Wow. Clinton surrogate Lanny Davis continues to push Wright Story

[woolldog]

What a scumbag...


"Obama's Minister Problem" Wall Street Journal, April 9, 2008

I have tried to get over my unease surrounding Barack Obama's response to the sermons and writings of his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. But the unanswered questions remain.

I am a strong supporter of and a substantial fundraiser for Hillary Clinton for president (though in this column I speak only for myself). I still believe she should and will be the Democratic nominee. But if Sen. Obama wins the nomination, he needs to understand that this issue goes well beyond Clinton partisans. Now is the time to address these questions, not later.

<snip>

As I read and reread these words, I keep thinking: If my rabbi ever uttered such hateful words from the pulpit about America and declared all Palestinians to be terrorists, I have no doubt I would have withdrawn immediately from his congregation.

<snip>

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120770107738700007.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

[redqueen]

1. I am shocked! SHOCKED!

[rurallib]

2. I is all they got

whether 'they' is Clinton or McCain.

[babylonsister]

17. Yep. As hard as they've looked, they can't find a skeleton

or two to rattle. :nopity:

[Alter Ego]

3. Desperately whaling on a dead and decaying horse.

Get. The. Fuck. Over. It.

[FrenchieCat]

4. He likes to pastorbate!

Give the man a towel!

[Coexist]

61. or is it pastor-bait?!

[stellanoir]

5. That kitchen sink has long since been hurled

and missed it's target entirely.

[WillyT]

6. How The Mighty Have Fallen...

:puke:

[Cali_Democrat]

7. Hey Lanny

If your rabbi said all Palestinians were terrorists, the corporate media wouldn't have cared one bit. They would not have treated him like Wright. Are you kidding me?

You can claim you would have left the synagogue, but we really would never know now would we? It's ok to attack muslims in the media, hell Obama was crucified for allegedly being a muslim. It's one of the last forms of acceptable discrimination.

[Deep13]

8. Wow, Obama's close friendship with a race-baiting charlatan is still relevant!

:hide:

I figure both Wright and the name "Hussein" will figure prominently in a pro-McCain 527 ad called "God Damn America."

[GarbagemanLB]

14. I can imagine the pro-McCain 527 ads comparing Hillary's Bosnia lies to McCain's POW experience.

[Dr Fate]

35. I dont have to imagine the fact that Hillary is using it right now

McCain? The article itself helps McCain- a few more of these and he wont need ads.

Hillary is using it right now via Lanny Davis to help her in PA- so you dont have to "imagine" it be used.

Lanny's article already is pro-McCain- he knows Hillary cant win now.

[woolldog]

22. There's nothing new to though.

There's no new info that has come out and Davis doesn't make any original points, and all of Davis' objections have been responded to ad nauseam....either you accept it or you don't, but there's no new ground that's going to be broken on this story. The sole purpose of his article is to attempt prolong the story's life and keep it in the headlines.

However, it's been fully factored into voters decisions already.

[leftynyc]

38. Maybe primary voters

but you can be sure this will be an issue come Oct/Nov for the general. The fact is that while we've been breaking all records during the primaries, it's still a small percentage of voters that vote primaries.

The pubs know they're beaten on the issues - the only way they can win is to try and make it too scary to vote for Sen Obama and they will drive that horse until it's dead and buried - then they'll dig it up and and try again. The 527 ads are going to be ugly and we should be prepared to call them the pathetic crap that they will undoubtedly be.

[Dr Fate]

45. Presently, it is Team Hillary who is trying to get white people in PA to think Obama is racist.

McCain's people will try to do the exact same thing as Hillary is doing, for sure- but dont pretend that Team Hillary is trying to do us a favor by stirring this up yet again- she is doing it to get a few more white people in PA to think that Obama is racist.

[leftynyc]

54. Yeah- but she's toast

Sen Obama is going to be the nominee and I'm already thinking ahead to that. That's not to say that the campaign that Hillary and her stooges has run hasn't surprised me with the sheer ineptness of it. I'm hoping Sen Obama wins PA - that'll be the end of that.

We need to prepare for the general and keep our eyes on the prize.

[Dr Fate]

62. Exactly- and I think her surrogates know that too. It's essentially a pro-McCain piece.

If you, me and Lanny know it's probably over for Hillary, then it is arguable that this article only serves to help McCain.

[leftynyc]

64. I don't know that Lanny feels that way

He's been in the Clinton's world for a long time and I have no idea what kind of bubble he lives in. How Sen Clinton doesn't see the writing on the wall is beyond me but I know that people can fool themselves into believing all kinds of stuff. It's arguable that any talking point about either Sen Clinton or Sen Obama can be used to help mccain.

[Dr Fate]

66. I do know. Lanny wants Obama to "lose" the primary, and if not that, the GE.

And if Hillary would stop prolonging the inevitable, there would be no relevant talking points against her from anyone- no one would be talking about her much one way or the other.

At this point in the game, talking points against Obama can only help McCain.

Anyway, we seem to basically agree except as to a few details...

[dchill]

24. "race-baiting charlatan"

Try to stay away from mirrors. It would really be sad if you were to still as gleeful about this manure after Obama is the Democratic nominee. Not that it isn't pretty sad right now.

[bobthedrummer]

95. Example: "The Obama infection and the lynching of Hillary Clinton"

posted by Evergreen Emerald 4-6-2008
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5408667

[bobthedrummer]

94. "Meet Hillary's Religious Leader, Rightwingnut Doug Coe" (archived Stephanie thread 3-14-08)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5071798

[burythehatchet]

96. Ever see that Daily Show segment ... YOU DON'T KNOW DICK?

[thereismore]

9. Unanswered questions like what? What's Rev. Wright's shoe size? nt

[cali]

10. ten to one she runs ads in PA referencing Wright.

[thereismore]

11. "My concerns were retriggered" Bwaahaahaa! nt

[Cali_Democrat]

18. In a few weeks his concerns will be re-re-triggered

[thereismore]

58. Hopefully, in a few weeks, after PA, his depends will be re-re-soiled. nt

[woolldog]

30. he wants us to belive that he just now, 3 weeks later

sat down and saw those clips? Where has he been this whole time?

[thereismore]

57. Xactly. Pathetic, desperate. Go already! nt

[Cha]

12. Little small minded lanny davis wants

hilary to win so bad that he's using all his corporatewhoredom to keep spreading the Wright is bad word..hilary is good word.

hilary's a fucking liar, lanny.

"Why Hillary’s Lies are Important"

- March 24, 2008, 9:53PM
"Hillary Clinton has been caught in a series of lies and misrepresentations during the primary campaign. To some of her supporters, these lies may seem trivial and insignificant and even politics-as-usual. However, please consider the serious impact of these lies by placing them in the context of the past seven years of the Bush Administration and the legacy of expanded executive power that he leaves behind. In particular, consider the dangerous message that the Clinton campaign sends by employing similar tactics to achieve her political goals.

1. The Florida and Michigan Primaries / The Delegate Count
Hillary agreed to honor the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates after their primaries were moved up into January in express violation of the DNC rules. She did not change her position on the validity of these primaries until she found herself unexpectedly behind in the delegate count and desperately needed to claim the delegates that she had won in these unsanctioned contests. As her chances of winning the nomination became increasingly slim in recent weeks, we have been presented with threatening and desperate lines of reasoning for why these primary results should count as is. At the same time, Clinton and her surrogates continue to propose different metrics for determining who should win the nomination even though there is and has been a clearly defined process in place for several decades.

Please think about the implications of changing election rules after the fact. We have suffered through at least one stolen presidential election and the manipulation of untold numbers of Congressional and state elections through various vote tampering and voter intimidation schemes used by the Republicans and their allies. The American people (and especially Democratic voters) have lost faith in the integrity of the election process. The Clinton strategy to continually change the rules for determining the Democratic Party nominee sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to increasingly un-Democratic elections in the future if it is allowed to succeed. If anything, we need more transparency and methods of accountability in our elections in order to repair the damage done in recent years and to restore our confidence in the Government.

2. The Bosnia Fabrication / Exaggerated Experience Claims
Hillary fabricated a story about a dangerous, life-risking visit to Bosnia in order to gain stature as an experienced negotiator in international conflicts and war. While this type of embellishment can seem almost comical, it represents a willingness to distort reality in order to influence the public perception. This is the same type of distortion that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, although the magnitude of the lie is certainly on a different scale. The Bush administration falsified reports, cherry-picked intelligence, used unreliable sources, and employed fear-mongering tactics to convince the American public that our safety was at risk and as such, you were either with us or with the terrorists. The lies used by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are impeachable offenses and should be condemned by all Americans. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seems to have shown a shocking willingness to employ the same tactics to create a more favorable reality and to rely on divide-and-conquer rhetoric to weaken opposition. Her attempts to frighten the American people by conjuring up 3 AM phone calls are bad enough, but her vote of confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama should be seen as treason against the Democratic Party.

3. NAFTA
Hillary lied about her position on NAFTA and used her lies in a calculated way to influence the Ohio primary. Recently released White House documents confirm that Hillary had been an active proponent of NAFTA prior to its passage, and she has continued to support it publicly in her speeches and memoir. However, while campaigning in Ohio, she claimed to have been privately against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency and believes that it should be rewritten to protect American jobs and workers. This type of maneuvering is reminiscent of the behind-closed-doors policy-making that the Bush administration has used during the past seven years. Specifically, Bush and Cheney have made policy decisions without providing transparency to Congress or the public, and President Bush has repeatedly ignored the rule of law by issuing signing statements and disregarding the parts of the laws that he doesn’t agree with. If we cannot trust Hillary to be truthful about her positions on critical legislative issues now, how can we trust that she will be truthful as president?

These are just three examples that illustrate the concerns we should have with a candidate who demonstrates a sense of entitlement to the nomination and is willing to lie, misrepresent, threaten, and divide in order to obtain the nomination. President Bush and the neoconservative movement have greatly harmed this country by the creation of an imperial-like presidency. This election is not just about whether a Democrat or Republican wins but if the checks and balances are restored to the three branches of government. The framers of the Constitution were in such fear of an imperial president that mechanisms for impeachment are prominently and explicitly included in the Constitution. If Hillary Clinton is willing to use lies and deceit to win the Democratic nomination, what assurances do we have that she will not continue to use them once she is president?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/why-h ...

<snip>

"Her response to being caught lying to a military audience, when she invented a story about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, was to say it wasn't surprising she got some things wrong, seeing how she spoke millions of words every day. What a magnificent idea, that if you say lots of words some of them are bound to be fantastic lies. So if you listen carefully to horse-racing commentators they say things like "And it's Teddy's Boy still leading three furlongs out as they come up to the fourth last fence with Nip and Tuck two lengths behind by the way I fought a tiger once, punched it clean out and they're all safely over."

<lots more>
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/opinion/article3 ...

"It's not that lying to pad the resume, avoid Indictment or to advance her political fortune is anything new for Hillary Clinton. She famously said she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary (debunked); she told New Yorkers she was a Yankee fan when she lived in Chicago (debunked); she told rural New Yorkers that she was a "duck hunter" (debunked); she claimed that her daughter Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center at the time of the 9/11 attack (debunked by Chelsea herself.) And, those subpoenaed Rose Law billing records just happened to show up one day on a hallway table in the most monitored home in America!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Dr Fate]

13. Hillary wants to piss off as many white people over race issues as she can. n/t

n/t

[Seeker30]

19. Obama has already done that

[Dr Fate]

25. Yeah- must be why he is winning in so many contests & polls.

The reason why Lanny is still bringing it up is b/c it ran out of steam- in other words, Team Hillary has decided that not enough white people are pissed enough.

Go ahead and stir up the race pot again- I wont stop you.

[dchill]

15. I picture Lanny Davis rooting around in the box...

of stuff they have left to throw, now that the kitchen sink is gone. A bunch of rusty nails, thumbtacks, a few tarnished pennies and... Hey - It's a Jeremiah Wright bulletin!

[C_U_L8R]

16. They threw the kitchen sink

up in the air and
it came right back and
bonked them on the bean
bonk !

[Texas Hill Country]

20. This issue will be HUGE in the GE, there is no question about that... so why

are you people freaking out.

They SHOULD bring this up. It is a BIG problem.

[loveangelc]

28. what more can be said that hasn't been said over and over already about it though?

[Texas Hill Country]

32. he didnt really answer or solve any of the problems attached to it... he just said, it exists, deal

[loveangelc]

36. Obama didn't answer the problems atached to what?

[Dr Fate]

29. Sure- but right now, it's Team Hillary who wants to talk about "these hateful black people."

Dont act like Hillary is doing the party any favors by using the old-time "reverse racism" argument against Obama.

If McCain wants to re-hash controversial religious leaders who say controversial quotes, let him- plenty of fair game against him as well.

[leftynyc]

39. Unfortunately

I really don't look forward to the argument of who has the wackier religious freaks because human nature tells me that if that's what it comes down to, they'll pick the religious freak that looks most like them.

[Dr Fate]

42. Fortunately-The good news is that Wright nor Pat Robertson etc. are running.

I dont look forward to an argument over who's pastor is the biggest nut either- but apparently Team Hillary is looking forward to it one way or the other.

In any event, I think it's an argument we could win with moderates, if need be.

I'm not even sure the Wright thing will be used beyond chain-emails and ditto-radio- the whole thing seems to have run its course.

[woolldog]

50. the saturation coverage has taken a lot of the "shock and awe"

out of the story.

[leftynyc]

55. I'm 90% positive you're wrong about this

having run its course. It has in the primaries but will be front and center during the general. And I don't even think Rev Wright will be the issue per se. It's the relationship he has with Farrakhan. They will flog it until it seems like screwy Louis is sleeping in the Obama's guest room - ridiculous I know but I've hardly ever gone wrong overestimating the stupidity of the general population. The pubs were able to take Sen Kerry's war record and make people believe he was a traitorous coward. I still can't believe we lost that election.

[Dr Fate]

60. No doubt-be it Clinton or McCain- they will try to make people think Obama is a racist.

Team Clinton is doing it now, Team McCain will pick up where they left off.

It's the old time "reverse racism" argument that you have heard your conservative uncle or Republican co-worker expresses concern about. We should expect it from McCain media, but Team Hillary is using it too.

I think we can handle it- most voters and certainly moderates know that Obama is no more or no less racist than anyone else they know- that is why his speech was a bigger hit with moderates than the smear itself was.

The difference between swiftboating Obama & swiftboating Kerry is that Obama has demonstrated that he can respond to "scandals" rapidly and with equal force.

[leftynyc]

63. They'll never say that Sen Obama is a racist

That's too overt. They will question his "judgment" in having a spiritual advisor who is "controversial". They'll question why he stayed in that church. That's much harder to defend in the real world as no context will be made in the clips of Rev Wright. My dad thinks that those that don't think of themselves as racists and would speak out against it in public will be looking for a reason not to vote for Sen Obama while behind the curtain in the voting booth and this is the one they'll use. Dad's been a political animal for many years and it worries me that he thinks this is a problem. You and I think it's bullshit (and we are, of course, right about that) but after the '04 election, I had my eyes opened as to how incredibly stupid many voters are.

[Dr Fate]

65. I cant help people who are searching for reasons to vote against DEMS.

No candidate will ever please every elderly white male-Most of those types who cry "reverse racism" are not moderates and are likely to vote McCain either way...

...they are certainly not the types who would vote for a "liberal feminist who hates men" either. Mccain people would use the same type of labels on her too- the issue is how you handle it.

And I am already aware that Hillary and then McCain will do everything to paint Obama as "the real racist" except come right out and say "he hates white people."

Voters arent all stupid- a good many moderates found agreement with Obama's response to the Wright controversy- and my bet is he will continue to handle all that Hillary and then McCain throws at him.

[Catherina]

21. That would be Hillary's Bush-loving neoconservative Lanny Davis

...

In a shocking and completely unanticipated development, The Boston Globe reported yesterday that the handpicked "members say they were impressed by the protections." One of the panel's appointees in particular, former Clintonite and current neoconservative Lanny Davis, did what he has come to specialize in -- namely, attack Bush critics and lavish the Bush administration and its allies with the most obsequious praise possible so as to enable an illusion of "bipartisan" support (which is, needless to say, precisely why Davis was chosen for this august panel). Davis said:

If the American public, especially civil libertarians like myself, could be more informed about how careful the government is to protect our privacy while still protecting us from attacks, we'd be more reassured.

The announcement by Lanny Davis that he and his fellow Republican panel members are impressed with the program's supposed "privacy protections" has caused a tidal wave of genuinely bizarre declarations of victory among various Bush followers, who seem to think that this is not only relevant to the NSA scandal, but dispositive of it. The list of celebrators includes Captain Ed and Jay Stephenson of StopTheACLU ("Now all of you…do you really think a little truth will get in the way of the tin foil hat wearing brigades like the ACLU and Glenn Greenwald?"), along with Rick Moran at RedState...

...

That enables me to focus instead on another aspect of this story which I think is vitally important. What made this story so enticing to Bush followers is that it was "Democrat" Lanny Davis who paid homage to the great and benevolent ways in which the Leader is protecting us, as though that lends the claim some sort of extra credibility. After all, Davis is a Democrat, and he says that the President is doing nothing wrong, so that settles the issue once and for all.

...

In the wake of the 9/11 attacks, neoconservatism (defined here) has become the predominant ideology driving our government's policies in these areas, and it is the extent to which one embraces or rejects those views -- not whether one is a Democrat/Republican or "liberal/conservative" -- that is the real determinant for where one falls on the political spectrum, particularly with regard to matters of war, terrorism and related policies.

That is why "Democrat" Joe Lieberman's most vocal supporters were not "moderate" Republicans, but rather, the most extreme neoconservative Bush followers -- the Sean Hannitys and Michelle Malkins of the world. Just like Joe Lieberman, Lanny Davis (who was one of Lieberman's most vocal supporters) is a full-fledged neoconservative. The way he stays relevant is by offering himself up as the token Democrat who can always be counted on to defend the Bush presidency and attack Bush critics. Again, that is why he was chosen for this panel and it is why his extremely predictable praise for the President (as predictable as if his spot had been filled by Rush Limbaugh) is as meaningless as it is besides the point.

...

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/11/rule-of-law-101-and-neoconservatism.html

About Me
For the past 10 years, I was a litigator in NYC specializing in First Amendment challenges, civil rights cases, and corporate and securities fraud matters. I am the author of the New York Times Best-Selling book, How Would A Patriot Act?, a critique of the Bush administration's use of executive power, released May, 2006.

That Lanny Davis? It looks like Lanny has a few issues that go well beyond Rev Wright.

Lanny Davis - Lieberman Litmus TestJuly 24, 2006 at 11:23 am · Filed under Congress, Democrat, Joe Lieberman


President Bill Clinton will visit Waterbury on Monday to campaign for Mr. Lieberman, who is fighting the perception that he is too closely aligned with President Bush.
...

“It is significant and unusual for an ex-president to endorse in a primary,” said Lanny Davis, a former White House lawyer in the Clinton administration and a close friend and supporter of Mr. Lieberman. “It will send the wrong signal for the Democratic Party to be based just on one issue alone, even if it is as important as the Iraq war. The Democratic Party cannot afford a litmus test to prevent a three-term senator to be renominated.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/24/nyregion/24lieberman.html

TRANSLATION:

Me and my DLC/Clinton buddies don’t want voting for the Iraq war to become a strict litmus test. We know that Lieberman is in trouble b/c of more than the war, but we’re afraid of the slippery slope that could result in a general DLC/Clinton purge.

[redqueen]

27. PAY NO ATTENTION

to that neo-con neo-lib behind the curtain!

[Catherina]

31. I justed added something. He's a pro-war DLC shill all the way.

I can't believe so many people are seeing through the DLC and the Clintons. This is huge step forward for America. The neocons and their friends are finding themselves out in the cold and they don't like it. Tough shit.

[redqueen]

40. People around the country are waking up to the neo-cons...

let's hope enough Dems are waking up to the fact that neo-libs are like neo-cons, only they're pro-choice and a *little* more labor-friendly.

:hi:

[Catherina]

46. A few domestic issues for internal combustion?

:hi:

[butterfly77]

23. Shut up Lanny you and your candidate are desperate...

Read this:

Robert O. Goodman is a former A-6 Intruder Naval Flight Officer and graduate of the United States Naval Academy who served as a Bombardier/Navigator. He was shot down over Lebanon on December 4, 1983. Captured upon ejection from his stricken plane, he was held for multiple days. His release was facilitated by Reverend Jesse Jackson.

While on a bombing mission, the crew from VA-85 was hit by a man portable missile (SA-7 or SA-9) into the engine nozzle upon dropping its bomb-load, while still in a dive through 1,800 feet (554 m) AGL. The fuselage and a wing were immediately engulfed in flames, and then the right side engine erupted.

The pilot, US Navy Lieutenant Mark Lange, a Naval Aviator, tried to control the aircraft in order to safely eject the crew. After a rapid, low-level descent, the Intruder was seen to pull up and likely stalled, resulting in a crash on a 1,000 AGL hill, above a village surrounded by Syrian AAA-positions. Lange ejected both himself and Goodman in the final moment, but his parachute failed to properly deploy by the time he hit the ground. Lange's left leg was severely injured and he died shortly after capture by Syrian troops and Lebanese civilians. Goodman, rendered unconscious, broke three ribs, injured a shoulder and a knee during the landing, but was otherwise stable. He was captured and awakened by the Syrians and taken to Damascus.

Goodman was held for over a month, during which the US government made numerous attempts to free him. He had a few visitors, including Ambassador Robert Paganelli who brought him Christmas dinner.

In January 1984, Jesse Jackson travelled to Libya and Syria along with Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan. The mission's peaceful purpose was accomplished, as they secured the release of Goodman, who was essentially a prisoner of war.

U.S. President Ronald Reagan welcomed LT Goodman at the White House January 4, 1984, hours after he and Rev. Jackson arrived back in the U.S.

Reagan said that LT Goodman "exemplified qualities of leadership and loyalty" and said Jackson's "mission of mercy" had "earned our gratitude and our admiration." In turn, Jackson praised Reagan for sending a letter to Syrian President Assad calling for cooperation in bringing peace to Lebanon.

[leftynyc]

41. Reading that will just

further connect Sen Obama's spiritual advisor and very good friend to Louis Farrakhan. You seem to think most Americans think like you do. They don't. They mostly use the lizard part of their brains.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

26. "BUUUUULLLLLLLAAAAACK GUY YELLING!!! BUUULLLACK GUY YELLING!!!"

[DefenseLawyer]

33. Rev. Wright! Rev. Wright!

For the love of God, can we PLEASE get back to talking about Rev. Wright?!

[zulchzulu]

34. Lanny Davis is just making Obama's numbers go higher

During all this time with the Wright nonsense, Obama's poll numbers have soared and his contributions from people have broken records.

So keep it up whining, Lanny. You took the bait, prick.

[woolldog]

43. It does make me want to donate a little more $$ to the Obama campaign

[PoliticalAmazon]

74. Me, too. Just to show my solidarity. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

37. Lanny wants us to vote for the person ready from day one!

[kdpeters]

44. Race baiting in the right wing press? He's not speaking to Clinton's base

That's the McCain crowd he's trying to energize to vote against Obama in the general. They really are doing it aren't they? They really are undermining the Democratic candidate. What a vile human being.

[woolldog]

47. The question is why?

[truebrit71]

48. Lanny Davis is a ball-less whiney-ass punk...

..

[David Zephyr]

49. Lanny Davis is a dirtbag that has no credibility anymore with anyone.

The fact that he's the shit shoveler for the Clintons tells you everything you need to know about him.

[jgraz]

51. This is why people "hate" Hillary

And I use "hate" in quotes because it's really just righteous outrage at bullshit gutter campaigning by a proven loser.

[wowimthere]

52. I'd love to ask Lanny if he'd ever used the "N" word or heard someone he admired use it. I'll bet..

he wouldn't know what to say to that. He'd probably lie to my face. This is the kind of slimy pol he is. He's probably heard a many of politicians use derogatory and divisive language and he's going to get on his high minded soap box and tell me what he would have done. As if people of all racial stripes have never heard racially divisive language from their families or friends. Does he think we're idiots? He's the idiot. I've heard Jewish people use derogatory language even though they go to church. What makes him think we buy his load of bullshit?

[Dr Fate]

53. I've never heard a media person ever ask ANYONE whether they have used the N word before....

...or heard a personal friend or colleague use it.

It certainly would be interesting to see 90%-99% of anyone asked lie their way of that one.

[samsingh]

56. he should drop it

[BeyondGeography]

59. He's really just looking out for the Party at the end of the day

REALLY.

[2rth2pwr]

67. Obama supporters can wish this story was over, but it's not.

It will continue to have an impact.

[Dr Fate]

68. We know. We just wish that the "Obama is the real racist" was coming from the racists, not a DEM.

The old-time cries of "reverse racism" are to be expected from old time GOP types- the rub is that it is Team Hillary doing it to help McCain...

Obama will continue to handle whatever Hillary and then McCain throws at him, and moderates will continue to notice.

Moderates know that everyone-black, white or tan- is struggling with race issues- which is why Obama's speech did so well. He continues to lead in polls & contests, BTW.

If the Hillary/McCain wants to keep bringing up the same stuff over and over and over, smart voters are going to see through it. Unlike the swiftboating of Kerry- Obama responds rapidly and in a positive manner.

If the GOP wants to make his run about "those angry, racist black people"-most moderates will see through it- the old time white GOP types will always look for reasons to think that a black man is "more racist" than any white people they know.

Question- do you believe that Obama is a racist? If not, then why do you support arguments that are designed to imply that he is?

[2rth2pwr]

69. I don't think he's a racist. I am concerned that the Reverends he surrounds

himself with have a lot of hatred ie. Meeks, McClurkin, and Wright.

[Dr Fate]

70. No- but you seem happy to repeat talking points that imply that he is. McCain & FOX thanks you...

...for the great team work.

At this point in the game-If you REALLY need to divide people over race-you should be more concerned with associating McCain and the GOP with decades and decades of racism - it's a much easier and much more practical and accurate target.

I'm sure you could show all your recent posts where you attack McCain and conservatives for surrounding themselves with racists on a larger scale than Obama ever could- or have you only reserved the charge of racism for the DEM?

So- from here on out, if we do feel the need to attack someone for racism- it will be McCain & the GOP- deal?

[2rth2pwr]

71. Wth? I just said I don't think he's a racist. Show me the talking points I have repeated that imply

that he is. You are going off on a rant that has nothing to do with my response, Meeks and McClurkin have hatred for gays, that is not racism.

Wright seems to hate the country, that's not racism.

You're stuck on some talking points of your own.

[Dr Fate]

76. Talking points? How about the very article in this thread that you seem to side with in your posts?

So now you are pretending that this Team-Clinton article that is the subject of this thread -is not designed to associate Obama with "reverse racism?" That's a stretch.

But surely you have made recent attempts to paint McCain & the GOP as biggoted- right?-Or have you reserved those implications of biggotry only for the DEM?

And yes-you are supporting the Hillary/McCain "Obama is the real racist" talking point by defending this article and other implications that he is biggoted by association.

If you disagree with talking points in this article that try imply Obama is a racist, then stop defending this article as something that is agreeable, helpful or necessary.

I guess there is no deal- you will continue to defend talking points that imply that Obama is a bigot of some kind.

As I said, FOX news & McCain appreciates the tag-team work.

You may as well say "I dont think Obama is a racist- but I'm glad other people are saying he is."

One more chance- can you show us just as many recent posts of yours where you associate decades and decades of biggotry & racism with McCain & the GOP- or have you only chimed on biggotry when the charge concerns the DEM?

[2rth2pwr]

77. 67. Obama supporters can wish this story was over, but it's not.

That was my post, that was it. Are you taking something?

Why so sensitive?

[Dr Fate]

78. You may as well say "I dont think Obama is a racist, but I'm glad others are saying he is."

Either you agree with the implications of the Team-Clinton, pro-McCain article- or you dont.

I think anyone reading your responses after post #67 can rightfully assume that you are happy with the implications in the article- unless you want to state otherwise.

So far, you you have defended the article and defended other implications that the DEM, rather than McCain is the real biggot.

Sensitive? LOL! Not hardly- I just wish that the Hillary supporters were more apt to accuse McCain and the GOP of a real life, decades long history of racism as opposed to using race against a man of mixed race. It just makes more sense at this stage of the process.

I know what your post was- and my point is that in this stage of the game, I would rather the racist GOP be the ones crying "racism" and "biggotry" than people who are supposed to be supporting the DEM.

[2rth2pwr]

81. What you want and what will happen are 2 different things.

get over it.

[Dr Fate]

84. I need to get over the fact that Team Hillary will only accuse Obama of racism, and never McCain?

You said: "What you want and what will happen are 2 different things. get over it."

Fair enough. But-I knew of that fact before I even asked.

Oh well- I for one can say that if I decide to discuss who is damaging this country with racism, it will be a charge against McCain & the GOP, not the DEM.

[ShortnFiery]

86. I'd dare say Wright, a former Marine (Semper Fi) who served AMERICA honorably, loves his country.

But like myself (an US Army Vet), cries out for justice ... and yeah, *God Damn America* is *exactly* what I thought as we were conducting "Shock and Awe" invading a country that had NOTHING to do with 911.

Please process this: Saying "GOD DAMN AMERICA!" Does NOT mean that I hate my Country. It means that I'm devastated and saddened that "we the people" have allowed corrupt leaders send our soldiers into an ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL invasion of another sovereign nation.

However, when one is SIMPLY depending on talking points, the discussion doesn't extend beyond "sound byte mentalities." :thumbsdown:

[2rth2pwr]

87. Lee Harvey Oswald was a Marine.

[Dr Fate]

92. Who went on to be a combat medic, community organizer and a Christian pastor.

Yes- the parallels are endless. ;)

Now say something about McCain's racism-question HIS Christiantiy- come on- you can do it!!!

[ShortnFiery]

97. Oh, how low can you go? Wright was a DECORATED Marine who was working in the

hospital overseeing Lyndon Johnson during his tenure as President.

OMG! I can't believe you compare a respected African American Pastor who has been honored and invited to Bill Clinton's WH to "Lee Harvey Oswald."

Just when I think that some here couldn't sink any lower because they are, IMO, unconsciously FREAKED OUT by an "angry black minister", you sink even lower. Many people felt the same about Martin Luther King, Junior during the 1960s as you do about Rev. Wright right now. Hum, why does the thought of an fired-up black minister preaching (listen to the whole sermon) the SOCIAL GOSPEL in much the manner of MLK seemingly frighten you so damn much?!?

[ShortnFiery]

83. Tip: If you see "concerned" or "worried" in a post, BET MONEY it's followed by a calculated smear

I could be wrong ... but I'm not. :evilgrin: :hi:

[Dr Fate]

85. You are not wrong- in post #81 he admits that Hillary will only attack Obama for racism, not the GOP

I hope he is wrong about me not getting what I want (ie- Team Hillary aiming their "racism" guns at McCain/GOP, not Obama), but I dont think he is.

[2rth2pwr]

88. I speak for Hillary.

(Damn you get twisted up like a pretzel)

[Dr Fate]

90. No- Team Hillary speaks for you on this issue- unless you say otherwise.

Your posts certainly reflect the Team Hillary attitude.

I'll bite-How does your take on this issue differ from Lanny's?

Team Hillary has made it clear that they will only imply that Obama is racist, and to date, give McCain a pass on the issue on who is associated with racism.

Your statment for me to "get over" that fact seems to say you agree with this strategy.

Do you? If not, then stop defending it.

[ShortnFiery]

89. Yes, it saddens me too.

That's the reason that I continue to enjoy the liberal community of my Catholic Parish. However, our Priests are so afraid of scrutiny, the the content of our Masses is ... to put it mildly, exceedingly dull. But I go to Mass because I'm there to support the good people within this Parish - many of whom dedicate a large portion of their free time to assisting the poor and disenfranchised. For others, it may be their neighborhood community, but we all must have a FEELING like we belong to something special - pleasing to "others" or "our higher power."

Our earthy existence is certainly not a place for FAIRNESS. The foregoing is the saddest lesson I've had to share with our youth. But we can dream ... we can do our part. ;)

[anon504]

91. Amen

[Dr Fate]

93. Amen- as in- you are glad that Hillary is implying that Obama is racist to help McCain?

Exactly what are you saying amen to?

[Hepburn]

72. What the hell else does HilLIARy have but bullshit like this?

:shrug:

[PoliticalAmazon]

73. I'm wondering when stories about WJC's womanizing will start surfacing again? ...

...and maybe Davis is trying to stir this up because they know something is on the way?

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

75. Keep digging Lanny

Hole is getting deeper.

[SeaLyons]

79. You can bet this issue will

be on the news every single day if Obama wins the nomination. It's not about Senator Clinton's "kitchen sink" - it's about Obama's Church affiliation for 20 years.

[Dr Fate]

80. This present article is from Team Clinton, not directly from the McCain campaign.

But you are correct to assume that it does help McCain. i'll bet Lanny is aware of that too-as I did say "directly" on purpose.

Since they are so concerned with who is racist and who is not, when is Team Clinton going to put out some articles on the racist history of McCain & the GOP?

LOL! I wont hold my breath-as far as Team Clinton is concerned- that accusation is soley reserved for the DEM.

[Life Long Dem]

82. Dick Morris is making more and more sense to me because I'm

starting to say the same things he has been saying about the Clinton's. Good lord, and I wouldn't have thought... He still messes up with the poll predictions though. Hee hee!

[GoldieAZ49]

98. No one is "pushing" it

The story has taken on a life of its own. He is getting questions about Wright at his Town Hall meetings.

It will follow him and remain an issue for a large segment of the population. Deny it if you want, it doesn't make it go away.