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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:33 AM
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If Obama does not WIN in PA, it proves Hillary is more electable.


Because the amount of money that Obama has spent in PA is "Unprecedented" (that is the word for the day).

So PA is now a "must-win" state for Obama.

These are the pearls of wisdom falling from Howard Wolfson's mouth. So if he is being honest, then the only factor that counts is the amount of money a candidate spends. Apparently the message has nothing to do with votes. In other words, the voters are idiots because you just have to spend enough money and you will win. Is there nothing these people can do or say that has any basis in reality?

Please make my head stop spinning.

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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:35 AM
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1. Nope. Sorry.
She had him at almost 2:1 after March 4. No way he gets away with calling PA a "must-win" for Obama when it's supposed to be a "firewall" for Hillary.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:37 AM
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2. Hillary supporters are insane.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:11 PM
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16. I hear that. They have been spun into a tizzy.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:39 AM
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3. he's spending more $ becuase he's raising a LOT more of it...
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:35 PM
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10.  ... and from a broad grass-roots source, not from corporatists, well-heeled donors.
He has been absolutely brilliant in his fund-raising.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:15 PM
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19. if i had barack's money, I'd outspend her too.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:52 AM
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4. Aw, Come on, Hillary, we told you about this last week.....
The math doesn't work. Like when Bill told you the 800K was from poker night at Lews, Remember??

:patriot:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:59 AM
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5. He doesn't have to win PA at all--just prevent Hillary from getting more than 55%
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 11:19 AM by rocknation
of the popular vote. THAT'S the real reason why he's putting the the pedal to the metal there--the more delegates he can command, the tougher it will be for Hillary to throw herself on the mercy of the superdelegates. And because he's raised so much money, he quite literally has nothing to lose.

Which also might explain why I like this Slate.com pic so much:



:headbang:
rocknation

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:00 AM
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6. That and 2 dollars will buy you a large cup o' coffee.
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madwivoter Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:23 AM
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7. How very Rovian of Mr. Wolfson
It must be hard work copying ideas and tactics from the Rove playbook.

Up is down, day is night in their camp.

Whatever they need to say to get through one more day I guess...

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/04/wolfson_obama_must_win_pennsyl.html
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:36 PM
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11. Do HRC supporters REALLY want a guy like Wolfson (/Penn) in the WH?
Really? Haven't you had enough of spin doctors controlling the presidency?
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madwivoter Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:08 PM
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14. Um...
I'm not a Hillary Clinton supporter...

I was comparing Wolfson (Clinton's Communications Director) to Karl Rove.

??
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:25 AM
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8. It's funny, huh?
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atal Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:36 AM
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9. Wrong
If Obama loses by only 5 points he's still electable in a general election.


Hillary needs to win by a margin of 30 points to prove she is electable
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:38 PM
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12. Oh Howard
Where are we going to move the goal post next week?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 12:40 PM
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13. The Clinton Talking Point of the Day.
And it's not terribly convincing.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:10 PM
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15. I'll take that to mean that the internals are looking bad.
Thanks for the inside scoop, Wolfie!

:hi:
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:13 PM
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17. These people need some help...
... either they are master manipulators and spin artists

OR

... they are actually clinically mentally deranged.

I can't decide which, but it's one or the other.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 01:14 PM
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18. No.
It proves that an established Democratic candidate who is well-organized, especially in the big states, can make it very difficult for a grassroots candidate to win. Hillary is the establishment candidate, do you disagree? And being the establishment candidate, she has the political support of governors and contacts from 1992 to the present. In reality, she should be doing much better, in my opinion.
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