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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:24 AM
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Oh My. Mark Penn's Company Worked with Bush/Cheney! (along with Former Clinton appointee Quinn)
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 12:25 AM by berni_mccoy
Not only was Penn's Firm working for Colombia's Trade Deal,
not only was one of it's chief's Charlie Black, McCain's campaign advisor,
not only were they Blackwater's primary PR Firm (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller#Blackwater_USA),
but they formed 360 Advantage, an extreme RW media organization with many of the people from the Bush/Cheney 2000/2004 campaigns (I wonder if Rove is involved).

From Source Watch: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller#Burson_and_Bush_men

In April 2005, Jack O'Dwyer's Newsletter reported that Burson-Marsteller had joined with Quinn Gillespie & Associates to launch 360 Advantage, a public affairs shop filled with "key players in George W. Bush's successful presidential campaigns."
360 Advantage is headed by Russ Schriefer, who did advertising with the Bush/Cheney 2000 and 2004 campaigns and produced the 2004 Republican National Convention, and by Stuart Stevens, a "Bush adman and veteran political strategist." Schriefer and Stevens were also partners in the Stevens & Schriefer Group in Washington, DC, and have worked on presidential campaigns in the Czech Republic, Nigeria, the Philippines and Congo (Jack O'Dwyer's Newletter, Vol. 38, No. 17, April 27, 2005).


Digging deeper here: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=360_Advantage#Staff
360Advantage's staff includes "key players in George W. Bush's successful presidential campaigns." The firm is headed by Russ Schriefer, who did advertising with the Bush/Cheney 2000 and 2004 campaigns and produced the 2004 Republican National Convention, and by Stuart Stevens, a "Bush adman and veteran political strategist."
Schriefer and Stevens worked together at Maverick Media, were partners in the Stevens & Schriefer Group in Washington, DC, and also both worked on presidential campaigns in the Czech Republic, Nigeria, the Philippines and Congo (Jack O'Dwyer's Newletter, Vol. 38, No. 17, April 27, 2005).
Other staff include:
Ken Rietz
Richard Mintz
Charlie Black
Scott Pastrick
Jack Quinn
Edward W. Gillespie
Craig Veith
Jason Meath
Ashley O'Connor
Stephanie Kincaid
Shellie Purvis


Note: Charlie Black is McCain's chief campaign strategist and advisor. But here's one that's even better: Jack Quinn: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Jack_Quinn
Jack Quinn is co-chairman of Quinn Gillespie & Associates, "a strategic consulting company he formed in January 2000 with Ed Gillespie."
"Before co-founding Quinn Gillespie & Associates, Mr. Quinn was a partner in the Washington, D.C. law firm of Arnold & Porter for twenty years. In addition, Mr. Quinn served as Counsel to the President of the United States from November 1995 to February 1997. At the time of his appointment by President William Jefferson Clinton, he was Vice President Albert Gore, Jr.'s Chief-of-Staff and Counselor, a position he undertook in June 1993. Between January 1993 and May of that year, Mr. Quinn was the Vice President's Counsel and deputy Chief-of-Staff. Mr. Quinn was also an Adjunct Professor of Law at Georgetown University Law Center where he taught a seminar in constitutional law for three years.


My, my Hillary, you really know how to pick em. And you are still paying this guy over $100,000 PER DAY!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:26 AM
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1. What's wrong with that?
They have known and worked with the Clintons for years.

Its "just" business as usual.


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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:30 AM
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3. Exactly. Those who think Hillary is going to change anything or honor her campaign pledges
Had better look again. It will be 4 more years of the same with her.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:26 AM
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2. wow you're good berni
going thru the details now...just wow!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:00 AM
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24. Thanks... just digging around.. finding some good ore to prospect.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:30 AM
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4. They're a PR company
not a partisan political operation.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:51 AM
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5. That does PR for quite a lot of slimeballs that Dem candidates should not associate with n/t
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:44 PM
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40. That's true. It's kind of like outsourcing your message.
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samdogmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:49 PM
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50. Penn's partner is involved in the McCain campaign!
How do you think this is going to play out? Do you think they have "walls" or do you think they talk "amongst" themselves? Me? I think the talk--just like they did in 2004 when Kerry got the shaft from some of his "advisors"!

This is a huge reason why I do not trust NOR will I vote for Hillary Clinton. She doesn't have the sense to hire "good/trustworthy" advisors!
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:07 PM
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53. No.
Sorry, but no. It's located on K Street. Real PR companies are located on Madison Avenue, not K Street. 360 Advantage is a PR company, sure, but they are a partisan, political PR company. A DC PR company that handles political clients is a partisan creature. Democratic firms don't handle Republican clients, and vice versa.

Which is what makes this line-crossing interesting.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:54 AM
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6. Yuk.
Feels like I'm reading about the "dark side" and not about the direct associates of a Democratic nominee running for office.

Its the money people all in bed together!


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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:55 AM
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7. Somebody write the book already!!!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:22 AM
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8. These are the linkages
that help us put the response to Obama into the proper context.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:42 AM
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14. Great point!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:22 AM
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29. Well... they *should* help... they're mostly studiously ignored though,
or rationalized away... it seems like.

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:38 AM
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30. Ignored only by the blind Clinton supporters who have gone mad trying to defend her.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:54 AM
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9. If it worked for Bush Gang, it will work for Hillary
They're all part of the same status-quo political machine. It has little to do with Party affiliation and everything to do with core ideology and class warfare.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:45 AM
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17. Yep.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:59 AM
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10. Her supporters may still be paying for Penn.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:07 AM
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16. They are, at the cost of over $100,000 per day.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:17 AM
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11. Oops! K&R!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:18 AM
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12. There's a name for people who'll do anything for money. nt
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 07:53 AM
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15. Don't go there N/T
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:26 AM
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21. Lanny Davis?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:38 AM
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13. When you consider how many PR firms there are in this country...
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 06:39 AM by polichick
It's absurd to think that a candidate with pure intentions would choose this one.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:00 AM
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18. Was Penn working on this during the campaign?
I don't think it's fair to judge candidates on all the clients their consultants had in the past, but if Penn was working with these guys while simultaneously working on Clinton's campaign that's a problem.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:19 AM
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19. His company is working with them in an ongoing basis. From Penn's company website:
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:35 PM
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44. A campaign should be very carefull in everything they do they should make sure all their
workers and consultants have a good solid background no ax muderers or pedophiles to say the least. And using the same people as your opposition is a no brainer to know that is never going to look right just right wing in this case.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:24 AM
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20. Mark Penn, Charles Black, and FISA lobbying for AT&T
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:29 AM
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22. this has been reported before
but with penn`s new problem i guess it`s worth revisiting...it`s about judgments not experience. her judgments have proven to hurt her and the people who support her.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:48 AM
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23. Do you have a link? I'd like to see the earlier report. Of course, SourceWatch has known
about the connection. It was news to me.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:02 AM
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32. here`s three
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/05/09/the_real_case_against_mark_pen/
TPMCafe | Talking Points Memo | The Real Case Against Mark Penn

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/05/us/politics/05labor.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
A Top Clinton Aide Draws Criticism From Unions - New York Times

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3694881&page=1
ABC News: Edwards Likens Clinton Strategist To Rove


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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:16 PM
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34. Thanks! The TPM one is especially good.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:02 AM
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25. Looks like "McCain is qualified" was more a personal M Penn strategy than an HRC camp strategy...
(if we give HRC the benefit of gigantic bags of naivete. Otherwise, she's knowingly in bed with the dark side even more than we suspected.)
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:04 AM
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27. Nah, she really, really likes McCain. She really is in bed with the dark side.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:25 PM
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35. o.kaaaaaaaaaaaaay, ya big arm-twister
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:27 PM
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37. LOL!
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:04 AM
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26. Free Trade-Gate bigger than any of them IMHO, the current FT agreements hurt this country
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:20 AM
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28. I'm not sure if the FT issue is as big as Bush... Bush has been more damaging...
But I see your point... Clinton actually stands for free trade even though she says she doesn't. But she also supports Bush even though she appears not to.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:56 AM
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31. Who knew? Figures! didn't she vote for Bush's War?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:07 AM
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33. And Kyle-Lieberman...
Hawk! I tell you, H-A-W-K!!!
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:26 PM
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36. ... puts to rest any doubts left in any reasonable person's mind ...
... who exactly a Clinton Presidency would benefit and why she's so willing to align herself with McCain and against another Democrat.

Obama was one of the original "Dean Dozen" - funded by the grassroots DFA, and still connected to and representing the people of America.

Clinton, on the other hand, is 100% Bilderberg, BFEE insider: representing the corporate status-quo.

And let us not forget how much time Bill has spent kissing Poppy's ass since 2000.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:41 PM
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39. Nice summary.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:33 PM
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43. Yep. Who's a true Democrat?
So much of what has come out of the Clinton campaign this year is typical Rovian tactics. Voting w/Bush on so many wrong bills. War, FISA, etc. The Clinton-Bush coziness is nothing if not suspect. I don't know how anyone cannot see that. There's still that little town in W. Ark.(won't call it by name)w/the airport that shipped out lots of guns......Hmmmmm.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:38 PM
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38. Exposure
I luv it
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:48 PM
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41. Imagine if she had won the nominee and this was discovered *after* the convention...
Clinton supporters love to point out how 'unvetted' Obama is... Clinton's still got some doosies in her closet!
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 11:53 PM
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55. She may still win it...
Everyone underestimates the Clintons. I fully expect them to steal the nomination. And possibly steal the election. They have some very powerful people behind them. Behind the curtain so to speak.

And if not, well, some nut may shoot Barack Obama. Or he may die in a plane crash. Or commit suicide.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:09 PM
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42. Kicking for the Dinner Time crowd.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:36 PM
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45. these fuckers (the clinton crew the bush crew) certainly are corrupt
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:38 PM
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46. What a Cozy Bunch They all Are (nt)
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:43 PM
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47. Why am I not suprised about this??
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:43 PM
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48. Don't worry, David Axlerod will catch up soon!
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/mar2008/db20080314_121054.htm

David Axelrod has long been known for his political magic. Through his AKP&D Message & Media consultancy, the campaign veteran has advised a succession of Democratic candidates since 1985, and he's now chief strategist for Senator Barack Obama's bid for President. But on the down low, Axelrod moonlights in the private sector.

From the same River North address, Axelrod operates a second business, ASK Public Strategies, that discreetly plots strategy and advertising campaigns for corporate clients to tilt public opinion their way. He and his partners consider virtually everything about ASK to be top secret, from its client roster and revenue to even the number of its employees. But customers and public records confirm that it has quarterbacked campaigns for the Chicago Children's Museum, ComEd, Cablevision, and AT&T.

ASK's predilection for operating in the shadows shows up in its work. On behalf of ComEd and Comcast, the firm helped set up front organizations that were listed as sponsors of public-issue ads. Industry insiders call such practices "Astroturfing," a reference to manufacturing grassroots support. Alderman Brendan Reilly of the 42nd Ward, who has been battling the Children's Museum's relocation plans, describes ASK as "the gold standard in Astroturf organizing. This is an emerging industry, and ASK has made a name for itself in shaping public opinion and manufacturing public support."


Seriously, are you really naive enough not to know they ALL play at this level? If you really and truly believe that Obama's campaign is somehow "special" and pure, you are in for a very rude awakening. As in, Axlerod helping AT&T fight municipal wi-fi:

http://www.prwatch.org/node/7128

Oh, and helping power companies push through a rate hike:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/03/7765_astroturf_axelr.html

And pushing a shady museum project in Chicago:

http://arcchicago.blogspot.com/2008/03/childrens-museum-battle-moves-to-plan.html

Yep. The only difference between him and Penn is, he's not as obvious. Makes it that much simpler, doesn't it?

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:44 PM
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49. Berni... Did You See Any Of This:
Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 06:44 PM by WillyT
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:40 PM
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51. Right, this Lounge Lizard Mark Penn is the worst kind of sleaze-ball
...who plays all sides of the political arena for his own and his firm's enrichment. He has no loyalties to any side or really any group. He uses insider information and confidential knowledge of each side's secret strategies to compile a total picture of the likely political moves that are to be taken and then and then exerts that understanding to sell out to the highest bidder or bidders and doesn't exclude foreign interests, including those who could and possibly even would bring harm to the United States. He is in a very real way a classical traitor!
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 08:58 PM
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52. Just how deep does the rabbit hole go?
I think we've seen enough to make the right judgment call here... Agreed?

Thanks for the post...
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:14 PM
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54. ugh...I feel sick...
we are so fucked again.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:05 AM
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57. Late to the party, but I'll give it a kick!
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