If Hillary didn't demand proper vetting about the woman in Ohio,

[hedgehog]

what would she do if someone came in and told her that Iraq was building weapons of mass destruction?

[polichick]

1. Decide not to read the NIE??

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. Pa dum da

[jgraz]

3. You guys should take this act on the road

[azmouse]

4. I'd pay to see that.

:7

[Beaverhausen]

5. here

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080407/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_hospital_fact_check

THE FACTS:

Clinton said she heard the story from Meigs County Deputy Sheriff Bryan Holman during a visit to Pomeroy, before the March 4 Ohio primary.

In a March 26 phone interview with The Associated Press, Holman said he had told Clinton the story in essentially the same way she was retelling it in her speeches. He said he knew the Bachtel story only second hand, and lacked several details.

The AP then spoke with Bachtel's aunt, Susie Casto of Middleport, who helped raise the woman. She said Bachtel, who worked at a pizza parlor, did in fact have health insurance when she and her baby died.

But at an earlier time, Casto said, Bachtel lacked health insurance and ran up unpaid bills when treated at a clinic near her home in Middleport. When she returned for treatment when pregnant, the clinic demanded $100 per visit to help retire the outstanding debt, Casto said. Because Bachtel could not afford the fees and found it difficult to travel, her aunt said, she postponed receiving treatment.

Bachtel eventually went to O'Bleness, about 30 miles to the north, for attention.

Casto declined to name the clinics or hospitals involved, and said she felt medical professionals did all they could to save Bachtel and her unborn child.

Pomeroy has about 2,000 residents and two medical clinics. One is affiliated with O'Bleness, the other is the Holzer Clinic, part of a nine-facility chain.

[Crunchy Frog]

6. THE FACTS:

Hillary Clinton did not properly verify the story. Hillary Clinton did not ask the family for permission to use the story. This is the bottom line, and whether certain details of the story turn out to be true or not is immaterial.

Hillary should have treated this family with more respect.

[Beaverhausen]

11. She never named the woman or the hospital in her speeches

How did she not respect them? It was the Washington Post then the Hospital who named the woman.

[Crunchy Frog]

14. The woman was readily identifiable from the information given.

If she wants to use real people's real stories, then she should verify the stories and get the families' permission. If she's going to make up stories out of whole cloth, she should issue a disclaimer similar to that used by the movies. One or the other.

I don't understand why Hillary supporters seem to be so dead set in favor of violating people's privacy in order to advance political goals.

[Beaverhausen]

15. Identifiable to who?

The point is, we need healthcare reform in this country. The point should be the minute details of one person's experience with how fucked up it is.

[Crunchy Frog]

16. Identifiable to the family themselves.

Identifiable to anyone in the community who knew about the situation (I would assume most of them, it's a small community). Identifiable to the health care facilities and providers involved in the case. Identifiable to any intreped reporter willing to dig around in the local obituary notices.

We desperately need health care reform in this country. Putting out unverified unsourced stories, without the permission of the people involved, is not going to help us get there. There are lots and lots of people out there with real, verified horror stories, who are eager to have their stories told. Why is it so impossible to use their stories? Why is it so difficult to respect the privacy of a family that's undergone such a tragedy?

[hedgehog]

7. You mean, here are some of the facts.

First of all, the story told by the deputy sheriff is garbled. He talks about her showing up in labor and being treated to have the labor stop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wqpEt_CdBk&e

Other sources have indicated that there were two clinics in town that handled pre-natal care. Apparently, one clinic requested $100 per visit to pay off an existing bill. Apparently, she did not return to that clinic or go to the other clinic in town. We have no testimony about that. At some later point, she turned up at a clinic 30 miles away. Was that for pre-natal care or was her first visit an emergency because she was in premature labor? Again, none of the sources are clear.

This is not a simple story of a mean hospital turning away a woman in labor because she had no money. My guess based on what little information there is available is that she put off Pre-natal care partly because she'd run up a bill at a local clinic and partly because she didn't have a decent car to drive to the other clinic. Even that isn't clear, because other sources quote an aunt (the same aunt, a different aunt?) as saying that the woman had health insurance or that her boy friend had health insurance or that they had the money etc.


Hillary took a story and tried to milk it for votes without making certain what the facts were and without discussing it with the people directly involved to see if they wanted this story repeated.

[ORDem]

20. Your last line is what it's really all about. HRC has no scruples when it comes

to grabbing something like this to get some cheap tears going.

[blm]

8. Why, she'd call Bill who's playing golf with GHWBush, Baker and Kissinger and have a meeting

about what to do next, just like always.

[emilyg]

9. Story verified as true.

See post under yours.

[hedgehog]

10. There are three or four posts on this story, all referring to different

sources and all with slight variations.

If bloggers could find out this much, why couldn't Hillary have asked a staffer to get names and dates and permission to use the story?

[Beaverhausen]

12. here's the point - healthcare in this country is fucked

stop nitpicking about the little details in her story and work for something positive, will ya?

[eridani]

21. True. Therefore it should have been no problem for her to get a real story--

--solidly vetted and with all the proper permissions lined up. Any of the stars of SiCKO would have been delighted to help, and there are hundreds of thousands like them who would not have minded going public at all. Why pick a random news story without knowing how the victims feel about going public?

[Cha]

13. Not read the 90 page NIE report but

have someone write her a speech on why she was voting to give the bushits authorization to bomb Iraq.

[C_U_L8R]

17. It sure seems silly

that Hillary would recount a woman's story (with all the flourishes)
and never ask who the woman was or speak with her family
to obtain permission and verify the story. That's just simple political common sense.
Judgement 101. Something that seems to be unfortunately in short supply
over at Clinton campaign headquarters.

[TML]

18. Good question

Maybe her answer would be "as far as I know" once she attacked Iraq.

[ORDem]

19. K

:kick: