HRC supporters come gather forth.(Obama folk too)

[cooolandrew]

Isn't this rule intresting...

(Rule 12.J): "Delegates elected to the national convention pledged to a presidential candidate shall in all good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them."<1>

[jillan]

1. So Kerry, Kennedy, Patrick, Napolitano are going to vote for Hillary?

Kewl!


edit to add Richardson ;)

[cooolandrew]

2. I can go with that if all other delegates vote accordingly.

[berni_mccoy]

4. No, they would be Super Delegates. Not Delegates per the rule.

[Symarip]

5. Looks like it's in reference to Pledged Delegates (nt)

[SoCalDem]

7. The super delgates are chosen in a different manner

delegates chosen from the primary or caucus are the ones bound by that rule..

nice try :)

[CoffeeCat]

16. No, this verbiage is about pledged delegates...

...and not about the Superdelegates.

[DearAbby]

19. I dont believe this rule

includes Super-Delegates...please re-read it.

[JimGinPA]

22. Are You Really...

[johnnydrama]

23. have you really not done the math?

Obama has won twice as many states as Clinton. Do you really think the superdelegates voting by who took their state would favor Clinton?

[gateley]

3. SUPER Delegates? nt

[cooolandrew]

8. Ok so pledged are now pledged good to know.

[berni_mccoy]

6. So this means Clinton is breaking the rules with her DelegateHub.com?

Trying to convince Delegates that they don't have to vote with the will of the voters? That's what she is doing.

[cooolandrew]

12. It doesn't seem a hard and fast rule but it does say vote as law abiding citizen.

[AtomicKitten]

9. Well, you had the Clinton folks until "shall in all good conscience."

Heads up for loophole arguments, completely ignoring the good conscience part because that bit won't compute.

[4themind]

10. self-del

[mdmc]

11. nice use of the word forth

and folk

[thevoiceofreason]

13. Sheila Jackson Lee in Houston was not elected to be a deleagte. You misread the rule.

[cooolandrew]

15. Jackson Lee says she gave her word to HRC, BUT she did give her word to voters first really.

[thevoiceofreason]

20. I disagree. The supers are not pledged. The rule you cite deals with pledged delegates.

[CoffeeCat]

14. Yes, but please remember...

...the system was set up specifically to allow those delegates some wiggle room.

What would happen if 'Candidate A' was winning with 70 percent of the primary finished, but then
he murdered his campaign manager?

The delegates--as you pointed out--are supposed to "reflect the sentiments of those who elected them."

You could make a case either way this year--unless one of them murders their campaign manager.

[cooolandrew]

17. The sword would be mightier than the Penn in that case.

[MercutioATC]

18. Operative phrase? "shall in all good conscience"...

Yes, it's possible for pledged delegates to change their votes.

[thevoiceofreason]

21. Here's 84 Hillary will lose under your scenario

DNC Patti Higgins (AK)
DNC Joe Reed (AL)
DNC Randy Kelley (AL)
DNC Yvonne Kennedy (AL)
Gov. Togiola Tulafono (AS)
DNC Fagafaga Langkilde (AS)
DNC Deanna Fuimaono (AS)
DNC Nathaniel Savali (AS)
Rep. Diane DeGette (CO)
DNC Manny Rodriguez (CO)
DNC Maria Handley (CO)
DNC Ramona Martinez (CO)
DNC Ellen Camhi (CT)
Gov. Ruth Ann Minner (DE)
DNC Rhett Ruggerio (DE)
DNC Karen Valentine (DE)
DNC Mary Eva Candon (DC)
DNC Yolanda Caraway (DC)
DNC Hartina Flournoy (DC)
DNC Harold Ickes (DC)
DNC Ben Johnson (DC)
DNC Eric Kleinfeld (DC)
DNC Minyon Moore (DC)
DNC Elizabeth Smith (DC)
DNC Marilyn Tyler Brown (DC)
DNC Mona Mohib (DC)
Michael Thurmond (GA)
Carole Dabbs (GA)
Lonnie Plott (GA)
Sen. Daniel Inouye (HI)
DNC Richard Port (HI)
Rep. Leonard Boswell (IA)
DNC Sandy Opstvedt (IA)
DNC Mike Gronstal (IA)
DNC Teresa Krusor (KS)
DNC Patsy Arcenaux (LA)
DNC Renee Gill-Pratt (LA)
Gov. John Baldacci (ME)
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (MD)
Gov. Martin O'Malley (MD)
Rep. CA Dutch Ruppersberger (MD)
DNC Nancy Kopp (MD)
DNC Glenard Middleton (MD)
DNC Alvaro Cifuentes (MD)
DNC Richard Michalski (MD)
DNC Michael Steed (MD)
DNC Maria Cordone (MD)
DNC Carol Pensky (MD)
VP Walter Mondale (MN)
DNC Jackie Stevenson (MN)
DNC Rick Stafford (MN)
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II (MO)
Fmr. Rep. Dick Gephardt (MO)
DNC Doug Brooks (MO)
DNC Sandy Querry (MO)
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (RI)
Rep. Jim Langevin (RI)
DNC Grace Diaz (RI)
DNC David Cicilline (RI)
DNC William Lynch (RI)
DNC Mark Weiner (RI)
Edna O'Neill Mattson (RI)
Hon. Frank Montanaro (RI)
DNC Don Fowler (SC)
DNC Marva Smalls (SC)
DNC Hon. Karen Hale (UT)
DNC Terry McAuliffe (VA)
DNC Lionel Spruill Sr. (VA)
DNC Jennifer McClellan (VA)
DNC Mame Reiley (VA)
DNC Susan Swecker (VA)
Barbara Easterling (VA)
Del. Donna M Christensen (VI)
DNC Kevin Rodriguez (VI)
DNC Billi Gosh (VT)
Sen. Patty Murray (WA)
Sen. Maria Cantwell (WA)
Rep. Jay Inslee (WA)
Former Speaker Tom Foley (WA)
DNC Ron Sims (WA)
Rep. Norm Dicks (WA)
Rep. Tammy Baldwin (WI)
DNC Tim Sullivan (WI)

By my count, 56 for barack from Hillary states. Bring it on, big guy.

Source: Demconwatch.com

[ClayZ]

25. Yeah!

K and R

[BeyondGeography]

24. It's a great rule

[dchill]

26. I believe that the loophole that Hillary has found...

lies in the Clintonian definition of the phrase "in all good conscience." If there IS conscience, then why does it have to be "all good" or "all bad?" And there is also considerable leeway to be granted when applying any legal definition of the word "sentiments" - hell, it's got TEN LETTERS in it! That's FIVE TIMES MORE LETTERS than the word "is" has, and the Clintonian definition of THAT word is still under construction.