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Tue Apr-08-08 10:33 AM
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Why isn't Clinton winning? |
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Where did she go wrong? A year ago, I thought she had this sealed up. And I would have voted for her in the primaries a year ago (even 4 months ago). I can't really pin point where it went wrong for her.
I support Obama on his own merits and his own strengths and not due to Clinton's failings. But someone along the line she has lost a lot of people.
Where did that happen? When did that happen.
Please don't turn this into an insult thread. I'm hoping this can be a decent analysis of her campaign.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:34 AM
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1. Arrogance and an utter failure at managing a campaign. I can't even imagine how she'd manage the U.S |
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:36 AM
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2. She also thought she had it sewn up and had no game plan |
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after Super Tuesday. Combine that with missteps from her campaign managers, and bingo.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:37 AM
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6. I think that's the biggest thing. |
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Her campaign assumed a short fight and planned (and spent) accordingly. But for Obama, they'd have been right.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:38 AM
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9. IMO, that is a good summary of why she is losing. n/t |
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:57 AM
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23. You are right, but she also wrote off the small states |
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Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 10:57 AM by still_one
She has run a terrible campaign
She also has a tendency to throw blame on the media or gender bias, but that doesn't cut it
Yes, this country has gender bias, and also race bias, and the MSM doesn't treat Democratic verses republican candidates fairly, but complaining or blaming that as the cause only re-enforces why she probably isn't the candidate to win if she cannot overcome that
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:36 AM
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3. She's gotten 500K more votes among registered Democrats. She's winning the Dem vote. nt |
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:42 AM
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13. Those stats at this time are mega skewed because of Limpballs... |
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...and his dittohead campaign to have Repukes rereg to vote for Hillary.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:37 AM
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She anticipated a knock out blow on Feb. 5, and didn't have an effective plan to challenge in the caucuses. Another thing is that, whether you believe it or not, all of the MSM had her as the inevitable nominee, and that it was hers to lose. Generally speaking, people don't like having their choices taken away.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:37 AM
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any_real_competition._Hubris_and_lack_of_planning_account_for_where she_finds_herself_today.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:38 AM
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8. her voting record reveals the lie... we don't trust her |
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from the IWV to the Iran, back door authorization...
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:39 AM
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10. She never had it sealed up |
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Bill Clinton said well over a year ago that if she ran, she'd win the GE, but there was a good chance she didn't win the nomination.
The constant push to portray her campaign as an utter failure is just silly - she's very very close to Obama. We have two strong candidates.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:49 AM
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Two strong candidates, indeed. The only thing wrong with the scenario is the in-fighting that's making us all look pretty stupid. Like monkeys flinging poo and laughing our asses off at how clever we are... present company excluded, of course!
:hi:
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:40 AM
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11. The media and the republicans have a voice in our process |
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:42 AM
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12. she never renounced her IWR vote & you can't build a house on |
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:42 AM
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that it's because she thought it was going to be easy. She has the money, the name, the advisors...I felt the same way when she announced. She never had a POD (point of difference) in a year when almost EVERYONE wants "different"...and she has lacked a consistent message.
AND for me the turning point was when she kept talking about being a fighter, she'll fight for me, she won't give up, she fights for all of us...that reminded me of all the fighting in the 90s. As much as I loved Bill, I didn't like all the fighting, those aren't great memories, and when her opponent is running on an almost "can't we all just get along"? message...It's not a hard choice, IMO.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:42 AM
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15. This was the first election where she's had any real competition. |
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Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 10:43 AM by hedgehog
The Senate races in New York were a farce with the Republicans merely putting up nominal candidatures. When Hillary did not sweep the early primaries, she went into fighting mode and treated the other Democrats as members of the Republican Right. Voters in later primaries did not react well to her treating other Democrats as members of the vast Right Wing Conspiracy.
Plus, people like Obama.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:59 AM
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that keeps getting spread here.
She was tied with Lazio a few months before her first election. New York wasn't a "gimme" for her.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:43 AM
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When she was the only inveitable candidate,
1. she didn't work hard enough, she believed her inevitability 2. She didn't grow the party 3. She didn't campaign in States or areas without huge Democratic bases 4. She eschewed small donations in lieu of huge donations 5. She worked mostly with party insiders
Had she been more in tune with what Howard Dean has been saying, she would be the nominee right now. She's been playing catch up since the primaries began.
My 2 cents.
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Tue Apr-08-08 11:12 AM
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Her belief in the DLC way has left her where she is now.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:46 AM
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17. As with a former president, she has a problem with the "vision thing." |
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Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 10:59 AM by GodlessBiker
She lacks the ability, or she has failed to show the ability, to inspire most Dems to want to vote for her. A year ago, there were not many other credible alternatives that people could look toward for inspiration. When one popped up, Clinton began to lose it.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:47 AM
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18. Her invincibility shield cracked in Iowa and South Carolina. |
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Once people awoke to the fact that we don't HAVE to have her, we flooded to the default candidate.
Luckily!
Personally, her IWR vote made her ineligible for MY primary vote.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:51 AM
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thrown off guard by the Obama campaign. I think after a year of hearing how inevitable her nomination was she started believing it.
I think a couple of things happened. People wanted something new. Bush Clinton Bush Clinton didn't fit that and Obama tapped into a new generation. I also think there has been a lack of consistancy in her campaign, probably because she didn't think it would go past Feb 5. She never really regain her balance after that. Obama grew as a candidate, which made people who hadn't voted yet a chance to take another look.
The stretched out primary season gave people an opportunity to get to know Obama.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:51 AM
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21. She hasn't lost yet... we have two very strong candidates... |
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The race has months to go and the spread isn't as far as some people here would attempt to lead us to believe. The fuzzy math is getting tiring.
I would have rather had Edwards in this race, but I'll vote for the nominee.
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Tue Apr-08-08 10:52 AM
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22. Here's a hot-off-the-press EJ Dionne article that lays it out for you: |
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