Mark Penn, forced out or left on his own? I'd like to know which

[Raven]

it was and why they are keeping him on in ANY capacity.

[HereSince1628]

1. Maybe they are contractually bound to keeping him on?

[C_U_L8R]

2. It's a Clinton firing.

He still keeps his job with the campaign
and gets spanky new business cards.
Oh and they changed the sign on
his reserved parking space.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. there you go.

DING DING DING! THE winner bell rings!

[flpoljunkie]

9. Talkingpointsmemo Josh Marshall: Full Firing? Or Just Gelded?

Full Firing? Or Just Gelded?
04.06.08 -- 11:00PM
By Josh Marshall

Is Penn really out? Completely, positively out?

Here's the statement ...

Statement from Maggie Williams

After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as Chief Strategist of the Clinton Campaign; Mark, and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign.

Geoff Garin and Howard Wolfson will coordinate the campaign's strategic message team going forward.

The campaign statement says Geoff Garin and Howard Wolfson are taking over strategy and message. But Garin's a pollster. So the logic of the situation says he's taking over the polling. But it doesn't actually say that. Meanwhile the statement does conspicuously go out of its way to say that Penn and his firm will not only keep doing polling but also keep advising the campaign.

I'm going to have to wait to hear from some of my DC Dem consultant/polling community friends to get more of a feel for what happened here. Because if he was really sacked, the sacking announcement sort of reads like he helped draft it.

When you figure how much grief this swaggering oaf has caused the Clinton campaign, if you're going to can him you'd think you would want to present it as something of a clean break, even if in the background some ties might actually remain. Yet the statement seems to have been massaged in such a way as to leave the murkiest of impressions.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/187620.php

[C_U_L8R]

11. They're going to have to fire Penn three or four more times

until he's really gone.

[flpoljunkie]

14. Penn has been with the Clintons since he was brought into the White House by Dick Morris, who was

brought into the White House at the urging of Hillary Clinton.

[Noirceuil]

3. I'd like to know how Obama...

could sit in Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years and have no knowledge that the man bashes America and spews hate and conspiracy theories from the pulpit.

[DerekJ]

7. How is Free Republic?!!

You guys still spewing hate there?!!

[Shae]

15. I must have stumbled into

the "I hate Obama and his pastor Jeramiah Wright" thread by mistake.

[merh]

19. Because not every sermon was like the snippets you watched

It's a damn shame you can't figure that out on your own, those snippets don't reflect that man anymore than your ignorant posts here truly reflect who you are.

Oh and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiSutcBArDU

[stellanoir]

4. ". . .there were more, equally egregious offenses?. . ."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/06/mark-penn-resigns-from-cl_n_95323.html

Sounds like a combo.

He's seems so-o-o totally slimy IMHO.

Takin' the 6 mill and runnnnnnnnnnnnning.

Ughhh

[Boz]

6. Hes not going anywhere, still active in her campaign

Its a hillary three card monty.

[MBS]

8. Nice analysis of this in The Field

See "Penn Jumps Ship" http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1011

[Life Long Dem]

10. It reads. Penn "asked" to quit.

He wanted to quit and asked for this.

[polichick]

12. Since many of Hillary's supporters don't use the internet, maybe this will work...

But for those of us who know, it's just another example of SLICK from the Clinton camp.

[C_U_L8R]

13. funny... PICK SLICK

I knew they were channeling Tracy Flick !!!

[Vinca]

16. Didn't one of the unions supporting Hillary insist he go?

Hard to be a union Hillary supporter when the candidate's guru is helping ship your job out of the country.

[Avalux]

17. His firm will STILL be handling the PR for Clinton's campaign.

Mark Penn hasn't been forced out; just calling himself something different now.

[Exilednight]

18. Listening to NPR this morning and I learned that Mark Penn is not completely gone..........

from the Hillary campaign. He will still be employed to provide polling data. The only job he lost was the strategist position.

[stellanoir]

20. According to TPM

this sounds like a total fake out.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/187620.php