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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:52 PM
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Why Obama Is The Superior Candidate**
(**About a week ago I posted this same commentary... unfortunately I chose a nice neutral academic sounding title, which resulted in it being promptly ignored by most of the forum. I said at the time that maybe in a week or so I'd try re-posting it with something more partisan as the title to guage the reaction, and here we are. On the one hand I'm hoping for more response. On the other I'll be somewhat disappointed if I see it just because I made the title more confrontational.)

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Clinton is an Administrator

The majority of politicians are Administrators. We all know this when we take even a small moment to consider the matter. They are capable managers. They are skilled at navigating and employing the bureaucracy. They delegate tasks and responsibilities fairly well. They keep the gears turning and the machine oiled and prevent it from breaking down too often or too badly... most of the time. They inspire confidence in their supporters that they are capable and reliable. They keep people comfortable in their beds at night knowing someone is at the wheel who isn't going to run the ship into an iceberg.

What they do not do is institute real, sweeping change.

It's not necessarily because they don't want to, it's because they lack the toolkit necessary to get it done. Administrators are very good at using the political machinery, but the political machinery isn't constructed for revolution. It's very much made for the status quo. Maintaining the current state of affairs and telling people they should be comfortable with it is what it does best. If a persons main strength is their experience running the machine then they are well qualified to run the machine the way it usually runs. Demanding successful large scale reform and revolution from an Administrator isn't really fair to them, that's not what they're trained for.

Hillary Clinton is an Administrator. This is not to say she can't have great new policy ideas, she certainly can, she's a very smart lady. That is not to say she will not call for extensive change or does not desire to see it happen. That is not even to say she will not actively fight for it. She just isn't equipped to see it through successfully. She would make a very capable president. She would be a gargantuan improvement over the last 8 years, and relative to them that difference may very well give the impression of sweeping change and revolution even if it is really more a return to the status quo after an 8 year radical departure into total incompetence. And for many people that's what they would be more than happy to see, so she appeals on those grounds. The experience argument is all about this.

Obama is a Leader

Very few politicians are Leaders. Leaders don't just manage people, they inspire them in masses when they would otherwise be taking no notice. They mobilize them in hordes when they would otherwise be staying home. They don't just organize projects and staff committees... they ignite movements. They can use the machine, but they do not rely on it, because they are capable of bringing in such massive levels of support from quarters that don't typically come into play in day to day politics. The people who would be apathetic and uninvolved under the direction of an Administrator, leaving it to the machines own devices to get anything done, are out in the streets actively working for reform when rallied by a Leader.

If you want real reform, if you want the true possibility of sweeping change in how the government operates, you need a Leader to get it done. There are never any guarantees involved when you put your bets on a Leader. The fact that they have the tools necessary to institute reform doesn't mean they will... but they're your best shot at it.

Barrack Obama is a Leader. One only has to poke their head up and look around to see the evidence of it anywhere you turn. An entire generation of traditionally apathetic and uninvolved younger voters are swarming all over the democratic primaries with enthusiasm and ferver. Millions of individual donors are funding his run. Campaign offices nationwide are overrun with volunteers wanting to contribute.

When Clinton speaks people nod their heads and comment on how she has some good or even great ideas and a firm grasp on policy. Her long term supporters get excited by the prospects she offers. When Obama speaks people who have never even hear of him except in a passing news report do double-takes and switch their allegiances while those already on his side go ballistic at every confirmation of what an inspiration the man is. This is a man who many people had never heard of at all before the 2004 Democratic convention, but who, when exposed to him there for the first time, had the instant initial impression "good god, imagine him as a presidential candidate". He totally and completely overshadowed Kerry, effortlessly. I loved Kerry, I though he was a really smart guy, I can't express how superior he would have been as a president these last four years... but he was another Administrator. He didn't have it in him to inspire anyone who wasn't already prone to political activism. Obama is in a whole other league. People who are committed to seeing Clinton win certainly can't deny the effect, so they respond by trying to downplay or belittle it in an attempt to defend their candidate. All talk no action. Just words, no experience. An "empty suit". A cult of personality. "Drinking the kool-aid".

They are so, incredibly missing the point.

The man can motivate people to get excited and active about political reform when nobody else can get them off their couches to even cast a vote. If you want to get truly significant change and reform implemented in government that's what it's going to take. People recognize it in him. They don't turn out by the thousand screaming about hope and change just because Obama says "Hope" and "Change" a lot, it's because they see the potential for it to actually be realized when they're exposed to him and what he's doing.

As for the electability arguments in the GE, I don't buy them. Current GE polling is greatly effected by the continuing internal warfare over the Democratic primary. Beyond that, McCain is many things... he's a patriot whatever his detractors may say, he's a genuine war here, he's got a public image as being less dogmatic and more moderate than most Republicans (accurately earned or not)... but put that man on a stage, in front of thousands of people and a national television audience, in the first live verbal presidential debate, arguing for why we need to 'stay the course' in Iraq and explaining why it's not a bad thing that he doesn't really understand the economy and on the other side of the stage... is Barrack Obama and all the policy positions he's laid out over the last many months. Just put the outcome of that contest in your head. If McCain is smart he'd refuse to ever be in the same room as Obama and a camera from here until November, because Obama will very politely, civilly and respectfully annihilate him in a live debate. By November I expect the electoral map showing a clear victory if not a total blowout for Obama once the nation turns their true attentions to Obama vs. McCain instead of Obama vs. Clinton.

To sum up:

Solid policies and management of the nuts and bolts of the government of the nation: Either Obama or Clinton will do that job just fine.
A whole new generation of politically active and engaged Democrats: Obama can produce it. Clinton cannot.
Grassroots mobilization for true governmental reform: Obama can produce it. Clinton cannot.

And that is the bottom line for me, my perspective on the "intangible" factor at work in this contest... except it isn't intangible at all in Obama's case. It's laid out in stark and concrete terms every time you look at the nature of his support base.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 04:54 PM
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1. great summary! k&r
"To sum up:

Solid policies and management of the nuts and bolts of the
government of the nation: Either Obama or Clinton will do that
job just fine.
A whole new generation of politically active and engaged
Democrats: Obama can produce it. Clinton cannot.
Grassroots mobilization for true governmental reform: Obama
can produce it. Clinton cannot."
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:10 PM
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2. You can seen leader written all over this guy down to execution or choosing those who do.
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:11 PM
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3. Well said! this is why...
I've often described Obama as the progressive answer to Reagan - if he can transform the dialogue as effectively as Reagan did, we could be looking at a virtual dynasty for progressive leadership.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:58 PM
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4. another kick
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 05:59 PM
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5. There it is in a nutshell.
Thanks for posting!

K&R
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 06:00 PM
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6. HAHAHA, you guys are hilarious... he hasnt led anything... ever
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 06:37 PM
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9. Are you familiar with the Democratic Primary campaign?
It's been in the news... you might have seen a story or two on it. A candidate funding his run pretty much entirely with hordes of small individual donors, an army of grassroots organizations in state after state running circles around the traditional big party campaign machines, a huge upsurge in young voter participation after a generation and more of election apathy...

I noticed you chose to respond to my lengthy explanation of the contrasts between Clinton and Obama with a post that consisted of a single line title and no content, and no attempt to address any of the specifics of my analysis. That is usually, in my experience, a sign of something.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:49 PM
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16. Ignored is known for his lack of substance
It's best to pity him, than engage him.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 06:01 PM
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7. I don't want a leader, I want someone I can help influence...
Leaders have a tendency to be too damn selfish, or too damned cowardly to buck trends, they are too comfortable in their position of power. I would much prefer Obama was a FOLLOWER of the Left, not a leader of the Center.
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chill factor Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 06:32 PM
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8. my graduate degree is in Leadership...
and I have held leadership positions in many organizations - business and education.

There is a huge difference between managers and leaders. (sorry, gcomeau, I would have used the term 'manager' rather than 'administrator.') Warren Bennis is a world-renowned trainer of leaders. He says,"Managers are people who do things right...but leaders are people who do the right thing." Leaders are vision-oriented, look to the horizon, and are capable of seeing the larger picture. Leaders are proactive rather than reactive. Albert Einstein observed,"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we are at when we created them."

Senator Obama is a leader, Hillary is a manager.(and she has not done a very good job as even a manager given the state of her campaign.)
Senator Obama is vision-oriented, Hillary focuses on what is good for her, not Americans as a whole.
Senator Obama can look beyond the here and now and focus on the horizon of new ideas; Hillary looks at today and has no conception of tomorrow.
Senator Obama is proactive; Hillary is reactive.
Senator Obama recognizes that in order to solve our problems we must think out-of-the-box, Hillary is stuck in the same level of thinking.

T. E. Lawrence wrote a stirring poem about vision:
All men dream; but not equally.
Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds
Awake to find that it was vanity.
But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,
That they make act on their dreams with open
eyes to make it possible.

Senator Obama is a dreamer of the day; he can make things possible.

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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:02 PM
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10. Yeah well,
"Administrator" was just the first word that came to mind. I did actually consider manager instead, but decided to go with my first instinct.

Albert Einstein observed,"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we are at when we created them."


That's a pretty darn effective way to sum up the situation as well. bottom line is for all the arguments about Clinton's experience, it's experience doing what that is my main concern. And everything I see says it's experience running things exactly the same way almost any run of the mill Democratic politician would run things, which is not something most people on this forum have usually been all that ecstatic about if they take a minute to stop and reflect. Good intentions, usually... and little to no effective follow through because they lack the tools necessary to garner the needed support from the general population to do anything significant and make it stick. Better than the average Republican and how they handle things, hand down no question, but not good enough. Especially measured against the potential Obama represents for real, concrete reform.
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chill factor Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:40 PM
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13. that tag 'experience 'gets me...
It is how you use your 'experience' that is the crux of leadership - acknowledging and sharing uncertainty, embracing error, responding to the future, becoming personally involved (i.e. not hearing but listening, nurturing, coping with value concepts, etc.),and gaining self-knowledge. I see all of these traits in Senator Obama. Senator Obama is a person who can learn how to use his mistakes as learning experiences, constantly embrace his understanding of his own limits and biases, and engage others in goal-setting. I do not see any of these characteristics in the other candidates.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:07 PM
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28. Additionally...
"Senator Obama is a person who can learn how to use his mistakes as learning experiences"

Not only that, teaching experiences... which I consider far more valuable. His university teaching background really kicks in there, you could see it shining through in his More Perfect Union speech. He made people think.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:06 PM
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12. Wow....
...wish I could rec this post!

Thanks!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:04 PM
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11. Why is he superior? Because....
...he is NOT HiLIARy Clinton.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:45 PM
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14. Please,
...try to remain a civil and constructive approach in this thread. Name calling isn't going to get any of us anywhere.

(In other news, this post has now been up three hours and is fast nearing 200 views. The last post got about 160 views in a day and a half, after I had to bump it off the back pages a few times. The power of deliberately pushing buttons with a title is revealed, even to the relatively mild degree I did so here.)
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:02 PM
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18. Excuse me....but who the hell made you a mod?
The reason that Obama is a superior candidate is that unlike Hillary he is truthful. Get it? I don't need to pontificate like your OP to get a point across. I did it with a simple word: HilLIARy. She is untruthful and that in and of itself makes Obama a better candidate.

Sheesh...grow up. You are posting on a PUBLIC board. If you don't like the public replying...go to a private site, OK?
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:06 PM
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19. Nobody. But I made myself a civil and mature adult...
...which is the only thing I need to be to respectfully and politely request that you keep the name calling out of my thread.

If you want to make an argument that Obama is more honest than Hillary by all means make it. It can be quite easily done without employing schoolyard taunts and insults. And I find it amusing that the one throwing them around for no particularly good reason and getting outraged that anyone objects to it is the one telling me to grow up.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:23 PM
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24. Substitute "arrogant" for "civil and mature" and IMO your post would be correct.
Do you always get your panties in a twist like this? Chill, OK? This is a messasge board...not some graduate semimar.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:30 PM
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27. I am always somewhat puzzled...
...by how anyone thinks they can make an argument that they're not really acting in an immature manner by employing an approach such as telling the person criticizing them for it that they are "getting their panties in a twist" or anything along similar lines which is itself an illustration of immaturity. And the fact that you think we would need to be in a graduate seminar before name calling becomes inappropriate, and that you think it arrogant to ask in a perfectly polite manner that it be curtailed when someone engages in it, is something of a commentary itself on the level of maturity you are maintaining in this discussion.

I am completely at a loss for how "this is a message board" is a statement that leads to the conclusion "therefore name calling is perfectly acceptable behavior". Could you walk me through the line of reasoning you're using to get from start to finish there? I have always been under the impression that basic manners were appropriate in all forums of discussion.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:48 PM
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15. Your argument as to why he can win the GE relies on the debate.
The debate really doesn't affect things that much. He will be facing such a deficit that the debate won't help him that much. Even if you are right about the leader vs. administrator, and even if you are right that Obama would make a better president, it is very unlikely for him to win the electoral college. He might drive up huge grassroots support in red states, closing the gaps, but that won't net him a single electoral vote.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 07:55 PM
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17. No, it does not.
The debate setting was simply used as an illustrative example of how the contrast between Obama and McCain is going to work out once people are focused on comparing the Democratic and Republican nominee and their policies and general character and leadership styles instead of having all of their attention obsessively focused on the Obama vs. Clinton battle.

And I am unsure what deficit you are referring to when you refer to him facing "such a deficit that the debate won't help him much". Both democratic candidates poll poorly against McCain right now but a lot of that is an artifact of the internal warfare in the Democratic party... and both tend to have comparable results, with the difference being when Obama is presented as the nominee, even under the current conditions, a lot of states that are normally "red states" are suddenly very much in play, and McCain has to start spreading his resources a lot more thinly just to cover his own home turf. And he's going to be in deep trouble resource wise against an Obama fundraising machine already.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:14 PM
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21. The deficit comes from the fact that unknown candidates always lose ground from the nomination
to the GE. Kerry was ahead by 10 this time in 04. Dukakis was ahead by more than 10 this time in 88. It's the swiftboat effect, which started long before the term was coined in 04.

If this election were entirely about issues, I agree that Obama would school McCain. But it isn't. Obama is the most swift-boatable candidate in modern history. The Repubs don't even need to make things up about him; they just can point out facts. They affect Obama soo much more than they effect Hillary because Obama is not known or defined yet. The Republicans will define him. It is so much harder to swiftboat a well-known candidate than it is to swiftboat someone completely unknown, who was just a local state senator 3 years ago.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:20 PM
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23. Kerry was the acknowledged nominee by this time in 2004.
The comparison doesn't really work. There should be a significant correction in the poll numbers in the weeks after the nomination is finally and publicly settled.

Beyond that, you may have missed that my argument for why Obama will crush McCain is hardly entirely dependent on the issues although he'll crush him there. The intangibles of character and charisma are so heavily in Obama's favor it's almost scary... and as for him being "the most swift boatable candidate in modern history" last I checked that was just tried against him a couple weeks ago, in spades, complete with made for tabloid video they couldn't have asked better of if it had been produced to order, and he came out of it with higher poll numbers then he went in with. In short, I dispute your assessment.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:07 PM
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20. Because he can win without 270 electoral votes. YES WE CAN!
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:14 PM
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22. I sense a pattern developing.
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 08:23 PM by gcomeau
There have been two responses by prominent and active Hillary supporters in this thread. Both were single line post titles with no content at all and absolutely no attempt to present any kind of argument or critique of the content of my analysis.

I will hold out hope that this pattern will be broken, because I do actually think that there are quite a few supporters of Clinton who have it in them to have a serious and mature discussion of the relative character and merits of the candidates. Until that happens however you guys aren't painting the best picture of your camp.

(Edit: No knock on zlt234, who is making a perfectly decent effort at a serious conversation.)
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:29 PM
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25. Most of the voters have been heard. One candidate is ahead in basically every category.
Edited on Thu Apr-10-08 08:32 PM by PseudoIntellect
Who do you think will be better at rallying for increased support/campaign contributions/volunteers this summer/fall? The answer is laughably obvious. Don't count the front-runner out on the key states. Like you said, he was ahead in PA and OH in a couple of polls. It's not like he's guaranteed to lose those states. Which candidate narrows the gap every time, and which loses support leading up to primaries? Who's more competent/efficient at running a campaign?
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 08:30 PM
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26. K&R for the good clarification.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 10:56 PM
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29. Obama will be a great president. Hillary, not so much.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:00 PM
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30. What evidence is there that HRC can adminstrate effectively?
I've seen none. She inherited her Senate operation from Daniel Moynihan and I have no doubt he kept it well-oiled and running like a top. Her campaign is a trainwreck and that's the end of her adminstrative experience.

:shrug:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-10-08 11:06 PM
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31. k and r
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 05:51 AM
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32. It's primary time. Anything with a candidates name on it is going to get more attention.
Great post, by the way.
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