When is Team Hillary going to put out articles on the GOP's racist history?

[Dr Fate]

I've noticed a lot of "concern" over racism from Team Hillary-mainly the questions are over who is racist and who needs to disassociate themselves from these people. The goal is to imply that Obama himself is a racist or bigot.

What I have not noticed at all- are any recent articles or surrogates from her camp discussing a much easier and plausible target- the GOP or McCain himself.

When is Lanny Davis going to print an article on the LOOOOOOONG history of the GOP's association racism & bigotry?

When will the Hillary surrogates go on TV and express "concern" for this undeniable association?

OR- should I just assume that charges and implications of racism & bigotry will only be aimed at the DEM?

If this is a fact- and Team Hillary never turns the racism gun on McCain- then can I assume that the "concern" over who is really a racist is not real?

Or am a wrong- can I find an EQUAL or greater number of articles and TV appearances from Team Hillary that imply McCain's racist associations?

[saracat]

1. Obama is the current opponent of the Clinton campign. He should be held to account first.

[Dr Fate]

2. I see- so racism is a tool to win the primary, not an actual concern of Team Hillary.

If it were a REAL "concern", they would be attacking BOTH Obama AND McCain for associating with people who have questionable positions.

Thanks for the honest response- I figured the implications are all about painting Obama as a racist to keep him from winning- and not a real concern of team Clinton.

Sad- but good to know.

Do you believe that Team Hillary would make specific examples of GOP racism a major "concern" if she somehow was given the nom? All I know is she hasnt so far- not that I've seen, and certainly not on the level of the attacks against the DEM.

[saracat]

4. Yes. She and Bill have worked against racism their entire careers. What has Obama ever done?

Except for a stint as an "agitator"? Clinton has spoken out on racism many times before this primary even was an issue.

[Dr Fate]

7. Show me the Clinton surrogates accusing McCain, as opposed to a DEM, of racism.

As it is, the Clinton's current positon on who is racist is to make that charge against a DEM, rather than McCain.

SURELY they could draw many more of these associations with McCain- if they REALLY think it is an issue worth discussing- have they?

Dont change the subject- if Clinton's suggogates can speak out and make implications that Obama is racist, then why cant they make the same charges agaisnt McCain & the GOP?

Show us the recent articles from Clinton surrogates that imply racist associations on the part of the GOP or McCain.

If you cant- then my point stands- team Clinton is not sincre as to their "concerns" about Obama's pastor. If they were, we would hear similar "concerns" about the GOP too.

Dont you agree that if Clinton REALLY wants a conversation about people who associate with racists, that McCain should also be a target?

[saracat]

8. McCain is not yet her opponent. It would be a waste of ammo to use it on him now and not in the GE.

Meanwhile, Obama has been implying racism in the Clinton campaign since the beginning. Obama has played the "race card" since the beginning.The Wright patronage shows that the racist in the Democratic primary isn't Hillary Clinton and who that racist is needs to be addressed.But whatever. Believe as you wish.I know you will.It is silly to expect either of the Democratic candidates to campaign against the GOP candidate before the primary is settled.

[Dr Fate]

9. Wrong- Hillary and Obama both attack McCain all the time.

If she was SINCERELY concerend about people who associate themselves with racism, she would be attacking McCain for his decades long association with it- as it is, she has mostly gone after the DEM on that one.

Silly to expect the candidates to attack McCain? LOL! Actually, Hillary and Obama have both been going after McCain on various issues.

The only issue that has gone untouched in that regard is a given candidate's association with racism- so far Hillary's people have only attacked the DEM for that one...

Do you really believe that Hillary is going to try to paint McCain as a racist via his associations-in the GE, as she has done with Obama?

I dont see it- the DLC types think that this would offend too many of the old-time people that she wants to vote for her. You know "the race card."

If racism by association really offends her surrogates, they would be talking about BOTH candidates, not just the DEM.

[saracat]

10. Maybe some don't see Mccain personally as a 'racist". I actually haven't examined him in enough

deatail on that issue. He may not be a racist. He does in fact have a dark skinned daughter whom he adopted, and that was used against him by the Bush Campaign. Racism may not be what he is guilty of. As for attacking surrogates, I think it is Barack himself who has been attacked, he is the one who states he didn't see anything controversial in Wright's remarks.He seems to be contradicting himself on that issue but he does that a lot and no one calls him on it as they do hillary. Whatever.

[Dr Fate]

11. Exactly. Give McCain of the GOP the benefit of the doubt, and attack the DEM as "the real racist."

I think you called it though- McCain will never be attacked for his NUMEROUS racist associations that stretch over years (Which for some strange reason, you cant seem to see).

As it stands only Obama will be attacked for that- by Hillary and then later by McCain surrogates. The old time "reverse racism" that my elderly Southern uncles always harp on will be the only "racism" discussed by Hillary in this primary.

At this stage of the game, I just dont see why Team Clinton prefers to associate the DEM with racism but leaves the GOP alone on that one...

[saracat]

15. You know the same argument could be made as to why isn't Barack

taking the GOP on concerning sexism? Actually why doesn't Obama seem to be concerned with sexism atv all? Both these arguments are specious at best. Neither candidate is doing either of these things because they won't work.Attacking McCain for racism would bea as stupid as attacking his wat record.No one would win

[Dr Fate]

18. When did Obama accuse a DEM of being sexist? As it is, Team Hillary has accused only a DEM of racism

You are incorrect when you say "neither candidate" is accusing someone of being racist- Team Hillary uses it's surrogates to imply that Obama is racist- so why cant they do the same w/ McCain-if it really is a concern?

Team Hillary knows you could draw numerous racists associations with he GOP if you really wanted to-50 years worth and counting in fact-if they TRULY are concerned with it as opposed to using it as a cynical wedge against a mixed race man, they would go for it.

Team Hillary also knows that you can paint Obama with "reverse racism" in the eyes of conservatives- which is why they keep drumming up the issue.

The issue here is that Team Hillary only implies that the DEM is racist, but has yet to imply that the Repub is racist by association.

If Obama was accusing DEMS of being sexist but not the GOP, your analogy would work- but it doesnt.

[saracat]

20. The Obama Campaign issued a very famous "memo " in regard to playing the "race card"

and implying Clinton was racist. Russert referred to it in one of the Debates and held up the 4 page "memo".Obama did not deny or really apologize for it.

[Dr Fate]

22. So Russert (R) thinks Obama is a "reverse racist"- wow, I'm suprised.

I thought Obama was now a sexist as well- where is the story where Obama accuses a DEM of being sexist? You seem to be glossing over that one.

If Hillary & Russert can only attack Obama's "reverse racism" but not McCain's associations & votes- what does that say about this "race card?"

[saracat]

23. Don't be silly. Tim Russert didn't say anything negative about Obama. What

makes him a Repug? The fact that he had Obam's own memo? Obama admitted the memo. Sorry some of his supporters can't face the truth.

[Dr Fate]

24. 1st off, where is your link? I cant just take your side of the story. Secondly-

...if currently, Hillary can only attack Obama's "reverse racism" but not REAL racism on the part of the GOP, what does that say about Team Hillary's views on race and race cards?

If an Obama memo implied that Team Hillary is being selective on the issue of race, then Lanny's and other's selective outrage helps make that point, doesnt it?

If Hillary people would go after McCain as hard as they go after Obama as a racist- there wouldnt be much of a leg for me to stand on.

3rd- you tried to implicate that sexism was also an issue- but you never showed us where Obama accused a DEM of being sexist- can we assume you are dropping that diversion/counter argument?

4th- are you REALLY trying to imply that Russert has not been pro-conservative on nearly every issue and news item? LOL!!!

5th- at this stage of the process- if Hillary HAS to play the race card -then why not against the GOP, rather than the DEM, or not at all?

[roseBudd]

So McCain being for co9nfederate flag flying & against MLK holiday good, BO bad hating whitey man

So Obama is the real racist. Hates his mom, hates his grandma, hates his colleaques in the Senate who are 99% white. Makes perfect sense.

[Dr Fate]

32. Team Hill: The mixed race man needs to come clean- but it's "too risky" to take on McCain's past.

Team Hill:

"GOP- racist against Black people and everyone else?

NOOOOOOO- we cant say THAT. The best we can do is drum up the old time "reverse racism" perception against the DEM."

[susankh4]

34. This is going to be iffy territory....

if it is covered at all. Mr. McCain has an adopted daughter of color. That will go a long way toward diffusing any accusations the Dems may bring.

He also made a point, recently, of apologizing for voting aginst MLK day....

[Dr Fate]

36. So its okay to say the DEM is racist, but too risky to do it to McCain- gotcha.

Newsflash- the DEM has also apologized for what he didnt even say- yet team Clinton keeps beating the drum. McCain also apologized- what is the difference?

Obmama doesnt have a kid of a second color- he IS two different colors! LOL! What is the difference?

So now what is the excuse?

So far, all we know is that team Hillary willingly attacks the Democrat on race, but seems to think it is risky to do the same to McCain.

If it's risky to charge racism against the GOP, then why do it at all-especially against the DEM?

As it is, you make excuses for Hillary not going after McCain on race, but you seem to think it's okay for her to to it to the DEM.

What you mean to say is that it is easy for Hillary to convince white conservatives of "reverse racisim"- but more difficult to take that battle to where it really belongs- McCain's GOP.

In other words, the "concern" over racism is cynical and fake.

[roseBudd]

27. "Clinton has spoken out on racism" so she has a speech and Obama has actions... on racism

Of course the Clinton's have spoken out against racism,and also expected that the loyal African American base would vote for them because they have a D after their names. How dare that base vote for an African American democrat over a white one?

[democracy1st]

28. Worked against racism their entire careers B.S.

They wouldn't even take up for Democratic voters screwed over in Florida and Ohio

[roseBudd]

31. Yes I would like to know what Hillary does for all those poor blacks in her own state, anyone know?

[Dr Fate]

35. I wouldnt doubt it if she has-but I do know that she is using is race to attack the DEM, not McCain.

If she can only use the old-time "reverse racism" against the DEM, but cant bring charges against McCain for REAL racism,-I think that says a lot about what she is currently willing to do and what she is not willing to do on the issue.

[PVnRT]

37. Being a community organizer is now being an agitator?

Hmmmmmmm

[saracat]

41. He called it that himself. Like Hillary ,Barack was a diciple of Alinsky.

[UALRBSofL]

51. saracat, have you ever read anything from Alinsky??

He was way ahead of his time and his grass roots model has been used by Obama as well as Clinton. We saw much of his model in the 60's with the left wing radicals, but, getting corporate america involved we have only seen in the past 15 years. However, Obama and Hillary use his model but they incorporate it from an outside-in whereas Alinsky suggested political change from an inside-out method. I find it very interesting how these candidates, well, many politicians in general have groomed themselves at an early age to run for public office and how they use political models to frame there campaign. Thanks for posting, it makes for an interesting topic of conversation.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

43. You mean like the time Bill flew back to AR during the 92 campaign

To execute a mentally disabled Black man? Or how about when he golfed at that whites only country club?

[Dr Fate]

53. But Team Hillary is too busy crusading against the "reverse racism" of the mixed-race man...

...to talk about white racism, much less their own misjudgments or mistakes in that regard.

After all, GOP style behavior, such as going to an an all white club or executing a mentally disabled prisoner doesnt upset white, conservative swing-voters-But cries of "the angry black man hates all of us white folks"-that's a different story...

[Lerkfish]

57. seriously, WTF is wrong with you?

do you even listen to what you are saying?

bizarro.

[bobthedrummer]

3. Yeah, Sen. McCain wants to run against Sen. Clinton either way it's a "win for war"

btw, as far as I'm concerned Sen. Obama put the issue of race behind in a speech little over a week ago--but not here.

Example: "The Obama infection and the lynching of Hillary Clinton" posted by Evergreen Emerald 4-6-2008 (EE has stated he/she stands behind the OP link 100%)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5408667

[Dr Fate]

5. It resurfaced in a Lanny Davis article in the Wash. Post this week.

Otherwise, I wouldnt be discussing it either.

Davis, being a Clinton surrogate, who is apparently very "concerned" about DEMS who may or may not be racists, but never voices the same "concerns" as to the GOP.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120770107738700007.html...

[bobthedrummer]

6. I'm not "surprised"-k&r

[Dr Fate]

12. Thanks for the rec- kick

n/t

[redqueen]

13. Wow...

ugh.

[rodeodance]

14. what a stupid post!!--nothing but flamebait!

[bobthedrummer]

17. Sure...

:silly:

:nopity:

[Dr Fate]

21. I take it you dont have any recent examples of Team Hillary accusing a NON DEM of racism.

As it stands, they have only implied that the DEM is the "real racist."

McCain and his GOP buddies must be beyond repproach on that issue...

[TTUBatfan2008]

16. The Dems used to be the party of racists...

Robert Byrd was in the KKK, Lincoln (a Republican) signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Racism has been a problem on both sides of the aisle, though it certainly seems that the parties flip-flopped on the issue at some point.

[Dr Fate]

19. According to Team Hillary & McCain, some of us still are- except now its "reverse racism"

You know "reverse racism"- that thing that old Southern white men are always so "concerned" about.

[Not the Only One]

25. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican.

It was only in 1960 did the Democratic Party begin to embrace African Americans. Before that, you had Eisenhower enacting the Civil Rights Act of 1957, which JFK actually voted against (as did Al Gore's Dad). Eisenhower carried out desegregation of the military and appointed Justice Earl Warren who brought about Brown vs. Board of Education and sent troops to Little Rock to desegregate Central High (the Little Rock Nine). Condi Rice said she came from a family of Republicans for the same reason as MLK, Jr. and others-- Democrats in the Deep South wouldn't allow them to register. And, devils like Bull Connor were Southern Democrats, so why would African Americans want to be in the same club as he?

[Dr Fate]

26. And it is the same old-time Dixiecrats that Team Hillary & McCain hopes to bait.

Also remember that when the old-time racist DEMS bolted in the 60's (ie Thurman, Helms, etc), it was JOHN MCCAIN'S GOP that welcomed them w/ open arms.

[Not the Only One]

38. McCain is from the Goldwater lineage (Arizona Republicans against civil rights)

That's how he was on the wrong side of the MLK Holiday. All of the AZ GOP at that time was opposed to it.

[Dr Fate]

39. I know- I'd love to see an "Obama is a reverse racist" Clintonite write about that.

So far, all the major racism charges that I've seen are aimed at the DEM though.

[bobthedrummer]

29. kick

[Texas Hill Country]

30. actually, technically, the Dems have a longer history? Dixiecrats anyone?

[Dr Fate]

33. Right- but what about the last 4 decades or so? The dixiecrats mostly joined McCain's party.

And they were welcomed with opened arms.

If the GOP wants to discuss their 1950's associations with racists versus the ones from their last 40 years, I'd say that's a battle Hillary could win- IF she REALLY wanted to discuss who hangs out with racists(Hint- she doesnt-except to attack Obama).

But dont expect the "Obmama hates us white people" crowd, be they Hillary or McCain surrogates- to bring up the more current historical and personal associations between McCain and racists.

[bobthedrummer]

40. Let's not forget all those "white flight Democrats" that joined up with Reagan in the 80's either.

The racist appeal was cloaked within the Reagan/Bush welfare reform/crime/taxes RW coded talking points.

[Dr Fate]

42. kick

n/t

[bobthedrummer]

44. and another k...

[Basement Beat]

45. Great points....

This needs to be kicked again.

I don't think I have enough posts to rec but I would if I could.

[mmonk]

46. No you won't see it.

It will cause attention to their campaign tactics when the GOP fires back.

[stillcool]

47. Anything that can be..

done to stir up racial divide is a winner. It is the vehicle being used to insinuate Senator Obama is 'unelectable' (because he is black). There have been a lot of people lighting matches like crazy trying to fan the flames or racism, but somehow the fire never gets going. I have a feeling that if they keep it up they are going to get burned.

[4themind]

50. Post of the day

please consider making an OP from this

[4themind]

48. And the excuse of "we do it because the GOP will do it too"

Is almost like, police recruits training for the mean streets in academy , by shooting live ammunition at each other(without bullet proof vests even)

[UALRBSofL]

49. OP here is my opinion, just my thoughts

I do agree the Republican party and it's supporters, much of them are racists and I would say they all discriminate against GLBT's. However, Hillary is in a fight for her life trying to get the nomination. She is concentrating on this. I'm sure she would not hesitate to call the republican party out if she were the nominee.

[Dr Fate]

52. I agree with you that she is race-baiting the DEM to get the nom-But I disagree with you....

...on whether she will do it to McCain if she was the nominee.

It's "too risky" to play "the race card" against McCain- and the DLC types think that attacking the GOP on race would turn off the old-time conservatives that they think will vote for her (LOL)

I'm glad that you at least admit that she is doing this to win the nomination.

She has no real "concern" over who associates with racists- Team Hillary is using race in a fake, cynical manner just to win the nomination.

If she was REALLY concerned about who associates themsleves with racists, she would have been calling out Republicans as well as Obama on this.

So far, team Hillary has only accused a mixed race man of racism, not the man who voted down the MLK holiday and chummed up with Strom Thurman. They never will either.

[SIMPLYB1980]

54. When will team Obama stop telling us to vote for him or we are as racist as the Republicans?

It's all I've heard since before the SC primary? But thats not playing the race card is it?

[Prophet 451]

56. Many Hillary supporters have been doing the same with sexism n/t

[Dr Fate]

60. Except Obama never accused another DEM of being sexist.

In this instance, Hillary's surrogates are implying that Obama is a "reverse racist"

[Dr Fate]

59. It's not racist to vote against Obama- but it is suspect to only attack him as "the real racist"...

...while giving McCain a free pass.

If Hillary & Lanny Davis were really "concerned" over who has racist friends and who doesnt, then they would have been all over McCain and 90% of the GOP as well.

She is accusing Obama of "reverse racism" in a fake, cynical attempt to win votes- if sincere outrage exists, then she would be going after McCain on that with equal vigor.

At this stage of the game, if she HAS to bring up race, why use it to attack the DEM but not McCain?

If you have a news article where an Obama surrogate says that voting against Obama is racist, feel free to post it or even start a thread.

[Prophet 451]

55. In fairness

I doubt Obama, Hillary, Bill OR McCain are personally racist. Both Clinton's have worked and spoken against racism in the past and McCain has a dark-skinned adopted daughter (who is Bangladeshi, I think).

As for whether the Clinton's have been race-baiting, I'm not sure. I haven't personally noticed it (apart from the Ferraro fiasco and that seemed to be mainly stubborness rather than agreement) but I could be simply missing it.

[Dr Fate]

58. Her surrogate, Lanny Davis has implied Obama's "racism" by association- but not so with McCain.

This thread asks the question: Why?

If she really is concerned & outraged over who associates themsleves with racists, as opposed to merely using it to win, she would do it to both the DEM and the Repub, not just the DEM.