How can you be "ready " when you don't pay your bills?

[goclark]

I don't get it.

Don't you need to pay your bills to demonstrate you are ready from day one?

She can't be ready when she has people waiting to get paid. :puke:

[woolldog]

1. Ready on day 1....

to stiff her creditors.

[goclark]

2. How will she be able to relate to a budget?

She can't meet deadlines ~ recall her taxes

She can't remember a damn thing

[PoliticalAmazon]

64. Menopause is a bitch on one's memory, but even I would be able...

...to remember if my husband made $800,000. Those kind of details tend to stand out from the rest.

[goclark]

74. You are so right. The devil is sure in her details....

And he won't let her paid/unpaid ? Staff Accountant take the time to figure out that the person that set up the sound system in Iowa is waiting to pay his wife's doctor bills.

Marie Antoinette Clinton says... " Let those doctor bills wait!"

[PoliticalAmazon]

63. Ready on day 1...

...to stiff her constituents (she's an expert on that).

[cooolandrew]

3. Ready to spen like a drunken sailor on day one and under her plan she'd be fined too.

Her rules really.

[goclark]

5. You mean her Health Plan?

How do we know she calculated correctly.

I wouldn't trust her to go to the grocery store and bring me back my change.

Recall that she said she was "surprised" by how much her husband made when she saw the tax returns.

That means that she signs her name to a legal document and doesn't know if it is an accurate amount.

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. LOL! That won't work. Nice try, though.

[babylonsister]

10. She should pay up before the collection agencies come calling:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=108x128875

And it does throw into question her ability to organize or be organized enough to pay old bills.

[goclark]

14. I bet UC Davis is ready to come and get their money

How can you be so willing to help the "middle class" and the poor and you can't pay your own bills and you are a multi millionaire? :crazy:

[shellgame26]

67. and the sad thing is

she can't get out of it by filing bankruptcy because she voted for the bankruptcy reform bill. Irony is a beeatch.

[goclark]

90. Now I really feel sorry for those people that she stiffed

She is one Mean Machine.

[democrattotheend]

23. Why not? I think it's a valid and compelling argument.

I am not in favor of hit diaries on either candidate but I think this is totally fair and it makes a legitimate point. Why not try presenting a counter argument instead of just dismissing it?

[Kittycat]

6. How can you be ready when you can't even run a campaign.

And your own husband is taking nearly $1M from lobbyists representing a country's trade deal that you claim you're against? Oh, and we can't forget that your also LOANING yourself money from said pool of marital assets.

I mean really - WTF. If she didn't have a big D(lc) after her name, DUers would be foaming at the mouth over such hypocrisy.

[goclark]

12. How can you be ready when you can't remember what you did in Bosnia?

That was a Ding,ding,ding for me

[FrenchieCat]

7. Because, it's what she'll do that matters,

Not simply her words!

[goclark]

17. Love that one ~ I bet that is how everyone on her staff deals

with her "out of touch" persona.

Can't somebody get her in control?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

65. Brutal.

[Lucky 13]

85. most accurate cartoon ever.

[helderheid]

8. ready from day one not to pay bills or pay attention to polls. Sound familiar?

[Bigleaf]

11. Oh yeah. It sounds familiar all right.

[goclark]

22. The words " Out To Lunch" come to mind

Either she doesn't care or she has a personality disorder of some kind.

I can sympathize because I hate to pay my bills ~ but I pay them.


She doesn't seem to care.

She must not care that the entire world is watching and she still won't pay her bills.

I read here at DU that Bill was Begging For $$'s at the Elton John Concert.

Have they no shame when they are multi millionaires?

[goclark]

19. Or pay attention to the "misspeaks" that slip out of her mouth

It is painful to watch when she just brushes off a "misspeak" as if it has no meaning at all to her.

The sense of entitlement is so transparent.

[helderheid]

52. I've lost so much respect for her, and yes, at one point I had respect for her. :(

[goclark]

91. I misjudged her character too and I am not usually fooled

But, I must admit, both have presented their other face to us throughout this campaign. :cry:

[L0oniX]

9. That 3 am phone call is a bill collector

[goclark]

16. Bet she just hangs up on the bill collectors at 3 am

or 3 PM.

If that is the way she runs her household, how can she run our country?

[Egnever]

30. Hah!

best line of the thread

[kwenu]

88. LOL! I so wanted to say that first.

[BlueIdaho]

13. Ready on day one

To ask Bill what trade deals they need to put forward to cover the payoffs - oh - I mean "speaking engagements."

[goclark]

33. I bet there are a lot of surprises buried deep in those tax records

[BlueIdaho]

36. Hope not -afraid so. nt.

[goclark]

38. Bet Penn knows where the $$ Bones are buried

There was a reason that they were held as long as possible and not presented in a timely manner.

Another life lesson, how can the Leader of Our Country not honor deadlines?

Taxes are due soon,should I follow her as a role model and not believe that it matters?

NO! When the bill is DUE that doesn't mean later alligator, we are talking about Give Me The Money Now!

[rainbow4321]

15. March IOU list

Well, I say *March* but it includes bills from January.


Also school districts, multiple universities (for facility use?), grocery stores, Women's Basketball Hall of Fame


http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431569/D_DEBTS_C00431569.html



But, hey, it's better than February's IOU list that had Boys and Girls' Club and sign language interpretors on it!

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/D_DEBTS_C00431569.html

[goclark]

18. If we were that behind in our bills

our credit cards would be shut down.


She doesn't even care about the people that work for her,so that tells me she could not care one bit for working class America. :puke:


Does she have an Accountant on her staff?

Has that person been paid?

[AnnieBW]

20. It's called deficit spending

The government's been doing it for years now.

[goclark]

27. And we thought GW was a horror story

We are in enough debt now ~ please Hillary, pay your bills.

[grantcart]

50. well atleast with the government they have to ask permission and there is a ceiling

[Orsino]

21. This is the time for her to pull out all the stops.

There will be plenty of time to settle up if/when she has to drop out. For now, she should be spending as quickly and as wisely as possible.

I don't mind so much her running in the red, though no, it doesn't bode very well for her fiscal responsibility.

[CoffeeCat]

24. I saw the Towering Clinferno campaign...

..up close and personal in Iowa. I was completely aghast at what
I saw. Remember. Clinton was "inevitable" by the time all of the
campaigns rolled into our state.

I've written about this before, so I'll spare most of the gory details, but
I've never seen such a discombobulated, miscalculated, disingenuous campaign
effort in my life.

Hillary planted questions. An Iowan asked her about Kyl/Lieberman and she
shot back and accused him of being a plant. The week one of her Iowa Directors
was fired for sending out "Barack is a Muslim" emails, Senator Bob Kerrey
endorses Hillary by saying, "I can't wait to run against Barack Hussein Obama!"

The campaign gave out free coffee mugs, to people who would sign pledge cards.
She organized "Hill-O-Copter" rides, in some bizarre tour-of-Iowa PR stunt.
When she got the message that Iowans really didn't like her, she traveled
with a gaggle of her bestist friends from preschool--in an attempt to humanize
her. It was as if she was running for Prom Queen.

Meanwhile, Obama and Edwards were criss-crossing the state--answering questions, meeting
with small groups and really talking with Iowans. Hillary's events were mostly large,
impersonal and orchestrated.

The campaign was more than a failure--it was a total joke.

As a person in the state to vote first--I just hoped that other states would
reject her and experience what I did with Obama and his amazing campaign.

Then, Obama broke out and began gaining momentum.

She is not ready on "Day One." Her campaign was so disjointed, insincere and unorganized
from "Day One." It's only worsened.

I'm just so glad that--state-by-state Obama has kept up the fight and has now pretty much
clinched the nomination. After what I saw...holy buckets. Thank God there was an alternative
to her.

[goclark]

25. Wow! Thanks for that inside peek and how the MSM gives her

a pass on most of it is beyond me.

[CoffeeCat]

31. That's why if I really want to know....

...what's going on with the campaign--I read the major dailies in the state in
which our Dems are campaigning.

The MSM glosses over the campaigns and fails to report many of the important
stories on the ground that will greatly affect those who will be voting soon.

When she planted questions in Iowa--it was a huge deal here, because it was
very insulting to the people of Iowa. We take our "first in the nation"
status seriously and we demand honesty and openness from these candidates. We
feel obligated to make wise, informed choices!

She planted questions, and was caught. A college student came forward to tell
about a notebook with questions and the words "college student" written next
to the question that they asked this student to ask. Out of hundreds of
audience members, Hillary picked this student and the student asked the
planted question. Hillary said, "Good question. College students often
ask me about this..." :wow:

Then, after being caught, the campaign denied this and said that they
didn't plant questions. Then, another person stepped forward to account
how the Clinton campaign asked her to ask a planted question!

This didn't get a lot of play nationally, but it really affected people here, and
it opened the door for Edwards and Obama. People began looking for an alternative,
even though she had our former governor's endorsement and the coveted endorsement
from Iowa's largest newspapers and all of the Union endorsements.

[goclark]

32. Yea for Iowa

Yes, people need to be informed regarding the implications of her ways.

She brushes it off when ever someone wants to hold her accountable.

[mrJJ]

34. Planted questioner interviewed

Here's the cnn interview

CNN Interviews Student Who asks Hillary a Planted Question
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fr1dm2Qdls&feature=related

[goclark]

37. What kind of role model is that for our youth?

These are first time voters for the most part and we want to do more than win.

We want to show them how to run a decent campaign,how to CARE.

How to "do the right thing" instead of dirty campaign tricks.

These are enormous Life Lessons that our children need to see demonstrated by their leaders.

And, one of the beauties of this campaign is that all races and all creeds are working together to put a stop to "Rove/Bush as Usual" Kind of Politics.

[mrJJ]

26. delete

[mrJJ]

28. Checks might be in the mail

I understand that Sen Clinton's Top Tier campaign attorney's: DEWEY, CHEATEM and HOWE have contacted the Acme Goalpost Moving Company assuring the owners that they will soon have their invoice problems resolved.

[goclark]

29. What kind of example is she setting for our children?

My niece is 14 and she was here watching television a few weeks ago.

They were talking about Hillary staying at the Bellagio Hotel in Vegas and spending thousands on donuts.

My niece asked me,"Why did she stay in such an expensive hotel, they have cheaper ones down a little ways on the Strip?"

[pompano]

35. If she can't pay her...

staff, how can we have confidence in her Healthcare plan that will need to cover millions of people.

No, Elton John, it's not "to hell with us"!

[goclark]

41. Or how can we believe her when she says She will Bring Our Troops

home and gives us a date? Can you imagine what it would be like to believe your son is coming home on March 2nd,2009 and since dates/deadlines don't matter, it's OK if he comes home whenever she remembers to give the order.

We need a leader that we can Trust to do the right thing.

We need a leader to serve as a model for us and for the world.

Bet she has made so many promises to lobbyists for this campaign that we will be lucky if her Health Plan does not originate in China.

Bet Mark Penn is drawing up a Blue Print for a Health Plan right now ~ Ring, Ring, Ring "Hello China, this is Penn,,,,"

[PoliticalAmazon]

70. Good point....

...The following is a logical argument proving that it is illogical to assume that Hillary Clinton will withdraw our troops and deescalate the Iraq war:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5441125&mesg_id=5451027

[goclark]

76. Exactly nt

[Bucky]

39. In a way, it's great experience for leading a country $3 trillion in debt

Who knows, maybe "Clinton 44" will get rid of the deficit thru a series of Elton John concerts.

[goclark]

43. Hadn't thought of it that way ~ GW didn't care one bit

if we were 1 trillion in debt or 5 trillion ~

And , we are looking at more of the same.

Wake Up America.

[demasiado]

40. Illogical argument

When Hillary becomes president, there will be plenty of money to "pay bills". The money she will get from the Iraq war once the troops withdraw.

It's like saying "how can Edwards be a wise spender when he spends so much in haircuts"? It's just illogical.

[goclark]

42. Tell it to those who she owes just from this campaign nt

S

[pompano]

87. Just try...

to cash an illogical paycheck and pay illogical bills? You'll be in the illogical dark.
:rofl:

:sarcasm:

[Exilednight]

61. Edwards had the $400 to cove his haircut, it's not like he stiffed people. n/t

[pompano]

66. Thats not the point....

how much is relative. If one can't manage money giving them more is not the answer. I think they call that enabler? If one can't manage $109 million then $10 billion a week is not the answer.

[pompano]

68. Oh BTW

To keep from sounding hypocritical here. I can't manage money worth a damn either. I stay in debt. Herein is the difference. I don't ask for everyone else's money to practice with either.

[goclark]

81. That is so right ~ She thinks we are playing Monopoly

She thinks she is playing with Monopoly Money. :bounce:


Go straight to jail Hillary, you can not pass GO on to another State until you pay your bills.:spank:

[pompano]

83. Yep!

I suppose the National Treasury will continue being the Community Chest for the war profiteers?

All new game pieces. Ya get to roll and move around flack jackets, corkscrewing heliclopters, a horse riding sniper, and a book bag? Go to Free Parking and get the easy delegates. "Go" has got to be mobile so it can be moved at random like goal posts. Oh, the possibilities are endless in Hillopoly.

:rofl:

[goclark]

84. Hillopoly ~ priceless!

:rofl:

[pompano]

86. I was going to ...

use the game of Life as an analogy, but I thought with my situation(s) I would be an ol' hypocrit.
Shit, I would need a stretch Hummer limo to put all my pink and blue pegs in. And with the price of gas I would hope they had a "payday" square at both ends of the plastic bridges.

:rofl:

[goclark]

89. pompano ~ you are so cool....

:rofl:

[PoliticalAmazon]

69. Wrong. It is an entirely logical argument. YOUR argument, however...

...is illogical.

Your entire premise is based on an assumption about the future for which you have presented no evidence, and for which there is ample evidence to prove your assumption to be very unlikely.

The following is an example of a logical argument:

-------------

Argument: It is illogical to assume that Hillary Clinton will bring our troops home and deescalate the Iraq War because there is more evidence to indicate that she would not than there is to indicate she would.

Evidence to indicate she would: Her promises in a presidential campaign in which she is running, when her opponent has a history of being against the war, and when the country has turned strongly against the war.

Evidence to indicate she would not withdraw the troops and deescalate the war:

Premise #1: Her past history shows her to have voted to authorize the Iraq war (even when there was evidence to strongly indicate the reasons for entering the wars were untrue), to over the years defend her decision to enter into the war, and to continue to support the war.

Evidence:
1) She voted for the Iraq War, even when she had documentation in hand to show the reasons given were false.
2) She defended her vote, and supported the Iraq war, right up until the time that she wanted to run for office.
3) She did not make any credible efforts to stop the war or bring our troops home.

Premise #2: She has shown herself to lie about specifics of her history, both personal details, historical details, and details about her political experience and what she has supported, often at times when it suited her political interests to be perceived as different than what she truly is.

Evidence:
1) Sniper lie.
2) NAFTA lie.
3) Lies about her speaking out against the Iraq War.

Conclusion: It is illogical to assume that Hillary Clinton will bring our troops home and deescalate the Iraq War because there is more evidence to indicate that she would not than there is to indicate she would.

-------------

[goclark]

82. Preach Political Amazon! Preach!

That's it! :thumbsup:

1) Sniper lie.
2) NAFTA lie.
3) Lies about her speaking out against the Iraq War.

Conclusion: It is illogical to assume that Hillary Clinton will bring our troops home and deescalate the Iraq War because there is more evidence to indicate that she would not than there is to indicate she would.

You're FIRED UP! Ready to Go!

[grantcart]

80. boy he got TS before I got to him damn

too late for pizza again

[ClayZ]

44. K and R

[goclark]

45. To Whom Much Is Given, Much Is Expected"

I am passionate about this issue, not as a put down but more as an expression of basic values that we should believe in.

We were always taught, " PURCHASE means YOU PAY IMMEDIATELY." It is a contract, even if it is a piece of candy.

And, my family always taught me, "To Whom Much Is Given, Much Is Expected."

[ClayZ]

57. It is amazing that more people can not seem

to grasp that the poor handling of her campaign is indicative of her grasp on many issues.

Kick

[grantcart]

46. After they get finished reading the handbook on how to handle accounts payable they

can read the handbook on how to fire consultants who sabotage your campaign by negotiating deals that are contrary to your stump speech.

They should get all of the handbooks read by day one.

Of course those are the handbooks for the campaign and not actually running the government.

[goclark]

59. Right you are grantcart

:bounce:

That's what we are talking about....

[K Gardner]

47. Ready to stiff the little guy on Day One.

[goclark]

71. How does that make someone feel that is middle class

and struggling to pay the bills? How about someone that is living on food stamps with three kids?


How does it make any clear thinking voter feel to KNOW that a possible next President has no regard for a written contract?

My parents taught me, Your WORD and your SIGNATURE indicate your character. In our family, you never disgrace your Surname - never!

That has so many implications I cringe at the thought of it.

And how would you have the nerve to have outstanding bills for your campaign and your personal bank account is bulging at the seams?

[K Gardner]

73. Your point is absolutely valid and something most any voter would think

about when choosing the responsible and caring candidate.

I'm reading Obama's first book and what you said about not disgracing your name.. that is certainly what he was taught and how he lives his life, and runs his campaign.

[goclark]

77. Thanks so much

It's good to know that so many people understand what real Family Values mean in this election and in America.

The Republicans are always going on and on about Values and they don't have any.

What I love about the Obama campaign is the feeling that you get that so many are passionate about truly honoring "the content of ones character."

That is the legacy that we want to leave the next generation.

[SeaLyons]

48. Grasping at straws again....

must be feeling a bit insecure today about your guy. Awwwwwww

[democrattotheend]

49. This is a legitimate argument that I have not seen any of you address

Every time someone posts a thread like this you guys just diss it without addressing it. I am not saying Obama supporters don't do that too, but if you think this is not a valid argument, say why not.

[slinkerwink]

51. exactly. Campaign management does tell us a lot how one would govern

[SeaLyons]

53. Do you really think

the Clinton campaign bills will go unpaid. I mean really. They probably are already paid. This is just one more piece of shit you guys like to throw out. It's meaningless. Has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Try thinking about real issues, i.e., Health Care, War, Economy - you know - things like that.

Hillary for President!!

[grantcart]

58. The issue is what kind of people do you hire and how do you manage and

control them. What position in Clinton's White House would you like Penn to have? Chief of Staff?

[goclark]

72. Health Care? The War?The Economy? You must be kidding

How many children and adults can't even go to the Emergency Room because they can't afford it?

We have Homeless people on the streets dying of HIV and can't get treated.

We have hospitals closing because Blue Cross refuses to pay for treatments. So many being turned away to die.

And this "role model" that tells us what she can do to implement a viable Health Care system for America is someone to Trust!? I don't think so!

The WAR ~ our current Commander in Thief doesn't give one damn that we are in a recession at this moment because of his senseless WAR.

So you are all for putting Hillary Hilton in the WH?

How can she possibly approve or deny trillions for the WAR efforts when she can't even balance a check book? And don't claim that she is "too busy" when our soldiers can't get minimal health care when they return from battle.

Let them eat cake? :(

The ECONOMY:
Try this on for size ~ go to your own bank and tell them that you will pay your loan on your house as soon as this campaign is over. Tell them you're "too busy" waving HILLARY signs and putting down OBAMA to run to the bank and figure it all out.

Since Hillary Hilton will "take it to the convention" that means you would not get around to paying your house note until Summer '08.

I don't think so! Your loan is DUE and PAYABLE now and so are hers.

[ORDem]

54. K&R

:kick:

[liberaldem4ever]

55. K & R

[Vinca]

56. They say you can judge a presidential candidate by the campaign

they run. Obama's has been masterfully crafted and executed. He even pays the bills! Hillary, on the other hand, has made all kinds of mistakes and having bill collectors coming after her takes the cake.

[4themind]

60. And she leaves herself open to unsavory slogans

Like "Pay your Bills Billary!" for example

[PoliticalAmazon]

62. Agreed. We will have to pay Bush Jr's damages; don't need to heap HRCs on our...

...national debt, as well.

[madrchsod]

75. she paid her maine south bill

she did`t stiff her high school

[goclark]

92. What is Maine South and

how much did she owe them?

How long did they have to wait or were they one of the lucky ones?

[PseudoIntellect]

78. Whatever, she'll have won all three states in the USA! PA, OH, and FL!

Therefore, she should get the nomination. In fact, let's get rid of the primaries. We should just have rolling average polls in those three states, and that's how we decide the nominee.
:sarcasm:

[goclark]

79. That's so right ~

I forgot that she calls them as she makes them up.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeese don't let her "Do The Math" because she has no ability with figures.