New AP/Ipsos General Election matchups: Obama blows 10% lead over McCain (they are now tied)

[Andrew99]

National end date 4/9 (previous end date 2/24)

February poll in parentheses:

Obama 46, Clinton 43 (Obama 46, Clinton 43)

McCain 45, Obama 45 (Obama 51, McCain 41)
Clinton 48, McCain 45 (Clinton 48, McCain 43)

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/client/act_dsp_pdf.cfm?name=mr080410-3topline.pdf&id=3879

[Teaser]

1. It's just press

McCain has had a lot of good press lately. Obama has been coasting for a while.

Once he starts campaigning the numbers will shift. It's inevitable.

[jackson_dem]

5. That doesn't explain it. Clinton lost only 2 points. Obama lost 10

And the rethugs have yet to send their attack dogs after Obama... He could be 10 points down by the convention.

[Teaser]

10. Nah. not gonna happen.

.

[rodeodance]

48. It is a significant loss for Obama

[madrchsod]

7. he did? i must have missed that

[Teaser]

9. yeah, looks like you did.

.

[Name removed]

2. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[thevoiceofreason]

3. Welcome to DU

Such deep concern for Senator Obama on your first day here. What is your screen name at other sites? (We'd like to know a little bit about you for our files)

[FrenchieCat]

4. So who's playing Dukakis?

:boring:

Poll Gives Large Lead To Dukakis Over Bush

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: June 17, 1988

LEAD: Gov. Michael S. Dukakis held a 15-point lead over Vice President Bush in an NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll released yesterday, largely on the strength of overwhelming support for Mr. Dukakis among women.

Gov. Michael S. Dukakis held a 15-point lead over Vice President Bush in an NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll released yesterday, largely on the strength of overwhelming support for Mr. Dukakis among women.

Mr. Dukakis was supported by 49 percent of the registered voters in the poll, as against 34 percent for Mr. Bush, NBC News reported. Among men the split was 46 percent to 40 percent for Mr. Dukakis, but among women his margin was 52 percent to 28 percent.

The national survey of 2,014 adults was conducted June 9-12. Its result was similar to that of a Gallup poll, conducted June 10-12, that found a 14-point Dukakis lead. Two other polls early in June put the Massachusetts Governor's lead in single digits; others in May had Mr. Dukakis's lead as great as 16 points.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE4DF1F3DF934A25755C0A96E948260

[jackson_dem]

6. Bill Clinton won due to women as well

Dukakis? He was a "new" candidate who did well in national polls against the rethug early until they defined him as a far left America hater tied to a rapist. If you think Horton was bad wait until they use William Ayers against Obama...

[boston bean]

12. that is what is coming next. it's gonna be ugly. axelrod is on record

saying they were "certainly friendly".

[FrenchieCat]

15. Hillary is Dukakis. Didn't you know?

:shrug:

[jackson_dem]

19. No Democrat can win without carrying women. So you agree Obama is Dukakis then?

:D

[boston bean]

22. no, i don't think barack is dukakis either. but ayres is gonna be a problem, you gotta admit that.

[FrenchieCat]

25. Get on your knees and pray........now.....

He's the Black candidate.....so he's got to be radical.

Meanwhile the clintons lie left and right.....whatever.

Just remember, she wins the nomination in any of this kind of fashion, she loses the general election. That's just the way it is.
If it can't be a fair election based on something other than character assassination and the politics of divisive hate via weak association, millions will sit on their hands or start looking at McSame, as you know.

Not all Democrats are under educated or stupid.

So go for it, and good luck! You'll need it. :hi:

[boston bean]

38. what do i personally have to do with it? nt

[FrenchieCat]

40. Bitch gets stuff done?

Interesting sig you've got there.

[boston bean]

42. what are you talking about, I can't follow you?

[GarbagemanLB]

26. You mean the guy from that terrorist organization whos members BILL CLINTON PARDONED?

No, I don't think Hillary wants to bring that up..

[FrenchieCat]

27. Yep. Actually, he pardonned two of them.....convicted ones.

:eyes:

[GarbagemanLB]

30. Yeah, Hillary really doesn't want to bring up Ayers.

[jackson_dem]

31. Why the Hill obsession? Hill won't be in the GE if she loses

[GarbagemanLB]

33. You're the one who is arguing she is the better candidate. Her husband PARDONED some WU terrorists..

[jackson_dem]

41. Bush 41 pardoned terrorists too. Neither became friends with one

She can defuse it by pointing to Bush. Obama can't defuse it.

[GarbagemanLB]

44. Wow. You are crazy if you think Clinton can be helped from this issue.

[jackson_dem]

45. What does Clinton have to do with this? If she loses she won't be in the GE with Michael Obama

[GarbagemanLB]

46. What the hell does MICHELLE have to do with this? LOL. Talk about left-field! Is your koolaid meter

low?

[jackson_dem]

47. Michael, as in Michael Dukakis. At least Dukakis got 46% in the GE

[jackson_dem]

20. And Ayrers held fundraisers for Obama and is unrepetant about his terrorism

Of course he was no longer a killer when Obama met him but the right-wing won't mention that part of the story...

[boston bean]

24. I know he spoke of obama in his book. hey have you seen

the weatherunderground logo?

[jackson_dem]

29. No. Don't tell me it resembles the Pepsi logo!

[boston bean]

36. go look it up and decide for yourself.

[jackson_dem]

43. Wow. How could Obama be so blind? Where was that "judgment" he yaks about?

[GarbagemanLB]

32. In his book did he also praise Bill for pardoning some of his convicted buddies?

[Name removed]

39. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[BzaDem]

17. OBAMA is playing Dukakis.

Why? He is unknown, and will be defined and swiftboated by Republicans. That's what happened with Dukakis (Willie Horton), and that's what will happen to Obama, just 3 years out of the state senate and unknown.

Swiftboating doesn't work nearly as well against a well known candidate.

[jackson_dem]

18. They used Dukakis vetoing a pledge of allegiance bill to take him down

Imagine what they will do with Obama's terrorist buddies and mentor/pastor "God Damn America". :scared:

[FrenchieCat]

34. Hillary was defined during this campaign.......

[cooolandrew]

8. Spin ...His lead was when the GOP had not rallied round 1 candidate..

Compared to when Obama led, McCain now has all former GOP candidates support last week Obama was 2 points behind.

[jackson_dem]

11. And that has what to do with Obama loses 10 points while Clinton lost only 2?

[exsoccermom]

13. And consider that it is possible to dislike Obama more

And consider that it is possible to dislike Obama more once you get to know him better. Many who were once neutral to him now dislike him or even loathe him.

[FrenchieCat]

16. You mean like trolls and Republicans?

Who signed up last general election around september....and haven't been back till now, cause they've got time on their hands?
Who knew? :wow:

[exsoccermom]

35. I was born and raised as a democrat

I have never voted for a republican for president or any other office (except for Charles Mac Mathias who was a better democrat than the democrat running against him). If you can't accept that some of us do not like Obama for many reasons, then maybe you need to look up what it means to be democratic. In a way it is comforting to realize that I am not a Yellow Dog Democrat. My cats hiss at you. (I'm also a cat person.) Time to call it a night, I have lots to do tomorrow and a very active weekend. Don't stay up too late children.

[rodeodance]

37. ha ha--obama supporters tout out that meme--Gosh , she was ahead by

30 pt--now she is down.
that was before another candidate came into play.

ha ha

[Faygo Kid]

14. These polls make my head spin. It's April. Remember?

[rodeodance]

21. Thank you--and welcome to DU .

[Andrew99]

28. You are most welcome

TY.

[rodeodance]

23. REC

[NJmaverick]

49. I blame Hillary for the 10% loss

[Hepburn]

51. Ditto.....

...she has absolutely NO interest in protecting the Dem lead against McCain and only the short sighted goal of stealing the nomination.

[Vinca]

50. Until there is 1 candidate vs. 1 candidate, this is meaningless. nt

[MethuenProgressive]

52. McCain picked up 2 against Clinton, too.

BO v HRC works in McCain's favor.