give her now is a loan she doesnt have to pay back after the election is over!

Mark Penn's uses 10,000 kilo calories per hour thinking of the next lie, and so his ravenous maw must be filled on the hour with laundry baskets full of dunkin donuts and 50 gallon drums of coffee, or all is lost!

[stillcool]

47. I'm not understanding why..

it took them so long to release this stuff. I wouldn't even know what to look for, to decipher if there were problems, so I'll just have to wait and see.

[Doctor_J]

50. Just more hate radio/cable "news" BS that half the DUers won't let die

it's amazing how many limbeciles have been lurking around here for years waiting to find something to live for. Why can't We (DU as a whole) let the 26% have their fund with this.

[tabasco]

52. It's not like the Clintons would take kickbacks for supporting a murderous dictator or something!

Oh, wait a minute........



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-kleiman/the-strange-case-of-the-e_b_84201.html