WTF! McCain/Rice beats Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama in NY!

[Superman Returns]

What is it going to take to wake people up?

<http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/09/poll-suggests-mccain-rice-ticket-could-win-big/#comments>

CNN) – Condoleezza Rice has said she has no desire to be John McCain's running mate, but a new poll out Wednesday suggests that duo could beat the Democratic ticket in the bluest of states.

In a new poll conducted by Marist College and WNBC, a McCain-Rice ticket would beat a ticket that includes both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in New York — a state that reliably votes for the Democratic candidate. (In 2004, John Kerry beat President Bush there by nearly 20 points. In 2000, the margin between Al Gore and Bush was an even higher 25 points.)

But should McCain and Rice team up, the poll suggests the two Republicans would carry New York, defeating a Clinton-Obama ticket by 3 points (49-46 percent) and an Obama-Clinton ticket by 5 points (49-44 percent.)

[ecstatic]

1. there's no way that ticket could win!

I would be the most surprised person on Earth if they pulled it off. Of course, our voting machines are still hackable... (sigh) :eyes:

[Kahuna]

40. Oh yes it can. You'll have plenty of female revenge voters voting for

McCain, with ANY woman on it. For that reason, McCain will choose a woman. Watch.

[msongs]

2. she will grab the obama and hillary votes for the obvious reasons

obama and hillary rolled into one package (except of course for her politics and her running mate).

Msongs

[tridim]

3. And except the fact that she's an idiot and a aspiring fascist.

Oh, and a "concert pianist" even though we've never seen her play the piano.

[cbayer]

20. I think the only part you got right there was "aspiring facist"

She is by no means an idiot and should not be underestimated. She is a concert pianist - I have seen her play.

[tridim]

31. What has she done that would lead you to believe she isn't an idiot?

I've seen zero brilliance from her, and lots of lies and evil. That's it.

[cbayer]

34. I did not say she is not a liar and that she is not evil.

An idiot, in terms of intelligence, she is not. I think it would be a mistake to see her as intellectually impaired. She is too dangerous to underestimate, IMO.

Now Bush's IQ, not so high. But he has surrounded himself with very, very smart people.

[Faygo Kid]

4. Forget it. Meaningless. She brings nothing to the ticket.

Except to emphasize the war. She has never run for office, but she is no Eisenhower, either. She brings no natural or geographic constituency to the ticket, and she has been joined at the hip with George W. Bush.

People, don't lose your minds this early.

[katsy]

5. "Who could have known..."

"Who could have predicted they'd fly planes into buildings..."

Bring. It. On.

[frogcycle]

6. why should anyone believe any poll any more?

[quantass]

7. Of course the Polls are going to say that -- It's the initial excitement -- Just wait till this

thought sinks in and they have to speak....BAM...Obama is the one on top again....Clinton as far as i am concerned is worthless on anyones ticket

[bronxiteforever]

8. Wow-Do they think New Yorkers won't remember her failure to stop 9/11?This Washington Post wrote

On July 10, 2001, two months before the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, then-CIA Director George J. Tenet met with his counterterrorism chief, J. Cofer Black, at CIA headquarters to review the latest on Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda terrorist organization. Black laid out the case, consisting of communications intercepts and other top-secret intelligence showing the increasing likelihood that al-Qaeda would soon attack the United States. It was a mass of fragments and dots that nonetheless made a compelling case, so compelling to Tenet that he decided he and Black should go to the White House immediately.

Tenet called Condoleezza Rice, then national security adviser, from the car and said he needed to see her right away. There was no practical way she could refuse such a request from the CIA director.

Afterward, Tenet looked back on the meeting with Rice as a tremendous lost opportunity to prevent or disrupt the Sept. 11 attacks. Rice could have gotten through to Bush on the threat, but she just didn't get it in time, Tenet thought. He felt that he had done his job and had been very direct about the threat, but that Rice had not moved quickly. He felt she was not organized and did not push people, as he tried to do at the CIA.

Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR2006093000282.html

[mckara]

9. The Woman Who Slept Through Terrorist Threats

Will win in the same state where the attacks occurred?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[gateley]

10. How Blue could a state be if they'd get behind

a McCain/Rice ticket? We've gone through the Looking Glass.

[XemaSab]

11. Yeah, after using the words "cunt" and "gook" on the record?

Rice is WAY smarter than that.

[Bigleaf]

12. I pray she is his VP. She's so closely tied to Bush it would be great.

[my3boyz]

13. Please let him believe that and choose her!

McCain would go down in flames if he chose anyone connected with the Bush administration! Obama is already trying to connect him to the war by stressing the BUSH-MCCAIN policy. If he chooses someone from the Bush administration it will only get worse.

[melody]

14. Statistical spin of one poll

There's no way on this planet McCain is going to win this election. The media hasn't even started on him yet. The fact the Democrats are pounding on each other and *this* is the best he can do? That's what's amazing.

[galaxy21]

17. I'd love to believe that....but we're dealing with an electorate where 1/3 of men feel angry about a

female president! How are they going to feel about a black man?

[adoraz]

19. don't pull BS out of your ass

The post you are referring to said BOTH females AND males felt angry at the same exact rate (25%).

[galaxy21]

23. sorry then 1/4.....but that's still not great is it?

[adoraz]

27. not just about the lower percent..

Its also about the fact women feel equally against a woman President.

I don't know what to make of that.

[galaxy21]

29. My point was a lot the electorate are idiots, and they will vote for Mccain over a black man or a

woman regardless of policies.

[melody]

42. And there are many people who've become politically active and are young

The young are registering Democratic by a wide margin.

We'll be okay.

A black man is still a man. A woman would be at a disadvantage.

[papau]

37. The media hasn't even started on him yet" - sadly the media is not going to start on him - ever

[bluestateguy]

15. That's funny.

Polls are all fake.

I've never been called by a pollster.

[NanceGreggs]

16. I'm calling BS on this "poll" ...

Not a single smidge of info about how the survey was conducted, what demographic, what geographic area, age groups, political affiliation, one-on-one interviews, phone, email, questions posed, how many participated - nada!

[izquierdista]

21. Could it be....

White males, Adirondacks, 30-50, Republican, interviewed coming out of the bar, no questions, just a picture of the ticket and they counted which picture got barfed on the most.

[Muttocracy]

26. Hey Nance, found the poll data, posted below:

[Harry Monroe]

28. I'm with ya Nance!!!

It's just some BS to stir the pot.

[adoraz]

18. I would like to see one of these WITHOUT Hillary

How about Obama and someone who is likely?

Why even do a poll when Obama and Clinton won't be on the same ticket?

Hillary pulls these polls down.

[Beacool]

46. In NY? Dream on!!!!

She's very popular in the state.

[Muttocracy]

22. Here's the actual poll data

http://www.maristpoll.marist.edu/nyspolls/GV080409.htm

Note at bottom:

Nature of the Sample: 576 New York State Registered Voters

This survey of 576 New York State registered voters was conducted on April 3rd and April 4th, 2008. Registered voters were interviewed by telephone in proportion to the voter registration in each county in New York State and adjusted for turnout in statewide elections. The margin of error is ±4%. The error margin increases for cross-tabulations.



It sounds nutty to me, and a VERY small sample size to claim they're addressing all 55 counties plus NYC. I bet Dems use cell phones too. Wonder if they're basing it on 2006 or 2004 turnout?

[NanceGreggs]

30. As I thought ...

... that's some pretty thin soup.

576 voters in a state that includes not only a wide geographic area, but the population of NYC as well?

You gotta be shootin' me through the grease.

[papau]

38. Standard quality poll - albeit registered is not "likely" - but that would favor McCain more anyway

[depakid]

24. There's so much wrong with that poll, one wouldn't know where to begin

but that doesn't keep the likes of CNN from touting it like it's sacrosanct- nor does it keep many DU'ers from merrily dancing to their tune....

[Muttocracy]

25. and another thing - NYers rating of Bush's job - one of the worst in US I bet

56% poor
21% fair
16% good
6% excellent

While they rate HRC as Senator
23 poor
25 fair
32 good
18 excellent

So why the heck would they vote for McSame when Bush is fair or poor for 77%? I call these results bogus or novelty factor of Condi.

[quakerboy]

32. I think the more noteable result

is that NY only prefers Clinton to Barack by 2%. Her home state has 2% loyalty to her, apparently

[Muttocracy]

39. She won the primary 57/40; won all but one county

But that was 2 months ago.

[BlueIdaho]

33. Take a deep breath

November is a LONG way away.

[usregimechange]

35. They would have to dislodge her from Bush's arse first

[DerekJ]

36. Remove Clinton from the ticket and Obama wins

[goletian]

41. i call bull shit. rice as vp would sink mccain FO SHIZZLE. - nt

[mckeown1128]

44. Bigots vote for a black man or do they vote for a white man..

with a black female vp... ohh tsk tsk.. the bigots won't know what to do.

[goletian]

45. its not even about that. condi carries the bush stink on her. mccain wouldnt go for it. - nt

[mckeown1128]

47. McCain IS the bush stink. nt

[goletian]

48. for us he is, but not to the brain dead right wingers - nt

[krawhitham]

43. lets see the polls are Rice is "Vetted"

[Warren DeMontague]

49. Yes, the GOP is really about to put someone PRO CHOICE- like Condi- on the ticket.

What the fuck are people smoking? :crazy:

IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. EVER.