Suburban Obama's delegate: Linda Ramirez Sliwinski ticketed for calling boys in tree 'monkeys'

[Maribelle]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-carpenter-trustee-both-08apr08,0,568283.story


Suburban Obama delegate quits over 'divisive' remark
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/883120,CST-NWS-trustee08.article

on edit: added Suburban delegate to title

[babylonsister]

1. Drats! Now I could never vote for Obama; he might even have

known her! :wow:

[cliffordu]

3. ROLF.... I mean ROFL!!!

:rofl:

[Bolo Boffin]

2. She said they were acting like monkeys. Nice biased headline. n/t

[Maribelle]

6. Glass house syndrome? Of course the moral outrage from Obama supporter's will dwarf that of Ferraro

like hell it will

[Bolo Boffin]

13. Nope. "IISAHTSYC" syndrome

Interest In Seeing Accurate Headlines To Support Your Candidate

You already knew the lady had resigned as an Obama delegate. You already knew this had nothing to do with Obama. Yet you still posted it with a factually inaccurate headline skewed to attack a fellow Democrat.

Shame on you.

[Maribelle]

33. This isn't the 'Latest Breaking News' thread.

[Bolo Boffin]

53. But you can be accurate - however, you've just edited the headline and left the trumped-up slander

So it's clear you aren't being honest in this conversation.

[Maribelle]

57. Trumped-up slander??? My subject line in my OP is not a 'headline', rather the combined

subjects of two headlines contained in the links I provided.

[Bolo Boffin]

68. dupe n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

69. Trumped-up slander. You have made the statement worse than it was.

I have shown you this. She said (in your own OP article) that the kids were "acting like monkeys", not that they were. Your headline continues to imply that she called them this directly, instead of comparing their actions to those of monkeys. Bad enough, to be sure, but you don't have to make it worse than it was. That is YOUR contribution to incivility in this forum. And all the incivility on the other side you can point to is NOT ENOUGH to justify what you have done with this thread.

Shame on you.

[Maribelle]

97. Wrong. I have done nothing in the OP but copy and paste from the links.

I find that the Obama Campaign asking her to step aside is what is troubling.


And what is also troubling is that most of the Obama supporters on this thread not even catching the irony of it all. And you didn't either.

[Hugabear]

90. I've seen that fucking excuse from Hillary supporters before

"This isn't LBN, so we can say whatever the hell we want, doesn't matter if it's true or not"

Great fucking attitude.

[Maribelle]

92. Well you seem to have no problem saying whatever you want.

I think most Obama supporters fail to see the irony in this thread.


I don't believe, personally, that the Obama campaign should have prompted the woman to step aside.

[Cant trust em]

40. You must be kidding.

Is this sarcasm?

[redqueen]

79. You would think, huh?

:crazy:

[Cant trust em]

83. Figured I might run into you today

I watched the Champions League game. I don't know if you've heard about it yet, but the penatly was totally bullshit. Phantom contact.

[redqueen]

84. I saw it.

They are cheating bastards they are.

Oh no... can I say bastards here? :P

[Cant trust em]

85. Soccer refs kill me

Such an egregious mistake that killed our season. They need to put their whistles in their pockets unless it's blatant. That was far from blatant.

[redqueen]

87. Happens all the time...

*sigh*

:(

That's a big part of their strategy, though. They dive like nobody's business.

[Cant trust em]

88. I'll be interested to see how the media covers this.

If they call it a dubious penalty that it was.

[whistler162]

4. One more reason not to vote for......

Hillary.

Thanks for the help.

[anigbrowl]

5. Well, that's it...Obama needs to quit

The nation is in meltdown or something.

[AtomicKitten]

7. Oh, for crissakes; this kind of horseshit is exhausting.

:eyes:

[Maribelle]

9. When Obama played the race card against Geraldine Ferraro - she had said less

No wonder yer all exhausted. But this story is in the news today.

[AtomicKitten]

11. "Obama played the race card against Geraldine Ferraro"

You should have your license to pontificate revoked for that grotesque, shameful distortion of the truth.

[Maribelle]

14. Oh? That freakin depends on who you believe. I believe Ferraro. She said...

it came from Obama's campaign.

[Bolo Boffin]

15. Ferraro's statement WAS the race card. n/t

[DemVet]

71. No...there was nothing racist about it. It was the truth.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

74. Just because you think it's true it doesn't mean it's not racism.

All it means is you're agreeing with racism.

[DemVet]

80. No, I'm agreeing with truth....truth that definitely was not racism.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

81. That's what they all say.

Nobody ever admits to racism. Even white supremacists say "I'm not racist, I just love white people."

[Zhade]

24. You need to stop rewriting history. Ferraro is the racist who played that card.

NT1

[PBS Poll-435]

29. By saying the same thing that Obama wrote in his book?

NT!!!

[charlie]

8. She got sacked

the first Monday after the Saturday incident. Unlike that other person, what was her name, Ferrari, Ferenghi...?

[Maribelle]

18. That other person was the first woman VP candidate for a major party. The disrespect Obama's campaig...

has shown this fine and historic woman is unforgivable.

[azmouse]

21. YOU should be ashamed of the way you're lying about Obama.

:eyes: There was NO connect between what this woman said and the Obama campaign.

[Maribelle]

28. Please read the post to which I replied, before you have a meltdown.

[Bake]

67. Quoting from the second article

Moving to nip in the bud some potential bad press, White House hopeful Barack Obama's campaign persuaded a delegate to step down after she was ticketed for calling her neighbor's African-American children "monkeys."


There's the connection.

Personally, I think this whole thing is stupid tempest in a teapot, if even that. But I do find the zeal of the Obots mildly entertaining.

Bake

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Yeah, she's historical.

She's been making racist remarks against black presidential candidates since at least 1988.

[Mooney]

82. LOL

[ellacott]

26. Oh stop

This is getting so unreal.

[americanstranger]

32. I was fine with Ferraro

until she started yapping about people 'beating up on her because she was white.'

She should have thought a little more about how to respond to the intial outrage, and she could have preserved a little dignity.

But, no. She started yammering like some crazy racist woman that 'the blacks' were out to get her.

She could have preserved her legacy, but she instead insisted upon 'fighting back' - and ended up looking like an out-of-touch old fool.

- as

[ieoeja]

60. Same here.

I cringed when I read her original remarks. But figured she was just being a little tone deaf.

When, in the next interview, she came out about Obama was "just playing to his Black base because that is all he has is his Black base" ... she lost me.

[charlie]

44. Ah

And so when she claims the possible first black nominee for a major party is affirmative action in motion, we should indulge her because she's "historic." I doubt Ferraro would be impressed with anyone's "historicity" if they insisted Hillary would be anywhere but where she is if she married differently. I think her head would probably explode into confetti.

[azmouse]

10. "My take on this is that it is really being blown out of proportion,"

Village President Bill Sarto said. "To a great extent, you have to take the remarks and put them in proper context. The trustee saw children playing in a tree, and she made an observation that they should be careful because they are acting like monkeys. Had they not been in a tree, it could be inappropriate."


****

Same could be said for some DUers around here.
How about keeping things in proper context and not blowing them out of proportion?

[Maribelle]

12. Then why did she have to pay a fine?

[azmouse]

17. Did you read the article?

Ramirez Sliwinski, who is Hispanic, was issued a citation alleging that she violated a village ordinance prohibiting disorderly conduct. The ordinance bans conduct that disturbs or alarms people, and one of the boys told police he was scared by Ramirez Sliwinski's comment, Police Cmdr. Michael Kilbourne said.

The citation carries a fine of $75.

"She was not arrested. She was not fingerprinted. It is a local ordinance violation," Kilbourne said.

[Maribelle]

20. My question was rhetorical. She would not have had to pay a fine had the incident ...

been merely blown out of proportion, see?

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[Maribelle]

25. Personal attacks are against DU rules.

Go poop elsewhere.

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[anigbrowl]

37. You'll notice she's contesting it

You appear to be of the school of thought that believes if someone is charged with an offense it means they're guilty. Are you sure you're on the right website?

[Maribelle]

43. I think you're the one turning this into some sort of criminal case. It is not, you know.

[rodeodance]

49. any criticism is out of line you know for their savior.

[smalll]

16. So did she have to quit for racism issues, or because she dared to say something

less than complimentary about Godalmighty Yoof? You know, those far-seeing world-historical geniuses and moral exemplars who are so "energized" by the Messiah (when they're not beating each other up for Youtube purposes: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3122891 )

[Whisp]

19. keep digging, maybe Obama's cousin got a parking ticket

in 1989 and didn't pay for it.
above the fold news.

you really think this kind of story is going to overshadow the Mark Penn/Colombia fiasco? which, btw, is just STARTING to unfold into something a lot more ugly.
:rofl:

[smalll]

36. We don't need to dig. We already know that Obama got TWO parking tickets on a spree of lawlessness

on the SAME DAY.

Bowlinggate, Sweetiegate, Stuffgate, and now Monkeygate. It hasn't been a good few days for Obama.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

50. Simply terrible.

We only got, what... 3, 4 superdelegates?

[rodeodance]

55. Monkeygate. will be winner te he........

sarcasm aler
(i note you did not include one)




We don't need to dig. We already know that Obama got TWO parking tickets on a spree of lawlessness
Posted by smalll


on the SAME DAY.

Bowlinggate, Sweetiegate, Stuffgate, and now Monkeygate. It hasn't been a good few days for Obama.

[Whisp]

75. .

:rofl:
I know you're pulling my leg.

[Maribelle]

63. Well evidently Obama's campaign felt it was serious enough to persuade her to step aside.

Told of the incident Monday by the Sun-Times, Obama's campaign called Ramirez-Sliwinski and persuaded her to step aside as a delegate because the campaign felt her remarks were "divisive and unacceptable."

"Given the incident, she is stepping down as a delegate and will be replaced," said campaign spokesman Ben Labolt.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. Your OP just referred to African Americans as "boys."

Shame on you, Maribelle. Shame on you.

[chascarrillo]

34. And Clinton's chief strategist represented a country that has killed hundreds of labor activists.

Doesn't seem to bother you none.

[bowens43]

35. Wow. You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

it must suck to be a Hillary supporter.

[rodeodance]

38. Too bad it was the BO delegate who was ticketed for "disorderly conduct,"

Ramirez-Sliwinski's $75 ticket was for "disorderly conduct," which Kilbourne defined as, "when a person does something that alarms or disturbs another."

[Bolo Boffin]

42. You said you were going to stop using that potentially offensive label. n/t

[rodeodance]

46. I recall that--but I wrote back if poster would agree not to offensive lables for

Hillary supporters. but as i recall I did not get a response.


Was there a response?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

52. I guess the poster didn't trust you.

Wonder why.

[Bolo Boffin]

54. There was a response. It was me. I've never used offensive labels for Hillary. n/t

[chascarrillo]

58. Just like your chosen candidate, you lie through your teeth and hope noone finds out.

[rodeodance]

72. gee i can play that game also--YOU LIE about me

[chascarrillo]

98. Are you saying that you didn't say you weren't going to use that term anymore?

[closeupready]

47. Maybe Ramirez can countersue that she was scared about being cited.

And lives in a perpetual state of fear. That ought to be worth a few hundred thousand dollars.

[mckeown1128]

59. So when do you get your $75 ticket??? nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

39. And you thought anyone would really give a shit about this because.....

:shrug:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

41. Worst... Manufactured Scandal... Ever.

[closeupready]

45. How is this even LEGAL?? What kind of an ordinance makes speech illegal???

Disgusting. :mad:

[rodeodance]

48. ask the police in Chicago

[closeupready]

56. We have no lawyers on DU?

I'm not a lawyer, but this seems to me like a pretty cut and dry case of illegal law based upon First Amendment violation without a compelling state interest.

[Maribelle]

61. The article indicates 'Disorderly conduct' is what she was fined for

"Ramirez Sliwinski, who is Hispanic, was issued a citation alleging that she violated a village ordinance prohibiting disorderly conduct. "

[ieoeja]

65. Carpentersville. She's in Carpentersville. Not Chicago.

A Chicago cop would beat the crap out of you for bothering them with such penny ante bullshit.

But in a city where the village trustee feels it is her duty/right to go onto her neighbor's property to tell her neighbor's children they are not allowed to play in her neighbor's tree ... it is hardly surprising they can ticket you just for pissing off your neighbor.

[snooper2]

66. Read the Article...

Opposition leader Judy Sigwalt said, "We are elected officials. We are in a position where people look to us for leadership and professionalism. We have to be diplomatic at all times."

"Frankly, I don't see a law that was broken here," Sarto said. "I think this entire thing has been blown out of proportion. She's a good neighor. She went over to caution the children to be careful not to fall out of a tree.

She has never indicated to me any prejudice whatsoever. We have a trustee who has been convicted on four counts of domestic battery and refuses to resign from the board. He beat his wife with a baseball bat. This seems far less egregious to me."

Ramirez-Sliwinski's $75 ticket was for "disorderly conduct," which Kilbourne defined as, "when a person does something that alarms or disturbs another."

[closeupready]

73. If that's their definition, it's blatantly unconstitutional because it's vague and overbroad.

Esp. when that law restricts freedom to speak. She's going to win her case.

[uponit7771]

51. Obama's dog didn't really eat his homework, it chewed on the corners and Obama decided to do it over

[Forkboy]

62. Insanity...it's not just for breakfast anymore.

:crazy:

[Lisa0825]

64. I was a platinum blonde pale kid, and I was called a monkey lots of times...

because I loved climbing trees and swinging from branches. Good grief. :eyes:

[Not the Only One]

70. I called both of my kids monkeys because they reminded me of pet chimps a lot of times.

This is the stupidest thing to be fined for, I think.

[redqueen]

89. I call my kids monkeys when they act like monkeys.

Oh noes!

[Nine]

76. I don't know whether this woman is a racist or not.

She sounds like kind of a busybody at any rate - yelling at neighbor kids for climbing a tree not even on her property, especially when the parents were right there. I'd be pretty angry if those were my kids, and I can well believe the children were frightened. As for the "monkeys" comment, many people use that term for boisterous children in an affectionate way, with no racist intent. I guess you'd have to know this woman personally to have a better idea of whether she meant it in a racist way or not, but I certainly don't blame the neighbors for being offended. I don't think that any of this is reflective of Obama. However, I have to wonder whether most Obama supporters on here would be as reasonable if this woman were supporting my candidate. I can easily imagine many remarks about us "racist" Hillary supporters.

[DrFunkenstein]

78. In Fairness to Grouches, Magnolia Trees Are Exceptionally Beautiful

Especially in spring!

[Lisa0825]

99. I think most would be fair....

but then there would be a small group making a big deal about it.... that is usually how things go on both sides.

[EnviroBat]

77. My Gawd! The desperation stinks like shit.

This op is utter crap.

[book_worm]

86. You do your candidate proud.

[Maribelle]

91. Actually, it was the Obama campaign that asked the woman to step aside.

I found irony in this. I too believe, which I never editorialized on above, that it was blown out of proportion and that she should not have been asked to step aside.

[kwenu]

93. I agree. It's not like she's Geraldine Ferraro or anything.

[K Gardner]

94. oh my fucking god.. you Hillary people are absolutely the most ridiculous bunch

of people acting like MONKEYS IN TREES I've ever seen.

Get a freaking LIFE!

[Vinca]

95. Why is monkey considered racist by itself? Here's my monkey story.

Last Christmas I took a box of about $200 worth of new, stuffed monkeys to a food pantry so they could give them to kids. When I walked in with my box, a black woman approached me and I said, jovially, I had a box of monkeys to donate. If looks could kill, I'd be dead. I can't imagine what the hell she was thinking. So she grabbed the box from me and took it to an adjoining room while a volunteer gave me a receipt for tax purposes. As I was on my way out I heard her open the box and say, "Oh, aren't they cute!" I hope it dawned on her that every time someone looks cross eyed at her it isn't racism. I'd probably call kids in trees monkeys, too.

[Maribelle]

96. Well, I happen to agree with you, totally.

Why did the Obama campaign ask her to step aside? I find this part of the issue quite troubling.