What is the difference between Iowa/Wisconsin women and Ohio/Pennsylvanian women?

[Tropics_Dude83]

It's weird. Obama won women in Iowa and Wisconsin or at least tied.

In Ohio and Pennsylvania, Clinton is winning or won women by 10-15 points.

What is the difference here? Is it socioeconomic, education, culture, etc?

[Jackpine Radical]

1. Look at the SAT scores.

WI & IA are always fighting it out for first or second place.

[BzaDem]

4. Working class people don't count!

Don't tell me that's not what you're implying.

[Ysabel]

39. high degrees of education and working class are not mutually exclusive (n/t)...

[rodeodance]

7. What an elitist crap post

[JVS]

11. Hold up a second. WI and IA are deep in the heart of ACT country.

This means that only people who plan to go far away need the SAT's. This could account for higher scores.

[HereSince1628]

14. Except when a Wisconsin minority places last in the nation in writing

and when 84% of Wisconsin students can't read at grade level, and when only 54% of Milwaukee kids graduate from HS.

Progress is the state's motto, not its reality.

I don't think it's possible to make blanket statements about Wisconsin education that leave anyone feeling good.

Very much too my disappointment, Wisconsin is leaving a huge number of children behind.

[Ysabel]

37. Wisc. School data (WINSS) gives opposite info...

Wisconsin's Information Network for Successful Schools (WINSS)...

wisconsin combined reading proficiency levels grades 3rd thru 10th are *ABOVE* 80%...

http://data.dpi.state.wi.us/data/graphshell.asp?Grade=99&GraphFile=GEDISA&DETAIL=YES&Group=AllStudentsFAY&SubjectID=1RE&EligibleOnly=NO&Level=ALL&WOW=WSAS&ORGLEVEL=ST&FULLKEY=ZZZZZZZZZZZZ&DN=None+Chosen&SN=None+Chosen

[WinkyDink]

22. Yes, because neither has an Ivy League school.

[democrattotheend]

2. Wisconsin and Minnesota have a little bit more of a progressive streak than the rest of the Rust Bel

Wisconsin also has same-day registration, which made it easier for students to vote. So that may have helped him win women in Wisconsin. It will be interesting to look at which subgroups he won there once we get the actual data from the exit polls.

[WinkyDink]

25. Who is speaking of Minnesota? As for Wisconsin, I think you mean "Madison".

[myrna minx]

44. and Stevens Point and Wausau and EauClaire and Milwaukee.

I grew up in Wisconsin and while there are very conservative areas of the state, Wisconsin has large areas of progressives throughout the State.

[BzaDem]

3. Open primary

In WI, Obama won the Republican vote 70-30 and also had a bigger margin among the independent vote. This was a boost he didn't get in Ohio (he tied the Republican vote and the indy vote was very close). In PA it is closed, so there are no Republicans or indys.

[Tropics_Dude83]

6. Except for those who switched registration to democrat before March 24 n/t

[AllentownJake]

21. Ding Ding Ding

336,000 new democrats at last count. 8% of registered democrats registered as a democrat after 1/1/2008

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

28. Those early registrations are almost certainly "real" Democrats...

The Republican nomination didn't become a done deal until February, and I can't imagine Republican registering as Democrats in January on the off-chance that they could effect the Democratic outcome, particularly with the outcome of the Republican race was still in doubt.

The later the registration, the more likely it becomes that you could be seeing cross-over voters.

[AllentownJake]

29. At the beginnig of March

It was 85,000 registrations. The last count as of April 7 was 336,000 registrations

2% decline in GOP registrations overall 4% decline in Independents.

The Obama campaign collected a good percentage of the 336K in their drive.

[KittyWampus]

5. Age? I think PA has close to oldest population, overall.

[Lucky 13]

9. might be on to something there...

[polichick]

8. Hey, don't lump us all together...

Women in the Philly burbs are for Obama!

[Lucky 13]

10. Oh man... there's a joke in there somewhere. But I'll let it go...

... in deference to my friends in all 4 states.

:)

[Bicoastal]

15. My first though, too, was a set-up to some awful joke that'd get me (deservedly) tombstoned.

Ain't we bastards...

[Lucky 13]

18. Well if it had involved West Virginia... maybe I would have gone there.

I have to remind myself daily to behave.

[CoffeeCat]

12. I think it comes down to PA and OH....

..having greater numbers of women in the specific demographics that trend toward Hillary.

Hillary snags more blue-collar and lower-income women. In those states---OH and PA--there
are more women who fit those demographics, than there are in Iowa and Wisconsin.

[ginnyinWI]

13. Obama showed up in Wisconsin, HRC not until late.

Obama was here all week, got on the local news every night and had a lot of contact directly with voters. He visited the GM plant in Janesville and began to emphasize economic issues for the first time, which got him on the national news. His team was organized--signed up volunteers at every event and got a phone banking operation going over the weekend.

HRC came to her first event here on Saturday. Sunday there was an ice storm and everything got canceled, including Obama's event. But he already had been seen all week. Monday she did a few small quick appearances which didn't get a lot of coverage, like at the "Brat Stop", a small restaurant in Kenosha. Bill was here during the week for a bit, but was practically ignored. In other words, her campaign blew it.

[sybylla]

35. Obama's campaign was also here on the ground for weeks when Clinton's was not

In fact, she never really had a force on the ground until the last few days before the primary. She was caught off guard here. Preferred to focus on the big delegate states.

In essence, she didn't expect to have to campaign in Wisconsin because she thought she had it all sewn up. Super Tuesday proved her wrong and then she had to scramble.

In OH and PA she had plenty of time to get her ground game going before the primary. If she had actually run a campaign here, we might be able to make a better comparison as to why Clinton didn't do well with her "demographic."

[Saturday]

16. They don't get MSNBC and CNN in OH and PA. nt

[dchill]

30. Yes we do.

[Freedomofspeech]

17. Hey, I'm a PA woman...

first of all I'm a 59 year old educated (masters)Caucasian female for Obama. All of my female friends are for Obama, as are all of my male friends but one. Our population here is older, and we have fewer bachelor degrees in this state than the average. One reason for that is that our students get no breaks on tuition in this state (out of state students do pay higher fees). Anyway, I think these are two big factors for the Hillary support. Also, many people still feel the romance of President Clinton (hey, I thought he was wonderful), and are hoping to have him back in the White House. Oh, we do get CNN and MSNBC in this state. We are polluted with rednecks in the SW,North and Central part of the state.

[WinkyDink]

23. Virtually identical in c.v., here. However, I think a lot has nought to do with race, but with our

illustrious if fractious Industrial Revolution past: coal; steel; railroads; even oil. Unions became extremely important here, and we rewarded politicians who helped us along (I speak as a coal-cracker AND steel-worker's daughter). Thus, the Democratic Party's success here.

I think many here think as the Mayor of Bethlehem: We remember the Clinton Administration's help, and if Bill wants PA. to help his wife, that is what PA. will do.

[democrattotheend]

34. Where in PA are you?

I appreciate all of these perspectives from people within PA. What's your sense of what's going to happen there?

[Freedomofspeech]

41. SW..richard scaife country...

there are some people here who will never vote for a black person, however, I think his support is much stronger than people realize. I think it will be very close. I would love to see Sen. Obama take the state!!

[PA Democrat]

42. Hi Neighbor.

I'm another white female who should be in Hillary's demographic, but I am voting Obama. I know several other women over 45 who will be voting Obama, and probably an equal number for Clinton. :hi:

[harun]

19. Iowa/Wisconsin women are more educated (n/t)

[WinkyDink]

24. And your evidence would be.....??

[harun]

38. I grew up in Wisconsin, lived in Iowa for a year and have now lived

in Pennsylvania for 5 years.

I would say the difference is the education culture. Not so much level of education or numbers of those with higher degrees. The educational culture in WI, IA is more positive and productive. Both strong progressives states, even though they vote close to even.

Each location has their respective areas I see them doing better or worse in. Pennsylvania has a great tradition and expertise in Constitutional Law and understanding of the importance of it. That is an actual cultural aspect too, not just a few people. They also have a great insight in to the importance of action in bringing about change, not just complaining about it but making it happen.

You won't get any evidence from me, just my opinion from living in both areas.

[totodeinhere]

20. Iowa and Wisconsin held their contests earlier than the other two states.

When Iowa had it's caucuses and Wisconsin held it's primary, Clinton hadn't yet started her kitchen sink strategy. But then after losing so many contests culminating with her big loss in Wisconsin, Clinton got desperate and started negative attacks on Obama which drove his negatives up. Also, she started playing the gender card. These factors caused Obama to lose women's votes in the later contests.

That is one of my main gripes with the Clinton campaign. They have used despicable negative attacks against Obama which will hurt him in the general election campaign against McCain.

[Barack_America]

26. The same could be said for White Males. It's not gender, it's Midwestern versus...

states with a touch of the, er, South.

Democrats are different in those states. Dems in the Midwest tend to be more like Independents. And Hillary has also never been liked in the Midwest.

Ohio and Pennsylvania politics are more varied and complicated. The states are often split in their influences (north/south for Ohio and east/west for Pennsylvania). If I dare say, racism is also more prevalent in these states. Particularly in blue collar areas with declining industry.

[ShortnFiery]

27. The Midwest is not driven as much by *machine politics.* Simply - no money = no carpetbaggers.

:shrug:

[Barack_America]

32. It's all connected really.

I think the easiest way to boil it all down is that the Midwest is just more independent.

Freer from machine politics, freer in thought, freer from the divisions of old. All connected.

[sybylla]

36. You know, you may just have a point there.

Being a Wisconsinite, I can say there is an overwhelming sentiment against political machines here. We don't like having our candidates "chosen" for us whether it's by the media or party machinery or the candidate's campaign crying inevitability.

Very independent minded voters here, regardless of party.

[AllentownJake]

33. I think you hit the nail on the head

Rethugs use racial and religous tactics more in this state to keep people divided and voting against their own economic interest.

[dchill]

31. Maybe not much difference after all.

"Across just about every demographic — old, young, blacks, whites, women, men, rich, poor and in Democrat-rich regions such as southeastern Pennsylvania and Philadelphia, Clinton's numbers are slipping."

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/04/09/obama_clinton_0409.html

[VotesForWomen]

40. a few months and a fad dying out. nt

[woolldog]

43. More educated voters in WI and IA.

It's that simple.