A wager on who Obama picks as Veep.

[RememberWellstone]

I'll bet almost any amount of money that it will not be a black man nor will it be a woman. Anyone care to bet? I want to save this post for posterity cuz I know I am right.:headbang:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

1. I'll take the same wager that neither would Clinton if she were the nominee. nt

[RememberWellstone]

7. Harold Ford?

that would have been a fair name to throw out for her. He has no one but who will help him, but they will not be like him...at all.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

30. Ford is a DNC putz. And they probably would have replaced Dean with him as DNC chair.

They would never give him the VP spot. She was promising it to people like Bayh.

[mucifer]

2. My guess would be Webb, Murtha or Clark

a white military anti-occupation type of guy.

[ginnyinWI]

66. Webb should be Sec-Def.

I can't think of anyone I'd rather see in that job. He'd do our military proud.

[Pirate Smile]

71. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hagel get that spot - Sec of Defense.

[Olney Blue]

3. It's going to be Bill Richardson, imho.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. A wager on who you'll vote for in the GE.

I bet it won't be a black man or a woman.

[RememberWellstone]

5. You're on!

And you have already lost! I don't drink the same juice you Oompas do, I think for myself. I will stay with Hill until the last hoorah. Bank on it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. Hillary won't be in the GE

Hurrah!

[RememberWellstone]

13. Right.

Are you 100% sure? has Obama won the nomination yet? Have all the shoes dropped? Nope, stay tuned, this will get gooder and gooder before it's over.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. Well, yeah.

:shrug:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

6. I agree.

I'm thinking older white guy.

[RememberWellstone]

10. Gravis Tas again.

He has no experience in any domestic or foreign matters. None.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

14. Uh, I think you mean "gravitas."

And just because I agreed with your OP doesn't mean I voted for Hillary.

[RememberWellstone]

17. I voted for Hillary

and will stand until all the cards have been played. Gravitas, got it...buzz words are so vogue in an election.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

20. It's not a buzzword.

It's a fairly common word that's been around for a long time.

[scheming daemons]

9. It certainly won't be Hillary.... Obama wants to win....

....

[RememberWellstone]

12. I wonder why he has'nt thought of any women?

Same ole shit...this has nothing to do with change. There will be some 70 year old white guy to go head to head with "experience" against McLame.

[scheming daemons]

21. Kathleen Sebilius is said to be on his short-list...... that's one....

In any case... we have no idea who he's thinking of.


Other than.... it ain't going to be Hillary.... His goal is to win in November... Hillary is ticket poison.

[Auntie Bush]

29. Kathleen Sebilius is booooring and a lousy speaker.

Reminds me of that Ad.

However she's very pretty and a good politician...but not a good candidate.

[RememberWellstone]

48. +1

She does'nt have the "it" factor and she is quite stale.

[kwenu]

55. So a woman is named and now you want to talk about why she isn't good enough.

Typical.

[Auntie Bush]

59. What's gender got to do with it?

Other than I think she is very attractive. Am I suppose to support every woman whether I think she is good or not. Read my post for my reasons for thinking she would not be a good VP. Now Barbara Boxer....and you're talking.

[kwenu]

63. Frankly, I don't know what you're supposed to do. That's your business.

But, the post talked about NAMING a WOMAN on OBAMA'S shortlist. As if there weren't any. Somebody named a woman on the shortlist and now you're talking about what's wrong with that woman. Nobody said name a woman that YOU like.

[Auntie Bush]

65. I guess we are climbing different trees and trying to hold hands.

Nether one of us knows what the other is talking about.
We're being :silly: :crazy: :headbang: :banghead:

[powergirl]

64. What about Claire McCaskill?

Can you name another woman, aside from Sen. Clinton, that you would like? I like Clair McCaskill.

If Ann Richards were alive, I would vote for her to be president of the planet. May she rest in peace.

[gateley]

32. How do you know he hasn't thought of any women?

And same ole shit? I'd think a young black President indicates a LOT to do with change.

[RememberWellstone]

53. A hunch

I say, run the tables..this would be a huge change. SOS means, there will be an old white guy standing next to Obama, who represents the old guard, bank on it.

[gateley]

57. You may be right --

but the old white guy might be the best qualified, although I'd LOVE to see Boxer (regardless of who the nom is).

[Honeycombe8]

81. Why SHOULD he consider someone's gender? The whole point...

is to choose the best running mate, regardless of gender or race. There are a LOT more middle aged white men to choose from, who would add to the ticket, than black men or women or white women or Latino women or ... you get the idea.

Fact is...politics is all about numbers. Another black man wouldn't bring much to the ticket (but a couple would...thinking Colin Powell, but he's a Repub). I can't think of any woman, other than Hillary Clinton, who would bring crucial votes to the ticket. But there are a number of white men who would.

It's all numbers. Obama's got the numbers to be at the top of the ticket. He will no doubt look for someone who has got the numbers to be second on the ticket. Votes in crucial states, lots of popular votes generally, money, add to the folks who would contribute to the campaign, connections, etc.

[slick8790]

11. I'm thinking Tim Kaine.

He's a wildly popular former governor of a state trending blue (VA) that we have a real chance of flipping this election.

[RememberWellstone]

16. Unless he's a tranny

Tim is a white guy with big teeth. Obama knows what we all all know. He is riding a imaginary wave of support. The GE will be a major wake up call. The experience thing will kill him.

[loveangelc]

42. Ok, if Obama is riding an imaginary wave and he's ahead, what is Hillary riding?

so silly

[RememberWellstone]

49. He does'nt have Hillary supporters

And so, yes it is an imaginary wave of new voters who likely not show next November. This is Dukakis all over again.

[loveangelc]

51. if you say so...

:eyes:

[RememberWellstone]

54. He has'nt won us over yet, has he?

I think it is NOT a given that we will be behind him in any way as of today. Trust me on this one sweetie.

[loveangelc]

58. Do Hillary supporters want to see Roe v. Wade overturned?

I think he will do all he can do win over Hillary supporters.
I think Hillary supporters, especially women and older women that gave Hillary support, is that if you vote for McCain or stay home, you are going to role back any progress made by women, as McCain is almost definitely indifferent about women's issues. He doesn't even know what condoms do! And he will appoint people on the Supreme Court who are "strict constructionists" which is a codeword for, someone who will overturn Roe v Wade.

Do you want someone who knows NOTHING about the economy, healthcare, choice? will you spite the entire country because your candidate was not chosen?

[knixphan]

15. Yeah, I gotta go with the '24' wisdom

...DB Woodside claimed he needed Powers Boothe to win, and Boothe was an old white hawk, almost republican...

Obama wouldn't go that far, but I guess he'll flip a coin between Webb/Biden/Clark.

Okay, I'm flipping two coins...

It came up tails-tails - which means Biden.

[David Zephyr]

18. Barbara Boxer.

Barbara and Barack both publicly opposed the war before it began.

Barbara has more experience than Hillary does.

Barbara would help swing Florida with Jewish Americans.

Barbara Boxer would excite the activist base.

Barbara Boxer can raise lots of money.

[MessiahRp]

23. I would be quite happy if it were Boxer

I mentioned that possibility months ago. She's absolutely fantastic and she IS more experienced than Hillary.

Rp

[gateley]

33. I'd be absolutely giddy if it were Boxer -

When Biden was still in it (for that brief moment) I thought she'd be a great VP for him, too.

[RememberWellstone]

37. No way

Nice thought but the reality is...no women in power.

[WA98296]

73. Boxer would be FANTASTIC!

[newmajority]

87. As much as I would love to see Senator Boxer on the ticket

She IS a Senator, and two of them on the ticket isn't a good move. Also, I remember Senator Boxer saying a few months back that she had no interest in running for President (and one would assume VP) because she thought she was needed in the Senate. I'd have to agree..... we wouldn't want California putting another Feinstein/Harmon type in her place, would we? Or would it be a Herr Gropenator appointment? (even worse) I forget what the rule is there.

[Alexander]

22. Probably Wesley Clark or Russ Feingold.

[dysfunctional press]

44. clark is in the clinton camp. feingold would make the ticket appear too liberal for mass appeal.

bill richardson or joe biden are my guesses.

[democrattotheend]

62. Feingold is one of my top choices

He is progressive but soft-spoken on social issues, making him less offensive to social conservatives. His ethics record is in line with Obama's, he makes Wisconsin (which Kerry came very close to losing) safer, and he might help with the Jewish vote a little too.

[Alexander]

82. Agreed. He also takes away McCain's strongest issue...

Campaign finance reform. The McCain-Feingold Bill would not be an advantage for McCain if Feingold was on the Democratic ticket.

[Raine]

24. I agree

it will be a white guy to appeal to those who have "issues" about a black or a woman. I think it will be Webb, Biden or Clark.

[mucifer]

25. RemWell if you think Hillary's experience is so great why wasn't this her

in 2003

Watch the 3 minute interview then tell me who knew back then what was gonna go down in Iraq if we invaded:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzmXy226po


Yeah Obama quite the idiot.

[RememberWellstone]

45. She's not psychic.

Just because Obama voted against does not mean he knew anything would be different. Hell, if the Iraq war were over now, the rethugs would be chirping like chicken hawks at their success and Obama would look like...Obama. It makes no difference who voted aginst it now...it's about who can get out us. We need to be out, no sense on going over the past. I see no indictaion that he is qualified nor does he have a viable strategy.

Stephanie Powers said as much.

[mucifer]

61. did you watch the video? He was "psychic". He said what would happen if

we entered the war. He predicted a civil war between the Sunni and Shiites, he predicted we would have a terrible time getting out, he predicted lots of death for our soldiers and very high cost for the tax payers. The past does matter. Lets face it he had a better sense of what was going on in the region than her.

[AllentownJake]

26. Don't know

There are a lot of women in the democratic party who are really qualified and if you took Sex out of the equation would be very attractive candidates. Kathy Sebelius comes to mind.

[knixphan]

27. *note, while I think he'll choose Biden,

I WANT him to choose BOXER.

[gateley]

34. And I don't want him to choose Biden.

As has been mentioned, that's like Robin/Batman.

I want Biden to stay where he is and not be part of anyone's administration.

[newmajority]

88. You don't think Biden would be a good pick for Secretary of State?

He just might be the best person available for that job.

[gateley]

91. I think he'd be a great pick, and do a great job,

but the very fact that you're a part of an administration means you have to curtail yourself somewhat. I think we need Biden in a position where he can pretty much call his own shots without having to worry about toeing the admin's line. Plus, I'm not too sure how well Biden COULD curtail himself :7.

[Bensthename]

28. Biden or Clark.

[pa28]

31. Who knows.

I just want George Soros for treasury secretary. I can dream anyway.

[UndertheOcean]

35. Dennis Kucinich

GO Dennis!

[RememberWellstone]

38. Dennis is a woman??

I did'nt know he was black too?:7

[GoesTo11]

36. Could be a woman

If Obama as GE candidate won all his supporters combined with all Clinton's supporters, that would be enough to win the election.

But I will be surprised if he picks a woman. McCain will push the women's vote back to Obama.

[Bobbieo]

39. We sure could use Clark - the diplomatic warrior!

[Thrill]

40. Jim Webb more likely

[loveangelc]

41. Isn't the rumor that Gov. Sebelius may be his VP?

[RememberWellstone]

47. It won't be.

Hell, he couls have a "rumor" that Paris Hilton will be the next veep...does'nt mean a thing. He won't pick a woman or another qualified black veep (Harold Ford) imo.

[loveangelc]

52. so?

what if the most qualified person is a white man? Do you think he should pick a VP based on whether they have a vagina?

at the ame time, i would not be surprised if eh picked the ks governor.

[RememberWellstone]

72. Thats my bet.

I am just speculating whether or not it will be one of the two, it won't. It's getting late...did you say Vagina? Can you say vajayjay or something different? Vagina sounds creepy.:wow:

[loveangelc]

92. haha, cooter?

[RememberWellstone]

96. muffin'?

sounds...sweet and whatever. I dunno....gosh.:blush:

[MattNC]

69. her name always pops up

But I think it's just speculation more than anything. I doubt he and his staff have given VP thoughts much, if any consideration. I doubt she'd turn Kansas blue in November (others may disagree), so it's a case of to what degree can she "bring back" female voters who are cool to Obama nationwide.

[Danger Mouse]

43. Maybe Richardson or Sibelius.

Why not a woman?

[tekisui]

46. I think it should be a woman. I would be willing to bet, just to encourage

that idea.

[RememberWellstone]

50. You're on!

This should interesting to see.

[JI7]

56. Richardson, Webb, or Clark and maybe some non elected former military

i guess Clark would be included in that, but some others with the similar background.

[democrattotheend]

60. I think he might pick a woman

Depending on where things stand at the end of the primaries picking a woman might be really smart for him, in order to reach out to women who are disappointed about Hillary not being the nominee. I am terrified of McCain picking a woman and getting some Democratic women as a result. I think Sebelius, Feinstein, or maybe Maria Cantwell might be good choices.

[ginnyinWI]

67. the answer lies in what he considers he's weakest on.

That's what he said the other day--he'd pick someone who had something he lacked.

I hope he picks Richardson.

If he picks a woman, everyone will say he needs her to get Hillary's supporters.
If he picks a white man, everyone will say he needed a white person to get elected.
(Although in fairness, most available people are indeed white men)

Richardson is big on the environment and diplomatic foreign relations. And he's not from Washington, at least not recently.

I'm probably wrong though. Obama usually comes up with something entirely unexpected.

[RememberWellstone]

75. No to the backstabber, he'd lose Hill supporters

In a heartbeat, guaranteed. Then it will all make sense why Richie jumped ship and everyone would be oissed.

[Pisces]

68. Jim Webb

[cboy4]

70. I wonder if it will be that backstabber Bill Richardson?

What an awful person he turned out to be.

[FrenchieCat]

74. Why? He didn't kiss his master's ass hard enough?

[cboy4]

78. No, because he failed as a human being to remain

loyal to the family to which he owes everything he's accomplished in his professional life.

Without being hand picked out of the dozens of equally qualified people for those jobs with the Clinton Administration, he'd be just another lawmaker.

Now we're hearing he promised Bill Clinton five times that he would not support Obama.

Of course, now it all makes sense.

Since Mr. Richardson needs help in achieving, he dumped Hillary because he saw his chances of getting another job with the White House fly out the window.

There's a difference between "kissing master's ass" and loyalty.

You don't know the difference?

What a rotten human being Mr. Richardson turned out to be. Just terrible.

[TAWS]

80. Wasn't Richardson running for president against Clinton big enough of a hint?

That he wasn't going to kiss their feet?

[cboy4]

85. People keep bringing this up, and I'm not sure why....There's

only one job opening for president, so friends will end up running against each other.

The comparison is apples and oranges.

There's a huge difference between running for president and siding with someone once you drop out.

Richardson was very courteous toward Hillary during the debates, which is why many pundits kept saying they wouldn't be surprised if Richardson was posturing for the VP slot.

[leftstreet]

76. Maybe an unknown - like Brian Schweitzer MT Gov ?

:shrug:

[gateley]

93. He's cool! I'd love to see more of him! nt

[AmericanUnity]

77. I bet KAINE, Gov. of Virginia. Earliest Super friend of Obama, fluent Spanish speaker, popular

[BenDavid]

79. Save your money. Obama will not get the chance to choose

anything except what Senate committee he wants to sit on in 2009.....

[AmericanUnity]

83. Dream on

[Swamp Rat]

84. John Edwards would be great

or Dennis Kucinich.

[newmajority]

89. John has said he won't accept the VP slot.

Which is OK, because he would be better as Attorney General.

Hell, I think I need to start one of those "Dream Team" cabinet threads......

[Swamp Rat]

90. hell

I'd be happy with Elmer Fudd or Betty Boop as Obama's VP. :D

[newmajority]

95. Elmer Fudd is already Vice President!!

:scared:

[newmajority]

86. I've been thinking Bill Richardson for a long time.

I'm thinking that's even more likely after the recent endorsement. Obama's probably got a good shot at flipping some of the formerly "red mountain West" states as it is, even a better shot with a Western governor on the ticket. And Bill Richardson has a solid background in the areas of energy and foreign policy, which are obvious assets given the current state of the world.

Obama/Richardson sounds like a damned good ticket to me.

[saltpoint]

94. I predict it will be Val Kilmer.