Hillary's Hoosier Chair: Obama Running "Negative" In IN

[bridgit]

During the Clinton campaign's call with reporters, Hoosiers for Hillary co-chair Joe Hogsett, who is a former secretary of state of IN, said Clinton had run a "very positive campaign" in the state and that in just the last three weeks, she or her husband had made 35 appearances in 19 cities. (State director Robby Mook later said it was all three Clintons who together had made 35 campaign stops.) Hogsett said Obama's campaign had only visited the state twice and that his campaign had gone negative.

"In contrast to Sen. Clinton's positive, forward-thinking, visionary campaign directed at Indiana concerns and Indiana problems, the only real effort the Obama campaign seems to be making in Indiana is to launch negative attacks against Sen. Clinton," Hogsett said. "Just a week or so ago, one of their first big announcements was the creation of a negative attack truth squad. Again today apparently there was another such effort."

HRC Communications Director Howard Wolfson was asked a series of questions about the effects of Mark Penn's decision to step down as chief strategist, while continuing to play a role in the campaign. He likened the change to a newspaper's editor-in-chief stepping down from that position but continuing to help produce the paper. Woflson refused to answer whether Penn was still taking part in "intracampaign" conference calls.

Mook said the state campaign is opening three offices today, bringing its total statewide to 17. He said that while Clinton's campaign was about "jobs, jobs, jobs," Obama's campaign seemed to be about "attack, attack, attack."

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/04/hillarys_hoosie.html

[GarbagemanLB]

1. poor hillary...all the big boys are ganging up on her.

[bridgit]

3. No, word is that she's offering alternatives, and he's offering smear...

par for the course, right :thumbsup:

[madrchsod]

13. is`t she ready now?

i thought she was as tough as big john when it came to being in charge...but she`s got her boy out crying obama`s a big meanie... maybe she it`s "tough enough"

[tekisui]

2. Wolfson sweating for Penn.

They should have canned him when they had the opening. Now, Penn will dog them until it's over.

[bridgit]

5. Penn never made sense to me...

:shrug:

[tekisui]

10. He clearly made much sense to Hillary.

And still does. She owes him $2.5 million and keeps him on the campaign.

I don't get it either.

[bridgit]

12. That's the part that made the least sense of all.

[Lucky 13]

4. "Negative Attack Truth Squad" - LOL!!

Does this mean he has people calling her on her lies and that is being called a negative attack? Cause that's what I got from it.

[cooolandrew]

21. We can't be having the truth it might set us free and stuff.

[bridgit]

31. Um, no, he's attacking with negativity instead of offering a point-plan for Hoosiers...

and the problems they face as a people: oh! I got it I got it, it just took me a minute there :sarcasm: But it really is just all about the snark, right?

That's what wins elections, someone's been reading g.w. bush's play-book ;)

[redqueen]

65. Weren't negative ads about Obama / NAFTA before OH her strategy?

Oh but it's bad now, though... right... I get it... I think... OK not really.

[faithfulcitizen]

6. fwiw as a hoosier, I've seen LOTS of Obama ads, not 1 negative, and not one Hillary ad at all.

Hogsett = irrelevant, btw.

[Cha]

22. Right..if a hilary surrogate says it ..

it must be true. They lie and smear about Everything so saying Obama's running a negative campaign when hilary who hasn't run on anything positive yet is now all of a sudden gone "positive" and Obama's gone negative?

Many lies from clinton..

"Why Hillary’s Lies are Important"

By - March 24, 2008, 9:53PM
Hillary Clinton has been caught in a series of lies and misrepresentations during the primary campaign. To some of her supporters, these lies may seem trivial and insignificant and even politics-as-usual. However, please consider the serious impact of these lies by placing them in the context of the past seven years of the Bush Administration and the legacy of expanded executive power that he leaves behind. In particular, consider the dangerous message that the Clinton campaign sends by employing similar tactics to achieve her political goals.

1. The Florida and Michigan Primaries / The Delegate Count
Hillary agreed to honor the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates after their primaries were moved up into January in express violation of the DNC rules. She did not change her position on the validity of these primaries until she found herself unexpectedly behind in the delegate count and desperately needed to claim the delegates that she had won in these unsanctioned contests. As her chances of winning the nomination became increasingly slim in recent weeks, we have been presented with threatening and desperate lines of reasoning for why these primary results should count as is. At the same time, Clinton and her surrogates continue to propose different metrics for determining who should win the nomination even though there is and has been a clearly defined process in place for several decades.

Please think about the implications of changing election rules after the fact. We have suffered through at least one stolen presidential election and the manipulation of untold numbers of Congressional and state elections through various vote tampering and voter intimidation schemes used by the Republicans and their allies. The American people (and especially Democratic voters) have lost faith in the integrity of the election process. The Clinton strategy to continually change the rules for determining the Democratic Party nominee sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to increasingly un-Democratic elections in the future if it is allowed to succeed. If anything, we need more transparency and methods of accountability in our elections in order to repair the damage done in recent years and to restore our confidence in the Government.

2. The Bosnia Fabrication / Exaggerated Experience Claims
Hillary fabricated a story about a dangerous, life-risking visit to Bosnia in order to gain stature as an experienced negotiator in international conflicts and war. While this type of embellishment can seem almost comical, it represents a willingness to distort reality in order to influence the public perception. This is the same type of distortion that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, although the magnitude of the lie is certainly on a different scale. The Bush administration falsified reports, cherry-picked intelligence, used unreliable sources, and employed fear-mongering tactics to convince the American public that our safety was at risk and as such, you were either with us or with the terrorists. The lies used by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are impeachable offenses and should be condemned by all Americans. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seems to have shown a shocking willingness to employ the same tactics to create a more favorable reality and to rely on divide-and-conquer rhetoric to weaken opposition. Her attempts to frighten the American people by conjuring up 3 AM phone calls are bad enough, but her vote of confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama should be seen as treason against the Democratic Party.

3. NAFTA
Hillary lied about her position on NAFTA and used her lies in a calculated way to influence the Ohio primary. Recently released White House documents confirm that Hillary had been an active proponent of NAFTA prior to its passage, and she has continued to support it publicly in her speeches and memoir. However, while campaigning in Ohio, she claimed to have been privately against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency and believes that it should be rewritten to protect American jobs and workers. This type of maneuvering is reminiscent of the behind-closed-doors policy-making that the Bush administration has used during the past seven years. Specifically, Bush and Cheney have made policy decisions without providing transparency to Congress or the public, and President Bush has repeatedly ignored the rule of law by issuing signing statements and disregarding the parts of the laws that he doesn’t agree with. If we cannot trust Hillary to be truthful about her positions on critical legislative issues now, how can we trust that she will be truthful as president?

These are just three examples that illustrate the concerns we should have with a candidate who demonstrates a sense of entitlement to the nomination and is willing to lie, misrepresent, threaten, and divide in order to obtain the nomination. President Bush and the neoconservative movement have greatly harmed this country by the creation of an imperial-like presidency. This election is not just about whether a Democrat or Republican wins but if the checks and balances are restored to the three branches of government. The framers of the Constitution were in such fear of an imperial president that mechanisms for impeachment are prominently and explicitly included in the Constitution. If Hillary Clinton is willing to use lies and deceit to win the Democratic nomination, what assurances do we have that she will not continue to use them once she is president?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/why-h ...

<snip>

"Her response to being caught lying to a military audience, when she invented a story about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, was to say it wasn't surprising she got some things wrong, seeing how she spoke millions of words every day. What a magnificent idea, that if you say lots of words some of them are bound to be fantastic lies. So if you listen carefully to horse-racing commentators they say things like "And it's Teddy's Boy still leading three furlongs out as they come up to the fourth last fence with Nip and Tuck two lengths behind by the way I fought a tiger once, punched it clean out and they're all safely over."

<lots more>
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/opinion/article3 ...

"It's not that lying to pad the resume, avoid Indictment or to advance her political fortune is anything new for Hillary Clinton. She famously said she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary (debunked); she told New Yorkers she was a Yankee fan when she lived in Chicago (debunked); she told rural New Yorkers that she was a "duck hunter" (debunked); she claimed that her daughter Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center at the time of the 9/11 attack (debunked by Chelsea herself.) And, those subpoenaed Rose Law billing records just happened to show up one day on a hallway table in the most monitored home in America!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5431080

[dchill]

28. Nothing in the OP or the linked article...

specifically defines any "attacks" - so the story itself can only be described as either an attack by Obama, or another false cry of "Victim."

Projection again. Old, old, old.

[Cha]

29. You got it..

More old bullshit from hilary and her surrogates.

[madrchsod]

7. good god not more he/she is attacking the other

is`t there anything else to say...

[SemiCharmedQuark]

8. I go to school in Indiana, and I have only seen one Obama ad.

It's not an attack ad either. I haven't seen any Clinton ads at all.

[bridgit]

50. Hm, a poster above says they've recieved "LOTS" of them...

what the heck x(

[SemiCharmedQuark]

52. No idea. It's NW Indiana though.

Maybe they just assume it's too close to Chicago to waste money and time on ads here.

[bridgit]

54. Hm, could be, prolly 'targeting' or doing stuff that campaign people do...

:hi:

[faithfulcitizen]

75. I'm in hendricks county, just outside Indy. I see about 5-7 ads/day. He's on every channel too. :)

I've seen maybe 3 or 4 different ones, but not the Grandma one yet. (hope they run that one soon) I don't think he'd spend much near Chicago, or NW Indiana either. That ain't Clinton country. ;)

[bridgit]

86. My mom's from up round there...

:hi:

[AllentownJake]

9. Negative

= Spending Money because they don't have any and they are at a disadvantage...SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA

[Pirate Smile]

14. LOL - plus he shrinks her leads when he starts campaigning in a state. He is doing a bus tour in IN

this week - SHAME ON YOU, BARACK OBAMA!

[AllentownJake]

17. He didn't get the memo

The other candidates were only there to put a show of a primary on. There was supposed to be huge victories in Iowa, NH, SC, and NV followed by a coronation with confetti on Super Tuesday. SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA.

[anamandujano]

11. REC and what else is new.

[Condem]

15. WTF

do you expect them to say?

[bridgit]

18. It was all over (after the Petraeus stuff) XM - POTUS 08, and it would seem

many other people were expecting O-B-A-M-A to run something other than a negative campaign in Indiana, except of course O-B-A-M-A supporters...go figure :shrug:

[johnnydrama]

16. huh?

Does anybody have any idea what this means?

"Just a week or so ago, one of their first big announcements was the creation of a negative attack truth squad. Again today apparently there was another such effort."

What is a negative attack truth squad?

is that where when you point out a hillary misstatement?

[quakerboy]

19. Wait... Hillarys people are accusing Obama of being negative?

wow. what a shock. Will the sun rise tomorrow?

[crankychatter]

20. really? Did he mention her crackpot religious affiliations? her gender?

no?

[bridgit]

24. I am confident they are on his rotation, yep!

[crankychatter]

25. just waiting for examples

btw, anyone that quotes Jung is ok by me

[bridgit]

26. "anyone that quotes Jung is ok by me" small wonder you're a BHO supporter...

Y'all are tops, and I mean it, really-really good on twisting whatever words are to be found :bounce: good job, hope you get that shit-talk you require :thumbsup:

[crankychatter]

38. aw you must be pro-freud

He said young women had false memories of molestation by their fathers because they unconsciously wanted it or some such SHIT.

Kind of like Clinton defending that child rapist, accusing the 12 year old victim of "fantasizing about older men."

You're right... it makes perfect sense.

[crankychatter]

39. I take it back now, and consign you to the nether realm

*poof*

[bridgit]

43. ah yes, ignorance, the mark of a true kool aid drinker...

good job sticking that head in the sand, The New World Order awaits you :thumbsup:

[bridgit]

44. what a darling little garden variety clinical diagnosis you must be...

:crazy:

[jackson_dem]

23. What else is new? Obama began directly attacking her on day 2 of his campaign in 2007

And he implicitly took a shot at her when he announced his exploratory committee. He is a hypocrite. "New kind of politics"? :rofl:

[bridgit]

27. up is down, war is peace...hey wait a minute; that means left is right...

phony balony liberal is phony balony conservative :cry: oh well, it was fun while it lasted :headbang:

[jackson_dem]

30. You are denying he came out swinging when he was down 20-30 points?

[bridgit]

33. Not in the least. He was first with that Attack Time-line stuff at his site...

by a couple months as I recall, but berated HRC for doing so when she did in response to his cause it was pure snark. A prince among men perhaps :)

[AtomicKitten]

34. Nope, again you've got it backwards. It was Clinton that documented her nonexistent persecution.

In response to which a mirror site was begun for Obama.

You are doing a heck of a job, Brownie, trying to muddying the waters here.

:hi:

[jackson_dem]

35. I supported Edwards but am not a kool aid drinker

I can admit Edwards went after her hard and did so early in the campaign. So did Obama, although in a generally more masked way. No big deal. This is what candidates do when losing. Why can't Obamites admit Obama doesn't walk on water and is subject to political realities? Clinton was up by 30 points over Obama and 40 points over Edwards last October. She wasn't going to lose that lead unless they attacked her and both stepped up their attacks at that time. Obama even almost bragged about "the gloves coming off" in a newspaper interview before a debate.

This is why Obamites are often called a certain thing. They can never admit Obama is not a saint. The truth is Clinton ran the most positive campaign in 2007. She didn't do it because she is a nice person. She did it because she was leading by 20-30 points over Obama and 30-40 over Edwards. She had no need to attack them. They did and attacked, just as Dean, Clark, and Kerry were the targets at various times last time and the rethug target shifted from McCain to Giuliani to Romney and back to McCain again during their campaign (with Thompson, and later Huckabee getting a considerable amount of fire as the undercard for a period). But hey, St. Obama is immune to what every other politician does. :eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

36. The VICTIM card only works on you guys.

[jackson_dem]

37. Didn't Obama win the SC primary 2:1 over her and 3:1 over Edwards by playing the victim/race card?

[AtomicKitten]

41. Your lame attempt at psyops is duly noted, but the truth resonates regardless.

[bridgit]

40. You need to go by his site, then her site, and review the dates that those pages were setup...

He was posting neg-head stuff about her months before she suggested likewise about him. I fully understand you do not want to believe it...but give it a try. I posted that refutation here months back now, and it has already been absorded...you are if nothing else a true kool aid drinker, good job :thumbsup:

[AtomicKitten]

42. Her list of alleged (reads: imagined) slights came first.

But thanks for playing.

Edited for:

[bridgit]

46. I'm not going to search it out for you, though I will assert here: BHO simply does not deserve...

some of the supporters that claim to support him...but then again maybe he does, and thank you for being you

[AtomicKitten]

48. back at ya!

:hi:

[jackson_dem]

49. kool aid is right. Only kool aid would make someone think Obama's campaign matches his rhetoric

He promises to transform politics, run a clean campaign to usher in the new play nice era and then he goes out and hits her below the belt from the very beginning of his campaign. He is a huge hypocrite.

Here is a 30 second video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk16oxb4Ck4 that shows it real well. This was when Clinton was at her zenith in October (over 50% nationally in some polls while St. Obama was in the 20's) and everyone else was desperately trying to make it a race. Fortunately for Obama Edwards showed up and did the job. Obama's attacks were ineffective. Too bad voters rewarded Obama for Edwards' points. :eyes:

[bridgit]

53. Oh I know, lets 'hope' he 'changes' voting for crap like this...

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00213 so he doesn't vote for a war he can't vote for...but does vote for an energy bill that essentially provides the unspoken as-such reason for going to war!

Now *that's* a slick trick. Old as dust; but slick every time. Cause nobody ever sees it coming when they're engaged elsewhere, or happy to play 'watch the birdy' :cry:

[Honeycombe8]

45. And...we are always at war with Oceana, but no one remembers what started it. nt

[bridgit]

47. Motherfucking Oceana, shit! You got it...

[dchill]

32. "implicitly took a shot at her"

That's one hell of a stretch - even for you. BTW - bridgit is on your team.

[rodeodance]

60. I saw your post--good job jdem....

[DemGa]

51. The BO campaign is behind a concerted effort to smear

Clinton as a liar. Dirty, dirty BO.

"Obama Camp Memo on Clinton “Misleading” Voters"

http://thepage.time.com/obama-camp-memo-on-clinton-misleading-voters/

[bowens43]

56. Hate to break it to you

but Hillary IS a lair. Hillary has smeared Hillary as a liar. The woman has been know to be a liar for many years. This is nothing new.

[DemGa]

58. Same crap they did to Al Gore 2000 -- done by a Democrat

http://ariannaonline.huffingtonpost.com/columns/column.php?id=228

[indimuse]

61. I officially

consider Obama and his campaign..GARBAGE! thanks for the link.

[PVnRT]

73. Gee, what a shock

[bowens43]

55. poor little hillary, is she going to cry again?

[bridgit]

64. From what I heard she's going to stand there and talk issues for Hoosiers...

while BHO does all the smack talk

[Jokerman]

57. Joe Hogsett wouldn't know the truth if it smacked him in the head.

Their decision to make that jackass co-chair is just one of the reasons I'm voting for Obama.

I speak from personal experience.

[PVnRT]

72. Bwahahahahaha

Exactly. I was at a campaign rally in Terre Haute in 2004 - he's a jackass. Frankly, I'm glad I voted for Steve Carter that year.

[DefenseLawyer]

88. Joe Hogsett is a tool of the highest order

Typical smarmy political insider that sees party politics as a civic club, not as a way to actually advance ideas and run the government. I also speak from personal experience.

[Vinca]

59. Well, it's apparent what needs to happen. Barack and his supporters

need to call it a day and give Queen Hillary the nomination. :sarcasm:

[workinclasszero]

62. Aww...

I guess Hillary has not been fully vetted yet, eh? She wouldn't be able to stand up against the big bad rethugs in the GE for sure.

Just stand aside Hillary, Obama is ready at 3AM to kick rethug tail this fall!

Who cares if Hillary is creating jobs in Columbia anyway?:mad:

[eridani]

63. Howzabout doing nouns and verbs instead of adjectives, wot?

You know, ad A said X, Y, and Z, and I think those things are negative because-----

[redqueen]

66. This is just sad.

Didn't her campaign run on negative ads before OH? Canada? NAFTA?

Oh but this is different, I'm sure. It always is, somehow.

Pathetic.

[bridgit]

67. Tragic, simply tragic...

The lengths people will go to to support Dick Cheney's secret closed door energy policy that has driven America into the nightmare energy scenario she sees before her today...tragic, you're about to get the president you truly deserve http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00213

And no, that's not true. She ran on wonky, mind-numbing policy details for months while he stood around waving & grinning from within pom-pom adoration. Dude has yet to get down to much of anything cept down & dirty by proxy and jiggy on the Ellen Show...but he & you are good with that.

Cool Beans :hippie:

[redqueen]

68. Aaahaahahahahaha...

Okay then... you obviously just see what you like, and ignore the rest.

I guess you also managed to ignore her parroting the White House's lies about Iraq... 10 months AFTER the war started? Not just spreading the "Iraq/Al Qaeda connection!" lies in her IWR speech?

Yeah... well... I guess all I can say to you then is good luck. :hi:

[bridgit]

69. If nothing else this primary season has displayed in grand fashion...

our various, nuanced, and quite exquisite abilities to not merely ignore; but see right past and talk right past one another. Though riddle me this: Barack says he was unable to vote on a war he would not have voted for cause he wasn't able to do so...a very lawyerly, seemingly balanced thing to say. Yet he has voted for Iraq war funding ever since while dancing round leaving troops scattered all round the place of not the world; and as a topper voted for the energy policy that has long since been admitted as to why we are there if for nothing else = OIL!...riddle me please, I'd love to hear from a thinking BHO supporter as to why he felt obligated; nea! Compelled to vote in support of the largest neocon scam/theft of the treasury America has ever known. Kerry didn't. Clinton didn't. Did he just want to be 'in with the In Crowd', cause that was quite the grounds fee I must say.

Now...I'm not about to accuse you "ignore(ing) the rest" as that isn't my preferred style (big with BHO supporters as is clear), I'd prefer you comment on what's right in front of your eyes ;)

[redqueen]

70. Easy!

On the energy policy - I would guess it's due to the strong nuclear energy presence in his home state... kinda like the vaunted Biden is with the banking industry. :)

As for voting for funding... it's a fine line... most murkins believe if you don't fund the troops you're liberal pinko commie scum... so... he chose to play that one safe.

Honestly, their votes have been nearly exactly the same.


Now would you care to be so gracious as to share your thoughts on why Clinton decided to repeat those White House lies about Iraq? 10 months into the war? When the failure to find WMDs was becoming impossible to ignore?

I wonder how many Senate Dems backed up the Iraq/Al Qaeda lie... I sure was shocked to see her back it up with such confidence, as if she knew for a fact that it was true.

[bridgit]

84. I think to presume this is not a dangerous world is a dangerous premise on it's face...

In the milieu of a pretzel-dent (who'd a thunk it, but for we in this household and others I am sure http://www.awakeninthedream.com) enshrined in all that is supposed to be noble about America i.e. field intel; many, and not just HRC, but many more were lead into realms they had not thought possible. WMD's or no. Listening to a contemporaneous espouse of the psychology of bin Laden on the way back in from St. Helena & Calistoga (which by the by, much of this nation trundles forward in spite of it all somehow = ain't ignorance grand?) it was laid out as a contiguous time-line of terrorist accomplishment. No. I'm not going to lay them all out. But lawmakers are put upon to arrive at solutions for what are to others mere abstracts. Enter by lesser means: ways to resolve matters that are perhaps themselves suspect, maybe even clearly so.

But that does not imply to any degree, that a certain lawmakers attempts to resolve such matters makes them then per se suspect. Unless of course they are republican, or Zell Miller. I draw the line there.

To assert that HRC is some version then of Zell Miller is to my mind other worldly. Or specious at best to they that are opposed to her.

But is serves no long tern interest imfo to cast dems as a practical matter into such lights.

We here in this household are socially liberal, fiscally conservative. But we both come from military families, and so likely have alternate views about defense of this nation. Which is not to suggest that one should simply walk past stones that are calling out to be turned over. In fact turn them over!

After having done so, initiate your plan...assuming you (not *you* but the proverbial 'you') have one.

It is good to have a plan. In a world where the best laid plans of mice, men (including BHO), and by extension: women read here HRC; sometimes go awry; here's hoping they do not instead.

Cause I'm straight-up tired of that shit.

[redqueen]

87. Was any of that supposed to rationalize or explain

her reason for saying that Iraq posed a threat to us, when they so very clearly did not?

[bridgit]

89. In the halls of congress & the senate, I am quite sure that much more than even that...

is being put out forward as 'rationale' for a laundry list of items it is clear to me now you are not even prepared, on perhaps any level: to absorb with any eloquence. But that's OK. Let's just keep it right here for a moment.

To the great shrieking pom-pom waving cheers of the supporters of BHO, he did not vote for a resolution he was unable to vote for. Nifty. Very well. Coolness. That's clear enough. He wasn't even there. He was off somewhere else making designs upon the presidency. Many people already understand that. Too many of his supporters 'hope & feel' he is some pristine, pure-organic entity that was birthed from the center of a clear, alluvial moon pool of clean flesh potable water and that's fine as well...until of course it isn't. Though in any event...

When he finally did have an opportunity to vote for a bill with substance effecting America in ways that supported the war he says he didn't have an opportunity to vote for...he fuckered it up. And made the wrong decision & vote. Maybe he thought he was really-really thinking outside the box. Being all fresh & fly. So far as I'm concerned he only put himself inside one providing with his strange vote bush/Cheney, and every neo-nut, no-bid war profiteering crony DC has ever known their 'invisible rationale' for going into Iraq, oh well...

So much for his grand assertion about being right on Day 1...he was already wrong on Day 1, his supreme court votes? Days 2 & 3. Mukasey? Day 4, etc, etc, etc...

I do grow weary of counting on behalf of people that will not count for themselves.

Get you head past WMD. You'll need to have been fool-able to buy that for too long. But we don't drive an SUV, or a Hummer for that matter.

But to ignore that 'we' have in fact gone into Iraq to capture oil is light-headed. To explain away your candidates vote on a bill that sustains that thrust & theft of national treasure and the spilling of blood for corporate interests is rather something else. Forget BHO's; it is approaching the pernicious for the sake of your own ego.

It would seem in the end that you really aren't prepared to "ignore the rest". You're prepared to ignore it all

Look at the upside, maybe your guy just wanted to be accepted by & thought of as being 'In With The In-Crowd' :thumbsup:

[redqueen]

90. "Absorb with eloquence"?

:rofl:

I wasn't talking about WMD... just the fact that 10 months after the Iraq war started, it would have been sane for her to recognize the fact that Iraq was actually NOT a threat...

But since you're insisting on trying to dance around the point... nevermind...

[bridgit]

92. That's fine too cause if it isn't WMD, it's al-Q, if not them? Freedom & Liberty...

If not those such lofty poetries? Bringing American Justice to a lawless world, something else, (fill in the blank), regional 'interests', Clash Of Civilizations!! (i know i know, it sounds like a Sinbad movie), Israel, etc, etc, etc...the point is that so far as Corporate America is concerned it is at it's base about oil. And that's what your guy voted for.

[redqueen]

93. ...

:rofl:

I see you're willing to talk about *anything* but her decision to help spread lies... anything at all. Hahahaha... okay.

Have a good day.

:hi:

[bridgit]

94. Why thank you, back in a little late, but we had a wonderful, productive & lucrative day

:bounce:

[PVnRT]

71. Horseshit. There are two ads I've seen from Obama played a few times

Neither of them negative. Nor was Clinton's stop in Terre Haute (right next to the Obama HQ, by the way) disrupted, nor have surrogates around here been running around attacking her. All the attacking I hear comes from the right-wing grunt squad at the office I work at.

A poster above was correct. Hogsett is irrelevant, and has done a shit job managing the party at the state level. It wasn't the help of the Indiana Democratic Party that unseated Republican incumbents in the last Congressional electin, it was outside forces.

Fucking pathetic - just making up lies and hoping people swallow them.

[Skwmom]

74. Yeah, more jobs for people overseas. It really takes some nerve

to say you'll fight for American Jobs when you and hubby sent thousands of them overseas.

[StevieM]

76. Obama's success is a combination of media steroids and a hateful campaign of personal destruction

eom

[OzarkDem]

78. He's only made 2 stops in Indiana, Clinton 32

Smash and grab campaigning.

[AllentownJake]

81. Don't you have

Pots and spoons you should be getting ready for the Today show? Better make sure they are nice and shiny for the cameras :-)

[OzarkDem]

77. Obama's "attack" strategy is losing traction

He's not making headway.

Clinton talks about jobs, Obama talks about Hillary.

[AllentownJake]

79. Hmmm who's going negative?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5437731&mesg_id=5437731

Seems like Obama's talking about energy policy and she's talking about Obama.

Shouldn't you be getting your pot and metal spoon shined up for the protest in NY

[DemGa]

91. Obama has been going negative

Repeatedly calling Hillary a liar -- the worst kind of character assassination:

"Obama Camp Memo on Clinton “Misleading” Voters"

http://thepage.time.com/obama-camp-memo-on-clinton-misleading-voters/

[anonymous171]

80. Too bad she just started airing negative ads on the radio.

"Deflect and distort." Clinton's New Campaign model.

[SoxFan]

82. "visionary campaign"?

Calling Hillary's campaign visionary is like calling the 2007 Dolphins a football juggernaut.

[Major Hogwash]

83. "During the Clinton campaign's call with reporters" - are they whining to reporters still?

It won't matter in 2 weeks. After Hillary gets beat in Pennsylvania, she isn't going to have a chance in Indiana.

Hear me now, believe me later.

[bridgit]

85. Evening, Major, here's hoping you days going well these days...

:)