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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:07 PM Original message |
Clinton rising: gains 7 and 5 points in two new PA polls despite being outspent 3:1 |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. and yet Hillary still has no shot at winning the primary... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Superdelegates are unaware of this netroots "fact" |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. and allow Hillary a chance to scream that she is being 'forced out'? Not a chance. They will announc |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. SD's could end it today if it wasn't for Clinton threatening them.. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
39. you folks do go for overkill. She is telling them the facts--not Threatening!==how silly of you. |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. they dont get behind obama because they wanna see what happens in PA |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. and you can't do that with a dramatic drop in black and young support. No overturning of the pledged |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. you guys are hilarious. |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. LOL. Do you argue that there won't be a decrease in the black and youth vote? Especially if the SDs |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
52. I will say this... I would bet you will see a decrease in both demographics by November |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. True but the data shows there will not be a dramatic drop in these groups if Hill wins |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Oh, you mean one poll? lol. Yeah, just watch the SDs go AGAINST the pledged delegate winner and forc |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
70. And? So they will vote for McSame? Clinton has the same policies toward black issues that Obama has |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
40. Actually, both parties usually win elections without the youth vote |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. The numbers show a record turnout, and a turnout that is 2-1 in favor of Obama. Their energy and |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. I agree, if they hold on and continue to support him |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
71. Yes, and they will be voting for Clinton if she is the nominee |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Since Super Tuesday, Clinton has NEGATIVE 1 SD endorsements |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. i think it is -4. |
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Rob Gregory Browne (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
43. The white vote doesn't MATTER at this point |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. But that's also true of the Black vote if Clinton wins |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
74. A loss of an extra 10% matters |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
72. Polls show 20-23% of white Dems will vote against Obama. You do the math |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. Sounds a bit more David Dukesque |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Wrong |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. YAY!! |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. eye opening. thank you. |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
5. I checked PPP. Their margin of error is 2.9% |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. which cuts both ways Hawkeye... but other polls have HUGE differences, this one is the closest. |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
54. OK, exploring PPP's last release before this one.. |
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Jane Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
6. About Obama and white voters - keep in mind that Bill Clinton |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:13 PM Original message |
Yeah, with perot taking 20-25% in a three candidate race |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
42. That's between Democrats where Clinton wins white women |
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galaxy21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. So, 2/3 of white men picked Bob Dole or Perot?! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. That means he basically got as much as Bush did |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. jd is conflating the "white vote" with the "white male vote" in his OP. |
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ericgtr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
7. Tomorrow's news - If he doesn't win by 20 points in PA it's over |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
11. Theme prediction for this forum's analysis of PA results.... |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Or Diebold if Clinton wins. Diebold is only a factor when Clinton wins. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Recount, recount, recount! Cheeeeeeeet, cheat, cheat!!!! |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
51. Like the Clintophiles are any better |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Well, caucuses ARE undemocratic. If you are a shift worker, elderly, in hospital, or deployed on |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Different people may have been complaining about it in 2004, but |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Well, I heard people griping about them four years ago, and before the first one kicked off. |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I didn't say that I didn't care. I'm more than willing to talk about it. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Yeah they are already claiming PA is rigged! |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. or Clinton has had a lead here since, like, forever. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. It took 22 replies for this. Read the OP. Obama pulled within 4-6 before he lost Texas and Ohio |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. Obama choke, or Operation Kitchen Sink? |
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PetraPooh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
49. Obama won Texas delegates, keep up, will you please. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #49 |
76. He lost by over 100,000 votes. I thought the popular will is what counted anyway? |
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PetraPooh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. Uhm, are you living in another country, with another democratic party? |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
34. Come on, you know that both sides spin the results to their best advantage. That's politics. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
58. The suggestion that Democrats "cheat" is a new one, though. It's changed the dynamic. NT |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Oh it has been suggested before. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Well, JFK did cheat. So did LBJ. So did Nixon. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
16. Please don't use the word "narrative". That's an MSM word |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
19. I LOVE these backasswards pissy postings. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. I enjoy starving them |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. heh. Laugh. Laugh. Point. Point. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
29. It is not that clear. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. I mentioned the other polls in my previous poll thread |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
64. Mixed results are not good enough for Clinton. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. Only Obamites say that. Obamites said the same thing about Ohio and Texas... |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Spin away my friend. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Both are spin but her spin worked. She is still alive post-3/4, right? |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. No, Obama has never said that she should drop out. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. The msm has said she should drop out |
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abbyg8r (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. It's great for Obama supporters that the PA polls are so close, |
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adoraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
32. I feel bad for you, just give it up |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. What did I do when Edwards lost? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. bwahahaha |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. He's also claiming that African Americans are meaningless to the Democratic Party... |
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PetraPooh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. and I suppose it would be okay with you to recognize that Hillary's only |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
38. You know what. I can no longer stand your intellectual dishonesty. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
63. He is claiming that even in the most pro-Obama poll for PA, Clinton is gaining. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
80. 8 polls in two days: 3 show her gaining, 1 showed no change, 4 showed Obama gains within the MOE |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
78. I mentioned all 8 polls released in the past two days |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. I was just waiting for you to reply as a courtesy... |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
48. They shpw a gaim for Clinton but we can't get too excited |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
53. rec |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. why no 'REC'? A little less enthusiastic today? |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
66. "sham caucuses" |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #66 |
82. 1.9% turnout isn't a sham? |
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Bensthename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
67. "despite being outspent" will be Hillary's talking point after PA win or lose |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
83. Of course and it is a very legitimate one that Edwards used after Iowa |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
69. Thanks! |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
73. rec. nt |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
75. Rise, Hillary. Rise. nt |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #75 |
88. Quick! Get down! Sniper fire! |
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PseudoIntellect (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-09-08 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
90. "Either he has made a heruclaen comeback from 20 points down by cherry picking the worst March polls |
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