101,331 people from every state participating in straw poll. Hillary wins 56% to 44%

[aquarius dawning]

I know I know, it's AOL and those people are old and use, gasp, dial-up internet conmnections (as if there's any evidence to support that). Never the less, it's still a huge pool of potential voters from every state in our country and it has Hillary beating Obama in 49 out of 50 states. Now, commence to attacking the poll's credibility while I laugh at you.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/04/07/aol-straw-poll-april-7-14/

[DUyellow]

1. I voted in that poll over 3 times. What does that tell you.

[aquarius dawning]

2. You did it from 3 different computers then because that is the only way.

[woolldog]

7. It's not the only way

You can just clear your cookies. Unless the poll is IP based.

[DJ13]

8. You did it from 3 different computers then because that is the only way.

No, just delete the AOL cookies and revote.

[NashVegas]

45. When I Wrote Online Polls

I had a script that automatically deleted the votes of people voting multiple times from the same IP. They got "thank yous" and never knew the difference.

[TahitiNut]

66. AOL pools IP addys at the telco pad. So, that wouldn't work.

Anyone who next dialed in and got that IP would be refused. AOL is notorious (remember the suit?) for a high subscriber to IP ratio.

:shrug:

[BlueIdaho]

97. Dynamic assigned IP addresses?

Do they matter here?

[pnorman]

146. I recall on old Freek Republic posting from a few years back.

The guy BOASTED of "Perl scripts" that would allow as many votes as desired, and within a time frame that wouldn't ring off any alarms at the other end. That was in connection with their customary exhortation of: "Hey guys, lets Freep that poll!"

pnorman

[woolldog]

47. lol

great minds think alike. :hi:

[DUyellow]

92. not only that, but diffrent IP address too. That is why i said atleast 3 times, becaues i have done

it more times, but on the same computer.

[NashVegas]

39. You Really Really Really Like Hillary?

Great!

[DUyellow]

93. huh?

[susankh4]

96. You mean you voted three times for Obama?

And he still lost?

Yowzaa!

[DUyellow]

109. I guess we have the new goal post people... AOL Straw poll.

[cali]

3. What's the renegade

state in the poll?

[aquarius dawning]

4. MD

[cali]

25. OK, so in this :"poll" she won VT

but in reality, he won VT by something like 18 pts. Clearly, there's
a discrepancy here, and what are you going to believe, real people casting real votes in a real primary, or an internet poll? Do you
see how silly this is?

[aquarius dawning]

60. I just see a lot of people across the country not preferring Obama.

I've never relaly claimed that it is a deal breaker of any kind, just that it suggests that Obama might not do as well in a general election as some would like to believe. personally, I never needed a poll to know that. He's winning the primaries becasue of his appeal to the margin but he needs to win the center to win a GE and guess who owns the ceneter? That's right, John Fucking McCain.

[roseBudd]

98. I can't wait to see young tall Obama standing next to old 5'7" McCain

[aquarius dawning]

108. yeah, That will surely win over undecided voters.

[roseBudd]

158. Unfortunately that is correct, fortunately we have the taller candidate in Obama, Hillary not

[FrenchieCat]

5. So maybe being honest and calling the poll an Internet Poll instead of Straw Poll

would make you appear kinda of more credible, hey?

But go ahead, we already saw this poll, and judge that Gallup is more reliable.

But thanks for giving Hillary supporters a tinch of false hopes......since they believe that there is such thing! Charlie Cook as assessed that Hillary, at this time, as a 5% chance of winning the nomination.

You don't have to laugh at us, we'll just laugh with ya! :)

[aquarius dawning]

6. tell that to the people who devised the poll as they called it a straw poll.

[DarienComp]

15. I call my dog a cat. It's a cat.

[davidinalameda]

112. meow

:hi:

[aquarius dawning]

10. Hillary's chances of winning the nomination are about equal to Barack's chances

of winning the general election, perhaps a little better.

[rodeodance]

more nick-picking--go back to your bookbags!

[depakid]

36. "judge that Gallup is more reliable."

Maybe in relative terms- but that's not saying much....

[MadBadger]

9. Apparently Hillary is more well liked in Illinois. Tell me Aquarius, what do you think of that?

[aquarius dawning]

12. A computer deficit in Chicago?

[AllentownJake]

11. This is about

As useful as me calling the race from my canvasing data of one neighborhood in Lehigh County of 60 houses.

[aquarius dawning]

16. bullshit. It's a sample of over 100,000 people.

what's more, AOL does this poll every week and every week it's the same thing, hundreds of thousands of people preferring McCain and Hillary over Obama.

[depakid]

24. It doesn't matter how BIG the sample is

if it suffers from bias- (as this one obviously does in more ways that we might recount) the results of the "poll" will be bogus.

[aquarius dawning]

41. "It suffers from bias" not unlike a caucus.

[depakid]

52. Yep- Caucuses don't accurately reflect the electorate at large either

for some similar reasons- e.g. response & non-response bias, for starters.

[AllentownJake]

56. WTF

Do caucuses have to do with anything?

Are you suggesting we vote via AOL?

[AllentownJake]

35. ITS AN INTERNET POLL

100,000,000 people will possibly vote in this next election. This poll is targeted to a specific demographic that trends older and white. My canvasing is maybe 100 people of 100,000 people who will vote in my county for the election targeted to a demographic that lives in that one neighborhood. That's the best comparison.

[depakid]

43. Oh, there's a LOT more going on than that

but it's cool that some people are at least thinking about this stuff!

[movonne]

63. Sure because they want mc cain....they are afraid of Obama

[BlueIdaho]

13. Three Words...

Internet Straw Poll

Keep moving - nothing to see here folks.

[aquarius dawning]

18. Right, it's only 100,000+ responses, that's trivial. Move along folks.

[BlueIdaho]

23. 100,000 responses how many unique voters?

Answer - you can't tell me that - huh? Could be YOU voting 100,000 times now couldn't it?

[aquarius dawning]

46. Nope, 1 vote per IP address. Nice try though.

Furthermore, only idiots like...would waste their time trying to skew an internet poll in favor of one person or another.

[BlueIdaho]

76. Nope

Clear the cookies and vote again - I DID

[aquarius dawning]

83. That explains how Obama just picked up south dakota I guess.

[BlueIdaho]

95. Well I guess it would depend on

if the polling was done to some recognized scientific standards of if it was some fucked up bullshit internet straw poll - huh?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

48. 122,000,000+ people voted in the 2004 election.

So yes, 100,000 is trivial.

[SoonerPride]

14. The poll is not credible,

Otherwise Hillary would have won more delegates.

The fact that she did not and has not is indicative that your "poll" is crap.

[Jane Austin]

17. I'd like to see the groups of states in each primary

closer together geographically to reduce unnecessary travel and so they oould make media buys that work for neighboring states - like Boston for both Massachusetts and New Hampshire and Kansas City for both Kansas and Missouri.

[NanceGreggs]

19. WOW!

Nothing more accurate than an on-line poll!

Any explanation as to why Hillary isn't actually beating Obama in the real world?

Just wonderin' ... :shrug:

[aquarius dawning]

28. Ya know, I don't even care about the primary anymore. I've moved on.

fact of the matter is, I think America is going to bitch slap Obama in November regardless of how well he does in mississippi or North carolina or Virginia. This guy is not electable.

[NanceGreggs]

53. Gee, you sound almost like ...

... you're hoping we'll lose in November just because your gal got trounced.


That wouldn't be the case, would it?

[aquarius dawning]

70. I call em as I see em. If that's too much reality for you, do yourself a favor,

put me on ignore lest your brain get hurt.

[NanceGreggs]

73. I never put anyone on 'Ignore' ...

... because then I'd miss all the really entertaining stuff - like people quoting AOL polls!!!

[aquarius dawning]

75. I'll save this just so I can send it to you after the general election.

That should be entertaining.

[NanceGreggs]

87. Please do!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

116. "Bitch slap" is a misogynistic and highly offensive term. Just saying. nt

[aquarius dawning]

137. true enough. My apologies.

[goldcanyonaz]

20. This would be the greatest poll in the world had Obama been in the lead.

[onenote]

26. and what would you have said about it if that was the case?

[goldcanyonaz]

44. The usual AOL sucks response.

:D

[aquarius dawning]

65. You'll notice, if you read my post carefully, that I anticipated that.

;-)

[bobbert]

67. Even though you admit there is some bias because of the users

Everywhere else in this topic you are arguing that they represent all of the US. Which is is, biased or not?

The fact that Obama even has 2 states now compared to where the numbers were yesterday when another Hillary fan posted shows that actual people are starting to vote now instead of bots.

[aquarius dawning]

72. Actually, it probably shows a bunch of Obamamaniacs trying to skew the poll.

it's still over 100,000 people not preferring Obama for some reason. her ein ohio, I haven't talked to anybody that will vote for him. I know lots of people who intended to vote for Hillary but who have made it clear that they will not vote for BO and most of them are women. Fact is, I haven't talked to a single white female who plans to vote for him and I work with scores of white women and we talk about this stuff. Then there's the white males, we won't even get into that one.

[bobbert]

99. Wow, that is a representation of the ENTIRE US

it's too bad I don't know a single person that will vote for Hillary.... does that mean that there is only a tiny fraction of the US that would vote for Hillary? Your logic is crap and you didn't even respond to the first half of my post.

[onenote]

118. I just talked to my wife, a white woman, and she won't vote for Hillary

And then I called a family friend, also a white woman, and she said she won't vote for Hillary either.

I love these scientific polls, don't you?

BTW -- I am pushing hard with my "ABC" friends to realize that if,by some chance, HRC ends up getting the nomination, they should stop being ridiculous and vote for her over McCain, because the alternative is completely unacceptable. Sounds like you and every other woman you know would prefer McCain and everything that stands for. Sad.

[IsItJustMe]

169. I would then suggest you live in a bubble, and a very small one at that.

[Blondbostonian]

29. I wish there was an IQ test required to get on the internet.

An internet poll? Are you fucking serious? Are Clinton supporters that desperate? If Obama supporters were touting this, I would be on them as well.

This is not a scientific poll and not valid in the slightest. In other words...IT MEANS NOTHING...

[goldcanyonaz]

49. Potty fingers!

[aquarius dawning]

33. True that. It would be definitive evidence of his overwhelming awsomeness.

[AllentownJake]

40. No

I'd still bash it as an internet poll that doesn't mean anything.

[DarienComp]

42. Well, since we're in the lead in real polls, you can have this one.

[Bigleaf]

21. Laugh at us? Is that you Mark Penn? Come on, fess up.

:rofl:

[adoraz]

22. breaking news: Obama wins by MASSIVE margin in new straw poll

I just polled my family. Results:

Obama- 100%
Clinton- 0%

Straw polls really mean nothing. I don't care how many people participate.

he leads by double digits in the scientific polls.

[DarienComp]

30. Hey, you plagiarist! J'accuse!

:hi:

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5421895&mesg_id=5422004

[adoraz]

51. lol! I'm trying to remember now...

If I had gotten that from your post or not. I may have, but I'm honestly not sure if I read that before. :)

[DarienComp]

57. don't sweat it, it's probably just a case of great minds thinking alike.

:toast:

[totodeinhere]

27. What part of unscientific poll don't you understand?

[anonymous171]

31. That poll is being bombarded by pro-hillary forums. Not a valid sample.

[Danger Mouse]

32. go ahead and laugh, it doesn't make the poll at all representative or valid.

[aquarius dawning]

38. I'm gonna be laughing. That much I'm sure of.

[goldcanyonaz]

77. .....

:thumbsup:

[izzybeans]

34. AOL. NT

[Joe the Revelator]

37. Well hell, fuck the primarys, based on this we should giver her the nomination!

You changed my mind.

[aquarius dawning]

54. All I'm saying is that Obama is far less popular outside of the DU primaries site than he is inside.

and that there is evidence to support the claim that he is not nearly as electable in a GE as you and others here like to assert.

[bobbert]

59. Have you ever seen the political discussions on AOL.com?

Take a look at that before you think about the world view, AOLers are basically freepers

[bobbert]

50. Jesus, we went through this last night

at least Obama caught up to Hillary in IL now. We are going to get this poll posted by a Hillary fan every night. I wish I could ignore all posts that contain 'AOL'

[Upton]

55. Do you have any idea how foolish this looks?

Ron Paul used to win all the online polls, look where he is.

[JVS]

58. It's an internet poll. BFD

[PseudoIntellect]

61. Hillary wins 48-2 in states. okay...

So clearly, the poll is VERY accurate.
:eyes:

[aquarius dawning]

64. :headburiedinsand

[Upton]

62. Here's some real polls

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

[aquarius dawning]

81. here's some more

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html

[Upton]

94. At least it's not AOL

Hillary wins Pa. by only single digits it's a victory for Obama.

[aquarius dawning]

106. I disagree with that. She's winning the big traditionally blue states via primary elections.

Obama is ahead becasue of caucus voters in traditionally red states which means nothing in a general election. That coupled with the disproportionate support he has from the AA community equals the political equivalent of Katrina for us in November.

[AllentownJake]

68. So Barack

Loses Hawaii, IL, WI, VT, WA, OR, NC, SC, etc

People voted in 44 states and Obama won 28 of them and the delegate totals in 30 of them.

So you can take AOL and when the DNC counts this as a delegate allocation device you can be happy.

[Bigleaf]

69. Quick! Get this to every major media outlet. Please! You can be sure that they will absolutely be

laughing their fucking asses off in, oh, I'd say, 2 seconds. Try it. Come on, you're fucking with us, aren't you? You really support Obama, no?

:rofl:

[DerekJ]

71. I just voted and I am Canadian !!!

[MaineDem]

155. Excellent point. Thank you

Another example of why this type of poll is totally unreliable.

[Medusa]

74. Desperate much?

Apparently so if AOL is now a reliable source. :rofl:

[aquarius dawning]

80. Curiously, the AOL Pennsylvania results are similar to the RCP Pennsylvania results

a little better but also with an additional 6,000 people (approx) participating.
edit: I meant the RCP polls, not Gallup specifically

[bluestateguy]

78. Online polls are bullshit no matter who is running them

No pollster or political scientist takes them seriously.

[Condem]

79. Obamas

Why are you weighing in on this shit?

[madrchsod]

82. what does that have anything to do with anything?

the poll has no creditability because it does`t make any sense..

[aquarius dawning]

84. The same can be said of your post Mr. natural.

[Condem]

88. Hey, Aquarius

What's the Jonathan Livingston Seagull shit?

[aquarius dawning]

102. It's an albatross actually

and it's Samuel Taylor Coleridge "shit" actually, not Jonathan Livingston seagull shit.

[Condem]

103. Thanks, aquarius!

[Blondiegrrl]

85. OBAMA WINS WEST VIRGINIA!!!

http://www.votewv.net/final_totals.php

Whee! This is fun!

[Symarip]

86. Why do they even publish Gallup Polls?

AOL is all over this shit!!!


SUSA, Gallup, Zogby - your days are numbered.

[Cal Carpenter]

89. Feel free to laugh at me

but as little as I know about statistics, I can say pretty confidently that a poll like that doesn't mean much of anything - no matter who it favors :shrug:

[GarbagemanLB]

90. I just did a poll at my son's pre-school. 80% Obama, 10% Hillary, and 10% Ron Paul.

[DerekJ]

91. aquarius dawning, you are a M*R*N

[aquarius dawning]

110. F*C* Y*U*S*H*L*

[CreekDog]

100. so many Hillary supporters discount the validity of caucuses

but they promote an online poll. :eyes:

[aquarius dawning]

104. and so many Obama supporters promote the validity of winning red state caucuses

while discounting the valdity of winning big state primaries. I'm only pointing out that Obama isn't nearly as popular outside the DU primaries forum as he is inside it and that he's more than lilkey going to lose in November.

[CreekDog]

105. who discounted Hillary's primary wins?

Obama's campaign, unlike Hillary's, didn't discount and question the validity of primaries that Hillary won. Hillary's campaign actively peddled the talking point that those caucuses were insignificant or unfair.

This is not a two way street as you say because that would require equivalent behavior from both campaigns --there wasn't.

[aquarius dawning]

107. because he can't discount her victories. If he could have, he would have.

Obama's caucus victories in red states really don't matter in the general election and their validity in any potential battleground state is very questionable.

[CreekDog]

111. i thought we were talking about validity in the primaries

aren't we?

[aquarius dawning]

113. we were talking about the validity of winning primary elections in large traditionally blue states

versus the validity of winning caucuses in small states and traditionally red states. Which offers a more valid expression of the will of the Democratic party? I think the answer is obvious. As I have said many times, the left most elements of this party are forcing the rest of us to accept their candidate as the most viable candidate based on the smoke and mirrors of caucus elections. We all know that Obamam can hold the left and the AAs better than Hillary but that won't do him a bit of good in the general when he has to hold the middle ground against John McCain who just happens to be the undisputed ruler of the middle ground. Obama will, more than liklely, lose in November.

[CreekDog]

114. you were talking about it

this started as talking about the process so far, which first must be used to determine the nominee.

[aquarius dawning]

120. I think you're working hard to avoid the reality that I just injected into your mental processes.

My points have been clear and consistent all along and you decline to address them preferring instead to argue about what we were or were not arguing about. I'll say it again, Hillary's wins in PRIMARY ELECTIONS in BIG, TRADITIONALLY BLUE STATES are more representative of the will of the Democratic party as a whole than barack obama's CAUCUS victories in SMALL and TRADITIONALLY RED STATES. His inability to win big (or at all) in battleground states is even greater cause for alarm regarding his overall electability and, the fact that he is relying on the disproprtionate support of African Americans (key word: disproportionate) forces one to conculde that he has a very small chance of winning in November. This is what we're talking about.

[bobbert]

128. Isn't this a 2 way street? How are Hillary's not discountable but Obama's are?

A win is a win until you change the rules

[aquarius dawning]

130. not really

A caucus victory is less representative than a primary victory and a red state victory of any kind but especially of the caucus variety means jack shit.

[bobbert]

132. *plonk*

I don't know why I didn't do this earlier. I still don't understand any of your logic. My sister lives in a red state because her job took her there, now her primary vote means jack shit to you (she is a Hillary supporter but that doesn't matter). I hope you get relocated to a caucus state so that you can mean jack shit.

[aquarius dawning]

134. spare me your contrived vexation

Democratic primary victories in traditionally red states still mean jack shit in a GE and caucus victories in traditionally red states mean even less. These are perfectly fair points when evaluating the general electability of a candidate and the super delegates had better consider them carefully as well as every other legitimate point brought up regarding Barack Obama's unelectability in a GE for their own sakes as well as the party's.

[dailykoff]

101. JOL?

It is to laugh. :rofl:

[Neshanic]

115. But how? Hillary supporters are old, stupid and can't work a computer.

The Obama people must be at Starbucks having that new coffee, that or out buying bookbags.

[aquarius dawning]

121. spring break just ended so they must be focused on scoring weed in the dorms again.

[CreekDog]

117. Millions more participating in party sanctioned primaries and caucuses all over the nation.

Obama leads.

Attack that. :eyes:

[aquarius dawning]

122. I just did ya stoner.

[CreekDog]

124. if that doesn't matter then your AOL online poll matters even less

you're the one smokin'

[aquarius dawning]

126. Just admit it, his victories are a sham and so is he.

Obama's red state caucus wins don't matter AT ALL and Hillary's big blue state primary wins are much more representative of the will of the Democratic party as a whole than his caucus victories in small states. Even after outspending her by millions of dollars, he still doesn't win the states that fucking matter. Ya'll can't argue otherwise so you throw up your ad hominems and your straw men and avoid this nagging little inconvenient truth altogether. that's fine. I don't even care anymore.

[CreekDog]

131. wow, you are self-mocking

this is not helping Hillary. and i think you know that better than anyone.

[SnoopDog]

119. It is all about the primary... Primaries determine who the candidate is...period...!

[aquarius dawning]

123. and the red state caucuses. Don't forget about the red state caucuses.

[SoCalDem]

125. OMG.. Hillary won American Idol??? What did she sing??

Did she wear the yellow pantsuit??

I was holding out hope that Sanjaya would somehow come back & win :cry:

[Spider Jerusalem]

127. Internet polling means fuck-all.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

[aquarius dawning]

129. So do caucuses in red states.

and anyone who thinks otherwise is also deluded.

[Spider Jerusalem]

133. Then I suggest that you lobby the Democratic Party...

and get them to totally discount any role at all for red states in selecting the Democratic nominee. 'Democratic voters in red states don't matter'...pfft. Anyone who thinks that is a worthless fucking jackass who has no business calling himself a small- or large-D democrat.

Oh, and good luck holding onto Congress without those red state Democrats whose votes don't matter, too.

[aquarius dawning]

135. better yet, I'll just keep throwing these points out there so the super delegates won't forget.

and, as a bonus, if they don't listen, I'll get to tell you "I told you so" in November.

[Spider Jerusalem]

136. You mean when Hillary with her 60 percent negatives gets beaten like a gong at a Buddhist temple?

Because that's what'll happen if she's nominated. Only someone suffering from extreme brain damage would think that the Democratic nominee (no matter which of Clinton or Obama it is) will NOT win those big Democratic states in November. That is a STUPID argument.

[aquarius dawning]

138. You have evidence to support that do you?

and by the way, I don't necessarily disagree with you but I do think her chances will be better than Obama's. That being said, given the three of them, I think McCain's chances are better yet.

[Spider Jerusalem]

139. Evidence that she has sixty percent negatives nationally?

Just look at the polling. 37% favourable ratings are not a sign of a winner.

[aquarius dawning]

141. She does well enough where it matters though.

[Spider Jerusalem]

142. Not really

you can't win the Electoral College with those blue states alone.

The whole argument is silly anyway; she has as much of a realistic chance of winning the nomination as Sean Hannity does of being named ambassador to the Court of St James.

[aquarius dawning]

143. That's right, You need the battle ground states. and who is winning the battleground states?

I agree that the rabidity of the obama camp will deter the super delegates from making the sensible choice and I also agree that Obama's chances of winning the GE are less than John McCain's when it comes right down to it. Fact of the matter is, he is an albatross and we will all have to wear him around our necks for a good long time.

[aquarius dawning]

140. actually, some of those big states that Hillary beats Obama in could go either way

[AmericanUnity]

144. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! An AOL internet poll? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[aquarius dawning]

145. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! red states and caucus? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[JustinL]

147. I just flipped Hawaii

It only took me 3 votes.

[JustinL]

148. Obama takes Vermont!

Thanks to my 6 votes.

Georgia just flipped too, but that wasn't me.

[aquarius dawning]

149. It's funny, the poll remains invariably consistent every week right up until it gets posted on DU.

Go figure.

[JustinL]

150. so the poll has invariably shown Clinton ahead in states where Obama won the actual election?

Go figure, indeed.

[aquarius dawning]

151. How many of the states were caucus states?

[JustinL]

153. if you want to restrict yourself to the primaries, fine

Obama won the Illinois primary 67-31. The AOL poll has him tied with Clinton 50-50.

Obama won the Mississippi primary 61-37. The AOL poll has Clinton ahead 55-45.

Obama won the Maryland primary 60-37. The AOL poll has him tied with Clinton 50-50.

And so on.

Has the AOL poll invariably been that far off from the actual election results?

[aquarius dawning]

159. man, over 100,000 people have voted in this "little" poll

They have it every week and ever week it's the same thing, Hillary beating Barack nationwide. However you slice it, that's a large group of people who just aren't buying into the Obama song and dance. I would actually be willing to bet that more Americans vote in internet polls than in primary elections. It has always been the die hards that vote in the primaries and then everyone else comes along and votes in the general after we determine who they get to vote for. It's quite easy to draw and support the conclusion that the people voting in these polls never even voted in the primary elections let alone the caucuses. But guess what, they will vote in the general election and, judging by these numbers, it won't necessarily be overwhelmingly for Obama. The inability to even consider such a possibility buy "you guys" is what makes ya'll seem so fucking cult like. You just refuse to accept even the possibility that America isn't as ready for BO as you are.

[democracy1st]

152. LOL

:wtf:

[MaineDem]

154. 100,000 from every state? That's over 5 million people. Cool.

Maybe it's 101,000 total. ;) But it's still an online poll and counts for nothing.

[aquarius dawning]

156. "it's still an online poll and counts for nothing."

just like red states and red states with caucuses.

[MaineDem]

157. No, nothing like that at all.

How many people from overseas voted? Non-registered people vote.

People - gasp - lie in polls.

Things like that.

Slice it and dice it anyway you want but it's totally unscientific and not valid at all. Sorry.

[aquarius dawning]

160. You're right. caucuses and red states and especially red state caucuses mean even less.

[MaineDem]

161. You're not making any sense.

:eyes:

I have work to do. Enjoy your postings.

[HughBeaumont]

162. Well, this flamebait was productive.

:eyes:

[aquarius dawning]

163. why do you call it flame bait? Because it suggests the unthinkable?

That Americans, by and large, aren't as ready for Barack Obama as you are?

[HughBeaumont]

167. And they WILL be ready to elect . . . the former first lady?

The only thing that's unthinkable here is Hillary's chance of winning a general election when it's been deemed mathematically improbable at this point without the overturning by the Supers.

Oh, they'll be ready.

It's either Barack Obama or Bewsh Part III. The possibility of change vs the shit-end of the stick for the middle/working/poor classes, eternal war, and tax cuts aplenty for the rich at the expense of everything else.

Not really that difficult a choice, unless the voter hates/fears/doesn't trust all African Americans, which I guess would trump all other things.

[DerekJ]

164. Kick-He/She is so smart I 've to kick it

:rofl: :rofl:

[Vinca]

165. You can't take these polls with any kind of seriousness since

you can sit and vote all night and day if you're so inclined.

[DerekJ]

166. Another kick

The OP will love this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjteGR_nLhY

[EnviroBat]

168. Yipeee!

I just voted in this "poll" 3 fucking times. It's a bullshit internet poll, and says nothing other than desperate hillbots will buy anything.