Since some of you think it's cool to call Hillary Clinton a "bitch"....

[Maddy McCall]

or "whore"...or other such names...

What would you think if people started to refer to Michelle Obama as a "whore" or "bitch?"

Would that bother you? Would you alert and cry "foul!" if you were to see such derogatory terms attached to her name every day?



Edit to add:
In case you wonder why I don't like the word "bitch," this is what I think of when I see it. Shouldn't DUers care about each other enough to avoid language like this?

[MonkeyFunk]

1. I'll predict the responses right now:

"No, that would be wrong because she's NOT a bitch or a whore, but Hillary IS!"

[Maddy McCall]

5. Or "That's RACIST!"

[SOS]

65. Enjoy the clip....

From Tina Fey, posted at Taylor Marsh:

"Bitch is the New Black"

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27082

Didn't hear many complaints from Team Clinton on that one.

[Maddy McCall]

70. That's because the point of the whole thing went right over your head.

[SOS]

144. "Bitch may be the new black, but black is the new President, bitch"

Thankfully, there is some SNL humor that even a simpleton like me can understand.

[sueragingroz]

110. did you hear the whooshing sound?

[L0oniX]

113. ...

:popcorn:

[SwampG8r]

116. nm

:popcorn:

[krkaufman]

114. Or just mostly pointless.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5426768

[MaineDem]

2. I don't think it's cool

And I alert each time.

[SeaLyons]

3. Good one, Maddy...

Oh, the outrage they would express!

[Labors of Hercules]

82. I express outrage regardless.

I am sick of this bullshit. Clinton is not a bitch or a whore and neither is Michelle.

Clinton is, however, a disingenuous and extremely devious politician who will do and say things that are morally unscrupulous to win at all costs.

[islandmkl]

4. would all of you that think it's cool...or is this just a lame premise for some flames?..

please stand up, swear to never do it again, and sit back down...

both of you...

[HooptieWagon]

100. "or is this just a lame premise for some flames"

I think you nailed it. More manufactured poutrage from the hillbots. I haven't seen any Obama supporters calling hillary a bitch - if so, I guess they're getting deleted quickly by the mods. What I do see is the outrageous lies and poo-flinging by the hillbots, and it's no surprise that most of the tombstones dropped have been hillary disrupters for their overt racist content.

[eridani]

146. Could we dispense with "hillbot" and "obamatron"? Pretty please?

Pretty please with sugar on it and a cherry on top?

[waiting for hope]

6. You would think that they

were taking cues from Freeperville, it sickens my stomach to see it. I remember when it was BushCo we were fighting, not ourselves.

[Devlzown]

7. I don't think it's cool.

I'm not a fan of hers, but I don't call her a bitch either.

[Lerkfish]

8. inflammatory thread

[PBS Poll-435]

11. For what reason?

[PBS Poll-435]

9. Maddy!!! Whore just means compromised!

Thats all. Any dictionary says so! It doesn't have anything to do with sexism and gender inequality going back to the Book of Genesis. Why are you limiting our vocabulary? Some women find it endearing. Especially during "love-making!"





As if this was needed -----> :sarcasm:

[Maribelle]

31. Please. Those words have long been in use to refer to a woman with contempt.

And I have no problem at all with women that want to go along with this if it is their choice, just like many young women today choose to set themselves up to be used as mere sex objects, and welcome being treated in a degrading manner. But that's their choice.

However, please don't go trying to slam this filth down the throats of those of us who choose not to accept this.

[americanstranger]

35. I've seen Hillary supporters use the term 'bitch'

in a complimentary sense, as in 'It takes a bitch to get things done.'

I think Tina Fey's 'Bitch is the new black' also fits loosely into that categorization.

Are these also unacceptable, or is it fair to allow for context?

- as

[PBS Poll-435]

38. Did you read the text?

Please do! Thanks.

[Milo_Bloom]

10. All words are fine in context.

[WVRevy]

12. If Michelle was a bitch, I wouldn't mind.

"Bitch", to me, is just the feminine version of calling a man a "dick". It's a statement on her personality, not her gender.

[Maddy McCall]

13. LOL. You don't even realize that you contradict yourself.

:eyes:

[WVRevy]

24. Umm...no, I didn't.

I said if Michelle WAS a bitch, I wouldn't mind people calling her one. Since Clinton IS a bitch, I don't mind people calling her that, either. (Though "whore" is wrong, since she isn't...though you could argue she's a political whore, but there are better ways to put that.)

Cheney is a dick because of his personality, just as Clinton is a bitch because of hers. Neither term applies to Michelle Obama.

[MonkeyFunk]

27. And if you WERE a prick

people could call you that.

[WVRevy]

34. If I was a prick, I'd deserve it.

It STILL wouldn't be sexist.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. Well, there's no objective criteria for defining

who is and who isn't a bitch. It's not like there's a blood test.

[WVRevy]

29. lol...I'm sorry Mr. and Mrs. X, but your daughter has tested positive for the bitch gene

:spray:

I see the point, though. Still, I think it'd be hard to say that Hillary isn't a bit of a bitch, by whatever subjective definition you'd want to come up with for the slang term. She's aggressive, argumentative, and refuses to admit to mistakes...and that's about as objective a description as you could come up with, I believe. Yet all of those are qualities that go into being a bit of a bitch, IMO.

But you're right...it is a subjective thing. It's just not a SEXIST thing.

[MonkeyFunk]

32. I think it's very subjective AND sexist

and frankly, just wrong. I honestly don't see her that way at all.

[WVRevy]

36. I don't see how it can be sexist

when all it is doing is describing her personality.

John McCain is a dick. He's a dick because he's mean-spirited, overly aggressive, and hard-headed. So, does calling him a dick - something you would never call a woman - mean that I'm being sexist towards him?

The hysteria about the word "bitch" is just laugh-out-loud funny to me. It is in no way a sexist term when used in that context.

[MonkeyFunk]

48. because very few men

have been beaten to death by angry women yelling "PRICK!" at them.

[Jamastiene]

151. If it's not sexist to call her a bitch, because you dislike her

and she's a woman, then why not call McCain a bitch and her a dick instead? Just saying...your logic does not compute if you claim it is not sexist.

[saracat]

57. By your definition, Michelle Obama would be a "bitch". .However I don't agree with your definition

or the use of the term to describe either woman.

[Mags]

104. see I think it is hard to that Obama is not a little of a snake in the grass.

he lays back and lets his folks throw the shit.

[TahitiNut]

45. Well, I've seen her supporters admit she's an underDOG ... and since she's FEMALE ...

:shrug:

:eyes:

[Hugabear]

90. I always thought it referred to someone with a nasty disposition

Just like we use the terms dick, dickhead, prick, cocksucker, asshole to refer to men with nasty dispositions.

Are we for equality here or not? Are we saying it's okay to call men names but not women?

[Captain Hilts]

41. 'Dick' is not acceptable language in television. Somehow, 'bitch' is. Go figure. nt

[Hugabear]

92. I've seen both on TV

Don't know what shows you're watching, but I've seen the word 'dick' used on network TV before. Same with 'prick' and 'jerkoff'.

[PBS Poll-435]

94. Silly - That was Dick Van Dyke

And ouch, I pricked my finger.

Hey you jerk! Offer me a freakin' beer.


See - the world makes sense again!

[DrFunkenstein]

15. Wow. You've Really Changed My Mind. Oh, Wait...

You are talking about a bunch of jackasses who will stay jackasses no matter what logic you throw out there. And you still won't confront the fact that the vast majority of people who oppose Clinton's candidacy have detailed policy differences. But if it makes you feel better to deal with the idiots instead, go ahead.

[damonm]

16. As a matter of fact,

I WOULD. But you've hit a new height for irrelevance - Michelle Obama is NOT a candidate. Hillary Clinton is. And quite frankly, "bitch" and "whore" are some of the MILDER things I've heard Hillary Clinton called. It comes with the territory when you run for high office.
Does that make it OK?

HELL, no.

[PBS Poll-435]

18. LOL...The worst things I ever have heard said about her

Were when she was the wife of the President and an author who gave every penny made from that book to charity.

[Raejeanowl]

103. The Second Worst Things I Ever Heard Said About Her

Occurred when her husband humiliated her before a world audience of billions, after she had endlessly defended him (despite all of the rumors, innuendos and scandals), and then she neither left him nor divorced him . And they kept their family together and finished raising a wonderful, poised young woman. Man, what a cold, conniving BITCH. :sarcasm:

And this campaign is exactly what they predicted the price of her "payoff" would be.

We shall see who misjudged this, shan't we?

[Cleita]

Not really if it were describing what she is.

We have no problem calling Barbara Bush those words because if the word fits..... Calling Michelle those words though if they are not true, then would be an ad hominem attack.

Randi was doing a stand up routine to a crowd of San Franciscans who use those words on a regular basis in daily conversation. She was connecting to her liberal, often gay and San Franciscan audience. It wasn't meant for national consumption. She never said it nationally on the air. For those who don't know, Randi has a very large gay following and they often use colorful language. Whoever posted that on YouTube wasn't thinking. He should have known that the majority of anal retentive, provincial and hypocritical Americans don't understand the San Franciscan sub-culture.

[MonkeyFunk]

30. Surely you understand

that it's just your opinion of her - not an objective truth. And that it's offensive to her supporters, not just to her.

It's idiotic to think that there's some objective measure of "bitch" that you can use to decide.

[Bluenorthwest]

121. Nice generalization.

Gays are all foul mouthed and love Rhandi Rhodes?

[Cleita]

133. I was really careful not to use the word "all".n/t

[democrattotheend]

17. I don't think it's ever appropriate to use those words

I can't believe people here voted against banning them in 2004.

[cags]

19. Whats wrong with calling Barack a Bitch? Same sting, Michelles got nothin to do with it

[mckeown1128]

20. Link please....

or is this typical Clinton supporter strawman tactics...

[Mooney]

21. I would laugh at the desperation and unhinged rage of the person saying it.

[PoliticalAmazon]

25. I think you are projecting your own stuff onto others. Those words are descriptive, not angry. n/t

[Mooney]

44. No, they project an enraged stupidity.

Those words are never wielded intelligently. This is why most discussions end that end angrily end with such terms.

[PoliticalAmazon]

22. If Michelle Obama acts like a bitch or a corporate whore, I'll call her one. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

123. I would not use the term

But in fact Michelle's salary more than doubled when Barack hit the Senate, to over 300K a year. And she served on the board of Treetop Corp for more earnings still. The shoe might just fit I am afraid, if it is all about the facts.

Anyone here ever come close to a doubling of salary in a position you were already being paid the market rate for?...Anyone?

[PoliticalAmazon]

131. You think MO qualifies as a bitch because her income increased?!?

Man, I can't EVEN follow that reasoning.

If you think that qualifies as a "bitch" then I have to put on my thinking cap to come up with something far worse than "bitch" to describe Hillary.

[Bolo Boffin]

23. If I ever did, it would be in the sense that Tina Fey did - in full fledged support and admiration.

"Bitches Get Things Done!"

However, under the circumstances, I'll abstain and leave that to her current supporters, where it won't be misinterpreted.

[Window]

101. When I was called a bitch, my response was, "Yes, but I'm a good one."

[snooper2]

26. My thread is calling out..

the SELECTIVE outrage by some Hillary supporters; obviously, that is to complicated to comprehend.

[countingbluecars]

28. Why post threads like this

if not for flamebait? You should respond directly to those calling her those names. As far as I can see, it is a minority of DUers
who use those names.

[guyanakoolaid]

43. Because it's a lot easier to lump all of the opposition into the same basket

Coming from supporters of a candidate who sees no problem in lumping Al Qaeda and Iraq in the same basket, it's not that surprising.

[GOTV]

33. Why couldn't I just think you were wrong without being offended?

[leftstreet]

37. Can we still say "attention whore" here, or is that no longer pc?

:shrug:

[Captain Hilts]

39. I thought white women were 'whores' and black women 'ho's'. nt

[Melinda]

40. I so appreciate you using the word "some", Maddy. :-)

And this is what most distinguishes you from other HRC supporters here. Thanks for that and for all the fairness you exhibit here, period. :hug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

42. It seems you keep trying to compare her to Hillary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4970711

[Debi]

46. I find it interesting that the people who claim not to like those terms

keep creating threads using them. :crazy:

[MonkeyFunk]

49. Because the combination of letters and/or sounds

isn't the problem, though you keep pretending it is.

It's the USE of those combinations of letters or sounds as epithets to describe women.

[Debi]

52. Go read the posts in this thread and the other one we've gone back and forth on

and it's the people who denounce those words that are typing them more than any others.

Seems the words would be used less if the folks who don't want them used would quite using them.

Try it.

[MonkeyFunk]

54. we don't want them used against

our candidate! What's hard to understand about that? They're nasty, sexist terms that have no place here.

Yes, we type them out because people like YOU deny that they're being used here, and they ARE! We've posted link after link showing them being used here.

We're not angered by discussion of the terms - we're upset by the way they're being used here.

[Debi]

58. First of all I haven't used them.

So you stop that. Your post and other posts complaining about use of them just uses them again. The posters you mentioned in the other thread were banned, had threads locked and were suspended from their jobs. But you joyfully used the terms (using them about your candidate) several times in the thread. This thread is doing the same thing. Quit using them. It's almost like (once again) you get some perverse satisfaction out of using the terms themselves and you've found a way to 'safely' use them without getting banned or getting your posts locked. Try not using them. See if you can do it. Many many many posters here have no trouble NOT using those terms. Give it a shot.

[MonkeyFunk]

63. Again

I don't "joyfully" use them. I use them in discussions about the terms, because it's sort of silly to have a discussion about words without using those words.

[Debi]

66. over and over and over again

:crazy:

You've now used them more than the posters who got banned and had their theads locked.

And you'll keep using them.

Sure, to make your point. Right.

[MonkeyFunk]

118. Yes, to make my point

You've now spent more effort on this stupid argument than you've spent fighting sexism here on this board. You're the one who seems obsessed.

[JuniperLea]

47. It smacks of desperation!

If Obama's presidency is all sealed up like "they" claim, then why the need for all the desperation?

[zalinda]

53. That's what I keep wondering............. n/t

[OzarkDem]

50. Fair is fair... let's do it

Here, lets try this



What's up with this whore? She always looks so cranky!



(The purpose of this post instructional and educational only and does not represent the opinion of the poster. Clinton supporters have far too much class to resort to Obama supporter tactics)

[PresidentObama]

51. Two wrongs never make a right. Minus to you people n/t

[OzarkDem]

55. How does it feel?

When that shoe is on the other foot? Tell us...

[Debi]

59. It feels like someone is behaving like a foul mouthed child.

Take a guess at who.

[PresidentObama]

61. OH OH OH. I know who!! Pick me!! Pick me!!

I'm an 'OzarksDem' too, but it's not me.

Hint hint. (Really am from the Ozarks)

:)

[Debi]

67. Okay, but you gotta use nasty words and complain that the only reason you're using them

is because somebody else used em once and you don't want anybody to forget it :crazy:

[OzarkDem]

77. Oh really, which part?

The Republican part or the Democratic part?

[PresidentObama]

84. Sadly, the Republican part. Save me :)

[OzarkDem]

86. I was lucky

to come from one of the rare Democratic counties. Washington County.

[OzarkDem]

76. The purpose of the post

is instructional and educational only and does not represent the opinion of the poster.

[Debi]

78. Which is why the poster posted it?

Seems only one person thought it necessary to post that, trying to spin the 'why' is foolish.

[OzarkDem]

80. Ok, that doesn't make sense

Circular logic never works.

[Debi]

89. You chose to post the photo of Michelle Obama with those words

Now, since it didn't get you any applause or pats on the back you are trying to claim that 'you' wouldn't really do that, just that 'somebody' might and 'how does that make you feel'?

spin, spin, spin. You posted it. Aren't you proud?

[OzarkDem]

93. The purpose, as stated was for education and illumination

Believe me, I wouldn't let an Obama supporter get close enough to "pat me on the back".

[Debi]

98. But you wouldn't ever 'really' do something like that....right?

x(

[PresidentObama]

60. Please show me where an Obama supporter called her a bitch? Please show me where I and other's....

...agreed with such language?

Again, two wrongs don't make a right.

Unless you're a DU Clinton supporter...

[11 Bravo]

64. I'll try not to tax you too much.

Scroll to post #24 on this thread. (And if you are really going to deny that Senator Clinton has been called a "bitch" and a "whore" numerous times right here at dear old progressive DU, then you are either disingenuous (polite-speak for "fucking liar"), or ill-informed (polite-speak for "fucking idiot".)

[PresidentObama]

73. I will not respond to you calling me either a "fucking liar" or "fucking idiot" but....

I will respond to the rest...

This is a big board. If one or two posts get by with calling her a bitch, then I'm sorry...but that doesn't deserve this much outrage and accusing Obama supporters of calling her a bitch. 99% of Obama supporters haven't called her a bitch on this board, and won't. I know Hillary is losing, but you don't have to change the subject by lying about what is or isn't said on DU.

So in closing, I've seen Obama's patriotism questioned. I've seen it implied he's a Muslim. I've seen people attack him for drug use in his youth. And I've seen people claim he can't win merely because he's an African American.

Not all posters on here are perfect. Don't try and lump 99.9% of Obama supporters into a group they don't belong in. If Obama supporters created as much drama and fake outrage because of a SMALL few bad apples as Clinton supporters do, this board would be in absolute chaos.

[OzarkDem]

79. Let me see if I understand this correctly

Its ok if a few "whore" and "bitch" posts get posted by Hillary, but its ok...

OTOH, its zero tolerance for applying those terms to Obama's wife. :sarcasm:

Don't worry, we know this is the rule that has been applied here during most of the primary.

Are you a Current River Ozarker or a Gasconade River Ozarker?

[PresidentObama]

81. Did I say it was ok? Two wrongs don't make a right. AGAIN.

The fake outrage however is dumb.

99.9% of people don't call Hillary a bitch on this board, whether they think she is or not.

I certainly would never do that. I respect her too much.

You all are trying to push this as if Obama supporters all over DU are calling her a bitch. We aren't.

[OzarkDem]

85. We disagree

[OzarkDem]

75. Hahahaha

Search the threads active in this forum. I'm sure you'll find a few.

[PresidentObama]

83. *cough* cop out.

[housewolf]

132. It says a lot more to me about the poster than about the individual pictured in the post

but then, that's just how I see things.

[Kurovski]

107. Well, it annoys me to see you call Mrs. Obama a "whore".

for starters, if she's "cranky", you're using the incorrect epithet.

You should refer to being on "the rag", or even use the dreaded "b" word. But I'd only resort to the b-bomb if, like, she got testy with Barack in the campaign bus and called him a "dickhead", or a "cunt".

[Danger Mouse]

152. It's not instructional. It's just ugly. Ugly when Obama supporters do it. Ugly when you do it.

Just plain fucking ugly.
Please, can we stop this crap?

[StevieM]

56. I don't think the word bitch is an outrage (anymore then the word bastard) but I think the smearing

of Hillary Clinton by Mr. Obama--who has run a Bush vs. Gore camapign against her--has been reprehensible. He is James Lee Witting his way to the nomination in a campaign of personal destruction we have not seen in this country since 1884 when the Republicans accused Democrat Grover Cleveland of fathering an illegitimate child.

Steve

[my3boyz]

62. Well, she is a bitch so I don't mind! Everyone is like ohhhh you

said a bad word if you call her that. Yet, the word bitch is said freely on tv but you are evil if you state the type of person you think Hillary is on this board. I do think the word whore crosses a line. However, that is just my opinion. If someone else wants to say it then fine. I don't have to agree with it. I just don't feel comfortable calling someone that.

[rodeodance]

72. HRC is a DEMOCRATIC pres. cand. You all sound just like RW when those terms are used.

[my3boyz]

147. No...Right Wingers LOVE Hillary and she loves them! She goes

on Fox and smiles from ear to ear. Then they praise her all day and night!

[rodeodance]

148. Obama went on Fox ---He smiled from ear to ear--RW'ers loved him.

[endarkenment]

68. So calling somebody a bitch is equivalent to beating them up?

Seems slightly over the top to me.

[kwenu]

69. Not cool just appropriate on occasion.

[madwivoter]

71. Obama supporter here...

I've never referred to Hillary Clinton as a "bitch" and I probably never would. The reason? I'd need to know her personally to make that type of judgment.

This is quite obviously an inflammatory thread and I was not going to respond, but really felt the need.

If someone calls me a bitch, it's up to me to decide if:

1. ..someone has the right to call me a bitch
2. ..maybe I was a bitch?
3. ..they called me a bitch, I know about it and I feel I need to address the issue

I'm really sorry that's the image you think of whenever you hear someone calling someone else a bitch, but some of us wear our "bitch badges" proudly.

If anybody started calling Michelle Obama names, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't need me or anyone else to defend her. The only thing that would be accomplished by that is letting everyone know your level of maturity.

[rodeodance]

74. WHAT would happen? --This board would crash--with OUTRAGE-& KO would

have special editions on this for days!

[Bonobo]

87. How is this a subject of political discourse in GDP anyway?

Oh I know why.

Because you are losing and looking for an issue to win on!

Okay, you win. Violence against women is real. Congratulations.

It also has nothing to do with this election.

[Forkboy]

88. K&R

:thumbsup:

[Seabiscuit]

91. The responses on this thread prove your point. The Obamanoids simply scramble around trying

to dig up any excuse to use "bitch" or "whore" when talking about Clinton, as if there was nothing sexist or offensive about such word usage.

Some idiot even went so far as to say no one should call Michelle a "bitch" "because she isn't" (implying it's OK to call Hillary a "bitch" because she is?).

Lame-ass hate-spewing mofos.

On edit: A BIG K&R!!!

[Hissyspit]

95. Admin decided 'whore' is generally acceptable when used in reference to selling out of ideals. Bitch

is against the rules, so please hit alert.

[IsItJustMe]

96. I am a Obama supporter and I would never call her either. I would suggest that people who do that

are trolls.

[yellowcanine]

97. "since some of you...." WHO? I call strawman bullcrap.

There hasn't been widespread use of that pejorative so it is a cheap shot on your part.

[DrBlix]

99. Whoever said "sticks and stones will break your bones but names will never hurt you" was wrong

Text of
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Remarks to the U.N. 4th World Conference on Women Plenary Session  
delivered 5 September 1995, Beijing, China
.
No less true today.
.
Excerpt:
The history of women has been a history of silence. Even today, there are those who are trying to silence our words. But the voices of this conference and of the women at Huairou must be heard loudly and clearly:
.
It is a violation of human rights when babies are denied food, or drowned, or suffocated, or their spines broken, simply because they are born girls.
.
It is a violation of human rights when women and girls are sold into the slavery of prostitution for human greed -- and the kinds of reasons that are used to justify this practice should no longer be tolerated.
.
It is a violation of human rights when women are doused with gasoline, set on fire, and burned to death because their marriage dowries are deemed too small.
.
It is a violation of human rights when individual women are raped in their own communities and when thousands of women are subjected to rape as a tactic or prize of war. .
It is a violation of human rights when a leading cause of death worldwide among women ages 14 to 44 is the violence they are subjected to in their own homes by their own relatives.
.
It is a violation of human rights when young girls are brutalized by the painful and degrading practice of genital mutilation.
.
It is a violation of human rights when women are denied the right to plan their own families, and that includes being forced to have abortions or being sterilized against their will.
.
If there is one message that echoes forth from this conference, let it be that human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights once and for all. Let us not forget that among those rights are the right to speak freely -- and the right to be heard.
.
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/hillaryclintonbeijingspeech.htm
.

[Kurovski]

102. Call her what ever the heck you want, I don't give a beetle's butt-fuck about it.

If it gets to the the truth, more power to you.

That's just one use of the word "bitch" you mention in your OP. And that's what YOU think of when you hear it.

We're happy to hear from you in this matter, yet again. Thank you for sharing.

And I have to say, I have NEVER, not one god-damned time, seen one fucking post where Senator Clinton was called a "bitch", but I have seen at least sixteen OPs claiming that it happens frequently.

And as for the "whore" thing, political and corporate both for many people in this corrupt country--including Clinton. It's nasty, it's ugly, but not as ugly as the consequences of the actions of such whores. And that's what I think of when I hear the word "whore".

People who have sex for money are "prostitutes", "hookers", "rent boys", "escorts".

"Whore" has a new meaning in this new American century.

EDIT: OK, :rofl: I just now saw where a woman on this thread referred to Clinton as a "bitch". So that makes one for me, so far.

[GoldieAZ49]

105. Barrack is Michelle's bitch

she has made that clear

Hell her nickname on the campaign trail is "the closer"

[quantass]

106. It's just a word. Relax...unless ur in denial?

[PeaceNikki]

108. I find it revealing, sad and fascinating to read through threads like this.

This and Randi Rhodes bonehead move really show people's true colors.

[Kurovski]

109. It really did.

Rhodes made me think about how we have to be serious about getting fucking whores like Clinton and McCain, Bush and Cheney out of our government, and keep them out.

Too many slaughtered, maimed, sick, homeless, hopeless, etc, in the world from whoring for war, power, self-aggrandizement, and the corporations. Too many sell-outs. People must take this all seriously, and honestly--we as American seem to have hardly begun to let in the horror of what we've allowed.

I hope Obama doesn't turn out to be a fucking whore like so many other politicians.

[PeaceNikki]

115. HA! HA!

You "got" that the term "fucking whore" bothers me so you intentionally replied to me using it.

Don't ever let anyone accuse you of not being clever!



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[Name removed]

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[Kurovski]

140. So you'd rather fuss over word usage than face up to the reality

that whorish politicians create in our names?

They count on that. They count on our internal squabbles, our losing focus on the crimes they commit in their whoring grasp for power. They count on our not paying attention and not making the connections.

I hope you take to heart the post that was deleted. I meant every word of it, and still do.

[Cali_Democrat]

111. You've lost your mind, Maddy

What do you think posting a picture of a beat up woman is going to accomplish? Are you that desperate? Stop trying to associate Obama supporters with wife beaters.

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[Nine]

125. And you stop with your "fauxtrage" - that's the new buzzword around here, isn't it?

Using the b-word is not equivalent to domestic violence. I agree. And using the n-word isn't equivalent to burning a cross on someone's lawn. And using the f-g-t word isn't equivalent to a violent hate crime against homosexuals. But they are all ugly, hateful words, and they are on the same continuum as the more extreme acts, which is why the words alone anger, offend, and even frighten many people.

[dysfunctional press]

112. but in michelle's case, it wouldn't be true- THAT'S the difference.

duh.

[loveangelc]

117. Being called a bitch isn't always a bad thing. Some find it a compliment.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ThShOMf-boE example...haha

[Liberal Veteran]

119. Uh-huh. Using the word "bitch" is the same as domestic violence? How offensive.

And it cheapens the true seriousness of people who have been the victim of domestic violence.

Shame on you, Maddy McCall! Shame! On! You!

[DrFunkenstein]

120. You Are Being Fucked Up (And I Don't Swear Very Often on DU)

Putting up a picture of an abused woman to score a cheap point against stupid people is way way way over the line. I don't know what you think you are accomplishing, but you have really done considerable harm to your own dignity and reputation here.

Edited to clarify.

[housewolf]

124. The most astounding thing to me is that I've come across women who think the word "empowers" them

as in "bitches get stuff done" or something like that

What is it that some women believe that a word that slurs women empowers them?

[Kurovski]

126. Because a word holds the power we give it.

Words change and develop multiple meanings. Because the word is not universally experienced in the same way. Because in the past, when women had far less power, and were actually FEARFUL of being strong, or tough, or even out-right nasty, the word "bitch" was used to shut you up. Now it is accepted that a woman has every right to be all those things, and a women can REVEL in it, if she chooses, and not be completely shut out by society as a whole, and as a given.

Because sometimes it's good to be a tough ass, instead of the eternal victim.

Just my guess, here.

[housewolf]

134. If that's the case, why are some Hillary supporters so upset about it?

Not meaning to give you a hard time - I appreciate that you replied with a reasonable and intilligent post.

I just have to ask...

[Kurovski]

137. I can only quote myself in this...

"Because the word is not universally experienced in the same way."

It isn't going to carry the same charge for a person who experienced repeated abuse from the word.

It's also vulgar, and for some, it's a matter of taste. It is offensive on general principle and some perhaps eschew it on that alone.

I remember when I used to blush and have a physical sense of revulsion when someone would use the term "God damn". I no longer do...perhaps that's clear. :-)

I do hold an opinion that some words can be overused. I wouldn't care at all for the word "women" to be replaced by the word "bitches" in the course of everyday speech. And for some, it does. I think the mothers of most sons who prefer to make it a habit, find ways to restrict it somewhat, if not eventually end the use altogether. :-)

I'm glad we're not yelling at each other, too. I'm yelling a lot here, aren't I?

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[quantass]

128. What is so wrong with using "Bitch"?...here's what i think...

To me i thnk the word "bitch" is the more gender correct version of the general term: "asshole"...its the same as calling a guy a "cock" (used a bunch in britain)....so i dont think men are trying to use it to put down a woman because she is a woman as it is to say she is a real "cock"....I have never called a woman a bitch in my life...i have thought of some as assholes and i equate the two to mean the same....does this mean i think less of women? Not at all....so i tihnk woman should wear it with pride and consider the word just a word as guys do with the many things they have been called.

[scheming daemons]

129. I never call her "bitch".... I call her "asshole"... because that's what she is....

...and that's a gender-neutral term that applies to people that behave like her.

[PoliticalAmazon]

130. About the most unethical logical fallacy I've ever seen. And to pimp...

...an abused woman to make your point, too.

You are attempting to take two dissimilar things (a female presidential candidate and a woman who had apparently been beaten for "not shutting up" and claim that the only common thing between them (the use of the word "bitch" to describe them) somehow makes calling Hillary Clinton a bitch the equivalent of calling a woman who "wouldn't shut up" and was beaten a bitch.

In addition, apparently the woman in the picture was called a "bitch" because she "wouldn't shut up," and a beating followed this.

In Hillary Clinton's case, IMO, she IS a bitch. Not becuase she "wouldn't shut up" but because she acts like a bitch. She is a liar, a cheat, unethical, and thinks only of herself, willing to destroy everything and everybody to get her way.

Hillary Clinton, in my opinion, IS a bitch. IMO, she acts like a bitch, so I call her a bitch.

I have no knowledge of the woman in the picture, but if she was a bitch I would probably call her one. It doesn't mean I would beat her up, or that I was calling her a bitch because she wouldn't shut up...it would be because, IMO, I thought she was a bitch.

Comparing calling Hillary Clinton a bitch to the pictured woman is as logical as comparing calling Hillary Clnton a bitch to calling a female dog a bitch. Two entirely, unconnected issues, the only commonality being that they both happen to be called bitches.

I find your pimping a physically abused woman to unethically try to spin calling Hillary Clinton what she is--a bitch--into something other than what it is--calling her a bitch because she is a bitch--heinous. It is something I would expect Hillary Clinton to do, but I would hope for better from her supporters.

What will you pimp next to try to spin criticisms of Hillary? Pedophilia? Genocide?

[whatchamacallit]

135. Another pukelicious post

:eyes:

[Butch350]

136. I know one thing...

I've got a name that will sum you up pretty good - I think you already know it.

[stahbrett]

138. To me, "bitch" is equivalent to "dick" or "asshole" - "whore" is over the line though

Bitch is just a common way to say that a woman is an asshole, in my opinion. Asshole is gender neutral for the most part, while "dick" is used for similar effect to refer to a man, and "bitch" is used to refer to a woman.

(Referring to a man as "bitch" has a different connotation, of course.)

[madrchsod]

139. yes it bothers me maddy but

you and i have been here long enough to know most of them will go away. people have the right to chose the words they use and we have the right to ignore them or challenge them. i`ve been challenging people who use "barry"...

i get your picture but it`s not what we are doing here. sometimes we act kids in the schoolyard until the teacher catches us...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

141. Michelle Obama is a

Bitch!

[Kurovski]

143. Hot!

She sure dug into Willy the C real good on one occasion.

[Danger Mouse]

150. hypocrite.

[adoraz]

142. what about...

son of a bitch? I've referred to both males and females with that.

What about referring to a guy as a dick as an insult? If you don't have a problem with that, surely you wouldn't have a problem with calling a woman a pussy as an insult, correct? Its the same thing either way.

finally, what if a female calls her a bitch? I have heard PLENTY of females call her a bitch. plenty. does it make it any less wrong for them to say that? I would like to see you back that up if you believe that.

[tyedyeto]

145. At the end of a day's work, .......

some of us (all females) get together for a 'bitchfest'. Not a single one of us has been abused like in your GRAPHIC in the OP. But we will continue to 'bitch' about the day's happenings. Sometimes we will call someone a 'bitch', but we would NEVER physically abuse them such as you lead us to believe with your OP.

Your Op is inherently flamebait as you see anyone who is called a 'bitch' to have been beaten up by someone of the opposite sex.

BTW, even tho I believe Hillary should never be President (the dynasty of Bush, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush is enough for me), it doesn't mean I think of her as a 'bitch'.

[Danger Mouse]

149. I don't think it's okay to call Hillary, Michelle, or even Kindasleezy 'bitches' 'whores'...

or anything of the sort.
As I've said before, we can be angry at them without throwing around nasty terms like that.
For the record, I've noticed some people using those words to insult other DUer's, too, and that needs to stop yesterday.