BOMBSHELL: Bill Revises History for Hillary (do they think no one is paying attention?)

[berni_mccoy]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/bill-clinton-re.html

April 10, 2008 7:10 PM

ABC News' Sarah Amos and Eloise Harper Report: President Clinton, speaking in Boonville, Ind., revised history when he recounted his wife's recent flap discussing a trip she took to Bosnia in 1996. President Clinton's version had several inaccuracies and was slightly misleading.

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President Clinton's described his wife's experience, saying, "There was a lot of fulminating because Hillary, one time late at night when she was exhausted, misstated and immediately apologized for it..."
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Hillary Clinton actually made the exaggerated comments numerous times, including at an event in Dubuque, Iowa on Dec. 29th, in Waco, TX on Feb. 29th, and twice -- bright and early in the morning -- on March 17.

Sen. Clinton did not apologize, as Mr. Clinton asserted. His wife did say she had made a mistake and said that she had misspoken when describing the Bosnia incident.

Sen. Clinton also wasn't as quick with her apology as President Clinton may remember either. In fact, it took a week for her to eventually correct herself, first talking to the Philadelphia Inquirer editorial board on March 24 and again the following day in Greensboro, N.C.

President Clinton also indicated that his wife's trip took place in 1996 – when it fact it took place in 1995.

President Clinton then later in the evening told the story again in Jasper, Ind., saying the press was treating his wife like the Mata Hari. "She took a terrible beating in the press for a few days because she was exhausted at 11 o'clock at night and she started talking about Bosnia and she misstated the circumstances under which she landed in Bosnia. Did you all see all that? And oh, they acted like she was practically Mata Hari - like she was making up all this stuff."

The Clintons are simply incapable of telling the truth. I wonder if it was Mark Penn's $100,000 per-day advice that told Bill to bring this topic up again. Both Bill and Hillary appear to be pathological liars and you can not believe anything they say anymore. Not about trade deals, health care, or the war in Iraq. She simply isn't credible.

[C_U_L8R]

1. A lie about lie doesn't make it any less a lie

true that.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

4. And if anyone should know

it is the BigDog

[grantcart]

2. Did Bill think that they didn't have microphones in Puerto Rico?

[hedgehog]

I really am starting to wonder how much garbage got by in the old days

before cheap cameras and the Web made it possible to record and disseminate each and every appearance. This doesn't apply to just Bill Clinton but to every old style politician. How many of them said one thing in Smallsville and the opposite in Hole-in-the Wall as long as no network reporters were present?

[hedgehog]

3. Mata Hari was a spy of dubious ability, not a liar. nt

[berni_mccoy]

60. I wonder if that means Bill thinks Hillary is a dubious liar?

[leftyladyfrommo]

5. This stuff really bothers me.

I am an Obama fan but I have always liked Hillary, too. This kind of fabrication is disturbing to me.

[npincus]

6. not a "bombshell", just a bomb

lobbed at the heart of his wife's campaign.

What the hell was he thinking? Now the Sunday talk shows will be ruminating over this, replaying all those damaging clips. Schmuck.

[redqueen]

7. This is getting downright bizarre.

Mata Hari?

:wtf:

[CherokeeDem]

8. A Friend Just Emailed A Link to This...

I wrote him back the exact same thought..."Do they think we aren't paying attention?" I never believe that as I made my choice for whom to support that Hillary Clinton would provide lying as a reason not to support her. Naivety on my part? Probably...but I can't imagine how they thought they would get away with this lie to start with and then Bill just makes it worse by trying to explain away...again. Maybe they are just trying to deflect the other lie she told about the hospital. I simply do not understand. We aren't THAT stupid.

[grantcart]

9. can somebody find the youtube of this

[KaptBunnyPants]

10. Their diehards will believe it.

For a campaign that needs mega-landslides just to catch up, they don't seem to be appealing to the people they don't already have in their camp.

[berni_mccoy]

11. Great point... they seem like the BushAdmin... only wanting diehard supporters

in the crowd. Not really willing to face the truth or discuss issues.

[global1]

12. Deep Down Inside Bill Clinton Doesn't Want Hillary To Become President.......

this is his way of unconsciously sabotaging her chances. He's done this the whole primary season. She needs to keep him off the campaign trail for her. He is doing her more harm than good.

[Taxmyth]

13. How does this make me want to vote for Senator Obama?

The fact is, it doesn't. Stop bashing Democratic Party candidates and start promoting them. And if Senator Clinton is the nominee, which is indeed possible, this post does nothing to elect a Democratic Party candidate.

[Symarip]

14. In all seriousness, how can someone support a lie

I'll gladly pull the handle for Hillary. No question about it. But are people supposed to rally around the flag when these two are so full of shit?

This warrants discussion. Sorry.

[Taxmyth]

20. In all seriousness, you want a discussion?

Al Gore WAS instrumental in the creation of the Internet, John Kerry WAS a war hero and Hillary Clinton WAS in Bosnia where precautions against sniper fire were taken. It used to be the "lie" bullshit was only espoused by assholes on the right.

The "lie" is being used to cover up the actual experience Senator Clinton undertook as First Lady and that was flying to different troop positions in Bosnia with the intent and purpose of providing aid and comfort to US military personnel stationed there.

William Jefferson Clinton was one of the greatest Democratic Party candidates this nation has ever had.

You want to discuss right wing talking points then take it over to one of those right wing sites where it belongs. The rest of us are intent on electing a Democratic Party candidate.

[Symarip]

30. Taxmyth, come on

Look, maybe you've never been shot at. I have. You don't 'kind of remember' that moment. So that leaves me with two ways of looking at this: either, a. Clinton lied (most likely), or b. she's dillusional. Given what's left, I'd like to think that she lied because if she's dillusional I'd be less apt to vote for her if she wins the primary.

"I remember landing under sniper fire," she recalled. She and her retinue were then sent "running with our heads down to our vehicles."

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/03/17/clinton_speech/

This is not a tale of precautions and safety standards followed. She went out of her way, 4 times, to puff her chest about how harrowing her Tulza trip was. It was a political move, and a lie, that backfired.

That being said, now we have Bill out on the stump trying to lie about her lie. Part of me often wonders why they can't just come out and admit they fucked up, ever. But they don't. Instead, Bill is now obfuscating and rationalizing her bullshit story. Which is sad because I think that if they deployed different tactics (maybe ignoring it or fessing up to it), we might be talking about something else.

What's bothersome is that her trip to Bosnia is a great story. She was a great first lady. And Bill was a good president. I can't argue with you there. But I can't ignore when a lie is a lie. And let's face it, the Clintons are no stranger to letting one fly every now and again.

I ask though, that you not compare me to a Right Wing thug next time you feel like responding to me, or anyone else, really. I've never done that to anyone on here, and I certainly respect your opinion so if you don't mind, please don't lump me with those I despise most in the political spectrum.

Thanks.

[Taxmyth]

35. Un Fucking REAL

Just how does this help elect a Democratic Party candidate? It doesn't. I could explain to you why this is not a "lie" but it would serve no purpose. I could pull up all kinds of bullshit supporting the meme that Al Gore lied about inventing the Internet or that John Kerry was not a war hero during Viet Nam just like you're doing here with Senator Clinton. That shit belongs on the RW message boards where they are trying to defeat Democratic Party candidates not on boards that are trying to elect them.

This isn't a discussion on policy differences it is simply an attack on a Democratic Party candidate.

[Symarip]

38. Right. Ok. I gotcha.

Any real concern I have or other Democrats harbor is just mindless Right Wing slander. Gotcha. Great conversation.

Go on and do what you do. I'm done.

[Taxmyth]

40. Your uh, concern is noted

Work to elect Democratic Party candidates and don't work to defeat them. Only point I'm trying to make.

[GarbagemanLB]

15. I'm sure you post this outrage in every Obama-bashing thread as well?

[Taxmyth]

22. Senator Obama should have his own supporters to do that

If and when Senator Obama is the nominee then I will happily join the fray in defending him against unwarranted attacks and I could use some good material to counter the bullshit.

[Kool Kitty]

66. Well, that doesn't seem to make sense.

Hillary is not the nominee, but you seem to want to refute every real or imagined slight to her. If you are really all about defending the Democratic candidates, I would think you would defend them both. One of the reasons that people are surprised at President Clinton's speech is that the controversy over the remark seemed to have receded. His words, his misstatements are what is stirring this up again.

[berni_mccoy]

16. Good God man, if your person can't stand up to the truth, then how can you support her?

She would be another Bush, getting by on lies and deceit.

[Taxmyth]

24. Oh so the way it works is that if a person doesn't vote for Senator Clinton

because of something in a bullshit attack then they will automatically vote for Senator Obama? Real life don't work that way.

[berni_mccoy]

26. Dude, if you think Clinton being exposed telling a MAJOR LIE is a bullshit attack, then...

there is absolutely no hope for you. No wonder you don't like the message of Hope and Change.

[Taxmyth]

31. Dude

if you think attacking a Democratic Party candidate is the way to get one elected then there is absolutely no hope for you. That is not Hope and Change, that is politics as usual for the GOP.

[berni_mccoy]

42. You're a broken record with a needle digging at your core.

[Taxmyth]

46. Why

Because I want to see a Democratic Party candidate in the White House and a substantial majority in Congress? Then fine, I'm a broken record because that's what I keep repeating.

[Justitia]

39. Wow, it looks like it's not only the BFEE that has it's own braindead 30%ers....

I guess Cognitive Dissonance has no partisan boundaries, huh?

Give it up w/these people. They are just as lost to reason / rationality as their corresponding percentages on the other side of the aisle.

:crazy:

[Taxmyth]

45. Went through this same shit in 2000 and 2004

And both times it cost the Democratic Party the Presidency. You want to keep it going, I don't. Only point I'm trying to make. "These people" are the very same people needed to elect a Democratic Party President and Congress.

[Justitia]

47. Acting like this is just some silly media smear does NOT help Our Party in the long run.

And by long run, I mean November.

I know this is a bit close at the moment, but step back and see how if this course is not corrected (and quick) it hurts ALL Dems in November, including all the down ballot ones.

You can't change course if you don't recognize you are on the wrong path.

Bill needs to rein it in, Hillary needs to take responsible charge of her own campaign and they BOTH need to re-examine their relationship with truth-telling.

[Taxmyth]

51. It IS a silly media smear

and failure to recognize GOP smear tactics and counter them does NOT help our Party in the long run.

[Justitia]

54. Getting caught repeatedly in bald-faced lies is not a "smear". It needs to stop. -eom

[catgirl]

17. Then don't.

Care to comment on the post? The one where Bill adds lies to the sniper story?
This thread isn't about Obama. It's about Bill Clinton's lies to his audiences.

[Taxmyth]

25. Bill Clinton was one of the finest Presidents the United States has ever enjoyed

and he is no longer running for any office. The post is a bullshit attack on a Democratic Party candidate that IS running for President and does nothing to encourage a vote for another Democratic candidate. That kind of bullshit is traditionally found on RW message boards.

[yellowcanine]

27. Well yes but he is no Jimmy Carter as ex president.

[Taxmyth]

36. Jimmy Carter has proven himself to be an outstanding American

His Presidency was marred by a variety of factors and is seen by some as unsuccessful (not me) but his works as a former President deserves him nothing but praise and thanks.

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. Is it honestly okay with you that the Clintons are making this shit up?

Tell the truth :)

[Taxmyth]

28. Is it honestly OK that you are doing your best to defeat a Democratic Party candidate?

While doing nothing to support the candidacy of another one? That is called making shit up and is best left for the RW boards where it belongs.

[Buzz Clik]

34. Let's chop your title a tad: "Is it honest..." That's the key -- honesty.

I'm saturated with politicians lying to me. Through.

[anigbrowl]

37. The only person making shit up here is Bill Clinton. why, I don't know.

The whole Bosnia thing was little more than a joke and an eye-roller until Hillary Clinton told it as the opening of her speech on foreign policy at George Washington university a few weeks ago. It was not some off-the-cuff remark; it got examined seriously because she offered up the story in a serious context, from prepared remarks. And it certainly wasn't 11 at night - more like 11 in the morning.

[Taxmyth]

48. And this makes me want to vote for Senator Obama why

It doesn't, it is designed ONLY to vote against a Democratic Party candidate. It's a ridiculous political strategy if used by Democratic Party supporters and a divisive tactic if used by Republican Party supporters. What is your purpose?

[AllentownJake]

52. Have you voted in a Primary yet?

Just curious.

[krkaufman]

64. Exactly! From *PREPARED REMARKS*.

The ABC "journo" missed that major lie/obfuscation on the part of The Great Dissembler. And, as you say, these final, most egregious comments were made from prepared remarks on foreign policy on the morning of St. Patrick's Day (hard to get that wrong, given her scarf).

I only hope this causes some of the news organizations to replay Hillary's puffery a few more times. pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

[Justitia]

41. This is just soooo rich coming from a Clinton Machine supporter.

After all the hectoring from Bill about how politics ain't beanbag, if you can't take the heat, blah, blah, blah.

Are you missing the irony gene?

[Taxmyth]

49. I'm missing a Democratic Party candidate in the White House

and a substantial majority of Democratic Party Congressmen and Senators. You want ironic? This type of strategy is what cost the Democratic Party the White House in 2000 and 2004.

[Justitia]

50. Then don't shoot yourself in the foot by defending things that don't deserve defending!

Call it what it is, call for correction and hold your candidate responsible for change.

Defending the indefensible only leads to impeachment - remember that?

Let's nip this in the bud a little earlier - m'kay?

[Taxmyth]

56. I call it Senator Clinton not remembering exactly what happened 12 years ago

She never said she HEARD sniper fire or SAW sniper fire which would be an outright lie and worthy of the indignation shown and why I have to keep repeating this simple truth to supposedly Democratic Party supporters is beyone me.

Not defending the defensible only leads to GOP Presidents - remember that?

Let's nip this in the bud a little earlier - m'kay?

[Justitia]

58. Hey, I give HER props for her stmt of TODAY - the one where she says it was her mistake & she's

responsible for it. Period. Case closed. Now, THAT I can respect. And it was smart (finally!).

But, this thread is about BILL and his ridiculous attempt to re-write this whole episode - again - and thereby dragging it all back up to the forefront again - DUMB. And dishonest.

But hey, now I've been acquainted with his other outrageous stmt today (about Obama "stealing cars") and that little bon-mot makes this little episode look positively charming in comparison.

That is some nasty crap, and I'm begging you to NOT defend it - please!
Bill needs to be schooled and stuffed in a closet and enabling him helps nobody.

[Kool Kitty]

67. Bill Clinton (who is still a Democrat, I believe) is the

one that brought this all up again. You are concerned about this getting dragged out again? Talk to Bill, he not only brought it up, unbidden, in a speech-he was even wrong about the context. She didn't tell that story ONCE at 11pm when she was exhausted. She told it again and again. and it was settling down, and he spoke about it again. So, if you have a problem with it, take it up with your candidate's husband. This isn't right-wing spin. This is a lie on top of a lie.

[proud2BlibKansan]

57. WTF? Just WHO is making shit up?

And if you think the right will just ignore her fabrications, then you are not thinking.

[CherokeeDem]

19. Good Point on the GE

I think we all get so caught up in the minutia of the moment that we keep forgetting...one of these candidates is going to be our nominee...we cannot lose sight of the ultimate goal. That said, still very uncomfortable with Hillary's tactics in this primary. But, I will vote for her in the GE if she's the one but won't be happy about it, sort of like voting for Kerry all over again, except Kerry didn't lie just wimped out. This is very very difficult...I don't like having to settle for someone who can tell a lie so easily.

[MyNameGoesHere]

21. Wow you are right, she didn't go down on bended knee

and face the statue of Lord Obama and beg forgiveness. That is a bombshell.... Well maybe a tiny fire cracker.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

23. "exaggerated comments" ?? No, these are flat out lies

the video is the evidence.

I could see a 4 year old child getting this wrong, since children live
in a fantasy world, but Hillary is about 60 years old.

Its called LIES.

[berni_mccoy]

29. ABC is being over polite... they are being overly conservative with their words. You are right.

[BlueIdaho]

32. What the fuck has happened to this guy?

I used to think he was the smartest man ever to be president - now he's just a bumbling thug that "mis-remembers" things in public - with cameras rolling.

[Buzz Clik]

33. Good question. He had the chance to be held in the highest esteem by all Democrats.

He chose this path instead.

I've always expected to support and campaign for his wife, but the fondness for hyperbole, extrapolation, and exaggeration is quite a surprise.

[grantcart]

63. maybe its on purpose

[berni_mccoy]

43. Fall from grace. No wonder Gore didn't want him in his campaign.

[Justitia]

44. IMO, he's totally losing his shit. It's kind of disconcerting to watch, isn't it? -eom

[berni_mccoy]

59. Crotchety-Old-Man syndrome.

[Eurobabe]

65. I think his operation affected him

Seriously.

[Khaotic]

53. 11 O'Clock at night my ...

fucking ass.

What the hell?

What's next, a photo op of Hillary getting a prescription for Provigil to underscore her slight off-kilter awareness which attributed to her misstatement on Bosnia (all however many times it happened)?!!!



I mean fuck ... if she's that fucked up at 11 p.m., how fucking unalert is she at 3 a.m.!!!!



Watch out people, it's Sen. Hillary Clinton, it's 11 p.m. <yawn> time to make some shit up to get elected president.



I was just sleepy, sleepy ... you understand.

[berni_mccoy]

55. O.M.G. TOO FUNNY!

[berni_mccoy]

61. Kick for the dinner time crowd.

[quantass]

62. k&r