Clinton attacks Obama and McCain over Iraq (and thinks we are all stupid)

[PetraPooh]

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0938336620080409?sp=true
Clinton attacks Obama and McCain over Iraq
<snip>She also questioned whether her rival for the Democratic nomination, Illinois Sen. Obama, was committed to pulling out U.S. troops as he says he would do.

"That's the choice. One candidate will continue the war and keep troops in Iraq indefinitely, one candidate only says he'll end the war," Clinton said at a high school in a Pittsburgh suburb.

"And one candidate is ready, willing and able to end the war and to rebuild our military while honoring our soldiers and our veterans," Clinton said of herself.<snip>

Give me a break, how is her stance any more concrete than "words" at this moment. As a matter of fact, she seems to think the best plan is to convince Bush to not saddle the next president with Iraq (as evidenced by the quote below from the same article), how is that a viable strategy when we all know Bush isn't at all likely to do that?

Clinton called on President George W. Bush to propose a strategy for ending U.S. involvement in Iraq, and said he should not set up a long-term security agreement with the Iraqi government without approval from Congress.

"President Bush must not saddle the next president with an agreement that extends our involvement in Iraq beyond his presidency," said Clinton, who was flanked by retired military officials.

Clinton said U.S. troops should be guaranteed one month at home for every month they spend overseas, and should be allowed to leave the military when their contractual time is up.

She also proposed expanded educational, home loan and health benefits for troops and veterans.

If she thinks/proposes these guarantees and perks for troops and veterans, why is she only talking about them? Does she think people in general are stupid? How are her "words" somehow connected to action moreso than anyone else's "words"?

[ericgtr]

1. "I voted for it but I'll be better at pulling them out than someone who didn't vote for it"

in a nutshell. Her credibility is in toilet.

[democracy1st]

36. LOL

:toast: she's lost her freakin mind

[Scoobs]

38. That is one of the most absurd things she's ever said

[AtomicKitten]

2. Translation: Pay no attention to my yes vote on the IWR that facilitated this illegal, immoral war

[PetraPooh]

11. Wizard of Oz time, no doubt.

[DJ13]

3. So, getting them out after the election is irresponsible, but......

........if Bush does it ahead of the elections its a good thing?

Is that her stance?

:eyes:

[Symarip]

4. Wow.

How heroic of you, Hillary.

If you supported the troops to begin with, you would have never left my fellow veterans to serve as cannon fodder for Bush's oil crusade. You would have protected them.

You failed.

[mrJJ]

5. Her Truthiness

October 10, 2002
Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of
United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

As Delivered

"Today we are asked whether to give the President of the United States authority to use force in Iraq should diplomatic efforts fail to dismantle Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons and his nuclear program.

I am honored to represent nearly 19 million New Yorkers, a thoughtful democracy of voices and opinions who make themselves heard on the great issues of our day especially this one. Many have contacted my office about this resolution, both in support of and in opposition to it, and I am grateful to all who have expressed an opinion.

"If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise."

"This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction."



http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

[Symarip]

10. The Goddess of Peace has spoken!!!

And to think I was going to vote for that other guy. What the fuck was I thinking?!

[zulchzulu]

6. She speaks well to the Knucklehead Demographic

Perhaps Penn has done enough polling to see that most people have no idea that Hillary Clinton was one of the biggest war hawks going into Iraq and she feels that no one is about to question her on her "misstatements"...

It's almost over for her, so who really cares anyway.

[Submariner]

7. If she wants to help veterans she can start with me by restoring my

free for life VA health care benefit promised when Honorably discharged, but taken away by draft dodging cowards Cheney/Bush. Losing this VA benefit now makes me a victim of the Romneycare mandated health insurance scam here in MA to the tune of 22% of take home pay.

If she means what she says about veterans, she can start there.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

8. Everybody be careful. She's gonna look over here.Watch out for that nose when she swings it this way

[Better Believe It]

12. How Much More Does Hillary Want To Expand The Military

and for what purpose?

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

15. why can't you just take her at nose value...errr, face value?

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[rodeodance]

33. the RW would do this--calling a Democrat a "Murderer"---you post is digusting

[keep_it_real]

13. Another Hillary lie, "one candidate only says he'll end the war"

[PetraPooh]

14. Exactly, it sounds like two candidates are saying it, not one.

[bowens43]

16. HIllary is despicable.

[durrrty libby]

35. BO is a disgusting Fraud. Wake up

[scheming daemons]

17. She's based her whole campaign on the idea that voters are stupid and lazy.....

That's why she tends to lead big in states before people start to pay attention, but sees her numbers collapse (with respect to Obama) once the electorate starts to pay attention in a state.


If the voters were as stupid and lazy as Hillary had hoped they were, she would've had the nomination after Super Tuesday.

[PetraPooh]

19. I sure hope you are right, but I am amazed and discouraged that Reuters

chose to make that the headline without simultaneously calling her on her BS.

[BlooInBloo]

20. It's a solid bet.

[OzarkDem]

26. That's name recognition

its a natural curve of any campaign when you have a well known candidate running against one who is lesser known.

[Catherina]

18. Go to hell Hillary n/t

[OzarkDem]

21. Obama has been very noncommital re Iraq

She's accurate in her assertions. He's done a lot of flowery talking about "never should have gone into Iraq", but he hasn't said squat about getting out.

[PetraPooh]

22. And how is her flowery talk any better than his flowery talk?

[OzarkDem]

24. Her talk is more specific

She knows what she's driving at when she questions Petreaeus, et al. She's secure in knowing what the collateral affects will be of any of the choices before us. She knows where she wants to see the military move and seems confident in her ideas (along with others) of the solution.

She's not hemming and hawing. She's talking specifically about getting out.

[PetraPooh]

27. I don't agree, even if I did, she is proven to be a liar and flipflopper. . . . n/t

[OzarkDem]

28. Wrong talking point - that was the one you used in 2004

Better check your GOP manual for the new one.

[PetraPooh]

30. Not a talking point at all, she is currently a liar and I give her "flipflopper"

out of a rare moment of courtesy regarding her Iraq War vote. I should say she was too lazy to be properly informed about the vote she was making. Not a great trait for a president.

[saracat]

37. Well so is Obama. Your point?

[rodeodance]

34. she wants BLACKWATER out --Obama will keep them in.

[OzarkDem]

23. Obama is too insecure and ambiguous on foreign policy

Clinton knows what needs to be done and is secure in moving forward on it. That's the big difference.

There's real reason to be concerned w/ an Obama presidency, he would be too vulnerable and too herky-jerky because he doesn't have enough experience to make judgements, know who to listen to and which advice to take.

He'll get there some day, just not yet.

[PetraPooh]

25. Clinton tries to give that impression, but she proving to be quite a liar and a flipflopper

regarding foreign issues, so why should I believe her rhetoric. Being too secure and un-ambitious seem to me to be the real threats to foreign policy success. Sounds to much like Bush and McSame to me.

[anonymous171]

29. lol. I hope Hillary continues pretending that she is the "War President"

:rofl:

[Usrename]

31. Do you even bother to listen to yourself?

Why do you think these things about Obama? What things have happened in your imaginary world to make you have these opinions?

He's the only candidate left in the race that has been proven to be correct about Iraq. He has also handily beat all the competition.

What kind of behavior have you seen that makes you think he would be too vulnerable or herky-jerky, or would have poor judgement?

[samsingh]

32. weird