What kind of voting machines are in PA?

[helderheid]

[Double T]

1. ANTI-caucus real democratic process voting machines.

[helderheid]

2. electronic?

[AX10]

3. Yes!

[helderheid]

4. oh God.

[AllentownJake]

5. Here you Go

http://www.dos.state.pa.us/voting/cwp/view.asp?a=1218&q=446365

All electronic different manufacturers by county.

[helderheid]

6. UGH. Thanks!

[Cosmocat]

12. Yep ...

a real mismash from county to county, but most are touch screen ... Also, some bizarre state reg keeps the county's from being able to put the paper trail on the touchscreen machines, cause they come on continuous rolls, supposedly breaking voter confidentiality ...

Troublesome, but ... Same machines that got got Rick Santorum run out of the state, I want to believe that if ANYONE would have the pull and lack of ethics to manipulate votes it would be him ...

[AllentownJake]

13. I'm not worried

About tampering with the machines...too much of a potential trail...I'm worried about what I posted below.

[stillcool]

7. The counties I clicked on..

all had paper...at least.
http://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/map.php?&topic_string=5std&year=2008&state=Pennsylvania

[helderheid]

8. are they being audited?

[stillcool]

9. I don't know...

that's a good question. The last time I looked there were 14 states that did audits, but I'm not sure if PA is one of them. I'll have to check it out.

[stillcool]

21. It doesn't look good....at all.

Pennsylvania: State of Denial, Part 1 PDF Print Email
By Marybeth Kuznik, VotePA
March 31, 2008
With the national spotlight on The Keystone State’s April 22 Primary, many heads remain buried in sand when it comes to electronic voting.

In March 2004, Governor Ed Rendell announced a new tourism slogan for Pennsylvania: “The State of Independence”. But with Pennsylvania officials continuing along in what seems to be mindless oblivion to the dangers of paperless electronic voting machines, perhaps Pennsylvania’s slogan should be “The State of Denial” when it comes to elections.

Following the inconclusive Ohio and Texas Democratic primaries earlier this month, the national spotlight turned swiftly to Pennsylvania’s April 22 election as the next battleground. And in the glare of that white-hot national spotlight it is more apparent than ever that there is great risk for electoral disaster in The Keystone State.

With fifty-one of its most populous counties still voting on completely paperless Direct Record Electronic machines, Pennsylvania remains one of the last twelve states to have passed no law requiring every vote to be backed up with a voter-verified paper record or ballot.

Time and time again Pennsylvania has had to replace failed electronic voting machines, bailing out counties and vendors at taxpayer expense. Pennsylvania has been plagued with a rash of problems caused by failures of paperless, unverifiable voting machines. These problems ranged from extremely high levels of undervotes (indicating a large number of voters are not having their votes counted), to faulty programming and ballot preparation, to outright loss of votes due to machines being set up improperly on Election Day.

With huge party machine politics entrenched on both the Republican and Democratic sides, Pennsylvania had a long history of election irregularities and difficulties long before the rise of electronic voting. And although one of the state’s most prominent suppliers of voting machines and supplies was convicted of election fraud, the paperless electronic voting machines his company originally developed continue to count the votes of nearly two and a half million Pennsylvanians to this very day.

But despite past problems and current warnings from computer scientists and neighboring states, Pennsylvania officials from County Commissioners and Election Directors to the Governor himself inexplicably continue to embrace paperless electronic voting. Their public mantra is that Pennsylvania elections on paperless electronic machines are secure and accurate.

http://votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2799&Itemid=113

[AllentownJake]

22. Sigh

I wonder what they did with the old booths they had 10 years ago when I first voted.

[helderheid]

30. it's a crock.

[AllentownJake]

10. The question shouldn't be what kind

But how many. If there are any shenanigans that is where its going to take place. Its a lot easier to mis-deliver more machines to some districts while shorting others. If you turn on your TV the 22nd and see long lines in North Philadelphia and West Philadelphia while South Philadelphia votes with ease...than you know what's going on.

[Barack_America]

14. My polling place is in my apartment building.

Convenient, eh?

In any case, they usually drop them off a week in advance. If I see less machines than are normally here, you can bet I'll be raising hell.

I'm more worried about the college campuses, though. :scared:

[AllentownJake]

15. I'm not worried

About the college kids...they are better organized and will have their own great GOTV effort...at least up here than any group. They'll also raise the most hell if they have trouble voting...because a majority of them don't have to go to work that day.

[Barack_America]

19. *sigh*

I am the GOTV at my university and I don't feel very organized and confident. :(

Oh well, at the end of the day I'm sure we'll get it done.

[AllentownJake]

20. I hear you

I took tonight off except for email. Will work hard tommorow. I just need to recharge and relax for a night.

All I wanted was a yard sign when I came out for the first event (just kidding but I get more questions about yard signs than I can deal with I just with they would order a couple thousand and be done with the issue).

[Barack_America]

24. You came for a yard sign and left a community organizer...

Now I think you see why they're so stingy with the chum. It's to rope poor bastards like us in. In order to truly show our support, they make us work. No more "button activism".

[dailykoff]

18. They'll do what they need to do.

See 2004.

[helderheid]

31. true.

[AnnieBW]

11. My mom was an poll worker in Allegheny Co

They had the electronic machines. She didn't have any trouble setting them up, but she had some younger guys doing it for mer.

[JimGinPA]

16. You Also Have The Option For A Paper Ballot Here...

I don't know if that's true for all precincts though.

[noel711]

17. In my township in Bucks County... touch screen..

[stillcool]

23. I mis-spoke earlier...

there is no paper. They have problems..

http://votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2799&Itemid=113
Pennsylvania: State of Denial, Part 1 PDF Print Email
By Marybeth Kuznik, VotePA
March 31, 2008
With the national spotlight on The Keystone State’s April 22 Primary, many heads remain buried in sand when it comes to electronic voting.

In March 2004, Governor Ed Rendell announced a new tourism slogan for Pennsylvania: “The State of Independence”. But with Pennsylvania officials continuing along in what seems to be mindless oblivion to the dangers of paperless electronic voting machines, perhaps Pennsylvania’s slogan should be “The State of Denial” when it comes to elections.

Following the inconclusive Ohio and Texas Democratic primaries earlier this month, the national spotlight turned swiftly to Pennsylvania’s April 22 election as the next battleground. And in the glare of that white-hot national spotlight it is more apparent than ever that there is great risk for electoral disaster in The Keystone State.

With fifty-one of its most populous counties still voting on completely paperless Direct Record Electronic machines, Pennsylvania remains one of the last twelve states to have passed no law requiring every vote to be backed up with a voter-verified paper record or ballot.

Time and time again Pennsylvania has had to replace failed electronic voting machines, bailing out counties and vendors at taxpayer expense. Pennsylvania has been plagued with a rash of problems caused by failures of paperless, unverifiable voting machines. These problems ranged from extremely high levels of undervotes (indicating a large number of voters are not having their votes counted), to faulty programming and ballot preparation, to outright loss of votes due to machines being set up improperly on Election Day.

With huge party machine politics entrenched on both the Republican and Democratic sides, Pennsylvania had a long history of election irregularities and difficulties long before the rise of electronic voting. And although one of the state’s most prominent suppliers of voting machines and supplies was convicted of election fraud, the paperless electronic voting machines his company originally developed continue to count the votes of nearly two and a half million Pennsylvanians to this very day.

But despite past problems and current warnings from computer scientists and neighboring states, Pennsylvania officials from County Commissioners and Election Directors to the Governor himself inexplicably continue to embrace paperless electronic voting. Their public mantra is that Pennsylvania elections on paperless electronic machines are secure and accurate.

[demasiado]

25. What are you suggesting?

That Republicans will steal the elections in favor of who?

[stillcool]

28. Probably something like this...

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/info/everest.aspx

[helderheid]

32. Whomever they'd prefer to run against, or that the powers that be make sure someone favorable to

corporations wins.

[kansasblue]

26. Has Obama every spoken about E-vote fraud?

Does he worry about it? Has he every voted on any E-vote fraud bills?

[stillcool]

27. He mentioned it once .

..saying that the turnout will be so over-whelming they won't be able to steal it. Which is true. Only close elections can be altered. There are like 14 states that now include regular audits after every election. People who are pushing for reform in the state's they reside in are getting it.
http://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/

[RamboLiberal]

29. Allegheny County (Pittsburgh) has Sequoia Touch Screens

paperless last time I voted in a GE.