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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:45 AM
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Obama opens mouth and inserts foot
According to an account posted online on The Huffington Post, Obama was answering a question about what he would look for in a running mate if he wins the nomination. "I would like somebody who knows about a bunch of stuff that I'm not as expert on," he replied. "I think a lot of people assume that might be some kind of military thing to make me look more commander-in-chief-like. Ironically, this is an area -- foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain."

Clinton took exception when asked about the comment while making the rounds of the morning TV shows in advance of the long-awaited testimony today by General David Petraeus, the top US commander in Iraq, and Ambassador Ryan Crocker, the top US diplomat.

She laughed, actually, before responding on Fox News. "Well I’m somewhat shocked by that since I don’t see any evidence of it," she said. "This is kind of hard to square with his failure to ever have a single policy hearing on the only responsibility he was given, chairing the European and NATO subcommittee the foreign relations committee.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/04/obama_foreign_p.html
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:46 AM
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1. "She laughed, actually, before responding on Fox News."
All you need to know.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:51 AM
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9. Exactly.
Once again, why does anyone still pay attention to what she has to say?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:37 AM
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49. Hillary just nailed Obama's feet squarely to the floor.
Obama is beginning to sound more like Bush every day.. dunce in waiting..
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:49 AM
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61. She's a snot. What evidence does SHE have? SNIPER FIRE?
Has Obama ever hit her with that? No. He isn't the same level of slime she is.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:02 AM
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70. Face it.. Obama is an arrogant, stumbling sham of a politician..
and in no way qualified to be the Dem nominee, nevermind the next President.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #70
77. I'm in the throng of folks who find him inspiring.
You and HilLIARy should take a long cold look in a mirror.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:48 PM
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101. And Obama's Pastor inspired him..
so thats where you're at!

no thanks!
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #101
119. Yes, I take truth wherever it is regardless of color.
I can see you're not there.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #119
121. I can as well..
Hate in any color does not represent the Truth to me.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:36 PM
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123. War sympathizers belong in the HilLIARy camp. You're in the right place.
If you disagree with Wright, you must agree that government policies, including bombing Iraq, are the right way to go.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:01 AM
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131. I disagree with you and Wright.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:34 AM
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80. We all can spot a sham on our own thanks! Want to play "I spy"?
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 11:34 AM by izzybeans
I spy a sham.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:22 PM
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111. Your delusions aside, your candidate's a proven liar.
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 03:23 PM by Zhade
NT!

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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #70
124. will you keep your sham of a website open after Hillary gets kicked to the curb?
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #61
104. Don't forget voting for the Iraq war. That's another example of her foreign policy expertise. n/t
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 05:55 PM
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120. She wants WAR WITH IRAN. THAT's what her *experience* will give us.
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 05:57 PM by votesomemore
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:13 PM
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107. Whatever makes you feel better.
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WVRevy Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:29 PM
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115. Really? And how many committee meetings has Hillary attended in the same timeframe?
Answer: ZERO

Oh...wait...maybe they didn't serve tea and crumpets, so she couldn't be bothered to attend?

:banghead:
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pettypace Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:13 PM
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122. Obama is a dunce like Bush?
Tullarian, you have just posted the most asinine comment regarding the man I've read to date.

Congrats, big dog.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:55 AM
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20. Did she laugh before voting for the Iraq War Resolution? Clintons are comical.
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 09:56 AM by polpilot
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:41 AM
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51. She laughed as the bullets were whizzing overhead
n/t
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clevbot Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:45 AM
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56. works everytime
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:00 AM
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26. We'll see who's laughing at the convention Hillary. Here's a hint: it won't be you!
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:03 AM
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30. Cackle! Cackle! Cackle!
On FOX 'News'!!!

Ahem ... Iraq War Resolution ... pro-NAFTA ... Tuzla ...

Really.

She's become a total embarrassment to herself -- and her party.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:35 AM
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47. Elect ANYONE with Bubba's background, store your boxed set of The Beverly Hillbillies,
get the popcorn, and settle in. IT WON'T END.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:57 AM
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66. KICK!
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:18 PM
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129. How could she possibly pass up being crucified on MSNGE?
:shrug:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:47 AM
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2. IWR Hillary, IWR.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:57 AM
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Ha! Ha! Ha! Bubba just signed NAFTA. Funny stuff!
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:57 AM
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22. Learn to run a campaign Hillary, then worry about criticizing the eventual Democratic nominee.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:48 AM
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3. Another flabby nonsequitur from Mrs. Clinton. n/t
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:49 AM
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4. How exactly was he inserting his foot in his mouth
with that? Can you explain your post title a bit?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:51 AM
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10. I'll tell why, because he was being honest, a trait some of the other candidates don't have /nt
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:38 AM
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81. EXACTLY-
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:52 AM
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14. by claiming he has more foreign policy experience
than Senators Clinton and McCain. And his travels to Pakistan to stay with friends and family will generate a right wing response also.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:02 AM
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29. He didn't say he had more EXPERIENCE. He said he UNDERSTOOD IT BETTER
Or can you NOT READ !!!!??
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:10 AM
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38. Reading comprehension
So he has less Foreign Policy experience than either Senators Clinton or McCain but he understands Foreign Policy better than either of those two. Sounds like Senator Obama all right.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:42 AM
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53. Just being there for 50 years doesn't mean you have a better grasp of the problem
Shrub has been there for 8 years now and is still clueless.

Experience does not = understanding.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:43 PM
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93. He does
The other two led us into the greatest military blunder of this nation's history. Obama didn't.

They make horrendous mistakes and have the gall to say they are experts in foreign affairs....I call bullshit.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:52 PM
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125. I second the call!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #38
113. ANOTHER LIE. He didn't say he understands FP better, he said he understands the world better.
At least be honest in your criticism. You're lying as much as your candidate.

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lefty from jersey Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:15 AM
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40. Calm down Obama

Slow down, easy boy. Here is how you can blow it Obama. Don't start believing the adoring crowds. You can not sell the experience or better judgement on foreign policy story to 51% of the electorate. It is not going to sell.

Look dude, you are in the 4th quarter; sit on the ball and run out the clock. One thing at a time. You will have plenty of time to get a spanking from grandpa. And you will get a spanking if you go down this road.

You DO NOT have a strong position on foreign policy. Go find a VP that does. "Don't out kick the coverage."
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kmsarvis Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #40
126. "Slow down,easy BOY"?
WHAT AN OBNOXIOUS POST.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #14
36. Dude, you are a joke, STFU.
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lefty from jersey Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:42 AM
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86. The joke
The joke will be on Obama. He will not sell foreign policy experience to the electorate in November. If they are looking for a small time political hack backed by some real big political hacks he will win in a landslide.

Come the time of the GE, Americans will get real nervous about giving the job of Commander in Chief to a guy with zero experience. It is all fun and games now because Obama is a novelty and a way of blowing off steam at the establishment, but before America gives Obama the keys to the car he is going to have to show more than bluster and a nice speech.

Many people are voting for Obama right now because they get to blow off steam and there are no consequences at the moment. They are not going to let him drive.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #86
98. Yes, they will decide to give to the most polarizing figure to the republicans and independents,
with the highest negatives. If his chances are slim, her chances are none.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #86
109. Remind me again of the policy experience of the current occupant of the WH prior to going to DC?
What about ZERO.

Your argument doesn't hold up.

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kmsarvis Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #86
127. "NO CONSEQUENCES AT THE MOMENT"?
DUDE,YOU ARE FULL OF HOT AIR.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #14
112. STOP. LYING. That's not what he said. At all.
NT!

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #4
72. It came across as amatuerish
and didn't exactly inspire confidence.

Not everything the man says is going to be eloquent- though unfortunately, that's the expectation.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:49 AM
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5. She laughed - hahaha
Only 4000 American soldiers dead and tens of thousands of Iraqis. Hahaha.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:49 AM
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6.  Hillary does know alot about voting for war!
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:54 AM
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16. And Obama knows a lot about funding it
Who knows how he would have voted were he in the Senate at the time.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:24 AM
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44. My two nephews in Iraq, my family and friends are glad Senator Obama funded it.
Bring them home, NOW!

I've heard all the arguments, and I don't believe for one second that not funding this debacle would bring our troops home any sooner. There are other/better ways to stop this shit.
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:54 AM
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62. good point
I hope your Nephews get home safe and sound.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #62
91. Thank you very much.



Peace:thumbsup:
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:43 AM
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55. The best you can do is guess, and there's a 50% chance you would be wrong.
With Hillary, no guessing is needed, since she voted for the war.

That's a fact. No guesswork involved.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:50 AM
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7. Like it or not she and mccain both voted for the IWR and the use of cluster bombs
in civilian areas.

That shows a lack of poor judgement in itself

getting us into this war based on a lie is obscene

Over 20 Democrats and 1 republican knew that this was a fraud, and if she would have understood the War Powers Act, she would have realized that vote for the IWR undid the check and balances that the War Powers Act provided

I know what Clinton and mccain have done, they have already demononstrated it


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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:52 AM
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15. And Obama funded the war also
all guilty
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #15
18. Hint: Think PRIOR to placing fingers on keyboard. n/t
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:56 AM
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21. Big difference. Once the troops have been committed by those who should have known better
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 09:57 AM by still_one
you cannot leave them ill-equiped, even though they are getting substandard protection

You should NEVER have gotten them in the situation in the first place. It isn't the funding, it is getting them out now, that counts

Incidently, though I am critisizing your candidate, if she wins the nomination, I will vote for her without hesitation in the general election against mccain




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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:58 AM
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23. Funding the war at the stages he did was probably a smart foreign policy strategy.
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:01 AM
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27. Obama not in Senate to vote for or against IWR
SO who knows how he would have voted. His big name Senate supporters also voted aye on IWR, does that taint their endorsement or is this selective outrage?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:04 AM
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32. Thats why his supporters wouldnt make as good a President as Obama
He was against the war from the start and correctly predicted what would happen in Iraq as a result of invasion, no matter what you say.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:46 AM
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58. His senate supporters aren't running for president.
And all you can do is speculate about how he might have voted. With Hillary Clinton, no speculation is necessary. She voted for the war, and she gets to be held responsible for it.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:47 AM
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59. And they know they were wrong
Kerry, Rockefeller, Dodd - they will say he was right when they were wrong. They have the integrity to admit it.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #15
25. Yeah, after Hillary got the troops stuck in the mud over there like sitting ducks.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:50 AM
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8. By all means, keep cackling away Hillary.
The toilet-bowl circling of your campaign is making you downright giddy!
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struck_dumb Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:51 AM
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11. :) Funny :)
See that, there goes Hillary again, actually talking about actual things that actual politicians actually do. Or don't do, as the case may be. No broad brush strokes there.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:49 AM
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60. By "actual things"
do you mean lying about getting shot at in Bosnia, or do you mean hiring a chief strategist with ties to Blackwater?
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struck_dumb Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 05:05 PM
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117. hi there
What a mess that Bosnia thing. She's better when she sticks to policy instead of painting word pictures, no? I can only think that she got mixed up between visits. Maybe there's a super secret CIA visit she did, and that's the one she got shot at on...who knows. It's definitely unfortunate.

As for the Blackwater thing, if there ever really was a properly dead horse, that's the one.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:52 AM
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12.  she dodged sniper fire..she`s got street cred baby!
she`s ready right now!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:27 PM
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114. We've GOT to start putting in sarcasm tags, people might think what you said was true!
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 03:28 PM by Zhade
NT!

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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:52 AM
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13. Drop the rhetoric and you have nothing...


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bobbert Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:54 AM
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17. According to Fox News she said something silly
but really, Fox News? Opposing the Iraq war is the most important foreign policy stand that was needed in the last 8 years, and only one of them got it right.
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:58 AM
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24. Boston Globe, HuffPo and not Fox News
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-says-no-to-foreign_b_95357.html

for HuffPo article.

It is funny to see the lack of reading comprehension for some of the responders here.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:01 AM
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28. Boston Globe and Huffpo would not agree with your headline though.
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:04 AM
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33. But Senators Clinton and McCain would
Their personal statements or those through the campaign about Senator Obama's claims showed that.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:05 AM
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35. You mean like when they claimed it was naive of him to suggest attacking targets in Pakistan?
How did that turnout when we ACTUALLY did that? Seemed pretty well to me.
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:16 AM
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41. McCain blasted him as being naive
for publicly broadcasting military intent or strategy. Not so sure Senator Clinton also jumped on his case about it.
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bobbert Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:46 AM
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57. The Boston Globe does not agree with you
they only state that Clinton and Republicans disagree with the statement and that all 3 candidates have a chance to ask Petraeus and Crocker questions to perhaps prove their foreign policy credentials

Mayhill Fowler agrees with you, but you didn't link HuffPo, you linked the Boston Globe at first, which did link to that, but they only pulled the fact that the statement was said, not opinion from that article, which you did.
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:56 AM
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64. I stand corrected
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:55 AM
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19. If...
"foreign policy is the area where I (Obama) am probably most confident"

Then how confident is his knowledge in all the other areas? I guess not much.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:03 AM
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31. That's all she can do at this point: Laugh. She's got nothing and her campaign is a failure.
There's no way I want her as president after running this abysmal excuse for a campaign.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:05 AM
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34. OBAMA ENDORSES McCAIN
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:08 AM
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37. Hillary - The Next Lieberman......nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:11 AM
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39. Great one Hillary--
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Rob Gregory Browne Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:20 AM
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42. Seems to me
he does know more than both, considering he was AGAINST the Iraq war from the start. Perhaps he has better judgment about such things. And all the "experience" in the world doesn't help you if you show poor judgment.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:22 AM
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43. So where was the part where he put his foot in his mouth.
seemed like an honest response.

I guess honesty is out of style these days?
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lefty from jersey Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:33 AM
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46. An opinion

Obama's opinion, one that has to be taken on faith alone because there is not a logical reason to believe it, is only his opinion. Most people would disagree that hands on experience is trumped by bravado.

As a contractor, I would use my most experienced employee for the most difficult job. Until the newer employee could demonstrate his superiorior ability in spite of his lack of experience, I would rely on actual experience. The same would apply for my car mechanic or surgeon. I like real experiece, and I think Americans are going to be looking for demonstrated experience rather than bravado in these trying times.

Hint to Obama... Your foreign policy resume is paper thin, get a foreign policy guy for your VP. A former general could be a nice fit to fill up you empty foreign policy resume. Another hint, stay with the hope thing and don't try to sell your experience. You have none!
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:54 AM
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63. Hint to McCain and Clinton: your judgment proves you to be failures.
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 10:59 AM by SoonerPride
I wouldn't loan either of those people the keys to my car.

They're likely to drive it off a cliff, just like they have steered the ship of state into a brick wall.

Judgement is far superior to having been on the scene.

Bushlite has been in office for 8 years and he is still a nincompoop.

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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:08 AM
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74. You missed what you said...
"Until the newer employee could demonstrate his superiorior ability in spite of his lack of experience, I would rely on actual experience"

Obama has done that already, which is the key. He has shown a superior understanding of the situation in the Middle East to either Clinton or McCain. He showed that superior understanding in 2002 and continues to show it today in his discussions on the topic.

Experience in a broken system is worthless. The most experienced witch doctor on the planet won't heal as well as a 1st year medical student.

McCain and Clinton lack SUCESSFUL experience. Their "experience" has resulted in complete failure.

As such, Obama is far more qualified on foreign policy than either.

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lefty from jersey Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:24 AM
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No sale

Take off the rose colored glasses. That dog will not hunt in the GE. Obama has no foreign policy experience, good or bad. If he continues with this bluster he will be taken apart like a double wide in a hurricane. Repeat he has NO resume to handle the job of Commander in Chief. Obama needs to get an experienced VP.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:08 PM
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106. Experience means ZILCH
When you are wrong

He has the perfect resume to handle the job of Commander in Chief.

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kmsarvis Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #46
128. A HINT FOR LEFTY? FROM NEW JERSEY
CLINTON HAS ONE VERY BIG BLACK MARK ON HER "PAPER THIN" FOREIGN POLICY RESUME THAT OBAMA DOES'NT.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:25 AM
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45. BO sounds like Bush and stuff
Great response from Hillary!! Take this glass jaw to the convention!!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 05:10 PM
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118. He sounded just like Bush on this on this quote too! I couldn't believe it!
"The fact that you have these suicide bombers now, wreaking such hatred and violence while people pray, is to me, an indication of their failure,"

Oh wait, that was Hillary.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:37 AM
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48. Whose mouth did he insert a foot into.
What he said was accurate and good.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:40 AM
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50. ***Bookmarking***
:rofl:
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:42 AM
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52. He'd have to eat a lot of leather to catch up with HER!! And I thought the MSM is against Hillary.
Or was it the MSM except for Fox News.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:57 AM
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65. They reported her quote accurately...thats all she needs..
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 10:57 AM by Tellurian
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:09 AM
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75. They reported her Bosnia story accurately too. Where were you then?
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:42 AM
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54. And he who laughs last, laughs best. Keep yukking it up, Hill baby.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:59 AM
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68. No, we're smiling... the DNC is imploding from the inside out..
in accordance with the blundering quote of their candidate.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:58 AM
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67. Another cheap shot from the Queen of Deflated Hopes
Drop out Hillary...
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:02 AM
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71. How is that a cheap shot?
Obama didn't hold any hearings. Indeed (and this wouldn't be a cheap shot either) it would also be fair to say that he's basically used his Senate seat as a stepping stone for the presidency.



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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:38 AM
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82. Hillary knows (I think) that all the Afghanistan meetings were held in the Full Committee
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 11:39 AM by zulchzulu
Obama did hold hearings on nominees that were being put forth to ambassadors and those nominees were approved. Afghanistan-related hearings were done in the full Senate Foreign Relations Committee, rather than in Obama's subcommittee.

So Hillary is shading with the truth on this issue. Why would Afghanistan-related hearings, which are front burner issues since we are at war there, be left to a subcommittee to discuss?

Is Hillary suggesting that Afghanistan-related hearings should be sent to a subcommittee and off the front burner? Is she THAT clueless?
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:01 AM
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69. He UNDERSTANDS it. He has tons of experience
in community organizing. The world is just a much larger community.


BARACK OBAMA’S PLAN TO SECURE AMERICA AND RESTORE OUR STANDING
“When I am this party's nominee, my opponent will not be able to say that I voted for the war in Iraq; or that I gave George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran; or that I supported Bush-Cheney policies of not talking to leaders that we don't like. And he will not be able to say that I wavered on something as fundamental as whether or not it is ok for America to torture — because it is never ok… I will end the war in Iraq… I will close Guantanamo. I will restore habeas corpus. I will finish the fight against Al Qaeda. And I will lead the world to combat the common threats of the 21st century: nuclear weapons and terrorism; climate change and poverty; genocide and disease. And I will send once more a message to those yearning faces beyond our shores that says, "You matter to us. Your future is our future. And our moment is now.”

— Barack Obama, Des Moines, Iowa, November 10, 2007

Bipartisanship and Openness
The Problem: Under the Bush administration, foreign policy has been used as a political wedge issue to divide us – not as a cause to bring America together. And it is no coincidence that one of the most secretive administrations in history has pursued policies that have been disastrous for the American people. Obama strongly believes that our foreign policy is stronger when Americans are united, and the government is open and candid with the American people.
A Record of Bringing People Together: In the Senate, Obama has worked with Republicans and Democrats to advance important policy initiatives on securing weapons of mass destruction and conventional weapons, increasing funding for nonproliferation, and countering instability in Congo.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:08 AM
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73. In community organizing!
Now that's REALLY going to play well with both the general public and with people who actually DO have some foreign policy experience.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:45 AM
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88. Do you really believe Obama can't wear a flight suit as well as McCain
Or take presents from little girls as well as Hillary? We know he can sit in the Senate chambers and participate in CSPAN Theater. And we know he knows how to pick a good team, which is more than can be said for either Clinton or McCain. We know, too, that he is better versed in cultural sensitivity than either of the other two. He'll be fine.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:03 PM
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90. I'm just saying that it doesn't come off as credible
and I'm not making any comparisons to the other two choices, which are in some ways worse.

I guess I would also add that in a country of 300 million people the notion that the presidency comes down to a choice among these three is sad, but rather telling.

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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:54 PM
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95. The real sharp kids are out making $300 million a year
Sadly
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:16 AM
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76. When is the next funding vote likely?
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:24 AM
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78. Ready on day one, isn't she?
IWR
Supported by Milosevic's lobbyist
Belfast tea party
Tuzla airport

Yep, she's ready on day one.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:33 AM
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79. "who knows about a bunch of stuff "
oh yeah, he's "brilliant!"

:rofl:
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:41 AM
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84. She is hanging out
...over at Faux now?

Enough said. OMG.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Just writing Faux News and I feel like I need a l.....o.....n.....g shower.

Ewww Gads!


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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:45 AM
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89. Right, and look who she's hanging out with!!!
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:46 PM
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102. I can do a better job...
of photoshopping than that. Obvious imposter. :-)

Seriously, like I said Eww Gads!

Doesn't change my opinion of Faux News one iota. It's Eww Gads to any person that would grace the studios at War Monger central. Whichever candidate...doesn't make any difference to me. And of all of them Brit Fumes and Hannity turn my stomach the most.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:39 AM
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83. "I know more &understand the world better than Clinton or McCain."
Sure you do wonderboy...sure you do.:eyes:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #83
85. Well, from what I hear he
has family overseas.

:rofl:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:44 AM
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87. Hillary thinks that Afghanistan-related hearings should be in a subcommittee?
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 11:50 AM by zulchzulu
Last I checked, we are in Afghanistan with troops and such. Should Obama have had hearings on Afghanistan matters in a subcommittee (seen as less important) rather than where they have been in the FULL Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which he is a member of?

Is Hillary assuming that Afghanistan is not that important and that hearings should be relegated to a subcommittee off the front burner?

Apparently, since she flunked her big test and voted for Bush's war without sitting her ass down and reading the NIE before sending our troops to a quagmire, maybe she thinks Afghanistan is just a little sandpit skirmish where she might one day get a photo op and say there was sniper fire as she smiles for the cameras like she's sitting next to Goofy in DisneyWorld.

Hillary, is Afghanistan policy supposed to be discussed in a subcommittee? Wanker...

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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:59 PM
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96. Obama thinks it's pretty important, he mentioning it all the time. His chairmanship of that cmte.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:35 PM
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92. He understands the veep isn't a strategic advisor
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 12:36 PM by loyalsister
The president appoints advisors to do that job.
He's confident and knows exactly what he is talking about and Hillary laughed at him. She did exactly what she should not have done.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:43 PM
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94. well hell, obama tried to pat his resume to look better to black
folk when he lied about when his parents did the hunka chunka and he was born. And the lies he's told about the Kennedy's but the whoremedia lets this pass...

What's wrong with asking this question? IF Obama is unelectable because of Wright, should we just eat that and lose again? Is it racist to ask if the GOP is going to scare America into thinking Obama is some crazy Muslim with a radical agenda? Of course they're going to do, if he's the nominee, that and I have real money to bet on it. McCain hired Bush's "Willie Horton" team to run his campaign.


What do YOU think this campaign will be about? It's going to be about fear. C'mon, obama people, is this your first day in politics?

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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:05 PM
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99. Current poll numbers don't bear what you're saying out. Also, Wright has been a net positive for...
...Obama; the more people hear him and see his actions the more they relate to him (what, 71% in last poll) and his values.

Let them use Wright, Hagee and Palsey are fair game along with McSame MLK vote and 'gook' statements...

Bottom line; if that's ALL the right has is Wright then the only person that can defeat Obama is Obama.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:01 PM
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97. After Mark Penn, Hillary and her supporters have VERY little room to talk...
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:16 PM
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100. About That Subcommittee
About That Subcommittee
The idea that is being floated around by the Clinton camp that Barack Obama has dropped the ball on Afghanistan by not holding a hearing in Congress is refuted. Turns out that:

...the Foreign Relations Committee’s Subcommittee on European Affairs doesn’t have primary jurisdiction over the campaign in Afghanistan. The Armed Services Committee (on which Senator Clinton serves) does.

The Subcommittee on European Affairs doesn’t have secondary jurisdiction over the campaign in Afghanistan. The full Foreign Relations Committee (which has held hearings on Afghanistan) does.

The Subcommittee on European Affairs doesn’t even have tertiary jurisdiction over the campaign in Afghanistan. The Subcommittee on Near East and South and Central Asian Affairs does.

Both Clintons, obviously, fully understand how the Senate operates; and recognize that any freshman senator who hopes to have any influence in the upper chamber isn’t going to hold hearings on a matter almost wholly tangential to his subcommittee’s jurisdiction.

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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:47 PM
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103. Yes, we all now know HRC's "experience"--it's all in her fantasy world. n/t
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:48 PM
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105. Meanwhile, Mrs. Clinton, your former senior adviser
has been undermining your campaign from the start with his backroom free trade negotiations. That makes you one of two things:

a) a shitty manager who doesn't have a fucking clue as to what her subordinates are up to, or
b) a corrupt jackass who doesn't care what her subordinates are up to.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:17 PM
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108. No foot in mouth disease there! Excellent point, Sen. Obama!
Thank you for pointing out this story - it's just another reason to support our future President!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:21 PM
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110. Read it three times -- where's the alleged gaffe?
Man, you guys are DESPERATE.

Not that it'll do your candidate any good, since she's not going to win the nomination.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:50 PM
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116. Seems like Hillary made Obama's point for him.
She thinks holding a meeting demonstrates mastery of a subject. While Obama thinks actually being knowledgeable is the measure.

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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 09:21 PM
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130. The worst is that he sounded just like Bush.
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