This Thread Would Be a Great Place for Any Hillary Bashers Who Wish to Apologize

[NashVegas]

For falling for the MSM's bullshit tactics.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/07/clinton_told_true_tale_of_woe.html

The aunt of a young pregnant woman who died after a hospital told her she needed to pay $100 up front for care said in an interview on Monday that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has been telling the story accurately on the campaign trail -- following claims by a different Ohio hospital that it did not turn the patient away.

For weeks, Clinton repeated an anecdote she heard in Ohio on Feb. 28 involving a young woman who lost her baby and later died because she lacked health insurance and did not have $100 to gain access to a nearby hospital.

But over the weekend, Clinton came under fire when officials at O'Bleness Memorial Hospital, after reading about her remarks, demanded that she stop recounting it because the patient, Trina Bechtel, was admitted there and did have insurance.

[cbayer]

1. Don't hold your breath. nt.

[SwampG8r]

96. ill go first

im sorry we ever allowed hillary clinton to access any form of power
and i promise it wont happen again

[JoFerret]

106. Over the dead bodies of the NY voters

Keep your (add your adjectives) tendencies in better check my friend.

[Recursion]

2. Er... sure... this is the media's fault

whatever

[kwenu]

4. I agree. It MUST be the media's fault.

[Liberal Veteran]

3. I apologize...

...for Hillary's mistakes.

[Hepburn]

5. Sorry.....no can do.....

...I am under sniper fire and mad as hell about it...so looking for my book bag that I never had in the 1960s to fling across the room.

Sorry too busy right now! :hi:

[Liberal Veteran]

8. Besides....it wouldn't be right to apologize while sleep deprived.

[Hepburn]

OMG.....

...or while saying a million words a week! The truth is just soooooo confusing!

:hi:

[Yael]

91. A day. A DAY.

Do we need to send you the latest HRC talking points every day (as the narrative changes)?

:P

[PBS Poll-435]

43. I have a bookbag/backpack from the 60s.

Do you not have one?

[PoliticalAmazon]

49. They're well known to stop sniper fire, especially if one is sleep deprived. n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

52. Nah...but they were made of

Real leather or extremely dense fabric. I love the one I got as a gift, and I will cherish it forever.

[emilyg]

94. Actually I do.

[PBS Poll-435]

95. Me too. I will treasure it forever.

[rug]

6. Tell them the word gullible is not in the dictionary.

Count how many check.

[MercutioATC]

7. Actually, the real story is STILL not the story Clinton told.

...so calling for apologies is a little silly.

[MonkeyFunk]

9. they don't care about being duped

They don't care about being wrong. They don't care about lying. They don't care about anything other than destroying Clinton.

[rodeodance]

12. the only thing most care about is smear Hillary.

[Liberal Veteran]

14. She does a pretty good job of that on her own. We just give play by play.

[MonkeyFunk]

22. Nope

you guys latch onto every smear and lie, no matter how baseless, and twist it the worst possible way and magnify it. Just like Republicans did to Bill and Hillary in the 90s, and to Al Gore and John Kerry.

[Liberal Veteran]

27. I don't think you want to relive last night's "Obama is a homophobe" donnybrook.

Partisans in glass houses.

[MonkeyFunk]

31. I've never said he was a homophobe

but I don't repeat vile lies about democrats here. But your side does multiple times every day.

[Liberal Veteran]

35. I think it's fair to say that flames come from both sides.

But the fact that Obama supporters outnumber the Clinton supporters here makes it appear that Clinton supporters are an oppressed minority.

[MonkeyFunk]

39. about 9 to 1 from your side

and they're more outrageous, more blatant, more mean.

If someone believes Obama is a homophobe, that might be stretching it, but there IS evidence that he's less-than-comfortable with gay people, or at least willing to slight them when needed.

But there's another thread here with >100 responses claiming that the Clintons spent $94,000 on cleaning their office. A blatant lie. Just totally, 100% a lie. People here have repeatedly posted that Bill Clinton went on Rush Limbaugh's show - another 100% blatant lie. Those are but two very small examples of what goes on here day in and day out.

I never thought I would see so many DUers become freepers right before my very eyes.

[Liberal Veteran]

59. I never thought I'd see GAY DU'ers defending DADT and DOMA, either.

But damned if I haven't seen it from the Hillary camp.

Or playing the Rezko card (basically the Whitewater fishing expedition sequel) on a daily basis.

Or making blaming Obama for Bill's snide little Jesse Jackson remark (hmmm...so why did he pick Jesse Jackson? Could the common factor have been that they are both male?).

Or making excuses for outright fabrication of the Bosnia story that damaged Clinton's credibility.

Or Hillary's dirty little NAFTA lie (I was always against it! :eye: )

Or Hillary hiring an anti-union bastard as an adviser to her campaign while trying to pretend to be the worker's candidate.

Or the idiocy that was "sweetie gate".

Or the whole "He's responsible for every word Reverend Wright ever said" nonsense.

Or defending CarVILE's over the top Judas bs.

Or taking Michelle Obama's words out of context.

Or the Farrakhan insinuation.

And even now, without any real evidence, you persist in this insinuation that Obama is uncomfortable with gay people when his actual position on gay rights is better than Clinton's.

Don't try to play the injured party in this because like the would-be First Husband said, politics is a rough game and if anything, we've proven that we can be just and tenacious and devoted as the Clinton camp and that is something I will not apologize for, particularly when the other side has been just as nasty.

[MonkeyFunk]

87. when has any gay duer here ever defended DOMA or DADT?

I've never seen it.

I have, though, refused to blame Bill Clinton for Newt Gingrich's bill.

[SwampG8r]

100. thats only

a statistical anomaly
there are 9 times more people supporting her opponent
so a normal response looks huge

[QueenOfCalifornia]

97. "your side"

That is pretty funny.

Vile lies. I'm sure it happens all the time.

It should not be coming from a woman running for president.

Mrs. Clinton has repeated some pretty big whoppers and has been caught. Does that effect how any of her supporters see her? I have had problems with candidates of my choice and have discussed how much I dislike aspects of their personalities and some things they have done. I do not think that recognizing a fault is a defect but an awareness of a persons behavior. Blind indifference is not a very attractive character trait.

[SwampG8r]

98. "every smear and lie"

are you finally admitting she is in fact a liar
its vague but i think you are

[PoliticalAmazon]

50. You must be kidding. She torpedos her own campaign nearly every day. n/t

[JoFerret]

108. There is an obsessive quality

to the need to smear.

It will be interesting (or rather disgusting) to watch the gloating and glee should Obama gain the nomination.
And my guess is that the smearing and attacks on Hillary will continue - although not quite so virulently. but every now and again - they just won't be able to stop themselves.

And maybe then - if the campaign unfolds that way - their will be too many tempting opportunities for Obama detractors and they will toss in the odd snipe and point out that Hillary would have been the better candidate to take on McCain. (She undoubtedly IS btw.)

With Hillary leading the party it would be a sure fire groundbreaking win in November.

[Auntie Bush]

42. They don't even care about the Rev. Wright story!

The story that might turn all those Indies and Rethugs off that voted for Obama in the primaries. Dems and Obama fans may have forgotten but when Hannity gets through publishing more videos during the GE...they will wake up and see we have a little problem. The Rethugs want Obama to win...that's why they are holding back on the videos. He can't hold a candle to J. McCain's military experience and we can count on another terrorist threat just in time for the election.

[americanstranger]

55. You think those Indies and Repubs don't know about Wright already?

What do you, think it's gonna be some big surprise when the GOP rolls it out for an encore?

It amazes me to think that after Hannity and CNN and MSNBC pumped that story non-stop for a week, after talk radio and newspapers all over the country covered it for day, and after Obama gave a major addess dealing with it, there would be a single politically-aware person in America that hasn't already heard it.

Y'all are acting like it's gonna be some big new thing to people. I hate to break this to you, but it isn't.

- as

[Auntie Bush]

77. I hate to break this to you but....

I know that. Hannity bought the tapes of all his sermons and he has plenty more videos of shocking comments that we haven't seen yet. He's just wet our appetite and more will be put out for the media to chew on during the GE. I am really fearful of this happening and is one of the reasons I'm glad Hillary is hanging in there. By the way... Hannity won't put any more out now because they want to run against Obama...they really fear that fighter named Hillary. Bill and Hill beat them twice plus the impeachment...what make them think they can beat her now...they can't.

[americanstranger]

83. And I take it you have proof of this.

You knowthat Hannity has more that he didn't show, is that right?

Care to share where you found this out? Got a link to back it up?

I'd like to see this if you don't mind sharing. Thanks!

- as

[Auntie Bush]

90. Sorry, no link. You'll have to do your own Google.

It was discussed on TV the week the tape were exposed. I also heard it on Hannity when I turned him on because I couldn't take all the Hillary bashing on MSNBC and CNN. There is only so much one can take without turning the channel. Frankly it was a relief and I find I often have no other choice. He has hours of more tapes in his dirty little hands. No one has heard them yet so I don't know what they will expose...maybe nothing... believe it or not at your own peril. I'm frankly worried.

PS. Wright sold the tapes to Hannity.

[leftynyc]

117. You're being very naive if you think

you've seen the last of the Rev Wright story. The pubs are salivating and the thought of tying the democratic nominee to an "anti-American" preacher. One who thinks the US government created the AIDS virus to genocide the blacks. The 527 ads practically write themselves and the indies will respond just like the pubs hope they will. They aren't going to care about all the social good that the church has done, the military service the Rev Wright has under his belt - there will be no context. All they're going to see is a "scary black man" saying goddamn America and the fact that Sen Obama refuses to denounce him.

The only people that are paying attention now are the political animals. The general population will start really tuning in during the conventions. History has proven that over and over.

[JoFerret]

110. Are there more videos?

I did see a church road sign last Sunday that read:

"God's last name is not Damn"

[Cali_Democrat]

67. Must destroy babies! Must destroy Hillary supporters! Must destroy Bill!!

Must Destroy Hillary Clinton!!!



BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[tekisui]

10. I'm sorry Hillary let us down

with a horribly run campaign. Why did you keep, and still keep Penn?

I had hope in Hillary. I am sorry she proved to be a poor head of a campaign.

[anonymous171]

11. I didn't go after her on this one. So no apologies.

[Liberal Veteran]

13. Neither did I. I was too busy defending Obama from the sniper fire of "sweetiegate".

:D

[C_U_L8R]

15. I'm sorry Hillary never vetted the story

or ask the family's permission
or even inquired WHO this woman might be.

[PBS Poll-435]

45. When the chief law-enforcement officer of a locality tells you a story

you should be able to take it to the bank.

[anigbrowl]

53. Deputies, by definition, are not the chief law enforcement officers of a locality

plus being a police officer does not confer magic powers of accuracy, unfortunately.

[PBS Poll-435]

57. I thought that I saw Sheriff

I could be wrong, however.

What doesn't change is this is not a criminal case, but a local tragedy. Even a Deputy Sheriff should be trustworthy enough about a non-criminal matter to be able to share that story with others.

[C_U_L8R]

56. Apparently Hillary tried to take it to the bank.

If you were this young woman's parents or husband, wouldn't you be
a little upset if Hillary never asked you for permission before shooting
her mouth off and insensitively telling your daughter's/wife's story
to the entire world (no matter how factually incorrect she got it) ???

Very simply Hillary did not ask. And I don't believe she cared.

[PBS Poll-435]

61. I think she cares.

You may not. This is one subject where I know she would not say something she knew might be incorrect.

[C_U_L8R]

66. She may but she didn't care enough to ask.

Certainly Hillary uses this woman's story to serve her political agenda
but she didn't care enough to even ask her name. Nice.

I don't know what part of this story is more tragic.

[PBS Poll-435]

69. That is so sad

So Hillary IS a monster. She is just an oportunistic bitch, isn't she? Tell me how you really feel.

[C_U_L8R]

71. All she had to do was ask.

Is that so hard to do?

it's not monstrous at all... it's just insensitive and self-serving.

[PBS Poll-435]

74. Health Care

Especially Women's & Children's health care is her platform. When the Deputy Sheriff tells you a story about how the system fucked over someone that didn't deserve it, I would think that is proper "vetting."

[C_U_L8R]

76. We're going in circles.. lets just agree that we disagree :-))

I just don't believe some deputy sheriff speaks for her family
any more than he speaks for you or me. That may be okay with you
and that's fine. I just have a big problem with it and if it were my daughter
I would feel like Hillary Clinton violated the sanctity of our family's mourning
for her own political gain. I know you don't feel that way... so here we are :-))
Thanks. It's good we talk about these things. It's important.

[PBS Poll-435]

78. I agree to disagree. And I am glad that you are on our side!

Whoever wins the nomination, the Republicans have no idea what is in store for them in 6 1/2 short months!!

[C_U_L8R]

79. You can say that again !!!!!

Can't wait to engage the republicans !!

[PBS Poll-435]

81. At least all of this has been

REALLY GOOD Practice!

:toast:

[SwampG8r]

101. and hillary thought it proper "vetting"also

so you were both wrong?

[Crunchy Frog]

82. Probably not a very sound policy.

Always best to get independent confirmation. Even a sheriff's deputy can get a story garbled sometimes.

[PBS Poll-435]

84. She wasn't pursing an indictment or an arrest.

Maybe she should have been a little more careful, but she sure as hell didn't lie.

[DrFunkenstein]

16. I Always Thought This Story Was Second Hand

From the little I paid attention to this story, it seemed that Clinton got the story from someone who told it to her on the campaign trail. That seems to fall on the guy telling her the story, not Clinton.

However, that doesn't really explain her IWR vote or her public support for the neo-cons con man Ahmed Chalabi, for whom her campaign strategist Mark Penn lobbied.

I think the sniper story was eye-rolling, but hardly a disqualifier. It is her policy decisions that bother me much more.

[DearAbby]

17. Forgive me Hillary....for I have sinned.

:crosses self three times: In the name of Mamma Clinton, Papa Clinton and Baby Chelsea. Forgive me for I have sinned the great sin of not believing in the great Mamma Clinton.

I will say 40 Hail Hillary's...


Wait a minute, I didnt post in any of the Pregnant woman threads...





nevermind.

[boston bean]

33. so you now you have posted in one, quite snarkily to boot. nt

[tishaLA]

18. I never "bashed" her on this one.

I don't think I wrote a word about it one way or the other. I often leave these tempests in teapots alone.

[boston bean]

37. only necessary to say they did it not me, instead of something of meaning.

[grantcart]

19. many of us were never duped - it was a true story and happens every day

somewhere in America. If the details were a little off then there is another story just like it down the road.

30,000 die each year because they don't have the right health insurance.

kuddos for Hillary for bringing it up. Too bad she has so damaged her credibility that everything she says will be over analyzed.


More importantly knowing the policies isn't going to get the change that is needed. Obama is going to mobilize the national will that is necessary to get it passed.

[rodeodance]

23. yes, I saw your posts on this issue. Thank you

[Recursion]

112. It's troubling because the facts were specifically a situation her plan wouldn't help

What do you think is going to happen when people can't pay for the health insurance she wants to make them buy? Or owe bills already to the insurer?

[kwenu]

20. I'm sorry Hillary that your campaign is in such disarray and that you lost a 20+ point lead in PA.

[Bensthename]

34. That is truly amazing isn't it?

[berni_mccoy]

21. I'm sorry Clinton lost all credibility with the Bosnian Sniper lie.

[Liberal Veteran]

24. She didn't lie! Stop saying that.

She speaks millions of words a day it's no wonder that when someone speaks so much they might create an entirely coherent story by misspeaking.

I'm an instructor at work and one time I was really tired and before I knew it, I had recited the entire King James Version of the Bible with me as Paul of Tarsus!

Shit happens.

[berni_mccoy]

41. She misspoke this same exact story many times. On video tape. Yeah.

She is a pathological liar.

[Liberal Veteran]

64. I was being facetious.

I thought the "entire King James Version of the Bible" would be a giveaway.

[PoliticalAmazon]

58. That's nothing. Once when filling in for the Pope at a Vatican...

...Easter Service, I recited the entire Lord of the Rings Trilogy in pig-latin. These things happen. Move along. Nothing to see here.

[Zachstar]

25. You know when you set up things for apologies they usually mean little.

Then again I think yall are more after trying to twist this into some kind of ego and points thing and away from the fact that Clinton is getting double damage because she did nothing and did not raise hell when supposedly a lie was told in the media.

[Cheap_Trick]

26. the sound of crickets is deafening n/t

[hfojvt]

28. This here HHHer did not bash her for that story

So I will take a pass on the apology.

[Liberal Veteran]

32. Didn't you get the memo? Obama supporters are a monolithic cult.

Therefore, if you support Obama, you are responsible for everything anyone who supports Obama says.

[PoliticalAmazon]

60. Oh, come on. We are Democrats. We could never be that organized. n/t

[boston bean]

29. They could give two shits less, they are busy looking for the next faux outrage as we speak.

The media ought to be ashamed of themselves once again. They are the ones who should really be vetting a story.

Fuck them and the horse they rode in on.

[PoliticalAmazon]

62. Pardon? It's the MEDIA who should be vetting Hillary Clinton's stories for her? n/t

[Bensthename]

30. I would like to send you some cash. What is your address?

[Crunchy Frog]

36. I do NOT wish to apologize.

It doesn't matter if some of the details happened to be true. The bottom line is that Hillary used a story about somebody's personal tragedy in her stump speech without verifying the details of the story, and without getting permission from the family. In so doing, she caused additional pain to the family, she cast suspicion on a hospital that had done nothing wrong, she brought discredit to her campaign, but worse than that, she brought discredit to the whole campaign to reform healthcare in this country.

Shooting in the dark and hoping you accidently get some of the details right is no way for a presidential campaign to handle this sort of thing, and I will NOT apologize for saying so.

[NashVegas]

44. Hillary Did Nothing to Cause Their Pain

Casto said she has been stunned by the amount of negative attention her niece's story generated, and that she was sorry it had hurt the Clinton campaign. She was, and is, she said, a supporter. "Did I vote for Hillary?" she said. "You'd better bet I did."

It was WaPo that leaked the name of the deceased, as well as incorrectly naming the hospital that wanted the $100 up front.

I admit that starting this thread was indeed a little obnoxious. I wanted to see who, if any, of those who went to town on ANOTHER HILLARY LIE!!!!! just might have the courage to say, "yeah, we did get a little out of hand there ..."

[rodeodance]

89. Live in your hate world --that is your problem

[whatchamacallit]

38. I'm sorry

you still cling to the horrible idea of Hillary as president.

[L0oniX]

40. I am sorry .....that I haven't bashed her enough!

[AX10]

46. I doubt you will get any apologies from..

Obamanation.

[rodeodance]

51. unfortuately--this thread is an opportunity for most to continue to mock or smear her.

[AX10]

54. This elitist attitude...

is going to be one of the things to come back to haunt Obama if he is the nominee in the fall.

[PoliticalAmazon]

65. "Elitist"? BWA-HA! Spoken like a true Republican!...

...That's what the Republicans and Bush Jr toadies call Democrats when we criticize Bush/Cheney for all of their crimes and failures.

Get a clue. Take your anger to the source of this problem: Hillary Clinton. She has run this campaign with all of the evilness of Karl Rove but with NONE of the organization and efficiency.

She has actually given us the worst of both worlds: the ruthless evil of Karl Rove and the incredible fuck-ups of a poorly run Democratic candidate campaign.

[AX10]

68. I'm an independent.

You will need people like me to win in the fall.
That goes for both sides.

[PoliticalAmazon]

80. "Elitist" is a criticism that GOPers use against Democrats. It's untrue...

...and ignorant, as is your claim that Obama supporters are "elitists."

Who in the freaking hell made $109million?

[rodeodance]

88. anyone can use the word elilist. You look foolish.

[americanstranger]

47. I got nothing to apologize for.

I didn't say a word about this story.

- as

[bridgit]

48. We're So Sorry, Uncle Albert...

We're So Sorry If We Caused You Any Pain
We're So Sorry, Uncle Albert
But There's No One Left At Home
And I Believe I'm Gonna Rain

We're So Sorry, But We Haven't Heard A Thing All Day
We're So Sorry, Uncle Albert
But If Anything Should Happen We'll Be Sure To Give A Ring

We're So Sorry, Uncle Albert
But We Haven't Done A Bloody Thing All Day
We're So Sorry, Uncle Albert
But The Kettle's On The Boil And We're So Easily Called Away

Hand Across The Water (Water)
Heads Across The Sky
Hand Across The Water (Water)
Heads Across The Sky
Admiral Halsey Notified Me
He Had To Have A Berth Or He Couldn't Get To Sea
I Had Another Look And I Had A Cup Of Tea And Butter Pie

(The Butter Wouldn't Melt So I Put It In The Pie)
Hand Across The Water (Water)
Heads Across The Sky
Hand Across The Water (Water)
Heads Across The Sky
Live A Little Be A Gypsy, Get Around(Get Around)
Get Your Feet Up Off The Ground
Live A Little, Get Around
Live A Little Be A Gypsy, Get Around(Get Around)
Get Your Feet Up Off The Ground
Live A Little, Get Around

Hand Across The Water (Water)
Heads Across The Sky
Hand Across The Water (Water)
Heads Across The Sky

[Life Long Dem]

63. I never fell for MSM in the first place. This one slipped through the internet too fast.

[NashVegas]

119. Good For You

I wish more would have a little more skepticism from the tribe that dragged a future Nobel Prize winner through their shit.

[PlanetBev]

70. Apologize????

HELL!
:grr:

[zulchzulu]

72. So many Hillary Clinton lies...this one was merely an exploitive half-truth

A comment says it perfectly from the link:

"But so is Clinton's claim that Bechtel did not get care at another hospital that wanted a $100 pre-payment before seeing her, "

That turns out to be true, but Clinton DID NOT say that. She repeatedly said that the woman "went back a third time" to the same hospital.

[KoKo]

73. Problem is the MSM HYPED IT ALL DAY...the Retraction will be slow to follow.

What's being done to Hillary is what was done to Gore in 2000.. They made him out to be a LIAR...inventing internet...all that stuff. It was never refuted. Let's hope this one get's a retraction. I'm not a Hillary supporter (nor Obama) but I can see what's being done to her and it's wrong.

[lastliberalintexas]

92. And it will be done to Obama as well after he

(likely) wins the nomination. I'm not sure when our side started trusting the corporate media again, but I guess the answer is when it became convenient to bash the other guy's candidate. :shrug:

[NashVegas]

120. I Saw Nothing in the NYT This Morning

Quelle surprise.

[DLnyc]

75. I'm sorry.

I never actually bought into the outrage, but I'm sorry more here can't put down the hatchet for two seconds and admit that not every single thing Hillary does is evil. And I'm sorry I can't express more clearly why this thread depresses me.

I've been, and still am, an Obama supporter. Sometimes it's hard to support some of his supporters, though.

[jbm]

85. thank you for this post...n/t

.

[leftynyc]

118. No need to support his supporters

Some of them are assholes.

[NashVegas]

121. I Appreciate You Writing That

And hope you won't have to watch your candidate get "Gored" by the press, as well.

[cboy4]

86. *********CRICKETS*********

Just like when you ask if they'll support Hillary Clinton if she should happen to be the nominee.

Lots of hate.

[americanstranger]

99. Oh, bullshit.

I've seen plenty of Obama supporters here say they'd vote for the Democrat, no matter who it was. Myself included.

Just because people aren't apologizing is no reason to go pouting.

as I mentioned upthread, some of us didn't even criticize Clinton for this. I guess that doesn't matter to you.

- as

[cboy4]

105. Bullshit is right.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

[DerekJ]

109. here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5399794&mesg_id=5403695


Whether or not the story is true, I don't give a fuck.

[Sinistrous]

93. Any links to what Mrs. Clinton actually said regarding this woman?

The article linked in the OP states that the pregnant woman never actually went to the first hospital because they had sent her a letter regarding her unpaid bill and that she went directly to the second hospital where she was admitted and had her stillborn baby.

From the cited article:

Casto said her niece, who suffered from preeclampsia during her pregnancy, did not seek care at the first hospital she when she fell ill because she knew she did not have the $100 out-of-pocket she believed she would need to be seen. Instead, she went to O'Bleness Memorial Hospital, where her baby was stillborn. Bechtel was later flown to Columbus and died there. She was 35.

I admit I may have been duped by a mis-characterization of Mrs. Clinton's statement, but, throughout this whole brouhaha, I was under the impression that the claim was that the pregnant woman WENT to the first hospital and died as a result of being refused care.

The key to this discussion is the precise phrasing used by Mrs. Clinton in her speeches. If she said or implied that the woman WENT to the first hospital and was refused care, then the opprobrium she has received is warranted. If she said or implied something different, please advise.

[Sinistrous]

115. Asking for help here, Folks!

What did Mrs. Clinton actually say?

[Sinistrous]

116. I see pointing out that Mrs. Clinton's lie is still a lie is too much for her claque.

Now that I have your attention: What exactly were Mrs. Clinton's words when she told the denial-of-care story in her speeches.

[NashVegas]

122. I'm Sure You Know Where To Find It

This thread is not for debating, AFAIC.

[Sinistrous]

123. No. I cannot find a primary source for her comments.

I checked the first 200 or so of the 790,000 Google responses on the topic and did not find any that I found credible.

And as far as "This thread is not for debating", threads on DU evolve many ways. It is not for you to dictate the purpose of a thread. I raised valid points about your premise, i.e. that the story was true and the statements by Mrs Clinton were accurate, which they were not.

You are contributing to the perception that facts, logic, and truth have no place neither in the Clinton campaign nor among her supporters. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Sinistrous

[Beacool]

102. They can save their breath!!

I have no interest in what a bunch of haters have to say about Hillary, one way or the other.

On this board she's treated far worse than McCain. So, who cares what they have to say? I simply tune them out.

[Raine]

103. Nope

cause I never bashed her over that one. I'm still bashing her over the sniper fire, which she lied about.

[Name removed]

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[Perry Logan]

107. This always happens. The people who call Hillary a liar are liars.

[Political Heretic]

114. Yeah, because the video of her taking sniper fire and frantically running for cover

definitely backs up what she said - in explicit detail - four times over a period of months.

[Bongo Prophet]

111. I am not a basher, never posted on this subject, would vote for her if she gets the nom.

There are millions more of us Obama supporters who are not bashers, who did not think this was an outrage and would vote for her if she is the democratic nominee.
To take the tiny subsection of Obama supporters here who may have done so is an inaccurate sample, in my opinion, and does not warrant the broad brush denunciations and insults that I see here...

I say the same thing to supporters of either candidate.
Just something to consider.

[Political Heretic]

113. I don't apologize for telling inconvenient truths.

I didn't jump on this story ever, because it was one where misspeaking was plausible, so I've got nothing to apologize for.

There are enough outright pure lies coming out of the Clinton campaign to discuss - there's not need to get into this petty stuff.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

124. OK, I apolo.....what? Wait!!! Everybody down. Snipers!!!!!!!!! Rat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat!!!

Whew, close one. Where was I? Oh, yeah, I apolo....what? Shook MLK's hand? WOW!!!!! Huh? Always hated NAFTA? Cool!


(No breaks on a half-truth when the cupboard's full of stewed bullcrap.)