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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:34 PM
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What is Obama's excuse for his treatment of the Washington Blade
which endorsed him, and the reporter from the Gay People's Chronicle (Cleveland) who endorsed Kucinich.

http://www.bilerico.com/2008/03/the_story_behind_the_reporting.php

I didn't want to sell out too cheaply, so I set the rules:

No surrogates. I can talk to surrogates any time.

Live interviews only. No written statements or written questions. The Chronicle has policies against publishing anyone's equivalent to an infomercial, and written questions would be researched and answered by communications staff. Even if the candidate approved the final version, it is not really their response.

Although it is extremely rare that I tell a potential interviewee what I want to talk about in advance, I didn't want the candidates to be able to avoid answering questions about the day-old New Jersey report by saying, "I'm not familiar with that." I told both campaigns to make sure the candidates were ready to discuss it.

That was Wednesday. On Thursday, the Obama campaign offered an open letter in lieu of an interview. I told them no. I can't ask a letter questions. Then they suggested written questions, even though I told them earlier that wouldn't be acceptable. Again, I told them no.

By Friday, about the time it would take for them to figure out the New Jersey report contradicts their candidate, the Obama campaign stopped returning my calls. When I was lucky enough to reach press staff, they were very quick to tell me they didn't think they could work an interview into the candidate's schedule.

snip

In my 12 years as a reporter, I have never experienced anything quite like Obama's national communication director Robert Gibbs, either.

I wasn't biting on the crap he tried to feed me, and he got offended.

When I stood there not writing any of it down, Gibbs said to me, "Let me tell you how this works. I talk and you write down what I say."

"I'll write down what you say when you answer the question," I responded, adding that "I'm no campaign's stenographer."

Gibbs actually took the pen and pad out of my hands and wrote his own answer!

He also asked for the Donnie McClurkin letter to be e-mailed to him, claiming he didn't remember what it said. It was. He didn't comment further.

end of quote

We have heard endless excuses for Obama's snubs of gay papers, the latest being the editor had endorsed Hillary. Well here are two examples of people Obama refused to talk to. One endorsed him, the other endorsed neither candiate. I will say I met the reporter I have quoted here. He can be a bit of a pain. But, so what. He also is a reporter in a state with a primary asking legit questions. Obama's spokesman takes the man's pen and writes his own answer? Are you kidding me? Imagine a Clinton spokesman doing this to say a black reporter. I imagine we would have heard all about it by now.

If the excuse for McClurkin is that we have to respect voices we don't agree with, then what is the excuse for this conduct?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:36 PM
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:38 PM
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2. Umm...
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 07:39 PM by NJSecularist
In my 12 years as a reporter, I have never experienced anything quite like Obama's national communication director Robert Gibbs, either.


How many national campaigns has he taken apart of? Is this his first?

He's just ranting because he was denied an interview and he is crying like a little baby. I have news for you buddy, Obama is a busy man. He isn't going to give an interview to anybody. It's nothing against the LGBT community, it's just reality. He's denied interviews to non-LGBT publications before and he will do it again. He has denied interviews to LGBT publications and he will do it again.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:40 PM
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5. That was in reference to the pen thing
and yea, I suspect that would have to be a first.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:45 PM
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14. I note also that no-one wants to credit Obama for advertising in the local gay press.
Supporting the gay community with much needed advertising dollars. Dean did it first in the Advocate, which is a national publication, but Obama is the first to buy ad space in the local and regional gay papers (apparently because he's such a raging homophobe and hate all gay people or something).

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:47 PM
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16. If he won't grant interviews I wouldn't take the ads
and yes, I would apply that to any candidate.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:49 PM
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18. Seems to me that freshman Senator is kicking the annointed candidate's butt.
He must be doing something right or Hillary is doing something wrong that a Barry-come-lately can pull the rug out from under her.
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:21 PM
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65. Who in the fires of hell is Barry?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:53 PM
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81. Barry=Barack (a play on the Johnny-come-lately cliche)
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:22 PM
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86. Ah, my mistake. I thought he preferred the grownup Barack
Barry was his boyhood name. It seems a tad unseemly to speak of him in such familiar terms. He could be my son, yet I couldn't imagine referring to him as Barry. I don't recall JFK being called Johnny, see. Or FDR called Frankie. One learns something every day.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:50 PM
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That's a BS policy.
If this journalist had any sort of patience, and that includes certain others, maybe Obama would grant an interview later. But when some of these journalists from LGBT publications act like little babies who didn't get their way, it reduces their chances of getting an interview.

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:52 PM
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23. He gave them a huge window of time
it wasn't, I want an interview this second. His paper serves well over 50,000 people, nearly all of whom are Democrats. That seems like a paper which should be able to demand an interview.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:56 PM
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29. How long was the window of time?
And sometimes it doesn't matter how long the window of time is, the candidate isn't going to be able to grant an interview to every newspaper that leans Democrat in this country.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:59 PM
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34. It was at least two days
The part I quoted clearly mentions Wed - Friday. And since Friday is when the campaign told him no, presumedly the interview was supposed to be after that.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:58 PM
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31. See reply #1 for the obamite attitude toward GLBT voters.
"So what are you gonna do? Vote Republican?"

We could, of course, stay home, but that never seems to occur to them.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:11 PM
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50. Exactly - and they will have only THEMSELVES to blame for this...
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:18 PM
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59. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Obama has a great deal of support in the GLBT community.
Perhaps not in YOUR particular circle, but up here in the northwest, I don't know any gay people personally who are supporting Obama.

But of course, my state went for Obama both in the primary and caucuses, so we don't really count.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:25 AM
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111. Yes He Does
Saw this last week:

“Sen. Barack Obama waded deep into Clinton territory Thursday evening at a private LGBT fund-raiser in New York City where the price of admission was $2,300 per person.

Held at the apartment of GLSEN founder and executive director Kevin Jennings and his partner, Jeff Davis, the event drew about 125 people and raised $170,000. No press were admitted, but based on several accounts, attendees were struck by the Illinois senator’s candor as well as his fluency with LGBT issues.

“I’ve been to many events over the past 10 years of candidates running for office,” said Corey Johnson, one of the hosts, “This was the most forthright, eloquent, and detailed stuff I’ve heard from a politician .”

Molly Lenore, 43, compared Obama’s discussion of the LGBT community to the speech he gave about race in America last week. “During his race speech, everybody said afterward that he treated the American people like adults, and I felt like that’s what he did,” said Lenore, who is transgender and an Obama supporter. “I might not agree 100%, but I want to have an intelligent conversation with somebody.”

According to those present, Obama spoke for about 30 to 35 minutes about queer issues and then fielded questions, most of which were not LGBT-specific.” Cont.

http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid53048.asp


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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:20 AM
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100. You could, but you'd be fools to do so. (NT)
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:19 AM
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99. 50,000? Oh my! Then he should be placed immediately at the front of the line
behind the broadcast networks, behind the cable networks, behind the LA Times, NY Times, The Washington Post, etc. :eyes:

Get a grip---the cable news networks have to BEG to get uninterrupted time with Obama and you seem to think someone with a subscription list of 50K gets to vault ahead of all of them?????????

I guess if you're looking for a reason to say something negative about Obama, you've succeeded in reaching for it in order to do so.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:08 PM
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46. That's Not Supporting the Gay Community - That's Exploiting It
Dean never had a problem being seen talking with gay press, IIRC.

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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:20 PM
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63. Uh-huh. We'll just pretend Obama never attending the HRC thing or gave the Advocate interview...
....or stood up in front of the church and chided the black community for homophobia.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:07 AM
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105. The Advocate Interview Was Damage Control for a Single Topic
Donniegate. Nothing else - in four years.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:39 PM
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3. The PGN case is more than just that Segal endorsed Clinton
And I have a hard time believing that people are going to support Segal and his newspaper, which has vilified ACT-UP, Queer Nation, and has done an atrocious job on issues relating to LGBT of color and lesbians.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:40 PM
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4. I don't know
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 07:41 PM by SunsetDreams
why don't we ask Rumorvill and Speculationvill, or how about Assumevill? What about NomatterwhatobamadoesIblamehimvill?

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:41 PM
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6. I demand a personal, live, unscripted interview with Barack Obama!
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 07:41 PM by MercutioATC
What? He won't interrupt his schedule to meet my demands?

Obama must answer for snubbing me!!
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:42 PM
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7. Well, if he's snubbing you, he must hate unions.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:43 PM
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11. Exactly! And I'm WHITE!!!
See, Obama really DOES hate white people!
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:42 PM
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10. Somehow Hillary managed this
and his reasons for demanding a live interview were valid. I suspect that, say the Star Beacon, which serves a very small town, got such an interview.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:50 PM
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20. So Clinton had a different schedule...is that any surprise?
:shrug:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:54 PM
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24. but his schedule seems to never include time
for interviews in gay publications. At some point, one gets suspicious.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:56 PM
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27. There does seem to be a pattern here. n/t
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:06 PM
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40. One that is only barely different from Clinton.
Of course, Obama doesn't have DADT, DOMA, and the refusal to revoke DOMA completely hanging over him.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:08 PM
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45. that is totally dishonest
In a thread you posted, I have posted 4 interviews I know full well she did, so far, no answer at all from you.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:11 PM
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49. Ooo....and Obama only did 2. He's twice as much a bigot then, right?
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:12 PM
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53. Hey, how many interviews do ya think Grampa McCrazyfuck has done?
More than Obama? :think:

I hate this. So. Fucking. Much. It. Hurts.

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:13 PM
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54. that is four I found without a google search
I also think she gave interviews to several Texas gay newspapers, Boston's, and several California ones.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:15 PM
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58. You don't know what you're fucking talking about regarding DADT and DOMA...
go do some research and then get back to us...

The Clintons are the BEST FRIENDS the GBLT community has ever had.

PERIOD...
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:22 PM
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66. With friends like the Clintons, can I expect to be branded with a pink triangle soon?
We've been to this particular rodeo before and your cheap rationalizations for why Clinton had to blithely toss the gay community under the bus time and again aren't go fly in this round either.
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:35 AM
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98. Laughable.
So is it your position that DADT and DOMA were NOT Clinton administration policies?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:04 PM
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38. It doesn't?
Obama, Clinton Go Gay For Debate
http://www.queerty.com/obama-clinton-go-gay-for-debate-20070710/

In post-forum conference, Obama prioritizes LGBT equality
http://www.interstateq.com/archives/2260/

Obama explains to Advocate why he is the best candidate for LGBT Americans
www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid50021.asp

Senator Barack Obama, a 2008 presidential candidate, recently granted an exclusive interview with PULSE, a magazine produced by Gay Men of African Descent (GMAD), a New York-based social service and advocacy agency.
http://adhc.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/obama-in-exclusive... /

Barack Obama's Campaign Names His Gay/Lesbian Supporters
http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2007/04/barack_o...

Obama LGBT
http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

Open Letter from Barack Obama to the LGBT Community
http://www.bilerico.com/2008/02/open_letter_from_barack..
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:07 PM
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42. Only two of those are interviews
and one of those has been repeatedly acknowledged here. I will admit, I didn't know about the other until today.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:14 PM
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56. And Obama also sponsored an anti-discrimination law in Illinois for gays and TG.
And according to the local gay press in Illinois, he was VERY accessible during his legislative period in the state.

I know you want to believe the worst of him, but put bluntly, Obama doesn't have the name recognition that Clinton has enjoyed for the last 15 years or so and that means he has to choose different outlets to get face time.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:20 PM
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64. That is absurd
This would have been 15 minutes at most and would have reached several thousand, reliably Democratic votes in an important state.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:40 PM
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76. If you are asking me to give you insight into Obama's reasons, I can't do that.
I don't work for his campaign.

But I am fucking sick and tired of seeing someone standing up TIME AND TIME AGAIN, not in front of the CHOIR that is the gay community, but in front of the vast majority of people and telling them he supports equality for gays and finds homophobia abhorrent, being painted as a bigot based on bullshit reasons.

Enough already. We get it. He bruised some people's feeling with the McClurkin thing. Hell, I was livid with him over that, but when I stepped back and looked at the big picture and HIS viewpoints, I realized that he is the better candidate in his own viewpoints and his positions and willingness to speak up in favor of equality for gays and lesbians. That simple fact he even bothered to mention the 1200 federal statutes that are withheld from gay people is more than we have heard from the other major candidates.

We GAVE the Clintons a chance and they failed us on a national level. Do I think that the Clintons are bigot? Hell no! Do I think they will bail on us when push comes to shove? Hell yes, because they have a proven track record of folding on us.

It's time to stop this bullshit and you can choose to wallow in your bruised feelings or take the man at his word and quit the nitpicking over some local publication that probably gets picked up mostly because the personal ads in the back with "Straight Acting GWM looking for same for fun, companionship, and whatever" and looking for insult where none is intended either by action or inaction.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:48 PM
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80. what you said. times ten.
That's EXACTLY how I feel. And this whole thing is tearing me up inside. One of the biggest reasons I've stayed on DU so long is because of the other lesbian and gay peeps I've met here. We are an amazing group of people. The fact that I disagree with the majority of them on Obama right now hurts. It physically hurts. This petty crap has to stop. And it is PETTY.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:14 PM
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55. while at the same time he dose seem to GO OUT OF HIS WAY to seek out HOMOPHOBES
to appear in front of and to have HEADLINE HIS CAMPAIGN EVENTS - REPEATEDLY...

nice PATTERN developing there...
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:12 PM
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nice try - you're a SINGLE idiot - that's a PAPER that reaches an entire COMMUNITY...
but good luck with that analogy thing - I suggest you go back to school and PAY ATTENTION this time around...
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:44 PM
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79. Pshaw! The entire community? Come now TLV.
We have a fairly well circulated gay press in my town too. Last time I picked up a copy? About 15 years ago.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:13 PM
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91. In the scheme of an entire nation, how are that one paper and I different?
You understood the analogy...we just differ on perceived relative importance.


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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:18 PM
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61. That is my reaction as well
What an ass.

:thumbsdown:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:42 PM
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8. Actually it says he was getting these interviews on behalf of the Gay People's Chronicle
Besides that Gibbs sounds like an asshole though.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:43 PM
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12. I will grant he can be a bit of a pain
I was a Dean supporter in 04 when he was, as he is now, supporting Kucinich.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:24 PM
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68. Since you know the reporter...
can you explain it for the rest of us? I'm interested in this issue, but I'm not sure what you're getting at. Is the guy known for writing biased articles, or just a big egotist or what?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:30 PM
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72. He has an ego
I don't think his writing has ever been a problem.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:23 AM
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101. Obviously someone has an ego
and it got very bruised when they weren't granted unlimited access and time to the candidate. I find the claim someone else made here that this paper serves the "entire gay community" to be laughable at best. With a 50K circulation, that's the entire gay community?
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:42 PM
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9. On The Campaign Trail
"My editor says we couldn't speculate in the article as to why the Obama campaign got cold, but reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions."

"Would Gibbs treat a New York Times reporter this way? How about a Cleveland Plain Dealer reporter?"

:popcorn:
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:44 PM
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13. BREAKING: Obama refuses interview with reporter nobody's ever heard of!
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:45 PM
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15. gay people in Cleveland have heard of him
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:50 PM
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19. they have? all of them?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:54 PM
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26. anyone who has read that paper has
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:50 PM
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21. Gay people don't matter
they are non people. They are not on "our time"?

Is that what you are saying?

I have not heard of this reporter. But I would like the questions answered nevertheless.
I expect better of anyone running for president.
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:54 PM
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25. Yes that's exactly what I'm saying.
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 08:16 PM by DarienComp
And as a gay man, i also consider myself to be a non-person.

:sarcasm:

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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #25
84. Homophobia runs deep and universal.
Just as sexism and racism does.

We all swim in that poisonous societal stew.
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:35 PM
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88. So because I was snarky about a gay journalist I'm a self-hating gay?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:38 PM
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89. Count me in that group too for every time I called Andrew Sullivan a douchebag...
BTW, even though Sullivan and I are backing the same candidate, Sullivan is a douchebag.
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:48 PM
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90. Poor Andrew.
I appreciated his mea-culpa of sorts on the Iraq War, and I will confess to reading his blog. Still, every now and then he'll post something that just makes me roll my eyes and think "What an idiot!"
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:31 AM
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96. You may be
I don't know.
It is not what I meant specifically.
Although I meant what I said. Being gay does not absolve you from homophobia or heterosexism.
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:03 AM
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97. And therefore, you feel totally comfortable making a baseless assumption about my motives.
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 06:07 AM by DarienComp
And that's exactly what you did, at least initially.


Gay people don't matter

they are non people. They are not on "our time"?

Is that what you are saying?


(edited to add the quote)
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:07 PM
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113. It was a question
...based on my reading of your message.

Just as you have now written a question based on mine.

Yours seemed to me to suggest that a question from a reporter had no significance because he was unknown.

Maybe I misread you. But that is what occurred to me when I read your post. Making an assumption about your "motives" was based on your words. And we are all heterosexist - that's without question.

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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #13
22. I don't live in Cleveland and I've heard of him...
but I guess I'm just an uppity whining queer so I'm nobody.
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:56 PM
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28. see post 37... and don't assume we all think alike.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:49 PM
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17. On a related note, why does Ichiro continue to ignore my son!
It's weird. Last year my son went from practically a nobody to a little-league all-star!

Why does Ichiro continue to pretend like he doesn't exist!
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:09 PM
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47. Belittling
valid concerns of core democratic voters does not help promote your candidate.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:18 PM
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62. Concerns=valid. Unkown reporter expecting private interview=fantasy
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:36 PM
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74. it's called a pattern
as you know, I don't think Obama hates gay people, and I plan on voting for him should he win the nomination.

But, I think he needs to have a little pressure put on him for doing this cynical balancing act he's been doing for months.

He needs to be called on it, so that he gets quite clearly that if he wins the Presidency he has to act with courage.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:44 PM
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78. Obama is beholding to the Progressive Wing of the Dem party. I think the polls bear that out.
GLBT rights ARE high on our list of expectations. Always have been. I think your post is the most reasonablw statement I have heard recently and I do not disagree with the idea of applying pressure.

However, why do you selectively ignore what Obama has stated about GLBT rights.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20080331_Phila__s_gay_Democrats_emerge_as_a_voting_force.html
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Gay City News Endorsement

January 31, 2008

In a presidential inaugural address that inspired a teenager from Hope, Arkansas named Bill Clinton, John F. Kennedy famously urged Americans to focus not on what the country could do for them, but on what contributions they could make to the nation.

Mind you, we in the LGBT community are not yet nearly at the point where this nation has made good on the contributions it owes to our lives, our families, our well-being, even our equal citizenship. Faced with the choice of two progressive Democrats who have spoken at length and with conviction about the challenges facing our lives, we still don’t have the luxury of picking a candidate who will advocate for our right to marry. We must yet take it on faith that the next president will have the fortitude to insist that Congress—including too many stragglers within the Democratic Party—open up the nation’s military to out gay and lesbian patriots. It is far from certain that the next time the Democratic Congress takes up an employment nondiscrimination measure it will include transgendered Americans as well as gay men and lesbians among those protected.

But after seven years of George W. Bush, and compared against the prospect of either John McCain or Mitt Romney, Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama truly offer hope to LGBT Americans that help is on the way.

Given that the two Democratic contenders share a similar, generally friendly and supportive posture toward LGBT Americans, we ought to think about the message our choice sends about a fundamental question—what our politics should be all about. We are finding our place here and there at the table, but we have also spent much of our life on the outside. The nation needs to hear our views on how American politics can accommodate new voices in the mix.

Judged by that measure and taking full stock of how the Democratic nomination contest has unfolded, we believe the choice is clear.

Gay City New endorses Barack Obama.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:57 PM
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30. ATTN: Obama Staffers who read DU
WILL YOU PLEASE TELL BARACK OBAMA TO SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH SOMEONE IN THE GAY PRESS (ANYONE) SO WE CAN STOP THIS BULLSHIT ALREADY?

I WANT A CANDIDATE. NOW.

YOU'RE AHEAD OVER 20% IN NORTH CAROLINA.

IT'S OVER.

LETS DO THIS THING ALREADY.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:59 PM
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33. But then he might get homocooties! n/t
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:01 PM
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36. I don't think that's it. He's been busy kicking Hillary's ass.
Now that it is properly kicked, he needs to fix this so we can all shut the fuck up and focus on Grampa McCrazyfucker.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. He already has
He gave an interview to the Advocate. The only people complaining are small, unprofessional local reporters like this guy.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:07 PM
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43. Well, apparently it wasn't recent enough to suffice
So he needs to sit down AGAIN with someone so that we can move the motherfuck on!

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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:12 PM
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52. It'll never suffice with them
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 08:13 PM by maximusveritas
Most of them have political axes to grind. They support Hillary and/or hate Obama so they'll whine unless they get an interview that meets their exact qualifications.

Obama doesn't have the time to waste worrying about them. His record is out there and clear for anyone who bothers to spend the time looking. He's stronger on gay issues, when you actually look at the issues, instead of peripheral BS like this. That's the only message he and his supporters need to focus on.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #52
67. "them"... "they"? Who? The gays?
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. Yes. Me. We. Us. The gays.
I have sense enough to read the writing on the wall. This goddamned primary is over. We need to recognize that and move the fuck on.

And for Fuck's sake, Barack Obama needs to sit down every fucking week with someone from the gay press from now until the general. Will THAT be good enough?
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:33 PM
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73. Then some people from the Latino press will get angry
because he's not meeting with them every week. And so on.

So no, it won't ever be good enough.

If this primary was truly over, then he might have time to do all that. But it's not. Not as long as Hillary is in the race and her minions continue attacking him.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #67
70. Local reporters like the guy in the OP
The ones complaining about not getting interviews with Obama.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #67
103. Yes, those damn ungrateful little nellies who won't be satisfied
with their "basic set of rights."
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:07 PM
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41. He did. Dwickham had some threads but I didn't bookmark them
Can you search on Dwickham's threads? Sorry, I can't see if you have a star while I'm writing.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:09 PM
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48. Well, apparently it wasn't recent enough to suffice
He needs to do it again. :eyes:

I'm so frustrated with certain people.........
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:58 PM
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32. "Let me tell you how this works. I talk and you write down what I say."
They must expect this now.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:00 PM
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35. Apparently people get used to worship pretty quickly. n/t
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:04 PM
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37. The Washington Blade endorsed Obama? What?
That's news to me. I could have sworn they endorsed Hillary.

And please tell me how any reporter worth his salt endorses a candidate. I like Kucinich, but the fact that this guy endorsed him and the unprofessional way he handled himself makes me happy Obama didn't give him what he wanted.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:08 PM
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44. Wow - he's sounding more and more like bush* every day...
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Duder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:11 PM
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51. I don't know the reason for the snub but...
I was just reading this RW article about Obama wanting to be America's first gay president.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KevinMcCullough/2008/03/02/obama_americas_first_gay_president

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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:15 PM
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57. Hillary can't get away away with that shit! Oh it's Obama...
well lets see, his toady said "Let me tell you how this works...."

Not Obama people! That can't be! Get the Obama Lexicon so we can dissasemble this because we all know that this is OUR mistake. It's ALWAYS somebody else that does not understand or does not comphrehend the actions of the Obamites.

"Hi I'm the Obama campaign stenographer, can I help you?"

Sounds like someone ran into someone tired of hearing the same old shit.

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Noirceuil Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:18 PM
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60. Finally, a reporter who won't drink the Kool-Aid....
I love this part of the article:

When I stood there not writing any of it down, Gibbs said to me, "Let me tell you how this works. I talk and you write down what I say."
"I'll write down what you say when you answer the question," I responded, adding that "I'm no campaign's stenographer."

Keith Olbermann and the rest of the crew at MSNBC could learn a lot from this guy who refused to compromise his integrity and join the Obama cult.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #60
71. Just imagine if anyone in Clinton's campaign
had done that - to ANYONE.

The outrage here would be level 9.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:41 PM
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77. Cough....AIR AMERICA....Cough.
Seems like the Clintons don't want to go on the radio when they can't control the message.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:15 PM
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83. I thought Air America was run by a Clinton partisan
oh and she did go on Stephanie Miller's show (which runs on my Air America affilate).
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:20 PM
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85. Um...no she didn't. She stood Stephanie up and Stephanie isn't AAR anyway.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:00 AM
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92. I'm talking about
if a Clinton surrogate grabbed a pen from a reporter's hand and wrote down an answer in the arrogant, angry way reported in the article.

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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:36 PM
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75. This is SUCH a non-issue
Coast to Coast radio program reached TWO to FOUR MILLION people per night, and the only candidate that has agreed to be interviewed was Ron Paul.

If candidates agreed to be interviewed for every 50,000 subscriber publication, they wouldn't be doing anything else in their campaigns.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:02 PM
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82. IOKIYBO nt
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:24 PM
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87. Odd for someone alleging to have be a messianic uniter...
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:30 AM
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93. arrogance
the Obama two step, like his votes in IL he wants to be seen as being on both sides of any politically charged issue. If you demand him to answer questions on the record...silence is all you will get.

He has no backbone, no core. He is merely a political animal.


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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:38 AM
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94. What gay got to do with it?


Sounds to me like he snubbed a reporter who was being a jerk and refused a clearly hostile interview.


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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:42 AM
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95. We get it already .. Obama is a homophobe ..Vote McCain…He is GLBT friendly
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:14 AM
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106. self-delete
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 09:14 AM by QC
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:16 AM
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107. Yes, dear. Anyone who doesn't share your enthusiasm for your idol is really a Republican.
Just keep condescending to them and mocking them and they will see things your way!
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:18 AM
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108. What are you?!! Her/ His Lawyer?!!!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:18 PM
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112. No, just someone who is tired of seeing DU turned into a toilet. n/t
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