Bill Nelson: "There could be “blood all over the floor” in Denver " Video included.

[madfloridian]

In an interview with WPTV news Senator Bill Nelson says Florida folks do not react well to having their votes taken away. He says the National Democratic party just does not understand. He says he tried to "settle this thing" nine months ago. He said Howard Dean and the rest of the committee (he thinks there are only about 300 of them) did not want to sit down and work it out. More on that below.

Interview with Bill Nelson

U.S Senator Bill Nelson (D) Fla., spoke about a number of issues facing Floridians today. At his office in West palm Beach, Senator Nelson discussed a possible solution for the democratic delegate issue – and voiced concern that if something wasn’t done soon to reach a compromise there could be “blood on the floor” in Denver during this year’s Democratic Convention.

Bill is going to be the Pied Piper for Florida's delegates, leading them to Denver in August.

Nelson: "I will lead the delegates to Denver whether or not the DNC plans to let them in."

The state party would have 30 days to change its plan before the sanctions would go into effect, but instead Florida's Democratic lawmakers say they will fight back. Sen. Bill Nelson told reporters in a conference call Friday that he'll lead the delegates to Denver whether or not the DNC plans to let them in.

"We are quite concerned that Florida Democrats are going to lose their right to vote," Nelson said. "And of all states, we have the sensitivity of this because of what we have gone through.

Those are his words from last August. Not a single thing Dean has said, not a single party rule, nothing gets through his thick head.

Dean was conciliatory and offered DNC help for the state"..hour long phone call

TALLAHASSEE — As Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean put out peace feelers to Florida Thursday, a Tampa party activist filed a federal lawsuit seeking to make the party recognize results of the state's Jan. 29 presidential primary.

Participants in an hour-long conference call with Dean said they held out hope for a compromise to resolve the DNC ultimatum to back off the early date. The party's rules committee last weekend gave Florida Democrats 30 days to comply with its rules that allow only four states — Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada — to select delegates before Feb. 5. Failure to do so will lead the national party to strip the state of its 210 votes at the Democratic National Convention.

One Florida DNC member even said that "it was a nice, civil discussion with the chairman but we've got to remember that it's about the voters who want their ballots to count."

Bill Nelson, I hope everyone watches the interview you gave. They will see what our party is facing. You have made a name for yourself on this issue...but I consider it done on the backs of Howard Dean and the rest of us who know you are spinning.

Oooh, I just heard him on the video lying about the rules. And threatening even more. They knew they would lose all the delegates, ALL of them. They had 30 days to fix it.

Florida KNEW they could lose ALL their delegates if they voted yes to move the primary.

Unbelievable. They knew, and he is not telling the truth.

Even this MTP video I posted in the Video forum says from the beginning they knew they would lose them all. Stop the lies.

Hillary accepted & signed the DNC rules barring MI & FL. From a MTP interview

I am so tired of this stuff.

[Catherina]

1. What a little shit.

I'm thankful to Howard Dean for his good leadership and integrity.

[Cassandra]

3. Has the little shit ever battled Bush...

with the same vigor with which he goes after Dean? What a crappy Democrat.

[40ozDonkey]

7. Interesting 2 year old comment I found off the Democratic Party website

"I'm a Floridian, and I love Bill Nelson. He's my type of guy; he doesn't just vote the party line and he doesn't sacrifice what is best for Florida just to appease Democratic leaders. He's fought hard for Florida in terms of FEMA relief and keep oil drilling off our coasts, issues important to Floridians. Many people criticize him because he is not a liberal, but this is Florida, which is a state where moderation is key in all aspects of life. I'm so glad that Bill is currently winning in a landslide and in other Florida Democratic news, Jim Davis just raised more money in the year before an election than any Democratic governor ever. Florida looks good for Democrats right now, especially good centrist Democrats who look at issues from their own perspective.

As Chairman Dean says, "Everybody marches to the beat of their own drummer in this party."

Posted by KDJ on January 5, 2006 at 10:36 PM

:rofl:
Yes, KDJ & Mr. Dean. It seems they do.

[Zodiak]

12. You mean "What a DLC Demcorat"

Because that is what the DLC does (undermine the grassroots for the party, which Dean DNC represents these days).

Bill Nelson is just following the DLC orders to destroy the "Democratic wing of the Democratic party" and turn over the Presidency t the Republicans.

[bellasgrams]

4. You wouldn't say that if you voted in FL and your vote didn't

count. The real people of FL deserve to have their votes counted. They are citizens, they pay taxes and no one, especially a partisan political group should be allowed to take that vote away. The dems really need to call DNC on this and clean house from the top down. A person's vote should never be a bargaining chip to use against them.

[madfloridian]

11. Please stop with the lies. My head hurts from hearing them.

Just stop it. Hillary is not going to win this even with all the lies and spin.

STOP

[riskpeace]

42. Why do you have the right to tell this poster to STOP?

If you are confident in your position, then there should be no need to silence the voice of someone who disagrees with you.

What part of their post was a "lie?" Everything I read is a completely accurate representation of the situation.

On a side note, how sad that the long-serving Democratic Senator from Florida, without whom the Republicans would control the majority and all the Senate committees, is called a "little shit" by more than one poster on "Democratic Underground."

[ShaneGR]

50. It seems that you are more concerned with Obama winning than actually counting votes.... nt

[Cha]

71. Why don't you get a clue about what

happened in Florida before you accuse someone of not wanting to "actually counting the votes". Your ignorance is startling.

[ShaneGR]

97. The facts is Florida? Here's a fact for you....

I voted for Edwards, if we had a revote I'd vote for Obama. How's them for some facts.

[RTBerry]

58. Pardon me, Mad;

but when was Hillary's campaign mentioned in the post to which you're responding? I have long followed your threads, and I thank you for the valuable information you continually post; but you have of late been... well... just a wee tad myopic.

[madfloridian]

61. Myopic? Interesting statement. These are Hillary superdelegates

I am posting about those from FL who are changing the rules about how the party runs primaries.

I have been called far worse than myopic, my friend.

I have a very tough hide.

Florida's leaders are acting like children, and I call them out on it. It is nearly always Bill and Debbie being the loudest.

[ShaneGR]

64. #1: Bill Nelson didnt vote for the changes in the statehouse #2: You care more about Obama

You're just "mad" because they havent all begged for forgiveness and skulked away.

[madfloridian]

68. Feel free to skulk away. Yes, that would make me happy.

By.

[Cha]

74. What's "myopic" about pointing

out the lies of hilary, ben nelson, the dinos in Florida and giving the facts about the power grabbers who couldn't wait one week within the primary rules of the DNC that hilary agreed to?

[polmaven]

94. I realize that your hate has overwhelmed you

but the very least you could do is spell her name right....HILLARY...2 Ls..It really isn't that difficult.

[Cha]

96. You don't realize shit..you have a hilary avatar..

And your little "hilary hater" red herring has gotten rancid on ya.

Why Hillary’s Lies are Important

By - March 24, 2008, 9:53PM
Hillary Clinton has been caught in a series of lies and misrepresentations during the primary campaign. To some of her supporters, these lies may seem trivial and insignificant and even politics-as-usual. However, please consider the serious impact of these lies by placing them in the context of the past seven years of the Bush Administration and the legacy of expanded executive power that he leaves behind. In particular, consider the dangerous message that the Clinton campaign sends by employing similar tactics to achieve her political goals.

1. The Florida and Michigan Primaries / The Delegate Count
Hillary agreed to honor the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates after their primaries were moved up into January in express violation of the DNC rules. She did not change her position on the validity of these primaries until she found herself unexpectedly behind in the delegate count and desperately needed to claim the delegates that she had won in these unsanctioned contests. As her chances of winning the nomination became increasingly slim in recent weeks, we have been presented with threatening and desperate lines of reasoning for why these primary results should count as is. At the same time, Clinton and her surrogates continue to propose different metrics for determining who should win the nomination even though there is and has been a clearly defined process in place for several decades.

Please think about the implications of changing election rules after the fact. We have suffered through at least one stolen presidential election and the manipulation of untold numbers of Congressional and state elections through various vote tampering and voter intimidation schemes used by the Republicans and their allies. The American people (and especially Democratic voters) have lost faith in the integrity of the election process. The Clinton strategy to continually change the rules for determining the Democratic Party nominee sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to increasingly un-Democratic elections in the future if it is allowed to succeed. If anything, we need more transparency and methods of accountability in our elections in order to repair the damage done in recent years and to restore our confidence in the Government.

2. The Bosnia Fabrication / Exaggerated Experience Claims
Hillary fabricated a story about a dangerous, life-risking visit to Bosnia in order to gain stature as an experienced negotiator in international conflicts and war. While this type of embellishment can seem almost comical, it represents a willingness to distort reality in order to influence the public perception. This is the same type of distortion that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, although the magnitude of the lie is certainly on a different scale. The Bush administration falsified reports, cherry-picked intelligence, used unreliable sources, and employed fear-mongering tactics to convince the American public that our safety was at risk and as such, you were either with us or with the terrorists. The lies used by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are impeachable offenses and should be condemned by all Americans. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seems to have shown a shocking willingness to employ the same tactics to create a more favorable reality and to rely on divide-and-conquer rhetoric to weaken opposition. Her attempts to frighten the American people by conjuring up 3 AM phone calls are bad enough, but her vote of confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama should be seen as treason against the Democratic Party.

3. NAFTA
Hillary lied about her position on NAFTA and used her lies in a calculated way to influence the Ohio primary. Recently released White House documents confirm that Hillary had been an active proponent of NAFTA prior to its passage, and she has continued to support it publicly in her speeches and memoir. However, while campaigning in Ohio, she claimed to have been privately against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency and believes that it should be rewritten to protect American jobs and workers. This type of maneuvering is reminiscent of the behind-closed-doors policy-making that the Bush administration has used during the past seven years. Specifically, Bush and Cheney have made policy decisions without providing transparency to Congress or the public, and President Bush has repeatedly ignored the rule of law by issuing signing statements and disregarding the parts of the laws that he doesn’t agree with. If we cannot trust Hillary to be truthful about her positions on critical legislative issues now, how can we trust that she will be truthful as president?

These are just three examples that illustrate the concerns we should have with a candidate who demonstrates a sense of entitlement to the nomination and is willing to lie, misrepresent, threaten, and divide in order to obtain the nomination. President Bush and the neoconservative movement have greatly harmed this country by the creation of an imperial-like presidency. This election is not just about whether a Democrat or Republican wins but if the checks and balances are restored to the three branches of government. The framers of the Constitution were in such fear of an imperial president that mechanisms for impeachment are prominently and explicitly included in the Constitution. If Hillary Clinton is willing to use lies and deceit to win the Democratic nomination, what assurances do we have that she will not continue to use them once she is president?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/why-h...

<snip>

"Her response to being caught lying to a military audience, when she invented a story about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, was to say it wasn't surprising she got some things wrong, seeing how she spoke millions of words every day. What a magnificent idea, that if you say lots of words some of them are bound to be fantastic lies. So if you listen carefully to horse-racing commentators they say things like "And it's Teddy's Boy still leading three furlongs out as they come up to the fourth last fence with Nip and Tuck two lengths behind by the way I fought a tiger once, punched it clean out and they're all safely over."

<lots more>
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/opinion/article3...

[RTBerry]

98. The myopic aspect

rested in how the topic was switched. I am no great fan of Hillary, and I certainly detest what Nelson is up to (and just about everything else about that DINO's actions); but the problem we are faced with concerning voters in Florida not having their opinions counted in the primary election is a real concern, a valid concern. Reflexively asserting that those who are sensitive to that concern are liars and/or Clinton sycophants is myopic.

You see this time and again in political discussions. Those who have strong beliefs tend to reduce all questions into the framework of their closely-held opinions.

[Cassandra]

14. A partisan political group?

Oh, you mean the Democratic Party which, through the Democratic National Committee, makes and enforces the rules of the Democratic primaries. Partisan... as in, not Republican. I guess the DLC jokers (who represent themselves and big business) shouldn't have played chicken with your vote.

[madfloridian]

19. So weird to say: "partisan political group"

I missed that...glad you caught it.

[Cassandra]

23. With enough lies and distortions...

even otherwise sensible Democrats can be pushed into authoritarian follower thinking, or some other defensive posture.

[Binka]

25. Poor Bella Her Gram Is A Nutter

She has been spewing her spleen for the past few months to no avail. Do not make the mistake of taking that poster seriously. YMMV!

[Catherina]

21. The people who voted for Sen Jeremy Ring (D-FL) cut their own throats

I appreciate your anger over not having your vote count but the anger needs to be directed at Florida Party leaders, not the DNC.

Sen Jeremy Ring (D-FL) ran on a platform to break the rules and move Florida's Primary up despite the DNC's objections. The people you need to be angry at are Jeremy Ring, D, and all the Democrats who voted for him.


The real people of Florida shouldn't have cut their own throat. They tried to force their will on the rest of the nation and lost. Next time maybe they'll play by the rules.

[Mojorabbit]

24. I voted in florida

and I knew my vote would not count. I voted only because there was a property tax item on the ballot. It was a sham primary and should not count.

[psychmommy]

30. tell your reps that.

they bargained away your states relevancy when they moved up the primary. spin it any way you want. they bargained that fl is a big state and that the dnc would cave. they didn't. you knew your vote didn't count when you voted. tell it to your reps.

[Usrename]

33. Maybe you and the senator can start the Florida for Nelson party.

You guys don't seem to like the rules in this party.

[TheDoorbellRang]

56. So did you and other FL democrats complain to your state leaders

when they "disenfranchised" you by moving up your primary date? Why are you not ripping into the FL Democratic party?

If y'all didn't bitch when they were doing it to you then, then you learned a lesson. Next time, pay attention.

[PassingFair]

80. Well I "voted" in Michigan, and if that vote IS counted, it will be a travesty.

I am furious with our legislators and their
little front-load for Clinton GAMES!

The "primaries" were INVALID because the
STATES broke the rules...
Rules which all of the other states abided by.

[roguevalley]

37. bury him headfirst in donkey poo. I am sick of them whining because

they broke the rules.

[Mags]

53. that is your opinion, I think H. Dean has been bought and paid for by

BHO or he doesn't see the split he is causing with his stance to let every vote count.

[Hoof Hearted]

85. You give him too much credit, Dr. Dean is actually very simple

as in, he's a MORON.

[RememberWellstone]

92. Awwww, poor Catherobama

Bad news? Sorry, my vote will get counted one way or the other sweetie.

[Lucky 13]

2. "Blood on the floor"? And people were upset with the suggestion of possible riots?

How is this acceptable?

[madfloridian]

5. Oh dear, he says you need PA, OH, MI, and FL to win. Two have been "stiff-armed"

Oooh..keep it up, Bill. You and Debbie WS are just reinventing the world.

[SoCalDem]

16. MAP for Bill (Obama does not "need" most of those states)

Hillary does though..and she won't get them..(unless she uses some of Bill's money & buys Diebold, E,S&S & Sequoia)

If Barr jumps in, Obama might win Georgia too
and I don't think that Michigan will vote for McCain
Most people are not paying attention to the brou-haha about the primary, and will vote for their own best interests in Nov.


and if Barr runs with Ron Paul, we would win Alaska too..

[AZ Criminal JD]

18. If Michigan's votes are taken away it will be red not blue.

Also you are giving Obama Virginia. Very optimistic of you.

[Upfront]

39. Bull shit!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AZ Criminal JD]

66. Your intellectual thoughts are outstanding.

[Upfront]

73. Ya I know.

I just amaze my self at times.

[PassingFair]

84. As are your fanciful predictions...n/t

[AZ Criminal JD]

101. At least I know political history

Something that Obama supporters are lacking.

[BumRushDaShow]

32. PA is NOT going for McCain!

PA voted for Kerry in 2004!

[SoCalDem]

34. Not saying they won't be blue.. just showing

that HRH's psychotic histrionics are nonsense

[VotesForWomen]

75. right, and who needs those states? O's going to win UT, WY,SC, GA, etc. we'll show those uppity Flo

Floridians.

[me b zola]

6. This is why the SDs must come forward, the sooner the better

I fully believe that the Clinton camp has every intention of disrupting the convention. But if Obama hits the magic number of delegates, then Clinton will ruin any chance she has of salvaging her political career if she continues to disrupt the campaign of our Democratic nominee.

[easy_b94]

8. This guy should be a Repug

[Cassandra]

17. He's not?

Oh, yeah, he's what passes for a Dem in "centrist" circles.

[grantcart]

9. the end is begining

[Az_lefty]

10. "if we don't get our way, we're breaking all the toys"...

it's really unfortunate, but Florida and Michigan screwed up moving their primary dates. It's their own damned fault.

[Cassandra]

20. And we're going to hold our breath until we turn...

red... no, I mean blue... oh, whatever.

[Froward69]

13. Total Tool!!!

If you do not follow the rules to begin with. ACCEPT the consequences! DO NOT THREATEN!

[SoCalDem]

15. Too bad Bill didn't take a long Space-walk, with a leaky air hose

He's a nutjob..

[Dr.Phool]

55. Where was Senator Toughguy in 2000,

Back when our votes really needed counting. I don't recall hearing a peep out of him then.

Probably in a prayer meeting with Hillary, Santorum, and Brownback at their Fellowship cult.

If there's any blood on the convention floor Bill, I hope it's running out of your nose.

[KaptBunnyPants]

22. Fuck Bill Nelson.

Florida, hold you're state reps accountable for playing games with your right to vote. This wasn't hard, the DNC is trying to break up the permanent monopoly for Iowa and NH to get the first shot at voting, but a mad dash to be the first state voting would have ruined the primary. The rules were made, and your reps colluded with Republicans to embarrass the national Party. None of these douchebags deserve reelection.

[madfloridian]

26. Bill says they thought they would only lose 1/2 delegates....lie. Read this.

A segment of the letter from Howard Dean to the candidates back in August 2007. It was shown on MTP in February with Durbin and Schumer as guests.

DNC Chairman Howard Dean
Letter to Democratic Presidential Candidates
August 31, 2007

As the leader of the Democratic Party, I strongly urge you to adhere to the 2008 Delegate Selection Rules...

The 2008 Delegate Selection Rules adopted by the full DNC at its August 2006 meeting clearly provide that only 4 states - Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina - may hold their respective contests prior to February 5, 2008. The findings of Non-Compliance included a 100% loss of pledged and unpledged delegates.

Did you see that? 100%. They knew it then.

Here is the video of Hillary Clinton's words in accepting the rules then.

Hillary accepted & signed the DNC rules barring MI & FL. From a MTP interview

[redqueen]

49. Hillary's supporters here have been circulating an alternate pledge

which doesn't say anything about the delegates being stripped.

They're using it to try to imply that no one knew the delegates would be stripped.

The lying never ends... UGH.

[madfloridian]

54. Well, keep the video kicked and recommend.

I must give Tim Russert credit....he nailed it down hard.

[nichomachus]

27. What would happen if . . .

What would happen if a state delegation decided it was going to flout the party rules and hold its convention in Denver in mid-May. So, the delegates go to Denver in May and cast their votes.

Should those votes be counted by the real convention or should they be ignored?

This is basically what happened with Florida and Michigan. The party set rules for when the people could vote. The state parties flouted the rules. Now, they want the votes counted.

[liskddksil]

28. Man if this guy

would have displayed this level of opposition to the Republicans in the Senate, rather than tarnishing the Democratic party over this primary, maybe we would have been able to stop the Alito nomination, the Military commission act, and all the other bills that Nelson and the other DINOS caved on.

[madfloridian]

29. You are so right.

He has been lacking in opposition to such vital issues as you mention. Yet he has made Dean his enemy. He is going too far with it.

[redqueen]

52. They didn't cave. They agree with republicans.

That's how I see it. They are complicit.

[L0oniX]

31. Bill is such a weasel. I have written him many times all to get a gutless response every time.

He needs to be replaced. ...And so what if Floridah voters don't count? After what happen with the Bush/Gore votes and that witch Katherine Harris, they can go to hell for all I care.

[madrchsod]

35. billy is going to become an independent or a republican...

wait a minute.. he already is....

[kevinmc]

36. Bill Nelson- Tough talk for a guy that curls up whenever a Repub says boo ... n/t

[Upfront]

38. Blood on the floor.

It will be his.

[madfloridian]

40. Hi, stranger.

Haven't seen you around in a while.

Bill Nelson is acting like a fool.

:hi:

[Upfront]

72. Keep us informed Mad.

You are doing great. The old Dean folks have got your back.

[madfloridian]

76. Why, thank you so much.

:hi:

[charlie]

41. Spent 99% of his career as a breathing corpse

and this is what finally get's him animated? A fight with his own party?

[crankychatter]

43. Threatening the Party, the Nation and the World

six months wages for five minutes alone with this DINO

is that too much to ask?

[MagickMuffin]

44. Bill & Grace should just stick to praying for the DLC

As part of "the Family" they shouldn't be so concerned, after all "the Family" knows God elects their leaders.

Maybe a prayer breakfast would do the trick, instead of inciting a "bloodbath" at the convention. Sheesh, WWJD.

Grace Nelson used to be the organizer of the Florida Governor's Prayer Breakfast, which makes her a piety broker in Florida politics—she would decide who could share the head table with Jeb Bush.

[grantcart]

45. how does this guy get to be a Senator?

[madfloridian]

46. Because it is Florida.

That is all I can say.

[Dr.Phool]

57. He's lucky to draw opponents crazier than him.

Katherine Harris for example.

[Jackpine Radical]

47. God, that picture! Which one is it that he looks so much like?

Beavis or Butthead? I never could keep those two straight.

[newmajority]

69. More like Stuart, actually.

Most DLC'ers are Winger fans.

[redqueen]

48. The DLC has to GO.

:grr:

[The Backlash Cometh]

51. Bill, Floridians are very accustomed to being tuned out.

With you as their Senator, they've had no choice but get accustom to it.

[sniffa]

59. Are some threatening to cut themselves?

That's not healthy behavior.

[walldude]

60. Nah.. it's the Mile High City

lots of bloody noses due to the altitude....

[mrreowwr_kittty]

99. For reals.

I'm going as a delegate and I'll be STEAMED if they bleed on my summer attire! Just try getting blood out of linen...

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

62. *cough*Republican*cough*

[Barack_America]

63. I hope the Secret Service takes this as a credible threat...

And throws his ass out of the Convention Center.

He's getting pretty damn close to breaking a law here, by encouraging violence/riots at the convention.

[leaningprog]

67. When you jump up in line your risk missing the show

We get it Bill, Hillary was a foregone conclusion, and we do love
our generous and active fellow Democrats in Florida. It was seen
as low risk, flout a rule to give the best of our Dems in Florida
an early voice in a blowout and then get the ban lifted a few
months after she won on Super Tuesday. I do honestly believe
that you felt it was low risk and a political plum that could
not be passed up.

But the blowout did not happen and the plum went rotten for
a bunch of Florida Dems who we do really treasure and who were
hoodwinked by their STATE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP.

So now it is the fault of the DNC, or the Obama campaign,
or even the Republicans who incredulously asked your folks
last August to reconfirm their position for the vote to
jump ahead. Giuliani did not make it for the Republicans
and Hillary may not make it for the Democrats.

It would be easier to sell this hooey if more than 1 vote
in opposition would have come up last August, but it did not.

[JVS]

65. Sad.

[Carrieyazel]

70. The convention will be quite interesting. Let's see some blood, absolutely.

After all, it'll only "help" our nominee in November, right? Let's lay it all out bare. Adds a lot of extra spice to a boring affair.

[Oilwellian]

77. Too much

Dear Bill, Democrats from all 50 states wish you fought the Republicans for the past 7 years with as much vigor as you are now attacking us.

PS: Go fuck yourself.

[terrell9584]

78. He's probably running for Governor

He actually can do such a thing, as his seat is not up till 2012 and the gubernatorial election is in 2010. And looking at the electoral map (and factoring in his accent) Nelson might actually pull it off. He is popular in North Florida.

[madfloridian]

79. He wants to be VP

:hi:

[zulchzulu]

81. Nelson apparently doesn't understand that there are rules and he helped break them

Blood on the floor, huh? If Nelson doesn't understand rules for the primary season, perhaps some other ways to show him what rules are will be given to him in Denver.

[ZinZen]

82. What is he going to do

get sooooooo mad and give himself a nosebleed? What an idiot.

[QC]

83. It will make a nice change from having madfloridian's tears all over the floor

every time someone says something insufficiently reverent about her idol.

[Cassandra]

86. That was quite rude.

I prefer supporting real Democrats.

[madfloridian]

89. What can I say? You are from FL, so you must approve these tactics.

Yeh, I know...let me say it for you...you want your vote to count, you were "disenfranchised", they stole your vote, and so on.

Blood on the floor, tears on the floor. Who cares?

[madfloridian]

87. And another lawsuit against Dean...based on Nelson's previous one..using racist stuff

as a basis.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1975

[MethuenProgressive]

88. "using racist stuff" Complete Bullshit.

As usual from you.

[mmonk]

90. I know he is the hero of the DLC attack on Dean. I would genuinely

like to know the strategy of this group. We have an historic election in front of us. It will shape the future of this country and whether the dark road to corporate and neoliberal rule continues instead of a positive alternative. History will write whether the democratic party survives and was up to the fight or not and what divisive figures such as Nelson played in the outcome.

[madfloridian]

91. My thoughts....a presidential win within the DNC rules would validate Dean's chairmanship

Some don't want that.

They are happy they "blew up the primary".

I believe that these people pushing this so hard in FL simply are not that concerned if we win the presidency this time. In fact a win with Dean as chairman would validate his new tactics for the party.

They don't want that. I think some don't care if we lose in November.

[mmonk]

93. I tend to agree to alot of what you say.

Power now and victory by their machine later rather than now if necessary. Our problem, time is not on our side in reference to the neoconservative coup and a McCain presidency and the dangers it will bring.

[Cassandra]

95. Considering they are the corporate wing...

of some party (not sure it's the Democratic Party), any outcome that pleases the corporate bosses is fine with them. They are looking for a corporate win, no matter who is nominally in the White House.

[AX10]

100. kick