In the hard support of the Wilsons and Larry Johnson's support of Hillary

[mmonk]

versus whistleblowers of the NSA, FBI and others seemingly opposed to Hillary Clinton's bid, is there something out there we should wonder about? This has me wondering has anything been missed? Or should we just take it like we would anybody else choosing sides?

[merh]

1. It bothers the hell out of me

but I feel like the whistleblowers have a true interest and that the Wilsons and Johnson have a loyalty thing - not knowing the Clinton's personally makes a huge difference, imho.

[mmonk]

5. I'm glad I'm not the only one it bothers.

I felt alone.

[merh]

23. Maybe the "support"

has to do with better to deal with the devil you know - or just plain loyalty, like so many of the clinton supporters. They just can't fathom that the clintons haven't had the nation's best interests in mind, to crush a ideal, a reason for loyalty, a certainty, can be more devastating than a death - to learn you have been fooled. We put folks on pedastals and because we put them there, we hate to have anyone knock them off.

Edmonds and the other whistle blowers are who I trust, they have no loyalties or friendships to perserve or protect.

[leftofcool]

2. Well Johson worked for the CIA and has access to some info

no doubt. I suggest you read all the articles on the No Quarter site and judge for yourself. Johnson is not stupid and I doubt he would write anything he couldn't back up

[babylonsister]

3. Is there proof that whistleblowers of the NSA, FBI and others

are opposed to Clinton? I don't know about Joe Wilson, but I think Larry Johnson has bigger racial issues. I have no problem with people supporting who they want, but when they get really creepy doing it, then I do have a problem.

[Cooley Hurd]

6. Larry's attacks on Randi Rhodes definitely borders on creepy...

:scared:

[leftofcool]

7. They are not opposed to Clinton as far as I can tell

reading some of Larry's info suggest this, but you have to judge for yourself

[mmonk]

8. Here's some.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_sibel_ed_060828_senator_hillary_clin.htm

[merh]

10. Hillary is listed on the Dirty Dozen List

http://nswbc.org/DirtyDozen/Interview-Re-DirtyDozen.htm

And yeah, Johnson is a racist.

[butterfly77]

26. I also thought I interpreted a bit of racial issues...

with Johnson as well, he seems very angry..

[Cooley Hurd]

4. I get the sense that the Wilson's support of Clinton is more of a social bond...

...than a political one (the cocktail parties in Georgetown, et al), and Larry's support comes with his close friendship with Valerie Wilson.

[CTyankee]

9. I agree with that assessment. I read both Joe and Valerie's books.

Joe had an exciting time organizing (successfully) Bill Clinton's presidential trip to AFrica. It was such a triumph, Joe cannothelp feeling good about it. Bill Clinton gave him that opportunity. There must be a bond after that.

I know little about Larry Johnson except what you reference, his CIA friendship with Valerie. Comradeship in such a high tension atmosphere had to be deep and lasting.

All too human, IMO...

[mmonk]

14. I still remember the public attack on Sibel by Johnson

following the Giraldi article. The timing still remains a suspicious part of my thinking I can't let go.

[H2O Man]

28. Timing is everything. n/t

[CTyankee]

11. I agree.

Joe had an exciting time organizing (successfully) Bill Clinton's presidential trip to AFrica. It was such a triumph, Joe cannothelp feeling good about it. Bill Clinton gave him that opportunity. There must be a bond after that.

I know little about Larry Johnson except what you reference, his CIA friendship with Valerie. Comradeship in such a high tension atmosphere had to be deep and lasting.

All too human, IMO...

[mmonk]

20. Can one (given their standing) make the support positive

instead of viral?

[mtnsnake]

12. It shouldn't be that hard for you guys to figure it out. The Wilsons know who the best candidate is

It's as simple as that.

Plus, they're too smart to buy into the way that the media is spinning this campaign. They know how to use their own heads to make a decision. You guys should try it some time.

[babylonsister]

13. Opinions are

like assholes, hon. We all have one. Joe Wilson's opinion may or may not be be valid; Larry Johnson's isn't because of the way he's chosen to express it.

[mtnsnake]

15. Did I say anything about valid or about the Johnsons?

:wtf:

[babylonsister]

16. Were you responding to the OP?

:wtf: Yes, I noticed you conveniently left Johnson out when chastising us all for not thinking like Wilson. :eyes:

[mtnsnake]

17. Nice bit of spinnerama ya got going there, sis

[babylonsister]

18. And nice bit of deflection from your own self there, skippy. nt

[dionysus]

24. hey thereeeeee, mtnsnake, there's another candidate you should try...

there's no need to run and hide...
can't you seee it won't be hillary, and DU could seee, a new mtnsnake...





:hi:

[mtnsnake]

25. %!X*#!%x@#!

Jesus h balls its bad enouogh you gotta do the song but now you gotta post a picture of it, too?? :puke:


yeah yeah, :hi:

[bigtree]

19. Wilson has spoken and written on his endorsement several times

I don't understand the attempt to push all of that very public advocacy aside and look for some hidden motive just because someone else has come out for a Democratic candidate in this race between senators with very similar records.

Questioning the motives of the Wilsons and dismissing and ignoring their words is what administration critics did to the Wilsons when they called out Bush for his lies and treachery.

[mmonk]

21. Because of the nature of attacks on Obama.

Are you saying there's no such thing as positive support? Many supporters of Obama did so without out of the blue attacks on Hillary Clinton.

[bigtree]

22. no, these folks make their choices and tell us why. We should respect what they say

and measure their words by examining their record and conduct.

[H2O Man]

27. I think that Ambassador Wilson

supports Senator Clinton for several reasons. Among them is that she provided support behind the scenes for the Wilsons. It is one of several strong points that, even as an Obama supporter, I recognize that Senator Clinton has.

Robert Kennedy, Jr., also supports Senator Clinton. He does so because of his relationship with her in the context of environmental issues. She has a solid background there.

I admire Wilson and Kennedy. They endorsed Senator Clinton relatively early, and I think that is fine. I don't agree with everything they say. They wouldn't expect anyone to.

I'd also note that Wilson was not a democrat for the majority of his adult life. Nothing wrong with becoming a democrat later in life -- beats the heck out of remaining a republican.

[dansolo]

29. There is a difference

I don't recall Kennedy ever attacking Obama, while Wilson's attacks were childish.

[H2O Man]

30. I agree with that.

Valid point.