The more people tell me that HE is the one, the more I don't accept it.

[Neshanic]

I guess it's the blatant racist in me, but when you have more and more people telling you that a certain person is the cure for all that ails us, the farther I recoil. Maybe there are others like me that refuse to Jones Town themselves in a parody of a campaign by both candidates. The only thing that I know that I feel on a gut level is that Obama is not genuine, is a pandering tool, willing to use passive-aggresive behavior to his own ends, and through back channels makes sure that the racism card is tagged ever so gently on anyone that dares point out that he is not the one that will win us the White House. Not that Clinton will either, but I don't have the gut feelings that I have with her that I have with him.

He is the epitome of the cardboard parody of a candidate. Shallow, and demanding nothing but listening to his unremarkable speeches of candyland and paradise, you listen with glazed eyes to the promises of a Chicago hack politician; one that can't keep his friends and their propery boundaries straight.

That's why when the first debate occurs and McCain shows up, don't expect the Nixon Kennedy replay, because it will be someone that actually has his feet on the ground compared to a balloon needing tethering to the ground. The slighest breeze will send Obama to the side of the stage.

It's our loss. The Obamites have savaged the past unrecognizable, and the fantasy island is still taking on more.

This place is not the real world. DU is "allegedly" poulated by intelligent people, hence our Obama skew according to another poster, the stupid Hillary people don't have the brains to find the electrical cord for that computer thing. From people, to institutions, to the Clinton presidency, which was a masterpiece compared to the crap comparisons to (unbelievably) Carter, Joe Wilson, his wife, all are thrown on the bookburning fire to warm the little hands of the Obamites. Dance and sing, because the party is coming to a close, and by party I mean your tragically hip retro-wet dream of reliving the 1968 Democratic Convention riots. So sad, as you will not be able to blog from the street as you are 50 blocks away behind a fence with a Port-a-John. Your romaniticism of the past and what made up mid century American will only be able to be relived through your purchases at Design Within Reach.

What a tragic situation of complete fucked-upedness. Every generation gets the dissapointment they deserve, here is to yours.

[babylonsister]

1. DU isn't the real world. You're right-this is:

and this, and so many more!

[rug]

12. So is this.

It's a fickle measure.

[babylonsister]

14. Not even close. No comparison to this candidate vs. that 'thing'. nt

[Jed Dilligan]

38. Also compare the crowds

Normal Americans vs. inbred devolved grinning mutant redneck zombies.

(Apologies to any trolls here who are in that picture.)

[rug]

61. "inbred devolved grinning mutant redneck zombies". Yup, you're tuned into the real world.

[Jed Dilligan]

63. Sorry if your world is populated by thick-necked morons like that,

mine isn't. Maybe we should have separate countries.

[rug]

64. It's your description and your world, chum. Enjoy your zombie battles.

[Jed Dilligan]

68. You're a waste of... everything. Enjoy your candidate's untergang.

[kenfrequed]

123. Ah once more

The Obama vs Hilary crowd again rises to the intellectual level I fully expected.

All the good, solid, issue-based democratic candidates have dropped out. Thank you again Mainstream media for telling (selling) us these two fine photogenic story-cycle candidates.

Sadly, I suppose I will oblige the machine its mendacious, maniacal, monstrous and malignant melodrama and vote for one or the other of these two tepid tools.

[JoFerret]

103. Nonsense.

.

[Cronus Protagonist]

47. Pictures of Hitler can't be far away now

:P

[rug]

59. No, but here's Kerry and Bill, for those who count on crowds.

[FrenchieCat]

92. That's a General election crowd.....not the same thing.

Here, try this one on for size....and find me a primary crowd to rival this....

[Aussie leftie]

73. Actually, a picture of Hitler talking to an adoring crowd

has been shown on GDP but it was deleted almost immediately.

[JoFerret]

105. Too bad

(Well depends on the use of and the context of course)
But crowd frenzy, in and of itself, is not always a healthy thing.

[Aussie leftie]

125. Before I get shouted down as a racist, or that I am daring to compare Obama to Hitler

the truth of the matter is that in the 1930's a man came along and promised the people a dream and they responded adoringly. That is where I end the comparison. If by writing this, I am accused of being either racist or I'm calling Obama "Hitler" then I fear that the Obama police are going overboard with political correctness. If Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro are accused of racism then god help the rest of you.

[JoFerret]

129. A little perspective

goes a long way.

[Neshanic]

Kerry has this thing WRAPPED up! Remember that? Oh no..the past!

Like Garlic to a Vampire, the past to Obamites.

[roseBudd]

112. Kerry has no charisma, Obama does, apples & oranges

[sandnsea]

2. Look, she lied about running under sniper fire

If Bush had said something like that, we'd have never heard the end of it. Don't tell me Obama is the tragedy in this election.

[emilyg]

9. And he lied about Selma.

[DemVet]

18. How dare you...

...accuse Obama of lying, particularly when it's the truth. Truth has no place in an Obama World. Just warm and fuzzy cheerleading phrases.

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[DemVet]

32. Another one with poor debating skills I see.

[sandnsea]

22. See post #21

The Selma garbage is another Clinton Campaign lie. So how long are you going to continue with your "warm and fuzzy cheerleading" of a blatant pathological liar???

[saracat]

98. Are you kidding? The Selma comment is NOT a lie.It is exactly what Barack said.

"This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama."
Barack was born 5 years BEFORE Selma.That is a fact.

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[sandnsea]

20. No, that's another sick and twisted Hillary Lie

Here's the entire three paragraphs, what he was referring to is crystal clear. He made a mistake about the Kennedy timing, probably a family mistake, the timing was so close. But there's no out and out fantasizing here. It's just sick to say there is.

"Yet something happened back here in Selma, Alabama. Something happened in Birmingham that sent out what Bobby Kennedy called, “Ripples of hope all around the world.” Something happened when a bunch of women decided they were going to walk instead of ride the bus after a long day of doing somebody else's laundry, looking after somebody else's children. When men who had PhD’s decided that's enough and we’re going to stand up for our dignity. That sent a shout across oceans so that my grandfather began to imagine something different for his son. His son, who grew up herding goats in a small village in Africa could suddenly set his sights a little higher and believe that maybe a black man in this world had a chance.

What happened in Selma, Alabama and Birmingham also stirred the conscience of the nation. It worried folks in the White House who said, “You know, we're battling Communism. How are we going to win hearts and minds all across the world? If right here in our own country, John, we're not observing the ideals set fort in our Constitution, we might be accused of being hypocrites.” So the Kennedy’s decided we're going to do an air lift. We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.

This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama."

[DemVet]

34. And it's clear he meant...

...to convey the thought that he "happened" because of Selma. Read it until you get it correct.

[sandnsea]

52. No, because of the civil rights movement

read the entire 3 paragraphs, not one sentence.

[JoFerret]

130. Ghastly prose

But then - it was a speech and it may have sounded just fine.

(BO is a good writer judging by the one book of his I read.)

[PoliticalAmazon]

127. Bullshit. A family story that he got second-hand is different from ...

...something that Hillary witnessed herself.

And what about Chelsea "Little Hillary" Clinton? She sat there and watched her mother lie to the world, and said NOTHING.

I would be that at least 50% of the family stories I was told aren't accurate in one way or another. But I can't really go vet them when most of them happened before I was born, and certainly before I got old enough to really care about family stoies.

[Ronnie]

46. I remember you. You were one of the ones that stood out when I

first started reading this site. You were hating the Clintons in the 2004 election. Probably before that. You accused them of all kinds of underhanded stuff. Kind of pathetic, actually.

[sandnsea]

56. When Bill gave Bush a pass on the yellowcake

I got pissed. Other than that, I defended the Clintons' policies all the time, even the ones that I knew had some pretty horrific consequences, like welfare reform. I've never accused them of any underhanded stuff. I didn't even give the fundraising stuff a lot of credit, until I saw they were still at it with Hsu. No, it's their behavior in THIS campaign that has really made me see them clearly. Sorry you still don't.

[BOSSHOG]

3. But as one lady in Pennsylvania told NPR

he looks good in a suit.

[Arugula Latte]

4. Uh, yeah, the Cult Meme hasn't worked for you guys so far.

I guess it's all you have left, though. I see lots of Hillary supporters desperately grasping onto that little gem once again...How charming.

[C_U_L8R]

5. The first sentence is your problem

and the rest are all symptoms. Obviously it's causing you anguish.
Pick someone else and save yourself an ulcer.

[dpbrown]

6. Well said

Shallow apparently wins the day.

[izzybeans]

7. Where is fantasy island? Sounds like you had a blast.

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. 'Not genuine'; 'pandering'; 'passive-aggressive'...

nice summation of Hillary's campaign, too. Oh, and let's not forget her playing the gender card when it suits her ('the boys are ganging up on me!')

Pardon me while I laugh. Your preference for a particular candidate seems to have blinded you to the fact that she has very real flaws, and is that almost everything you say applies to her.

[The_Casual_Observer]

10. You got that right.

However, you'll bring out the full complement of nitwits from the peanut gallery.

[AX10]

11. K & R!

Obamamania cannot last.

[islandmkl]

16. Clintopia went away beginning in 1994...

do you, do any of us, prefer McCainland?

[Auntie Bush]

90. Even if it unfortunately does last...It won't shortly after he gets

started compromising away out issues. He'll smell like a spoiled oyster.

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[undeterred]

17. What you see is in your head, not out there in reality,

Maybe you are the one who is screwed up.

[Neshanic]

23. Thanks Sigmund, and the other offering professional help.

You will be the ones needing therapy when he loses.

[undeterred]

40. He's already won. And I don't know anyone who fits the stereotype.

[JanusAscending]

93. OH BOY!!

They are "dropping like flies" around here tonight!!

[AX10]

24. Before you make these kinds of comments

see this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5388589

[undeterred]

37. Go chasten someone else

I've taken enough shit from people on this board today.

[Pisces]

25. I'm not telling you He is the one, just that She absolutely isn't the answer.

[TK421]

26. You and I are of the same mind-set, I suspect...

you've put into words your suspicions of this man that I couldn't do in the past....everything you have posted...right on. :thumbsup: and it's a shame more people here are not going to see what you wrote and actually think about it...but just react to it; that is what they do here..react to a post before actually thinking about it in a constructive manner. I understood everything you wrote, and it all makes sense, but understand you will never get your point across to most people here..just read the following posts!

[JoFerret]

27. Thank you for this heartfelt post

It will lead you to be dumped on from great heights but I think you speak from a deep and sincere place.

Your frustration and pain are real and justified. And shared.



The best chance for generations...

[1776Forever]

28. When Obama says "We are the ones we have been waiting for" he didn't mean he alone will do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYKJ6CqcvSk

Nothing I say will change a cynic like you, but I must say this to you - It is not just Obama - it is us - the citizens of the United States. The success or failure of the future is not going to lie on just Barack's shoulders! It is going to be carried by all of us. We who believe that there is hope. We that know that their have been others who have sacrificed much for the enrichment of all.

Being around cynics like you has been something that I have devoted all my life to avoid. If you choose not to believe it is your right. But if you choose to be part of the solution and not part of the problem we would welcome you into those who will be out there trying to change our country for our children and their children. Yes, for the world.

Now in some of the darkest times in our history we need someone like Barack Obama. If you have never really looked at his body of work I suggest you take a look at his Senate site.

http://obama.senate.gov/

There you will find what he has devoted his time trying to change:

Tax Reform

Our federal tax code has become increasingly complex and unfair. Tax rates should be as low as we can afford them to be; and everyone should pay their fair share. Reform options should focus on creating a system that is simple, progressive, easy to comply with and devoid of abusive shelters. When examining reform options, Senator Obama believes that we should ensure any changes to the tax code reflect the needs and everyday worries facing ordinary Americans, while also promoting America’s competitiveness in the world economy.

Good Government, Responsible Spending

Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act Senator Obama worked closely with Senator Coburn, to draft and ultimately pass the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act. President Bush signed this measure into law in September of 2006. This important bill will...

Energy

Senator Obama believes that America must commit to a new national energy policy focused on improvements in technology, investments in renewable fuels such as wind and solar power, and greater efforts in conservation, efficiency, and waste reduction. Shifting from our current investment and consumption practices to this new direction will be one of the great leadership challenges in the coming decade.

Iraq

In October 2002, before being elected to the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama made a speech opposing the Bush Administration's plan to go to war in Iraq because he felt it was an ill-conceived venture which would "require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undermined cost, with undetermined consequences." To set a new course for U.S. policy that can bring a responsible end to the war, Senator Obama introduced the Iraq War De-escalation Act in January 2007. He opposes funding for the war in Iraq that does not immediately begin the responsible removal of our troops from Iraq, with a clear timeline and end-date for this drawdown.

Foreign Policy

As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Senator Obama has fought to strengthen America's position in the world by reaching across the aisle in an effort to prevent nuclear terrorism and weapons proliferation, stop the genocide in Darfur, and reduce global poverty.

Defense

With the nation facing unprecedented threats, it is essential that our military continues to be the best in the world. The Pentagon must adapt to face 21st century threats such as global terrorists and loose nuclear weapons in the former Soviet states. Senator Obama is working to ensure that the nation's defense capabilities are strong, agile, and prepared and that our troops are provided with the equipment they need.

Seniors

As we transition to an increasingly global economy, many Americans are at risk of being left behind through no fault of their own. Among those most affected by these changes are senior citizens, many of whom are on fixed incomes. We need to modernize our social safety net to help senior citizens meet these new challenges, but we also must preserve those elements, such as Social Security and Medicare, that have enabled us to fulfill our moral commitment to our parents and grandparents.

Crime

Senator Obama is a strong proponent of tougher measures to fight crime and provide more resources to local law enforcement officers. He is particularly concerned about the growing problem of methamphetamine, which is ravaging many communities in Illinois.

Environment

As a member of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee in the 109th Congress, Senator Obama worked to ensure our nation's environmental laws and policies balance America's needs for a healthy, sustainable environment with economic growth. He will continue to push for sound environmental policies with his colleagues in the 110th Congress.

Homeland Security

Senator Obama believes that greater attention needs to be paid to the nation’s homeland security. To that end, he has supported efforts to distribute more funds to cities like Chicago most at risk of a terrorist attack. He has also introduced legislation to strengthen chemical plant and drinking water security and to enhance disaster preparedness.

Immigration

Senator Obama shares the growing public concern about undocumented immigration in the United States. The challenge facing President Bush and Congress is how to effectively stop the flow of undocumented immigrants across our borders, better manage immigration flows going forward, and deal with undocumented immigrants who are already living and working in this country.

Education

As a member of the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (HELP) Committee, Senator Obama is committed to providing every American with the opportunity to receive a quality education from pre-kindergarten to college or vocational school to job retraining programs.

Health Care

Promoting affordable, accessible, and high-quality health care was a priority for Barack Obama in the Illinois State Senate and is a priority for him in the United States Senate. He believes firmly that health care should be a right for everyone, not a privilege for the few.
Veterans

As a member of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama is committed to helping the heroes who defend our nation today and the veterans who fought in years past.

Ethics and Lobbying Reform

Throughout his political career, Barack Obama has fought for open and honest government. As an Illinois State Senator, he helped pass the state’s first major ethics reform bill in 25 years. And as a U.S. Senator, he has spearheaded the effort to clean up Washington in the wake of numerous scandals.

..............

If this is what is in store for us then I applaud it and welcome it with open arms!


:applause:

[Bensthename]

29. A losing battle got you in Fight or Flight mode today?

Besides Neo was the one.

[grace0418]

30. Sigh... self-delete.

There's no point in arguing. Believe what you want. I will clean out my ignore list when the primaries are over. Or not.

[mmonk]

31. I have a feeling SHE is not the ONE.

I don't feel Hillary is genuine. She is a cardboard parody of a candidate. She has no substance and I look into the hyponotic glazed over eyes of her supporters and wonder what they are thinking as she dazzles them with Bosnian war stories of sniper fire.

See, I can post worthless and nasty garbage just like you. Wouldn't you rather discuss issues?

[JVS]

33. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh. Look. He's getting the nomination, fall in line when the time comes.

[nichomachus]

35. GONG! (but thanks for playing)

when you have more and more people telling you that a certain person is the cure for all that ails us,

I've never heard anyone say that -- so you're full of shit coming out of the chute. Sorry. Couldn't read past that crap.
But feel free to try again.

[JVS]

39. Yeah, I couldn't either.

I consider it manifestly unfair that HRC fans claim that Obama is supposed to be some kind of messiah, and we have to justify that, while her supporters need only demonstrate that she's better than McCain.

[hfojvt]

49. I read past that

but it did not get any better, and yeah that was a ridiculous beginning.

[Bigleaf]

36. Don't worry. It's just a stage called 'denial'. You'll get over it. You're not alone.

[Skittles]

44. JAYSUS YOU SOUND LIKE A FUCKING CULT

I MEAN, REALLY, YOU DO

[GarbagemanLB]

45. The more you fight it, the hard it will be when the time comes...

[Skittles]

70. LOL

me, I do not goose-step to *ANYONE*. THEY ARE ALL POLITICANS no matter how much a saint people want to make 'em out to be.

[GarbagemanLB]

78. Why do you laugh? This is no joke. I hope you find it in your heart to open up and see the light...

[Marrah_G]

115. Seek help... no seriously, seek professional help.

[Seabiscuit]

97. Translation: "Obey. Resistance Is Futile."

[AZBlue]

41. This is a sad post. I genuinely hate to see anyone living with so much hate and fear and

without any optimism, confidence or trust. I sincerely hope that changes for you soon, regardless of what candidate you support.

[Taxmyth]

96. He's probably an American

nt

[WillyT]

42. Well Then, I Guess... "A Man's Got To Know His Limitations"

:shrug:

[DB1]

43. In the old days they would only let people use a crayon to write like this.

[AtomicKitten]

106. or

their own feces ...

[Kokonoe]

48. Its simple. You don't like him because he beat Hillary.

What your feeling is no different than a Lakers fan losing to Detroit.

You don't have to like him, But were all on the same team.

[ecstatic]

50. Cool. You're a rebel. The anti-lamb!! (yawn)

[mopinko]

51. chicago hack politician- have you ever even been here?

are you aware of the fact that al capone is dead?
guess what? we run a pretty clean city these days. we have a strong local economy, a strong progressive political scene, a strong green movement, supported by a mayor that was elected to a 5th term with a 70% majority.
please take your outdated ideas about chicago politics, and, well, because right now i speak for obama, i will just say, re-examine them. you are very, very wrong about chicago politics these days. i am pretty tired of people who constantly slander THE bluest city in the country (imho) on a democratic message board.
progressive politicians on the local and state levels have ridden the bus to every state that is less that a half day drive to work for barack. weekend after weekend. we do not think he is a hack. we know him. we believe in him.

[Neshanic]

53. Oh please, half of Illinois lives in Phoenix.....The stories they tell.

[mopinko]

85. stories of shit that happened under that last mayor daley, prolly.

since they are gone, that sorta means they don't know what is happening NOW, which would sorta be my point. and the people that leave would sorta have a biased point of view, eh?
really, the many, many folks on here that are chicagoans are getting really sick of DEMOCRATS who mean it as a slur to say that he is from chicago. really, you are talking about the heart of blue-dom. knock it off. please.

[jillan]

54. This is for you -

:toast:

[EFerrari]

55. I hope you figure out what to do with all that hatred. n/t

[smalll]

57. Take a K and an R --

:applause:

And I'm proud to be a Hillarite,
Another Dem for Hillary -
And I won't get caught in the O-man's hype,
or his froth and frippery

And I gladly stand up next to you
And defend her still tonight --
I don't want the god "above us all"
But Our Girl who's in our fight!

:patriot:

[melody]

58. Oh, please -- you're just turning around the strong Obama argument against his supporters

The prompting of unknown people from behind the scenes is becoming more and more obvious -- along with talking points.

My candidate was Edwards. I'm backing Obama now because he will be the candidate. And anyone who thinks that McCain
will dust Obama in a debate is either hoping for McCain to win or has simply never seen either of them debate.

[Botany]

60. I have a dream ... Nothing phony about this speech

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/18/obama-race-spe...

"We the people, in order to form a more perfect union."

Two hundred and twenty one years ago, in a hall that still stands across the street, a group of men gathered and, with these simple words, launched America's improbable experiment in democracy. Farmers and scholars; statesmen and patriots who had traveled across an ocean to escape tyranny and persecution finally made real their declaration of independence at a Philadelphia convention that lasted through the spring of 1787

snip

But it is where we start. It is where our union grows stronger. And as so many generations have come to realize over the course of the two-hundred and twenty one years since a band of patriots signed that document in Philadelphia, that is where the perfection begins.

[last1standing]

62. What an insulting, lazy piece of trash this post is.

All you can do is slander, smear and malign other Democrats? Maybe you are a blatant racist. Maybe you're just a hateful idiot. Maybe you've invested so much of your less than stable psyche into thinking that you have to defend Clinton from "the enemy" that you forgot that we're all supposed to be on the same side.

Really, I don't know and don't care. I hope you enjoy your president McCain when he appoints Ashcroft to the Supreme Court. All because you think your fragile ego is more important than this country.

[Neshanic]

66. I already said I am voting for Him, lest I befoul the outcome and it being blamed on me and others

like me. I will not even hold my nose. How about that.

It still does not change my gut feelings about this "Rainmaker" candidate.

[last1standing]

72. What good is your vote if you turn two people away?

It's intellectually dishonest to slime a candidate and his supporters as thoroughly as you just did and then say "but I'll vote for him". It's like stabbing a guy and then telling him he's still your friend.

Just maybe you should consider the effect of your words before you spew them recklessly.

[Avalux]

65. The one WHAT? I am supporting Obama for president because he is the most capable.

I do not see him as "the savior"; the cure for all that ails us. We've spent 8 years under the protection of Daddy Bush and if Hillary "ready from Day 1" Clinton has her way, she'll take over and become Mommy Clinton. No one person can magically fix the horrible state of this country. Those who are foolish enough to believe that truly do get what they deserve.

I've said this so many times here it's become tiresome - Obama engages the American public and instead of speaking as "I", speaks of "we". He makes no false pretenses he can cure our ails, he expects the people to work with him to get it done; he speaks to us as adults and fully expects our involvement and participation in government. I've been waiting my entire adult life for such an opportunity.

The only fantasy island of this campaign is the one Clinton supporters inhabit. Hillary Clinton is a liar and a really bad actress. I have had enough of her performances to last a lifetime.

[Neshanic]

69. Really. Engaged? Is that the memo?

Well lets see how fast you all start to empty the building when he starts on his big "CHANGE". But it won't happen, because he is a calculating and cynical politician that works a sanctuary as well as a board room, and IF there was "CHANGE" in the offing, the proof would be the howls from people like you that want change, but not if it is messy, makes the lawn not get mowed, or causes any problems in the day to day life of the average American.

"Change." Should be "Slight Transition".

[Avalux]

75. "howls from people like you that want change"

You presume to know the kind of person I am, eh? Any argument you may have is rendered pointless by making such a presumption. Time to climb down off that horse.

[Neshanic]

77. "Change". It belongs to your candidate now. It's up to him to deliver.

Anything less is failure.

[Avalux]

80. Here's the thing -

Obama cannot deliver change by himself; it's up to all of us to make it happen. It won't be easy but it's the only choice other than the status quo, which is all we'll get from Clinton or McCain. This country can't take another 4 years of establishment rule.

[Neshanic]

82. Exactly, and Change means something, not just a word

that he throws out there, and then says it's just not a word.

The change we need to get this country back on it's feet will alienate all but the koolaidiest of his supporters, people AND CORPORATE so there will be no "CHANGE", just a small re-adjustment.

What are you really expecting? He's a career politician. With a creepy graphic designer and a gang that follows him around and belives his own publicity.

[GrandmaJones7]

84. You are clearly delusional if you believe:

what you wrote: "It won't be easy but it's the only choice other than the status quo, which is all we'll get from Clinton or McCain. "

NO comparison between our next president (Hillary) and that other person you mentioned.

BUT - when SHE is nominated, we still need your vote!

[mkultra]

67. so you are a alter-lemming

instead of joining something because of another's opinion, you don't because of another's opinion.


well done.

[Neshanic]

74. Lets just say I will meet you all at the cliff for the lemming jump, but I will not

run amok for miles heading towards it with my lemming pals.

[cliffordu]

71. So?

[thevoiceofreason]

76. When one of my (5) kids didn't like something, they would yell and face the wall.

I assume he taught you this approach?

[Neshanic]

79. Why would my childhood have anything to do with this?

[Aussie leftie]

81. The main objective of having these primaries

is to select a candidate who is the most capable of defeating the republican candidate at the general election. I personally thought that John Edwards would be the ideal candidate because he is compassionate, very intelligent, has experience, comes from the south, has charisma and is young and good looking. Unfortunately, the majority of voters didn't feel the same way as me.

Barack Obama has almost the same qualifications except for the fact that he lacks the experience. At the moment he is getting a lot of votes, but are they voters who would normally vote democrat anyway. Admit it or not, there are still a lot of racist voters living in the red southern states and they're the states that are needed to confirm a democrat win in the general election.

Hillary Clinton isn't perfect, but I still feel that she would be more capable of winning over the swinging voters than Obama. People know her more as a politician than they know of Obama's limited career in politics.

There are a lot of disillusioned republican voters out there, and I feel sure that they would rather take a step to the left more so than a giant leap.

[madrchsod]

83. I mean your tragically hip retro-wet dream of reliving the 1968 Democratic Convention riots.

who are you talking about?

[GrandmaJones7]

86. You were SO right when you wrote about Obama:

"He is the epitome of the cardboard parody of a candidate. Shallow, and demanding nothing but listening to his unremarkable speeches of candyland and paradise, you listen with glazed eyes to the promises of a Chicago hack politician; one that can't keep his friends and their propery boundaries straight."

-which is why we all need to SUPPORT HILLARY!

Its about time we included the DISENFRANCHISED DEMOCRATIC VOTERS- ESPECIALLY THOSE IN FLORIDA!

When people cast votes, WE COUNT THEM!

[zulchzulu]

87. In case you missed it, Obama has been winning OUTSIDE of the world of DU

You seem to think that Obama's votes and support and unsurmountable lead are just within the DU world. He is a winner. He is going to be the nominee. He is going to be the next President of the United States with or without your support.

Your delusion that Obama is only supported here at DU is comical in its tragic ignorance.

[Neshanic]

88. Then laugh it up.

[PerfectSage]

89. I recommend Preperation H. That'll cure what ails you.

Well I don't have good gut feelings about Hillary at all. My gut says "Worse than WJC. Let's see WJC: Gut said "run of the mill politician". GWB: Gut said "FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKINNNNNNNNG IIIIIDDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTT!!!"

Obama: Gut says: "This will be the first president I don't feel any contempt for and can admire."

I always admired WJC for his intelligence. But, Hillary doesn't even pass my intelligence test.

[Beregond2]

91. ?

When has anyone ever said Obama is the cure for "all that ails us?" He himself goes out of his way to defuse unrealistic expectations. Your characature of him as a cynical fantasist is itself a cynical fantasy. I think you are one of those professional deflaters, who is terrified to be seen an "uncool," so you rush to puncture anything resembling enthusiasm or idealism. I wonder what kind of candidate would please you. I doubt anyone could.

[GoldieAZ49]

94. your assessment is accurate

Obama's political strategy is hold up a mirror, people see themselves and think they are voting themselves into power, and he hides behind it. He has said as much in his book, the blank screen.

I cannot recall a more shallow arrogant candidate than BO, and yes his groupies will get what they deserve, and no one to blame for the loss but themselves.


It is funny how in the same breath they call America racist, and then that their black candidate will win the White House.

I wonder if they even hear themselves, really, it is amusing.

[Radical Activist]

95. You write like someone who has never heard Obama speak.

Obama never claims to be the cure for all that ails us. He says that change will come from the people and reminds his audiences that electing him will not be enough. They have to maker a personal effort as well.
That's in stark contrast to Hillary's message that change can only come through her and her experience. Obama's message is empowering while Hillary's top-down message is inherently disempowering.

[Butch350]

99. Ignored

Ignored.

[pecwae]

100. Recommending.

[intaglio]

101. Let me try and give a reasoned response to your emotional post

Firstly I must begin with agreeing with you, I do not believe that BHO is the cure for all that ails the USA but then nobody human would be. It is from this point on that I depart from your assessment. No-one sane can tag you as racist for not being an Obama supporter but I can and do tag you with a worse descriptive - cynic.

You assert, with no supporting evidence, that Obama "cannot win the White House" yet surely an ex-alcoholic, cocaine snorting, draft dodging failed business man is a less viable candidate for President. You assert that you do not have the same "gut feeling" about HRC, yet the evidence is that HRC is at the very least tainted and has demonstrated she cannot manage campaign finances and cannot choose her senior campaign staff with any degree of competence.

You claim Obama is a "cardboard parody" and also a "Chicago politician", well sorry but you cannot have it both ways so perhaps you need to reassess your judgement. Even if you give full credence to the propaganda about BHO's ties to Rezko then I would suggest that examining the past history and associations of any politician you will find far worse, because the corrupt will always seek to influence those with power; God knows, Hillary's known links make Rezko look like a piker. Tied with this fundemental disjunction of your perception of Obama is your inability to see anything in his speeches but "candyland and paradise".

When have candidate politicians ever dealt with anything in their speeches except "candyland and paradise"? If humans acted upon the logic that you seem to require then we would have elected and followed a set of Spock-like aliens instead of humans like FDR and Churchill. I do not know if Obama is in that class or not (and neither do you). Churchill was certainly not regarded as being anything special prior to the war and that paragon of political virtues, Lincoln, was not seen as exceptional either. You decry Obama's speech making yet it has enthused people, young people are coming out to vote so are those from racial minorities and those defamed as "republican"; they do not necessarilly vote Obama in the Primaries, but many will stay and vote Democrat come the General.

Regarding debates, how can a man who was not blown "to the side of the stage" by Hillary be blown to the side of the stage by the slightest breeze? You are right to say that Obama/McCain will not be a replay of the Kennedy/Nixon debates (which were largely regarded as a tie at the time) but they have the potential to be far more destructive to McCain, there are many times where his temper is not well controlled.

Your last three paragraphs are largely incoherent, if you will clarify them I might be tempted to reply.

[against all enemies]

102. Thank you for sharing how important your thoughts are.

[Perry Logan]

104. More people? It's just the same people, repeating it over and over.

[Unbowed]

107. Not he. We.

It's about inclusion and the power of what WE can do together. That's what's so different about this campaign. We are part of the change we want. We are involved in taking back our country. That's the secret of success here.

We can do it.

Yes we can.

The power of "WE" beats the power of "I" any day.

Hillary Clinton has supporters and she is always telling them what she will do for them.
Barack Obama has supporters and he is always telling them that they are part of the process.

There is a huge difference here and it is one that not everybody is going to be comfortable with. If you are complacent and used to having things done for you, then you are not going to like being challenged like this. It's less about intelligence than it is about personal comfort zones, about fear. Some people want the status quo. Some people want to be challenged with the new and bold. Hillary Clinton is a safe choice for people who want what to keep the status quo. People who fear a challenge and who fear change will prefer Clinton to Obama.

The rest of us, well we aren't afraid. Period.

No, you won't. But... YES WE CAN!

[Buddy Tess]

110. And just what "power" will he be sharing with you?

"It's about inclusion and the power of what WE can do together. That's what's so different about this campaign. We are part of the change we want. We are involved in taking back our country. That's the secret of success here."

And just what power is he going to give you that you don't already have? You can vote, you can publicly protest, you can privately protest, you can organize, etc.....just WHAT power will he be "sharing" with you? It's YOU who are sharing the power by voting him into office and I warn you to be careful with who you share that power with. There's NOTHING he's going to give you that you don't already have and if you think it's okay that a candidate can "give" you that power, you better be sure they will be able to take it away just as easily.


"Hillary Clinton has supporters and she is always telling them what she will do for them."


And if her plan fails, it's all on her, though I'm sure she will find plenty of blame to go around. And as soon as Bill starts his antics with the help, she'll blame the media for covering it and causing it to distract from her plan to save us from ourselves.



"Barack Obama has supporters and he is always telling them that they are part of the process."




And like most politicians, when the stuff hits the fan, he'll be pointing to those of "us" that didn't pull their weight, meaning the white majority didn't give him the votes in Congress to pass his crazy, budget busting ideas. And the sycophants will lap it right up. I want a leader, not someone who's going to make me a partner while raiding my wallet.

This guy's just another politician; he's no god-send. If elected, IMHO, it will be detrimental to our country's future.

They're both going to damage this country and get us deeper into debt and probably another war.

[Unbowed]

124. No one man can do it alone.

What he's asking of us is more than our vote, it's our voice. Sadly, our voice has been silenced in recent years.

We used to be a nation of people who would take to the streets against bad government. There has been too much complacency. People haven't really given a damn in years. Only a few of us have, but we are not the majority. Trust me, I've put in my time holding protest signs the past few years only to be stared at like riffraff that should be carted off to the hoosegow.

People need a fire lit under their asses. Every right we have was fought for and we are going to have to fight to keep them. People within our own government have been systematically taking those rights away from us and most people sit by like sheep.

Sure we can do all the things you suggest without Obama. But only a few of us have bothered to. The best thing a leader can ever do is to spur the masses to action. Obama shows a remarkable talent for leadership that goes beyond mere words. People are finally getting off their asses. People who have never gotten off their asses in their life are actually taking part in his campaign, writing letters to editors and doing all the things that those of us here at DU do on a routine basis. The point is that this is not routine for many Americans.

I frankly don't care about blame. If it goes wrong, who we blame is the least of our troubles.

Nobody is a god-send. If we are lucky, we get good leaders who will work hard with us and for us. We have not been lucky lately.

Obama shows a lot of promise. Not a god-send, just a damn smart man with great leadership skill. I like his intellect and his ideas. True, there are people who are somewhat mesmerized by Barack Obama's charm. He is more personable than say, Bush, for example. However, I'm fairly immune to charm. I simply like his perception of where we are as a nation and where we have to be. And I especially like his ideas and plans to get us there.

[cooolandrew]

108. Your graciousness and positivity is always welcome...

[LWolf]

109. I don't accept it either, and it has nothing to do with racism.

Your gut and mine are saying the same things.

[roseBudd]

111. He is not the one, like Morpheus he is simply showing us the door, it is up to us whether to go thru

[anonymous171]

122. Correct.

[Independent-Voter]

113. Ho hum, another bigot for Hillary. Her base is consistant if nothing else.

[Ian_rd]

114. Now we're "book burners" too?

We hate women. We hate gays. We're in a cult. And now we burn books. The kitchen sink is long gone. So, what are y'all throwing now? Wadded-up toilet paper?

By the way, your entire post is nothing but a fact-free expression of your gut feelings. The closest thing you get to substance is commenting on the worst statements made from Obama supporters. Friend, horrible things have been said on both sides, to paint the entire group with the comments of an extreme few is intellectual cowardice.

For example, I have no plans on accusing all Hillary supporters of calling us "book burners."

[totodeinhere]

116. Nobody is saying that Obama is "the cure for all that ails us."

Of course no one person can be that good. But what a lot of Obama supporters are saying I think is that Obama is the right person for the job at this time. But of course he or anyone else for that matter won't be able to cure every problem that ails us. That's too much to ask of anyone.

And BTW, isn't it convenient that rather than coming up with substantive issues that cause you to oppose Obama, you say it's a "gut feeling" that tells you he is not the right candidate. Well IMO, gut feelings don't cut it. If you oppose a candidate, tell us specifically why, don't just fall back on that gut feeling crap.

[crankychatter]

117. The GOP is accepting registrations

If I felt the way you do, I'd follow my heart.

You sound like Mayor Daley in 68. You're accidentally correct. This IS the same battle. Those of us that oppose War as the first vehicle of diplomacy vs those that believe the Party frauds' anti-War rhetoric, while taking money from the very corporations that profit from needless mayhem, War Profiteers.

Yeah, don't let the door hit you in the ass.

[Orsino]

118. Congratulations on discovering that politicians pander.

Don't believe that any of them is "the one." While we really need a hero now, what we need even more is unity on the issues that matter, so that one day our government won't need "the one" anymore.

[oneofthepeople]

119. The only disappointment I see....

Would be McCain winning the General Election.

Savaging the past ? Perhaps we should remember it. Like the last seven years!

Obama not genuine? I perceive him to be very much so. It is my perception and my vote.

I agree with "It's our loss" in the context that all negatives for 'both democratic' candidates is ours to lose in November.

A divided country, a divided DU. What is new? We can have more of the same or we can elect someone who professes to believe in something better. That is what we have in Obama along with good ideas, grace, good judgement and integrity.

[Pawel K]

120. All this is based on your gut feeling? I guess that's all Hillary has left

is people's gut feeling.

At first I thought this was some kind of parody written by Colbert, I can't believe you are being serious.

[Beacool]

121. Yep, that about sums it up for me too!!!

Couldn't have said it better:

"He is the epitome of the cardboard parody of a candidate. Shallow, and demanding nothing but listening to his unremarkable speeches of candyland and paradise, you listen with glazed eyes to the promises of a Chicago hack politician; one that can't keep his friends and their property boundaries straight".

[LittleClarkie]

126. Kinda how I felt before the primaries started when I was told Hillary was inevitable

and I might as well just get used to the idea.

Even before I picked Obama, I was pretty darn sure I wasn't voting for her.

[GoesTo11]

128. Enthusiastic supporters? That's a good thing, not a bad thing.

It takes voters to win elections. (Apologies to the Duke, who is a very cool guy even if not everyone admits it)