I need to edit my post on MSNBC for accuracy

[Tropics_Dude83]

Edit: JaneAustin just pointed out that these weren't reporters. That, in fact, one person interviewed was a republican strategist. I didn't realize this. I thought they were just reporters. My apologies

MSNBC just interviewed 2 strategists. They said that most superdelegates aren't really uncommitted. They're undeclared. And they secretely plan to vote for Obama but they won't say such now because they're terrified that the wrath of the Clintons wil come down on them if they admit this.

The fact that these are strategists and not reporters kind of makes my original post pointless.

[Symarip]

1. Tsk Tsk

You said the 'T' word. Stand-by for incoming fire.

[XemaSab]

2. The Clintons are thugs

:(

[Tropics_Dude83]

22. Yes they are thugs n/t

[MadAndy]

49. Thugs, liars, and influence peddlers.

[crankychatter]

3. k / r

completely believable

[crankychatter]

47. just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get me

yup

[Vinca]

4. You can't blame them after the reaction to Richardson.

Shame they don't endorse en masse and share the heat.

[roguevalley]

45. what heat? hillary is going to be the loneliest person in the senate

when this is over. they have no power now. they have made too many enemies and squandered their goodwill and reputations.

[Georgie_92]

5. I wished they would anounce and be done with it already.

[crankychatter]

11. the voters need to speak more... as much as dragging this out galls me

They will use the MI and FL fauxrage to cast aspersions on the legitimacy of Obama's nomination...

I don't want them to have any added help with an allegation of the SDs over-riding the people's will.

I only hope she can tone down the snarky and lurid tone of her campaign

... but we can't rely on her to do the right thing, eh?

weathering the storm...

[lisa58]

18. I agree (and I'm not surprised)...

...I think it's an advantage for the dems to continue as they will get to campaign in every state and lay a much better foundation for the general election than if they don't, so having the campaign continue is fine.

After all the primaries and caucuses are done and it's clear whose got what, the SD's can declare their preferences.

[Political Heretic]

6. Where do they get that from?? How is that any more credible than what I say about SDs?

Most superdelegates are actually secretly planning to vote for Ralph Nader. That's what I "hear."

How is what they are saying more credible than what I just said?

[LSK]

9. Ralph Nader is a Democratic Primary candidate???

:wtf:

[Political Heretic]

48. You know what I mean, dammit.

:)

[Tropics_Dude83]

19. Well they do have extensive sources in D.C. and elsewhere n/t

[quantass]

7. k&R

[tishaLA]

8. I don't think this is surprising

News reports have basically said this, but in a veiled way, for a while now. That, I think, is the stuff going on behind the scenes that Sen Reid was talking about a couple weeks ago; it has been implicit in the things Gov Dean et al have been saying, as well.

[mohc]

10. While there may be some truth to this, I find the concept silly.

So there are a bunch of officially uncommitted superdelegates that really prefer Obama, but will not publically endorse him for fear of the wrath of the Clintons. By not endorsing Obama now, while it still sort of means something, they would be changing the perceptions of the race so as to give Clinton a greater, albeit still extremely small, chance of winning the nomination. Which leaves us with a few possibilities.

1. Their preference is a just a soft preference. They really would not mind supporting either candidate and only barely prefer Obama. If they had a stronger preference they would be better off endorsing now rather than later.
2. Their preference is strong, but they are just stupid. They do not realize that holding off their endorsement only increases the chances of experiencing Clinton's wrath.
3. This story is just total conjecture by overzealous reporters.

My money is on #3.

[uberblonde]

14. It's so much easier to blame the Clintons.

But then, what isn't?

[Barack_America]

16. I wouldn't be so sure.

These reporters are constantly calling the superdelegates, asking where they're leaning. I'm sure that they know where a lot of the superdelegates unofficially stand.

[Maven]

12. MSNBC is so not credible at this point.

Gimme a break.

[Tropics_Dude83]

20. NOT MSNBC-Reporters who MSNBC INTERVIEWED n/t

[TheWraith]

30. What, because they tell the truth? Pull the other one. nt

[BenDavid]

13. the unbiased msnbc..wow! such a source....but what gets me

about obama is his "of two minds about the olympic games, and being conflicted". Hell, all this shows me is how decisive Obama is. After all, he couldn’t decide in 20 years whether to leave his church, and he has 4 months to come to grips with this issue. What happens if we're attacked again & he's conflicted and doesn't have the luxury of a 4 month grace period? Yeah, that's the quick & decisive minded person I WANT as my president.:sarcasm:

[AllentownJake]

21. Yes

Because the decider that went with his gut everytime for the past 7 years has been such a great success.

The olympics are 4 months away. He has time to think about it.

[Hepburn]

27. Oh, please.....learn to read AND comprehend, OK?

MSNBC reported was was said ~~ this is NOT their opinion. It's just...oh, what a concept, the NEWS!

:eyes:

[Symarip]

38. Super Delegates don't matter

Oh wait, they kind of do.

[Hepburn]

46. LOL....

...I guess they don't matter if one is trying to steal pledged delegates!

[elehhhhna]

28. you should read your sig line, and see if ya can't live up to it for a change

[TheWraith]

33. I swear, it's harder and harder to tell the difference between Clintonites and Republicans.

Attacking MSNBC for "bias" because they tell the truth, accusing the presumptive Democratic nominee of flip-flopping, being weak on defense, etc.. Next you'll be talking about how he's too liberal, and supports the homosexual agenda.

What happens if we're attacked again and Clinton supports another disasterous war against an unrelated country?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

40. Indeed.

How dare he not take a more decisive stance on this utterly pointless, trivial, non-issue!

[northzax]

15. they aren't afraid of the clintons, per se

They are afraid of not backing her if she wins. Anyone who really backs obama and thinks he's going to win in November should endorse him now. If they thought the chances of an obama win were greater than the potential for retribution if Clinton wins (and those that move from her to him better hope she doesn't win)

What's the old line? If you strike against the king, you better make sure you kill him?

[ej510]

17. Donna Brazile said the same thing.

It's probably true because the DNC wants to get on with the General Election. Trying to take back the whitehouse and get 60 seats in the senate, and to pick up enough house seats so that they could have 2/3 of the vot in the congress.

[rodeodance]

24. yup --gossipy Donna -the DNC mouthpiece of the Obama camp whisper campaign

[Tropics_Dude83]

29. LOL-Brazille is a strong Clinton supporter n/t

[uberblonde]

32. Where have you been hiding?

She hearts Obama, although she pretends otherwise.

[TheWraith]

39. So anyone who doesn't parrot the Clinton spin is now a "secret" Obama supporter? Nice.

Next it'll be that Obama is really the head of the Illuminati.

[rodeodance]

53. So, you believe that Donna is a Clinton supporter also!! HA HA HA

[rodeodance]

52. ha ha-too much Swooning for you---causes dizzyness!!!

LOL-Brazille is a strong Clinton supporter n/t
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[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

25. The Clintons are making a list.

You Do Not want to be on this list.

[WTyler]

26. What are they afraid of exactly?

Seriously. Most of her allies have been pried out of positions where they can act on reprisals, and those that haven't will fall in with the new leadership once she's gone or they will be thrown to the curb. Her candidacy is quickly sliding from mathematical improbability to mathematical impossibility, so it's highly unlikely she'll be president. Reprisals only work if you can carry them out and the Clintons aren't going to be in any position to do so.

[TheWraith]

41. Remember, these are high-ranking Democrats.

That means that only about one in four of them have spines.

[PoliticalAmazon]

42. Retaliation. HRC is well known for being vindictive to the point...

...that she will carry on a vendetta well past the point where it is actually hurting herself more than her target.

One of her character faults that was widely known before WJC ran for the presidency.

[northzax]

50. that and the idea that Obama won't take care of them

the President has immense power to appoint people to jobs, curry favor inside the Party, etc. Obama has basically said he won't do that (the whole 'new post-politics' thing. there's no incentive to take the chance, there's no particular reason to believe he will be loyal to those who helped him. likewise, there may be no penalty for opposing him. So why take the chance?

[galaxy21]

51. example?

I'm not doubting you, I just always here about her wrath but have never heard any specific examples.

[AllentownJake]

23. Even if they said 30% of SD support Obama

I'd be happy...because that's all he'll really needs.

[cooolandrew]

31. Give every superdelegate your local support, inspire, and, encourage them, with kind emails....

Just ell them they can be their states hero by doing the right thing give them faith and courage.

[quantass]

34. Not a Surprise because Obama is the Winner...they are just being polite to the loser by staying quie

[Jane Austin]

35. A couple of comments here suggest that the two pundits

on MSNBC were reporters.

They are not.

One, Barbara Comstock, is a huge Repuglican operator. She was Ashcroft's spokesperson when he was Attorney General, and then she started up the defense fund for Scooter Libby. She is first and foremost a right-wing propagandist.

The other, is apparently a Democrat, because he worked for WJC in the White House.
I guess he's what they like to call a "Democratic Strategist".

Neither works for MSNBC and neither is a reporter.

They are people with a point of view who are making a case on cable news.

That said, I'm not surprised that they agreed that some uncommitted superdelegates are reluctant to come out for Obama.

For one, the supers probably think he's going to win anyway, whether they speak out or not; and for another, who would want that kind of light shed on their previously ordinary lives?

[invictus]

36. K & R

[galaxy21]

37. what exactly are the clinton''s going to do to them, anyway?

Vow revenge against 6 or 7 hundred people?

[uberblonde]

43. The real story is that they're not so sure Obama will win.

But they don't want the Obama supporters to target them as they've already done with other Clinton backers. This story doesn't even make sense - if they really did back Obama, why wouldn't they say it now and just end it? What happened to the big March 4th endorsement event that was supposed to get it over with?

[BlueIdaho]

44. The Clinton money machine

has had the democratic party by the balls for over a decade. Remember the charming little letter their fat cat supporters sent to Dean and Pelosi? They threaten to cut off funds to the party - that's what they have done and what they will do. Power corrupts...