ABC's This Week: Condi Does Want The Veep Spot

[Me.]

Neocon Dan Senor, self described member of the inside the beltway chattering class, said that Condi showed up at Grover Norquist's Wednesday meeting, a rare happening for her and interpreted as her making a move despite her claims of disinterest. George Will then added that in last Sunday's greenroom, Lieberman said Condi was a potential. To me, this would be a dream ticket for the dems to run against. The warmonger and the incompetent, McSame and Miss Lame on the same ticket.

[tekisui]

1. Anyone from the War Crimes Administration will be a losing ticket.

[newfie11]

2. mccain & condi, God help us all

[Eurobabe]

4. Gosh, I could save the duct tape to vote against THAT ticket!

[Voice for Peace]

54. I think it's Lieberman, with an unfortunate health crisis for McCain. nt

[lisa58]

3. I can't imagine they don't realize what a losing ticket this would be

marrying McCain even more to the current administration is suicide - what am I missing?

[Me.]

8. You Are Dealing With RepubliCONs

a title synonymous with delusional

[lisa58]

11. thanks for the reminder

[H2O Man]

5. This is important.

There are competing groups within the GOP. We saw that in the primaries.

McCain won the nomination, but he has not united the various interest groups. When we look at the Bush the Elder group, we see they are backing McCain. But the Bush the Junior group isn't.

The Junior group includes two others: the OVP Cheneyites and neoconservatives. (The Cheneyites and neoconservatives are very closely linked, but not identical.)

We remember thayt in Woodward's book (State of Denial), he quotes the Elder as saying, "Condi has been a real disappointment, hasn't she?" But the Juniors are pushing for Condi to be placed on McCain's ticket as VP.

It isn't only to strengthen the republican ticket: it is because the OVP is not a seat of power outside the Constitutional authority of the executive branch, and beyond the oversite of the congress.

[Me.]

16. Once Again You Hit The Nail On The Proverbial Head

And gives us a reason for why she would want it when she days she doesn't. Whose policies? Jr's? Certainly not Cheney given the way he and Rummy treated her? The neos, Hadley and the rest of those boys? Apparently she has Lieberman's backing.

[H2O Man]

17. Right.

She isn't a Cheneyite. She is a neoconservative, but not a typical one who is as closely associated with the failed policies as many others.

I would also point out to those who believe the white conservatives would reject a black candidate that there is a huge difference between the way they view a black man and a black woman. That difference has allowed many racists to feel more comfortable having a black woman in their employment/home than a black man.

More, in a year when the democrats are creating excitement with a contest featuring a black man and a woman, the republicans will recognize the potential value of running a black woman for VP. One need only look to Injustice Clarance to see how the republican machine is willing to play this type of thing.

Condi puts a smiling, comforting face on the republican war machine.

[Me.]

20. Excellent Point About The Comfort Zone

Not an obvious consideration. How do Americans on the whole view Condi?

[H2O Man]

24. I always use

the "3 Groups" model. Let's think of the possibile McCain/Rice ticket: {a} those who are sure to support them; {b} those who are sure to oppose them; and {c} the undecided.

Thus, we see there are three groups within "Americans on the whole," including those who absolutely will support the republican ticket; those who will oppose it; and the "undecided." In this context, the only group we need to look at -- and the only group the republican leaders are looking at -- are those in Group C.

Condi's ability to draw in black Americans is generally limited. The republican goal is to appeal to women in general, and those who are going to be angry that Obama won the democratic nomination specifically. Condi is a smiling, non-threatening person who will be promoted as representing the advancement of women in our society, by way of the republicans. Make sense?

[Me.]

25. Mind Blowing Sense

And makes it apparent that if that is the ticket the dems will have to use as much 'ammo' on her as McCain. Of course, there is plenty to use. I also wonder if, behind the scenes. 41's group will work against her? Or will it go down the 'party first' line?

[H2O Man]

26. Keep in mind that

John McCain has to pick a VP nominee who will be younger and more vigorous, but yet not someone who will eclipse him in the campaign. DUers might want to try to make a list of people -- excluding Dan Quayle -- who fit that description. There is the implication of someone capable of taking over, due to the uncomfortable concerns raised by Chuck Norris when he compared "presidential years" to "dog years."

[Me.]

30. Good One Chuck

Lieberman might've been a contender, but surely they wouldn't be that delusional? Jeb, Romney & Crist would loom larger, there are problems with Ridge inside the party, McSame doesn't like Huckleberry, though my devil advocacy says he'd be a great choice for McCain. Kay Bailey might be a possibility.

[H2O Man]

31. Lieberman

will be the Secretary of State, should McCain be elected. Count on that.

[Me.]

32. Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran...

God can you imagine? We'll really be down the sewer.

[PA Democrat]

46. I agree. And the fact that he seems to have inside knowledge of

the VP slot indicates that he's already had discussions regarding a position in a McCain presidency.

Interesting choice. I know that Cheney and Rumsfeld ran roughshod over Condi when it came to almost every decision regarding Iraq. She has been a extremely weak Secretary of State and National Security Adviser. I don't see her as someone who has the credentials to potentially step in and perform the role of President. On paper she might look good, but not based upon her track record.

[H2O Man]

52. I suspect that much

of the reporting on "the troubles" between Condi and Cheney/Rumsfeld was merely an attempt to manipulate the public into believing that there were significant differences within the administration. There are always personality clashes in any administration -- or any other group of people. But they share common interests and have common goals.

[TahitiNut]

44. Not only would she not eclipse him in the campaign, she'd be comfortable in that ...

... "undisclosed location" pulling the strings and operating a 'shadow government' for the corporations - especially Exxon and Halliburton. That's what Bush41 did ... what Cheney does .. and (why fix what's not broken) what McCain's second would do. McCain only bothers the right since he's not quite as controllable as Bush43 (who is?) ... but has emotional pathologies anyway. I'd look at Cindy to see the model for enabling ... and I'm sure the GOP has.

[H2O Man]

53. Exacly right.

One need only look at Rice's refusal to cooperate with Congress when they have made the few feeble attempts at oversight. She is a "team player" for the forces who oppose our Constitutional democracy, and who have installed a shadow government.

[Dulcinea]

33. Is she even a neocon?

Condi seems to me to be more about advancing herself than any particular agenda. What has she ever done but make friends in high places?

[Me.]

40. Her Association With Hadley & Abrams

Put her in that camp, though I wouldn't describe her as a hardliner, yet she put hardliner Abrams in charge of middle east policy.

[H2O Man]

43. It is to their advantage

that her public image is not of a hardliner. But she is.

[dansolo]

6. All it would do is drive away the bigots

If they think that having a black woman would peel away support from the Democrats, they are only fooling themselves. All it would do is make the people who hate McCain, but will vote for him to keep Obama out of the White House, to just stay home.

[Me.]

10. Yep

Let's hope they don't think this one out.

[mucifer]

7. the craziest racists of the gop will stay home. I hope they do have condi.

[ericgtr]

9. "I believe the title was 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.' "

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/911.commission/index.html
"Asked by Democratic commissioner Richard Ben-Veniste, a former Watergate prosecutor who has read the memo, to recall the title"

That will crush her.

[lisa58]

12. and who can forget...

...No one could have imagined using planes as missles.

[bluestateguy]

13. She gives McCain nothing with the social conservatives

He is already fine with the neo-cons, but Condo is pro-choice and is attached at the hip to Bush.

[goldcanyonaz]

14. I know many here think this is a bad ticket, but the GOP women are going to go for it.

They've loves them some Candi.

[Shae]

15. We can only hope.

She is thoroughly enmeshed in the Bush administration, and is like -- what? a negative 75 on the charisma scale?
Her only pluses is that she is black and female.

[Hepburn]

18. OMG.....

...what a fucking scary thought: McCain-Rice!

[Frustratedlady]

19. Hmmm! Condi as VP, McCain as Prez....for a bit...

McCain suddenly has bad health...really bad health and Condi takes over. They move Jeb into VP and all's fine with the world.

Yeah, I can see that.

[Shae]

21. OT , but ...

I really LOVE that Steve Earle song, "Oh, Condi, Condi."

[City Lights]

22. Off topic, but for those who may not know, neocon Dan Senor is married

to CNN's Campbell Brown. Small world.

[DavidDvorkin]

23. Oh, boy! I love it!

It's too good to be true, so it probably won't happen. But I'll keep hoping.

[tblue37]

27. Excellent--It would help disarm the racist attacks on our candidate. n/t

[libnnc]

28. OK, cue up the tape of little Condi

testifying in front of congress..."We could not have imagined airplanes flying into buildings...."

PDB, anyone?

Run her testimony 24/7

[Swamp Rat]

29. The would definitely lose the KKK vote, which is part of the GOP base.

[KaptBunnyPants]

34. Well, it's a black female VP, or a black male President.

Black males are scarier to bigots, and the president is a more powerful position, usually. If the bigots can convince themselves that Condi is merely a useful tool who won't be given any real power, they might turn out anyway.

[Swamp Rat]

35. The KKK are part of the GOP base.

They are not going to vote for a 'librul' black man no matter what, and I am certain they would prefer a Jewish man (Lieberman) than a black woman.

[Me.]

41. Dinos For Sure

:thumbsup:

[samsingh]

36. that should aid in the repug continued destruction

[GeorgeGist]

37. Kinda lame not to wonder WTF Obama...

was thinking when he voted for Condi.

[BlueIdaho]

Dupe

[BlueIdaho]

38. George Bush's girlfriend? VP? Really?

Well she's been such a success at her day job she's a natural to back up that old wanker McShame.

[tabasco]

39. She's done so well as Natl. Security Advisor and Sec. of State.

- As National Security Advisor, ignored clear warnings and allowed worst terror attack on US soil.
- As Secretary of State, ruined international relations.

I can see why the republicans want her to run!

[lunatica]

42. And Jeb too...

And then there's this. I think McCain might be floating Jeb Bush's name to see if there's any takers wanting him to be VP. I can't help remembering Bush doing a tap dance for the media while waiting for McCain at the White House. Happy feet victory jig maybe?

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080403/BREAKINGNEWS/80403039/1086/news01

McCain will seek Jeb Bush's help on education

Republican Presidential candidate John McCain said Thursday he has turned to former Gov. Jeb Bush for advice on education policy and will continue to do so if he wins the November election.

McCain said he's had meetings with Bush for "a couple of years" on education policy and enthusiastically said he would seek his help if elected. The Arizona senator made the remarks after being asked how Bush will help the campaign.

"He has offered to do whatever he says he can and I appreciate it. On the education issue he is already helping out," McCain said. "He's very well respected on many issues, but education is probably one where I think he has a nationwide reputation."

more...

[jasmine621]

45. Trush me, I still don't think McCain will be the nominee after the convention

but if he is, the VP selection will be one that RW conservatives and many moderates will be able to embrace and therefore make the GE a focus of more about who is in the VP spot.

[Colobo]

47. McCain/Rice... it would be a very strange GOP ticket.

[TexasObserver]

48. Condi has zero chance of being on their ticket.

She has no credibility outside the Bush inner circle, and even there, they give her a title but no real power.

[The Backlash Cometh]

49. Condi will be remembered as the lady of disaster.

So, g'head. I hope McCain makes her his VP.

[blogslut]

50. Interesting possiblity

Still, I get this sneaking feeling that McCain is going to choose Romney.

[easy_b94]

51. This can only work "IF" Obama doesn't get the nod

[PatGund]

55. Actually it makes sense......

If Sen. Clinton can claim presidential experience from sleeping with a president, then Condi Rice can also claim that experience as well.

She did once call Bush her "husband", after all..........