Bill Clinton lied many times tonight while trying to excuse Hillary's "sniper fire" lie.

[jenmito]

While stumping in Boonevillle, IN tonight, he said that Hillary made the sniper-fire comment about her Bosnia trip in 1995 (it was in '96) ONE time, late at night, when she was exhausted, and apologized immediately afterwards! He also said she was the first First Lady to go to a war zone since Eleanor Roosevelt when it was really Pat Nixon.

This was on Dan Abrams show tonight. Does Bill Clinton EVER stop lying???

[Bigleaf]

1. Yeah, I saw that. I hope that gets plenty of airtime over the next few days. What a fucking liar.

Apparently it runs in the family. Bill and Hillary Clinocchio.

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[jenmito]

4. Lawrence O'Donnell called him a "crazy uncle"! How low will the Clintons go?

[BklynChick]

2. those clintons would lie on a stack of bibles ;)

[jenmito]

7. Where did I hear that before?

(I love that pic). :hi:

[godai]

5. So, at 3 am, when she's exhausted, the country would be in grave danger.

Seems she might imagine something and maybe make a big mistake. The 'exhausted' excuse is not a good one. It indicates an unstable personality.

[jenmito]

9. True...

now they're BOTH liars!

[TheWraith]

6. They HAVE to lie, because there's no other way to justify it!

The only ways to get out of it are to admit she fabricated the thing in the first place, or to try and broaden out the lies to explain it.

[jenmito]

10. I agree. And they keep lying to cover their lies.

Not good.

[Bigleaf]

14. Yeah, didn't Al Franken write a book about the Clintons?

:evilgrin:

[jenmito]

17. If the title fits!

:D

[4themind]

8. If he ain't lyin', he ain't tryin

but in all seriousness, they should know that the press is going to be hanging on to their every word now, looking for slip ups. Things like this don't help their cause imo.

[jenmito]

11. Maybe he's a sociopath?

Really-what else explains it?

[AllentownJake]

27. He used to get away with it

I don't think he's a sociopath. I just think he got away with it so much when he was a govenor and President that he does it out of habbit.

[jenmito]

29. He got impeached for lying! Ya think that MIGHT have slowed him down...

but I guess you can't teach the Big Dawg new tricks.

[AllentownJake]

32. In his mind he got away with it

Nevermind the damage it did to the party, his final two years in office and Al Gore...he stayed in office. At the end of the day the Clinton supporters view Impeachment as a win.

[jenmito]

34. Yeah...

I guess you're right!

[mitchum]

31. He is certainly a narcissist and possibly a sociopath

[roguevalley]

36. he just wants to make the square peg fit the round hole. he did a

stupid thing. he has now revived and kept in the cycle the bosnia shit. way to go, bill.

[jenmito]

38. I agree...

Just like when Hillary brought it up on Jay Leno's show.

[ORDem]

58. LOL.

:rofl:

[Cha]

12. Like bil clinton is going to tell the truth and

call his wife, hilary, an inveterate LIAR on tv? Maybe, when they're alone..

"Why Hillary’s Lies are Important"

- March 24, 2008, 9:53PM
Hillary Clinton has been caught in a series of lies and misrepresentations during the primary campaign. To some of her supporters, these lies may seem trivial and insignificant and even politics-as-usual. However, please consider the serious impact of these lies by placing them in the context of the past seven years of the Bush Administration and the legacy of expanded executive power that he leaves behind. In particular, consider the dangerous message that the Clinton campaign sends by employing similar tactics to achieve her political goals.

1. The Florida and Michigan Primaries / The Delegate Count
Hillary agreed to honor the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates after their primaries were moved up into January in express violation of the DNC rules. She did not change her position on the validity of these primaries until she found herself unexpectedly behind in the delegate count and desperately needed to claim the delegates that she had won in these unsanctioned contests. As her chances of winning the nomination became increasingly slim in recent weeks, we have been presented with threatening and desperate lines of reasoning for why these primary results should count as is. At the same time, Clinton and her surrogates continue to propose different metrics for determining who should win the nomination even though there is and has been a clearly defined process in place for several decades.

Please think about the implications of changing election rules after the fact. We have suffered through at least one stolen presidential election and the manipulation of untold numbers of Congressional and state elections through various vote tampering and voter intimidation schemes used by the Republicans and their allies. The American people (and especially Democratic voters) have lost faith in the integrity of the election process. The Clinton strategy to continually change the rules for determining the Democratic Party nominee sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to increasingly un-Democratic elections in the future if it is allowed to succeed. If anything, we need more transparency and methods of accountability in our elections in order to repair the damage done in recent years and to restore our confidence in the Government.

2. The Bosnia Fabrication / Exaggerated Experience Claims
Hillary fabricated a story about a dangerous, life-risking visit to Bosnia in order to gain stature as an experienced negotiator in international conflicts and war. While this type of embellishment can seem almost comical, it represents a willingness to distort reality in order to influence the public perception. This is the same type of distortion that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, although the magnitude of the lie is certainly on a different scale. The Bush administration falsified reports, cherry-picked intelligence, used unreliable sources, and employed fear-mongering tactics to convince the American public that our safety was at risk and as such, you were either with us or with the terrorists. The lies used by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are impeachable offenses and should be condemned by all Americans. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seems to have shown a shocking willingness to employ the same tactics to create a more favorable reality and to rely on divide-and-conquer rhetoric to weaken opposition. Her attempts to frighten the American people by conjuring up 3 AM phone calls are bad enough, but her vote of confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama should be seen as treason against the Democratic Party.

3. NAFTA
Hillary lied about her position on NAFTA and used her lies in a calculated way to influence the Ohio primary. Recently released White House documents confirm that Hillary had been an active proponent of NAFTA prior to its passage, and she has continued to support it publicly in her speeches and memoir. However, while campaigning in Ohio, she claimed to have been privately against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency and believes that it should be rewritten to protect American jobs and workers. This type of maneuvering is reminiscent of the behind-closed-doors policy-making that the Bush administration has used during the past seven years. Specifically, Bush and Cheney have made policy decisions without providing transparency to Congress or the public, and President Bush has repeatedly ignored the rule of law by issuing signing statements and disregarding the parts of the laws that he doesn’t agree with. If we cannot trust Hillary to be truthful about her positions on critical legislative issues now, how can we trust that she will be truthful as president?

These are just three examples that illustrate the concerns we should have with a candidate who demonstrates a sense of entitlement to the nomination and is willing to lie, misrepresent, threaten, and divide in order to obtain the nomination. President Bush and the neoconservative movement have greatly harmed this country by the creation of an imperial-like presidency. This election is not just about whether a Democrat or Republican wins but if the checks and balances are restored to the three branches of government. The framers of the Constitution were in such fear of an imperial president that mechanisms for impeachment are prominently and explicitly included in the Constitution. If Hillary Clinton is willing to use lies and deceit to win the Democratic nomination, what assurances do we have that she will not continue to use them once she is president?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/why-h ...

<snip>

"Her response to being caught lying to a military audience, when she invented a story about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, was to say it wasn't surprising she got some things wrong, seeing how she spoke millions of words every day. What a magnificent idea, that if you say lots of words some of them are bound to be fantastic lies. So if you listen carefully to horse-racing commentators they say things like "And it's Teddy's Boy still leading three furlongs out as they come up to the fourth last fence with Nip and Tuck two lengths behind by the way I fought a tiger once, punched it clean out and they're all safely over."

<lots more>
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/opinion/article3 ...

"It's not that lying to pad the resume, avoid Indictment or to advance her political fortune is anything new for Hillary Clinton. She famously said she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary (debunked); she told New Yorkers she was a Yankee fan when she lived in Chicago (debunked); she told rural New Yorkers that she was a "duck hunter" (debunked); she claimed that her daughter Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center at the time of the 9/11 attack (debunked by Chelsea herself.) And, those subpoenaed Rose Law billing records just happened to show up one day on a hallway table in the most monitored home in America!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[jenmito]

16. Thanks for those links...

lots of lies there! They should be pointed out constantly!

[Cha]

22. That's what I'm trying to do..and they lie so

much it gets exhausting trying to keep up with pointing them out! :(

[jenmito]

24. Well, you're doing a good job...

maybe you should send all that to MSNBC and CNN!

[Cha]

57. You're the sender..and you watch those

shows..maybe you could, Please? That's a great idea.

Here's another link on hilary's Iraqi War Lies..

"Debunking the latest Hillary lie: She started criticizing the war before Obama did.
Edited on Sat Apr-05-08 10:49 PM by NJSecularist
I know, I know, we've all lost track at the amount of lies she's told. But this one takes the cake.

Let's rewind back to April 21st, 2004:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary /


HILLARY: NO REGRET ON IRAQ VOTE

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she is not sorry she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq despite the recent problems there but she does regret "the way the president used the authority."

"How could they have been so poorly prepared for the aftermath of the toppling of Saddam Hussein?" the New York Democrat asked Tuesday night on CNN's "Larry King Live."

"I don't understand how they had such an unrealistic view of what was going to happen."

April has become the deadliest month for U.S. forces in Iraq since the war began more than a year ago. The U.S.-led coalition faces insurrections on several fronts, including the Sunni Muslim stronghold of Fallujah, west of Baghdad, and the militia of a Shiite Muslim cleric in Najaf in the south.

To the disappointment of some antiwar liberals in her Democratic base, Clinton, the former first lady, voted in favor of the Iraq war resolution in October 2002.

"Obviously, I've thought about that a lot in the months since," she said. "No, I don't regret giving the president authority because at the time it was in the context of weapons of mass destruction, grave threats to the United States, and clearly, Saddam Hussein had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade."



Let's fast forward to June 14, 2006.
http://www2.nysun.com/article/34404


Senator Clinton was met with loud booing, hissing, and protest chants during a speech at a conference of left-leaning Democrats yesterday when she repeated her view that American troops should stay the course in Iraq.

Mrs. Clinton called the Iraq war a "grotesque mistake" before adding "but we cannot bring the troops home until they make sure Iraq has a unified government," a comment that set off a round of raucous booing from all parts of the hall where the Washington conference of Campaign for America's Future, mostly made up of Democrats, was held.

"I do not think it is a smart strategy, either, for the president to continue with his open-ended commitment, which I think does not put enough pressure on the new Iraqi government," said Mrs. Clinton, as protesters stood up and began chanting "Bring the troops home, bring the troops home."

"Nor do I think it is smart strategy to set a date certain. I do not agree that that is in the best interests," she said. While some applauded Mrs. Clinton as she left the stage, a group of several dozen continued booing her until she had left the hall.


The trend of events are very clear. She supported the war until it was political suicide for a Democrat who wanted to win the Democratic nomination to do so."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5401107

[jenmito]

64. Hey, zidzi, I will...

but things like that don't get read on the air. LOTS of people need to send these things to bring them to the attention of the people who put these stories on the air. I will be one person who will do this, but if I'm the only one, nobody will take it seriously enough to cover it. If there's high demand, it will more likely be reported! :hi:

[City Lights]

13. Was he doin' the finger wag too? eom

[jenmito]

19. No-he was acting like he was in a good mood, ridiculing the way his wife was "wrongly portrayed"

in the media. :shrug:

[zulchzulu]

15. References to all the times she lied about the Sniper story...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5348113

[jenmito]

25. Thanks, zulchzulu!

Lots of proof there! :hi:

[madrchsod]

18. Evansville IN ?

can`t find Boonevillle, IN

[jenmito]

20. Dan Said Booneville. Maybe he got it wrong. n/t

[hoosierhick]

30. Yep, Bill was in Booneville, Jasper and Vincennes IN today, eom

[jenmito]

37. Thanks. n/t

[Hepburn]

21. Hi, Jen! K&R

Unreal on what Bill Clinton said ~~ this is the age of the internet. Does the think that here are not clips of her saying this several times? Like about four???

Unreal...:eyes:

[jenmito]

23. Hey, Hepburn!

Thanks! :hi: It's like they really BELIEVE what they say!

[Hepburn]

Scary....

...it's like a giant disconnect, IMO.

[jenmito]

41. I know...

I just worry about what they'll try to do to Obama!

[AllentownJake]

26. Poor Bill

Sigh,

He was in office in an era when video footage was only a few keystrokes away and you could get away with re-writing history a month or two after it happened. In order to do the gotcha they needed guys locked in a room with tons of video tapes and the networks were the only people who could afford to do it and they rarely did it. He just doesn't know any better.

Still a pretty damn good President though.

[jenmito]

33. I don't believe he is not up on technology like that.

Afterall-his VP invented the internet! :D (j/k)

[AllentownJake]

35. I read somewhere

That when he was in office he still had a typewriter to write.

[jenmito]

39. I can believe it...

but he MUST know about the internets. :D

[stillcool]

28. It's not lying..

it's 'mis-remembering'.

[jenmito]

40. Nah-

it's definitely lying about lying.

[RBInMaine]

42. THE LIAR TWINS: SLICK WILLIE AND SLICK HILLY

[jenmito]

46. Sad but true. But I think people are finally catching on to all their lies.

I fear they'll take down the Dem. party, though, with them.

[Barack_America]

43. He didn't lie, reality failed to conform to his truth...

Reality is inherently anti-Clinton and sexist.

[jenmito]

48. Well put...

:hi:

[Duder]

44. Maybe Bill's seen the recent video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc

(mild graphic warning).

[jenmito]

50. Maybe that IS their reality!

They should be psychologically examined.

[Frank Booth]

45. I guess he figures he and Hillary get called on 1 out of every 100 lies

so there's no point in telling the truth. This'll blow over just like almost all the others did.

[jenmito]

51. I wish the lies they ARE caught in would get more coverage!

:hi:

[nebula]

47. Once a sleaze

always a sleaze.

[Zachstar]

49. Bill Clinton making speeches in my view is now costing Hillary support

She needs to ask him to stop for now. As this is twice recently that he has gotten negative news towards Hillary.

[jenmito]

52. Wow-not ONE response from Hillary supporters!

Who woulda thunk it?

[Frank Booth]

54. Yep. They're pretty good at avoiding Pro-Obama threads.

But if an anti-Obama poster (especially a certain ex-president, who seems to now be getting his ideas from a few former posters) starts a thread they'll kick it every chance they get. That explains why this board is constantly inundated with "Obama hates white people," "White people hate Obama," "Obama is destroying America" or whatever the flavor of the day is threads.

[jenmito]

53. kick for ANY Hillary supporter to excuse Bill's statement.

[tammywammy]

55. That's just pathetic, really just pathetic

[Lucky 13]

56. I'm looking for any possible way this isn't the Clintons fault. I have a conspiracy theory.

Mark Penn is holding the Clintons hostage to the campaign. And all these lies are like the Clintons blinking morse code to us over the airwaves. We know Penn has the motive to drag this thing out. About 100,000 of them. Daily. Why cut that money stream off now? He can ride this sucker all the way to August.

Consider...

The Clintons are lying about things that don't even matter. Lying about things they'd be better off letting go. It does not make sense. They MUST understand the concept of video recordings. They MUST understand that through the wonders of the internets we have access to nearly every piece of video footage since they left Arkansas. They MUST understand that people are paying attention to a PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. They MUST understand that people want to take them down an would use any slip-up against them. So WHY do they continually LIE when they don't have to? And WHY do they do it when they KNOW they will be caught?


Sigh. If it isn't Penn holding them hostage and they aren't using lies as morse code, then I am left with stark reality:

The lying is either 1)unintentional OR 2)intentional.

If it's unintentional. Something is seriously wrong.

If it's unintentional we must consider the possibility of some sort of group think psychosis going on. Or maybe they are just isolating her from criticisms or voices of reason. She is buffered for the most part. It's not like she cruises GDP. I bet she's so fucking tired right now. Her life is: sleeps, wakes, eats, stumps, sleeps, wakes, ad nauseum. All the while, Penn keeps whispering in her ear, "The new polls are in! And you're up! You can't quit now! Look at all your supporters... they are DEPENDING on you to keep going." Then there's the Pot Bangers party tomorrow. That's not helping anyone and it's making Hillary and all those people look downright FOOLISH.

If it's intentional. Something is also seriously seriously wrong.

If it's intentional, they must seriously be the BIGGEST and MOST UNCONVINCING LIARS in the whole world. They don't live by the same rules as the rest of us. They remind me of the 4 year old that lies about stealing the chocolate as they are still licking if off their fingers. But they aren't 4. One of them was leader of the free world and the other one wants to be. This type of behavior is unacceptable. From anyone. Ever. And DO NOT SAY TO ME, "Every politician lies." No I'm sorry, when you catch ANYONE LYING THIS BLATANTLY THIS MANY TIMES, it is a PROBLEM.


So that's it. There are only 3 possible explainations:
1) Mark Penn is holding them hostage.
2) They truly are suffering from some sort of mental disorder. They are good people but just deeply confused and messed up right now.
3) They are sociopaths and pathological liars.

:scared:

So which is it?

[jenmito]

65. Good post. I think the answer is #3...

It's the only real explanation.

[AtomicKitten]

59. As Democrats we ignored this shit before -- NO MORE!!!!

The Clintons are pathologic. They lie right to your face. The triangulate and parse and just flat-out bullshit. They have run this campaign with incompetence and hubris, in a very creepy way just like Junior who has run this country into a ditch. Enough!

[kdpeters]

60. Technically, that was bullshit, not lying.

The truth is important in a lie crafted deliberately to conceal it.
He has no clue what the truth is and it's unimportant. He's just trying to say some shit that sounds reasonable. That's bullshit.

Does he ever stop lying? Only when he's bullshitting.

[Vinca]

61. But, but, but - I've seen clips of her telling the story at least 3 times. nt

[jenmito]

63. I disagree. He knew very well what the truth is.

There was video of her repeating the lie msny times.

[K Gardner]

62. That's the video I just saw ! They're running the part this morning

where he talks about "the other campaign running an ad saying "vote for me I don't steal cars". Wow. maybe the vid will be on You Tube today. It was rather bizarre.

[jenmito]

66. Yes! They were playing clips of Bill Clinton all morning on Morning Joe today!

Then the Clinton camp put out a statements saying they appreciate Bill defending her, but it was Hillary's "mistake" and she takes responsibility for it. :eyes: