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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:51 PM Original message |
North Carolina: Obama 49, Clinton 39 |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. Add a little momentum from PA and two good debate performances.... |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. 'maybe'? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Well.. |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Most polls in PA show a less than 10 point lead...yet you say OR/NC is in play yet PA is not... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Yeah we can't take PA for granted |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Yeah...the key is PA. But, barring disaster it will be anywhere from |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
61. If he wins PA it's over |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. I can agree with that |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. I agree with that as well |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Indiana is not "in the bag" |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Sorry....If Clinton wins PA. Indiana is in the bag |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Regional? Indiana and Pennsylvania? How so? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Rust Belt |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Here is what I am talking about - |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Bullcrap. PA and Indiana hardly ever vote the same way in competitive |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Be we aren't talking about Presidential Elections - |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
70. and Indiana is demographically even more favorable to Clinton than PA |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #70 |
100. I don't see how. Indiana is a solid red state and Obama has done better in red states than Clinton. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
62. That has nothing to do with anything. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Plausible |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
35. Hillary will not win NC on momentum. It just won't happen. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
63. Good point! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. Look at those states. One was a caucus and the other has the largest AA population |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
71. Did you miss Wisconsin? |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. I think Obama was going to win Wisconsin as long as this race stayed competitive. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Are you from Wisconsin? |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. She led in one poll in the middle of January when everyone still believed she was (somewhat) |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. The demographics were in her favor, southern WI (next to IL) being excepted |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Of course they do. I also knew he would win Virginia overwhelmingly, Northern Va |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Yes but that isn't enough |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. I think there is a lot of excitement for Obama in Va. Lynchburg, Portsmouth, Richmond, |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Yup... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Hey, I respect your honesty that it's wishful thinking. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Well look who went and put text in the message box! |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. Well I hope he ask her about the columbia trade deal... |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. now SHE is closing |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
5. good! Obama leads in NC by 10-23 points according to what poll |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. 10+? You mean 10 exactly. There is only one OR poll since January |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
38. since when is 10 points a small lead? It' gone up since susa's last poll |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
75. It isn't but there is a difference between "10 plus" and 10 exactly |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
9. Dream |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
34. You Obama folks do not own the copyright for dreaming--so yes I will |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. You do seem to own the copyright on criticizing others for having hopes and dreams.... |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
16. Obama's closing the gap in PA, leading in NC. Do the math, it's over! |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Then why are you so worried about it? |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Who said I was worried? It's over, with or without Mike Hucka...I mean Hillary in the race. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Ok...then this should be a peaceful time for you! |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. It sure is. Minus Hillary and her kitchen sink politics. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Better than the compost heap... |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
64. Because of the congressional situation prodn2000! |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. LOL - right... |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. What is wrong with you? NOTHING is preventing the remaining states from voting. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Sure thing --- |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Over 4 million Dems are now registered in PA thanks to the Clinton-Obama fight |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
90. It is definitely going to help us. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Nobody is worried about it but we do want to get the facts straight. |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
54. Sam Sedar just said he's convinced the Dem primary is over. n/t |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. He also does fake Katherine Harris interviews - |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
17. Fine by me, Obama was up 49-41 in the last poll. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. So she's losing ground? Didn't see that in the OP's spin. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
21. But Clinton is not "holding steady" in PA so the scenario doesn't quite work. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Have you seen today's SUSA poll for PA? |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. Yes it appears to be an outlier - all other polls show major Clinton slippage over the past several |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Only one way to find out - |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Actually no - we have the other poll results now. It is an outlier from them. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. They have been the most accurate this season. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. So you say. Show me the data (all the contests, not just Ohio) |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. A few ones.... |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
97. So I say show more than just Ohio and it looks as if you showed me Ohio? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Remember Ohio? |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
24. She's slipping in Pennsylvania |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Of couse she was higher before Obamacamp moved in. anyone knows that. |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. "Obamacamp?" |
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gaiilonfong (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
29. This is Taylor Marsh propaganda NONSENSE |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Why do you think NC is a lock for Obama? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Show me a wildly inaccurate SUSA poll from this cycle... |
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Tropics_Dude83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Missouri-Feb 4, 2008-Clinton-54%-Obama-43% n/t |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Well there you go - |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. So this refutes your claim that SUSA has been most accurate this cycle then? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. No...there is a chart going around that shows they were are the best this cycle. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #60 |
98. You do that. I can wait. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #49 |
79. Super Tuesday was a wild card. You can cherry pick one ST state from any firm |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #79 |
99. You mean kind of like you all do with Ohio and SUSA for 3/4/2008? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
40. REC |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #40 |
74. Me too. Obama up by double digits is terrific. |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
47. would you contend that Hillary probably needs to win NC to remain competitive? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #47 |
81. No. She has very little chance there |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
51. Wasn't it Bill Clinton who said NC would be important? n/t |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #51 |
84. It will matter, especially since it conceivably could be the only state left O will win |
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thevoiceofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
58. Another SUSA poll |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
73. LOL. Only you (and your Hillary-lovin' pals) could spin a double-digit Hillary deficit |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. -8 to -10 isn't "holding steady"? Under what convulated definition? |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
77. Keep Spinning!!! |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
78. NORTH CAROLINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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MattNC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #78 |
91. classic tune! |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. haha yes! |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
87. K & R! |
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MattNC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
93. He is not going to lose NC |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
95. Looking good for Obama! |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-08-08 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
96. There is no way she'll win NC. |
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