Two people who hurt most by what is going on with Obama and the voters:

[jasmine621]

Hillary and Edwards. They have to be personally hurt by the media fawning over Obama, the media passes he gets, the rock star environment, etc. Think about it. A former VP nominee who speaks to and for the issues of the poor, and a former First Lady whose dedicated her life's work to children and the issues of the working folks, minorities, women and the spouse of one of the most successful Presidents in modern history over shadowed by a relatively unknown, charismatic, African American whom most blacks didn't even know.

The people in control are very good at what they do. They knew the only way to pull the minority vote away from HRC was to hype an appealing black candidate and they started the snowball running down hill on the race-baiting crap. What they never counted on was that the snowball would consume Edwards as a very viable southern candidate as it rolled over HRC. What they also didn't count on was that a new snow storm of young folks would keep the ball rolling down hill as it picked up more new falling snow.

My only thought now is what happens at the end of another day when the sun comes out and melts the snow? Will that snowball have suffocated HRC and John to the point of political death? And what will BO do when the next snow storm brings the next avalanche?

[NoodleBoy]

1. That's right-- Obama is in the lead not because his message resonates with people,

IT'S TEH EVILZ MEDJA!!

[jasmine621]

6. Right. His message and HRC's message and John's message are

essentially the same. Thanks for making my point.

[NoodleBoy]

9. Yeah, who delivers that message, how they deliver it, and who they're associated with HAVE NO PART

at all.

OBVIOUSLY the media would bully behind the one major Democratic candidate who has never been associated with the DLC.

[Life Long Dem]

26. Sounds more like paranoia

[izzybeans]

2. "It's not a coronation"-Hillary Clinton

It isn't her turn either. She has to win the nomination like everyone else.

I hope she is not troubled by all the citizen support Obama gets.

[bunnies]

3. those damned voters.

Who the hell do they think they are?! Better get the party insiders to save us all from ourselves. Quick!

[silverojo]

23. The nerve of We The People

Trying to make our own decisions!! I imagine, though, there'd be a lot less whining from the HRC camp, if she were solidly in the lead in the popular vote. ;)

[bunnies]

32. No kidding.

Its like we think this is a democracy or something. Well... SOME of us do anyway. :)

[azmouse]

4. ...

[babylonsister]

5. Yes, all those people who have gone out of their way to see and

hear Obama have only done so because 'the media told them to'. Pleeze. Maybe we just like him more? Maybe he inspires more confidence? :eyes:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

7. Good Lord.

This is the same media that spent most of last year wondering aloud whether Obama was "black enough" to get the black vote. You're being ridiculous.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

8. Actually, the powers-that-be shut Edwards out......

Everyone, including the Clintons, who are corporatists par excellence, were afraid of Edwards.

[lisa58]

19. The powers that be shut everyone out...

...Clinton was the presumptive nominee and was for a full year before the primary season began. Edwards was probably considered more viable than Obama, but Biden, Dodd, Richardson etc., etc., they got nothing.

Hillary is being challenged and no one saw it coming, least of all Hillary's campaign. If they saw a threat to her nomination they would have run a very different campaign.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

22. I agree, but how could she and her campaign not have seen it when everyone else did?

When people began telling me that Hillary was going to run, my response was always, WHAT FOR?

I lived every minute of the Clinton years and remember how disliked she was. She was VERY hated by the right wing. They made up shit about her every chance they got. They ruined her reputation for the future. Suddenly, despite this, there she was, wanting to run. I understand someone being ambitious. I understand someone wanting to be president. I understand power, the intoxication of power, etc. etc. But if your reputation has been ruined, and people dislike you a lot, even if a few people around you, tell you you rock, you are STILL going to be in trouble. The whole step of the way of Hillary Clinton putting herself up as a potential nominee for the Dems, I was in shock. She forced it, and forced it, and forced it, despite people not really warming up to her for the reasons I stated before. She needs to STOP NOW. My God, it's like someone with a scab, continuously pulling it off, letting it scab again, then pulling it off again. Sheesh. I do not GET IT.

[lisa58]

29. I don't get it either...

...I remember when she was considering running for the Senate, my brother thought she just shouldn't - why invite more hell into your life - she was a walking punchline.

I actually think she should stay in the race, that it is good for the party to campaign in every state in order to have "boots on the ground" everywhere come the general, but I also think that the Clintons ability to deny reality is painful to watch and as someone who defended them througout the 90's I find this incredibly disappointing.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

35. I, too, defended the Clintons through the entire 90s, when no one else was defending them

I, too, am now disappointed. My disappointment began when I saw Clinton was palsying around with Bush's father. Other presidents hadn't done that sort of thing, and I never expected a president who had been wrongly impeached by the right wing would sink to such a low.

[polichick]

10. Clinton and Edwards need to move on - use their fortunes to do good in the world...

...and stop thinking about their own power.

[SammyWinstonJack]

11. Wish Obama had kept his "promise" to finish out his senate term before running for president.

Of course he never had any intention of doing that. What else does he have no intention of doing that he has promised, I wonder?

[NoodleBoy]

14. I wish Hillary Clinton promised to serve out her second term like she said she would

And John Edwards said he wouldn't accept the VP nomination in 2004, like he said he would just before the 04 primaries.

[pocoloco]

20. Sometimes you have to sacrifice for the good of the US of A!

And you are bitching because he is fighting for you???

Wah Wah Wah!

[SoCalDem]

12. Um...no

Politics is not beanbag..and they all know it..

I liked Edwards, but there's something about him that just did not click

He's tried twice ( or more?), and failed each time.. He would make a great Attorney General or SCOTUS justice..

as for HRH, she'll do fine.. a woman WILL be president some day..just not her..

[walldude]

18. Edwards for AG!

Brilliant! For all the whining and complaining about both candidates there are still ways to unite the party and get something done, and Edwards as AG is a great idea..

[LWolf]

13. Interesting question.

I don't know the answer.

I suspect that when the snow melts, many will find that Obama has feet of clay. :shrug:

[Maureen54]

15. Don't forget

The media had Clinton as the presumptive nominee in the beginning of this race. I don't remember hearing about any of the candidates early on. Did the media "do this' for Obama or did the voters?

[BlueIdaho]

16. That will be news to them...

They are both grown up enough to accept responsibility for their campaigns failures. Any adult that blames others for their own failures doesn't pass the commander and chief test. What hurt them was their inability to capture the imagination of the voters and their inability to garner enough donations to keep their campaigns going.

HRC and Edwards both know they only need to look in the mirror to find what went wrong with their campaigns.

[bread_and_roses]

17. The "Business Loves Hillary" corp media never shut her out

They knew they had nothing to fear from her.

Edwards was shut out.

And someone who "devotes her life to children and working folks" doesn't vote for cluster bombs and NAFTA.

[truth please]

21. I am one of those African American voters

who you think only votes for race. I am so sick and tired of having to explain why I vote for Sen. Obama. I am a 53 year old woman that has voted for white people my entire life and white Democrats always. So now when I find the one African American person that I feel is the one I want to vote for I have to somehow feel bad for not wanting to vote for the white person? I was going to vote for Sen. Clinton until right before the Feb. primaries, but I had started to change before then. Not because I think the Clinton's are racist, I do not. I changed because when I heard what this young man had to say I started to believe that things could be different. I felt something I hadn't in a long time, that something was different this time and that I was and could be a part of the Govt. that controlled my life. That together as a country we could make changes that could be for the better. My vote has nothing to do with Sen. Clinton but more to do with Sen. Obama and what kind of man I think he is and I like what I see. Democrats, African American's have always been by your side in every election, please don't alienate us because we have a candidate that appeals not only to us but to the broad stream of Americans that make our party so beautiful.

[jasmine621]

24. Hat's off to you! But I think you missed the point of my OP. nt

[amk]

27. Your point being it was a solicitation call for the SD Edwards, right ?

I am thinking of "Poverty Czar" - an oxymoron, if ever one.

[Why Syzygy]

25. "The people in control"??? And who might that be?

The neo-cons are in control. HRC fits in with that bunch much better than Obama. There goes your therory.

It almost sounds like you would like a river cried for HRC and Edwards. If so, take it from the old timers .. GET A GRIP. This is politics. Not pollyanna goes to DC.

[Bensthename]

28. "The people in control" LMFAO.. Is that how you mentally accept Hillary's defeat?

There may be more to it then that.

McCain is the repub nominee because it was "his time".. Just because Hillary has been in DC for past 25 years doesn't make it "her time".. I'm glad the dem party is a little more forward thinking then the repubes.

Myself, I'm voting for Obama because of his reasoning for not supporting the Iraq war from the beginning and his vision for the future and tons fo other reasons.

The "people in control" have nothing to do with my vote.

Besides "The people in control" love to rip Obama every chance they get. I don't support your theory at all.

[Saturday]

30. The media took us to war.

Why shouldn't they pick our candidates for us?

[JohnnyLib2]

31. Wise words, thanks.

Hang in, because after the convention, a lot of people will ostensibly "make nice" with the also-rans. A helluva lot of votes are involved, to say nothing of Democrats once being known for compassion. Recommended.

[blm]

33. Who was helped most and hurt most by Bill's 2004 highprofile BOOK TOUR when he repeatedly

defended Bush in his numerous interviews from the very criticisms the Dem nominee at the time was leveling against Bush.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

How ODD was that? The last Dem president spending his 3 week book tour defending the GOP president locked in a race against the Dem nominee. When did that EVER happen in our history?

[philk17088]

36. bigger picture

That move by Bill was calculated. there is no way the Clintons could allow John Kerry to be Pres for 8 years and Edwards for 8 years after that. Hillary would be totally obsolete by then.

[monmouth]

34. Such a stupid post and waste of my time reading ......n/t

[dkf]

37. Obama's success hurts Hillary and Edward's?

No way? How can that be? That just doesn't make sense...NOT