Perhaps Bill doesn't want HIll to become president? (armchair psychologists, step in)

[npincus]

With his intellect and political skills, I can find no resealable explanation for the debunk-able confabulation be repeated TWICE to audiences in Pa. yesterday. Does anyone out there think that he may not really want her to become president? I don't think he is aware of it, but his destructive action, reviving a very damaging episode that had passed, is quite odd and seems to reflect a possible intent on his part.

Armchair psychologists?

[dkf]

1. Maybe he's the one with the sleep deprivation and the lack of memory.

But seriously, I don't think this is unique to Hillary's Presidential run...rather it is something that runs deep inside him. Maybe its an inability to admit fault and a need to win at all costs even if he needs to tell untruths in order to do so.

[babylonsister]

5. Ask yourself; who in recent (political) memory sounds just like that?

:scared:

[dkf]

9. Hillary?

Yeah, Bill, Hillary, Bush. No wonder people think politicians lie all the time.

[C_U_L8R]

2. It's all about him

that's my unqualified diagnosis

[WinkyDink]

3. I've thought this for a while. He's no dummy, re: campaigning. But the (sub-conscious) thought that

his wife might become not only President, but also potentially a BETTER one?
Oh, yeah; there's some psychology goin' on there.

Just as with Bush pere et fils.

[Coexist]

13. wow - you read my mind.

[sallyseven]

24. You may be right

Some of the stuff he has said made my teeth grind. I hope not. It would be an awful slap after she stood by him in his hour of need.

[sallyseven]

25. You may be right

Some of the stuff he has said made my teeth grind. I hope not. It would be an awful slap after she stood by him in his hour of need.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

4. I just wrote this on...

Another thread and willr repeat it here:

"A few of us mentioned (he might be undermining his wife) here back around South Carolina and his multiple foot-in-mouth episodes. I do think he has a subconcious desire to undermine her candidacy.

Bill Clinton is a classic Leo -- King of all His domain, top dog, the one who gets all the attention and who basks in it. Along comes his wife who threatens to overshadow him not only in their daily life, but in the history books -- Bill Clinton will become simply "Mr. Hillary Clinton", the husband of the first female President of the United States. Through many of his more suspect actions on her behalf, he has managed to make the story once more about HIM and not her -- because bad attention is better than no attention at all.

I said after South Carolina that I have no doubt that, if Hillary were elected President, Bill would find someway -- probably through an affair -- to make it all about him again and further undermine his wife."

I can see no other logical explaination for what he has done to her campaign.

[npincus]

6. as the Chimp might put it "that there's some good psychologizing"

I agree w/you.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

16. Why thank you!

I guess all those years of therapy have paid off after all. :D

[hedgehog]

11. I think this quote deserves its own post:

I said after South Carolina that I have no doubt that, if Hillary were elected President, Bill would find someway -- probably through an affair -- to make it all about him again and further undermine his wife."


The only caveat I would add is that nowadays Bill's unsavory associates tend to be corrupt foreign governments.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

15. An affair would be the obvious...

given his history, but I have absolutely no doubt that something big would blow up -- see my other post about him being an untreated child of an alcoholic.

[Eurobabe]

17. Interesting because Obama is a Leo too

But he and Bill Clinton couldn't be more different.

It's all about Bill. Even now. I wonder if he thinks that should Hillary become the first woman president, and she is better than him, he becomes irrelevant.

[sallyseven]

26. You may be wrong.

I think that Obama is a true Leo.

[BklynChick]

7. this theory has been floating around a while, i would say it's plausible, although not conscious on

Bill's part

[grantcart]

8. money money money

[marshall]

10. I used to think he was subconsciously undermining her

He is very intelligent, but he has major emotional problems, in my opinion. It would make sense that he says he wants her to be president while subconsciously he works to undermine her. But he is ruining his own credibility and reputation, which I know is very important to him. I don't see how he can reclaim his reputation after this fiasco. The only hope he has is to shoehorn her into the White House. This is really the last hurrah for both of them, it all hinges on her getting the nomination--or at least keeping Obama from getting the presidency.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

14. He is an untreated child of...

an alcoholic, and even though he doesn't drink excessively himself, he still plays out the emotional aspects of addiction. Time and again he has engaged in non-alcohol related bad behavior that almost destroys him and his marriage and, time and again, his spouse (and later the country) has had to deal with the fallout. She/we make excuses for him, forgive him, and act surprised when it happenes again.

He displays classic addition behavior and Hillary/we display classic enabler behavior.

[Eurobabe]

18. Yep.

Which is why I think the two of them are too highly dysfunctional to be back in the White House. :hi:

[AX10]

12. Perhaps he is concerned that she would overshadow his tenure?

If so, that is fine with me. I would like to see her be an even better President than her husband was.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5455734#5455886

[burythehatchet]

19. I've said that from his first days campaigning. He does not want her to win

and he will divorce her when she finally goes home.

[newmajority]

20. Maybe Bill doesn't want to be the first male "first lady"??

Even Bill's biggest fans have to admit that he's got a massive male ego, which probably had a lot to do with his er.... "extra curricular activities". While being back in the White House probably appeals to him, the context of a role which has been "female" traditionally, maybe not so much?

And I'm not saying he's the only man who would feel that way about it. Just happens to be the first who (at least at one time) had a realistic chance of being there in that capacity.

[NYDem Observer]

21. I definitely think the OP is onto something here

I don't think Bill Clinton's ego would be able to handle a Hillary Clinton presidency.

[karynnj]

22. I think he does want Hillary to win so badly that he does things that end up hurting

Look at what worked for Clinton in the 1990s. He was hit in the primaries and then later in the general election with many problems from his past and present and they were usually met by denying the story, lying, changing the lie, scapegoating the accuser, then biting his lip and agreeing to part of it. Although parts of her story were possibly not true, she had enough reason to think she couldn't trust him that she taped him and he clearly encouraged her to lie to reporters. Enough voters in both the primary and general elections didn't consider this a problem. So, that behavior was rewarded.

Consider his honesty as President. On all charges, he followed that same pattern - even when under oath - where he twisted the English language to avoid just telling the truth. He only told the truth when it was known there was physical evidence he couldn't beat. This may have been the only time where there were consequences to not telling the truth. Internally, he obviously thinks he's believable when he lies, because he always was. Part of the difference was that he was more charming then - now, charismatic as he can be, he is not as charming and the flaws show through.

It's also a change in time. In 2004, John Kerry often spoke of the fact that we needed a President who would tell the truth all the time - and I for one, saw in his look and voice that he would. John Edwards said that this year. The stakes of lying on really important things - as the Bush people have done - has made it progressively a negative to be seen as lying. What was forgivable in 1992 - isn't in 2008.

[Tresalisa]

23. I don't know whether President Clinton is using

sab-o-tah-gee or not, but I find it curious that he would bring the Bosnia story up again when it seemed to be fading away. :shrug:

I still feel he genuinely wants Hillary to be president, but this is quite curious...

[meow mix]

27. Ricky and Lucy

thats all im sayin
:hide:

[stahbrett]

28. If she had become President, his dalliances would have been more difficult to schedule

Think about it... right now, he jets off giving speeches all over the place, etc. As first spouse, he would be less available to do that.

[SeaLyons]

29. What's Up with Michelle

...not proud of her country????? Why does she say things like that? What's up with the chip on her shoulder?