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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:07 PM
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"Experience Trumps Charisma"?
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 05:08 PM by ProSense
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:09 PM
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1. I hope she continues being trying to be the War President.
Obama's closing in on the economic front in a big way.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:09 PM
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2. She didn't say that in 1992 did she?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:40 PM
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6. Really! n/t
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IndyHatedByBothSides Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:10 PM
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3. However, character trumps both experience and charisma
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:51 PM
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10. It's interesting that those who appear outraged by criticism of Hillary for repeatedly lying
and other questionable activities are still salivating over Rezko, Wright and other spin and debunked stories.



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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:00 PM
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28. Bingo!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:11 PM
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4. You're accusing 2 former Joint Chiefs
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 05:13 PM by OzarkDem
and more than 30 former admirals and generals of lying?

Oooookay....

Great Script:

Hillary for President
Admirals and Generals

(Ret) Rear Admiral David Stone: There’s a large group of retired Admirals and Generals that believe that this is the most important election in their lifetime...



..."We face growing threats around the globe. Sen. Clinton is the candidate that we believe is the strongest, most experienced leader.

(Ret.) Lt. General Joe Ballard:
She has spent time in discussions with foreign governments and has spent time on the ground with military in Iraq and Afghanistan.

(Ret.) Brigadier General Evelyn "Pat" Foote:
The woman has traveled to over eighty countries; she knows this world

D. Stone:
Sen. Clinton has served for over five years on the Senate Armed Services Committee. She’s intimately familiar with the challenges that we face in our military today.

J. Ballard:
Sen. Clinton is the only candidate that has articulated a clear plan for getting us out of Iraq.

(Ret.) General Wesley Clark:
On Iraq, she has a plan to bring our troops home in a smart, safe way.


(Ret.) Brigadier General Michael Dunn:
I have seen her get legislation passed that provides resources for our combat veterans.

(Ret.) Brigadier General John Watkins:
She took it upon herself to make sure that the National Guard and Reserve members who didn’t have access to TriCare insurance would get access to TriCare.

(Ret.) Major General George Buskirk:
Sen. Clinton came out early and often, to fight for upgraded body armor, and you can ask any soldier-you can ask my son-how appreciative they are.

M. Dunn:
I admire charisma, I admire intellect. In a Commander in Chief I want more than that. I want proof. I want a track record.

J. Ballard:
You cannot learn on the job, you have to have a base of experience-a framework of experience.

J. Watkins:
Who do we believe would be the best person to occupy the Oval Office and to answer the red phone, as we said, at 3 o’clock in the morning or three o’clock in the afternoon? We come down on the Sen Hillary’s side of the ledger

W. Clark:
I believe Hillary Clinton is the right choice for America.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:14 PM
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5. No, I was accusing Hillary of lying. Are you saying her sniper fire story is true? n/t
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:58 PM
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18. Yeah, I mean really, are going to believe them or your lying eyes?
We've SEEN the video. She lied. It was as damning as that stain on the her husband's dress.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:58 PM
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19. Hillary must be insecure about her strength to constantly surrond herself with military.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:48 PM
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7. If That Were True
Bush I and Bob Dole would have had it all over Bill Clinton.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:50 PM
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8. I really don't want to hear the embellishments about her experience with Bonia,
whatever that is.

:)
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:51 PM
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9. It sounds SEXY.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:52 PM
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12. My mother would of agreed that anything involving the Clenis would be sexy.
But that was 10 years ago.

Now it sounds like a dirty old man story.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:53 PM
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13. LOL...
45-54 Sexy!
55-64 Not so much..
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:55 PM
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14. It's all relative I suppose.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:58 PM
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27. No, that would be incest. n/t
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:09 PM
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30. .
:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:39 PM
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22. I wonder if they'll come up in the debate next week? n/t
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:46 PM
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25. I'd put money on Obama not pressing it, but a moderator will surely try to score
points with it.

I was making a ot bad joke. There was a miss spelling in the OP and it caught me as funny.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:52 PM
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11. He has more legislative experience than she does
so it would appear she is correct.

Or is she touting being first lady again as if she were in the thick of things all the damn time?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:56 PM
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15. If Hillary is so damned experienced, why is it that she is playing catch up to Sen. Newbie?
It would appear her "experience" is vastly overrated if someone can pull the rug out from under her coronation so easily.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:32 PM
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26. I don't think they consider this a valid question. n/t


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:57 PM
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16. Hillary surrogates' generosity:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:57 PM
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17. Hillary is reminding Democrats why they DON'T want her.
Her fabrications, her misguided attempts to take credit for things she never did, and her attempt to count her time attending tea sessions with other first ladies as "experience" all make clear she is a self aggrandizing braggart of no substance. Her inability to run a campaign, her inability to pick good people, and her cluelessness about how to handle money all make clear she's in over her head.

She should stick to being a junior senator from NY, where her lack of skill, integrity and substance are between her and the voters for that state.

She will not be our nominee, and she will not be on the ticket. Thank God.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:14 PM
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20. Not in America. Think Kennedy v Nixon
n/t
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:38 PM
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21. I presume they will draft Biden back into the race
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:48 PM
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35. It's great to have Hillary endorsing Biden, isn't it!
:D
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:03 AM
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39. Good one! n/t
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:41 PM
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23. She has neither. nt
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:42 PM
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24. Wherefore is this ephemeral experience of which the good lady doth speak?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:08 PM
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29. A pretty disingenious post
which is telling, because the OBVIOUS fact is that Obama has very little experience that would ordinarily qualify someone to seek the presidency.

That's going to be a MAJOR issues- and perhaps the lynchpin in the fall should he get the nomination.

While the Clintons may have misrepresented things- and probably will keep on doing so, that doesn't mean they don't have 8 years in the whitehouse AND successful foreign policy achievements LIKE BOSNIA and Kosovo behind them.

Obama on the other hand, has nothing remotely similar. Tough bind, though I would expect an honest person to at least acknowledge and deal with that- rather than to channel and actually praise Reagan and Bush I.

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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:13 PM
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32. The Clintons aren't running
Hillary Clinton is. And her experience was 8 years as First Lady, not President.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:15 PM
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33. Of course they are!
Two for the price of one.

You don't think that Hillary and Bill discussed policy and decisions in depth all those years?
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:04 AM
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40. She didn't even have a security clearance.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:09 PM
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31. LOL
she acts like he's got a paper route and hasn't been a Senator, just like her.
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:15 PM
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34. Hillary is a fibmonger
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:20 PM
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36. Strom Thurmond had "experience" -- lots of it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:02 AM
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38. So does McCain, says Hillary. n/t


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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:24 PM
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37. Lying about experience trumps winning the nomination.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:45 AM
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41. Bonia?
Is that a new wonder drug or headache medicine? Experience is necessary to lead this nation and required.
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