The Bundling Obama. A must read

[jasmine621]

So busy "hat'in" on Hillary many fail to see what and who is really behind Obama.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/10/AR2008041004045.html?hpid=topnews
Obama is a big fake.

[Cheap_Trick]

1. Quick! see this link...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5456472


Crash goes the glass house....:rofl:

[scheming daemons]

2. Ooops.... the OP just got owned.....

[jasmine621]

5. Ooops, yourself. I never claimed nor did Hillary a million small time donors

but Obama has. It's all makebelieve. Obama is a hypocrite. and many will soon know it.

[DarienComp]

8. From the article that you cite.

The campaign maintains that its fundraising success among average Americans has lessened its reliance on big donors. Donations of less than $200 account for nearly half of Obama's contributions, compared with a third of Clinton's and a quarter of Sen. John McCain's, according to the Campaign Finance Institute. More than 1 million people have given money to Obama's campaign.

You fail.

[sudopod]

10. So...

basically, Senator Obama could return all contributions over $200 and he still would have brought in money than Senator Clinton last month?

[scheming daemons]

14. The list is filed with the FEC.... over 1 million people have donated less than $100 to Obama...

Facts are facts.

[Mezzo]

29. That has NOTHING to do with BO, but you already knew that. nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

3. Names From ’90s Scandal Among Clinton ‘Bundlers’

Citing Lanny Davis with a bit of vomit in the back of my throat:

“The most important thing I learned about this issue is that all campaigns have the same problem, regardless of party or candidate: How do you know who has skeletons and who does not?” said Lanny Davis, who as special counsel to Bill Clinton handled campaign finance issues for him from 1996 to 1998. “Let’s face it: Campaign organizations are not ‘CSI’ — not even close — even if they’d like to be.” …

Well, if the moral ethicist (and Pakistan lobbyist) Lanny Davis says it’s okay, then it must be okay.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5456472

[Mezzo]

30. what does that have to do with Bo NOW?

It's strange how you think this answers the question form the one saying *he* is different that that.

[DarienComp]

4. ZOMG, THIS IS HUGH!!!111!1!!!one!!

27,000 rich donors out of 1.5 million total.

[Cant trust em]

6. Yet he's still better at attracting smaller donors than either of the other two

From the article.

"The campaign maintains that its fundraising success among average Americans has lessened its reliance on big donors. Donations of less than $200 account for nearly half of Obama's contributions, compared with a third of Clinton's and a quarter of Sen. John McCain's, according to the Campaign Finance Institute. More than 1 million people have given money to Obama's campaign."

[damntexdem]

7. I already know who is behind Obama --

I am!

[Mooney]

9. Yawn...

[Cant trust em]

11. Is there some evidence of wrongdoing here?

Did something illegal happen?

[jobycom]

12. Typical politics. The only thing unusual is that Obama supporters think he doesn't do this.

"A year ago, Griffin invited Obama to speak to employees of his Chicago hedge fund, Citadel Investment Group, and in subsequent months, employees and their families gave the candidate nearly $200,000. Griffin had previously backed Republicans, including Obama's initial U.S. Senate opponent."

I don't care who Obama takes money from. What I do care about is that he pretends he's better than Clinton on who he takes money from. Another case of his lack of character--he slanders her for what he does, too. Iraq, oil money, lobbyist money, the whole list.

[DarienComp]

13. Again, from the article...

Donations of less than $200 account for nearly half of Obama's contributions, compared with a third of Clinton's and a quarter of Sen. John McCain's, according to the Campaign Finance Institute. More than 1 million people have given money to Obama's campaign.

Small donations: 1/2 for Obama, 1/3 for Clinton, 1/4 for McCain.

If that's not better, what is?

[Cant trust em]

15. How many times will we have to post this?

You posted it twice. I posted it once. There's no pleasing some people.

[DarienComp]

16. I'm willing to keep posting it until November

if only to combat the lies.

[Cant trust em]

17. I guess some people think that just because you have over 1 million smaller donors

That precludes you from going for the big fish too. I work in fundraising for a non-profit. If I used that logic we'd never be able to expand our programs.

[jobycom]

19. If she got the media hype he does, she'd get the donations

He built his campaign on corporate and lobbyist money, yet he condemns Clinton for taking it. You honestly don't feel betrayed by that? See, I don't care who he gets his money from. I know enough politicians to understand how they operate. They take money from everyone, so they aren't really beholden to anyone. Yet Obama has created an illusion that he is a different type of politician, one who belongs to the people, one who doesn't owe anything to corporate America. To prove it, he condemns others for taking corporate and lobbyist money, and creating the illusion that he doesn't.

When you get to the facts, he takes money from them, too. So what's he say? His argument is that he's able to take their money but not be unduly influenced by them. Okay, fair enough, I buy that argument--as I say, I know enough politicians to know how it works. And it's exactly the same point Clinton made over and over when Obama and Edwards accused her of being under the thumb of corporations. Their response to Clinton was "If you take money from them, you are influenced by them even if you try not to be."

He talks out of both sides of his mouth. That's why I don't like him. What's he going to do when he's in office if he can talk himself into such circular logic before he even gets in the Oval Office?

I don't dislike him because I'm backing Clinton. I'm backing Clinton because I dislike him more. She was third on my list. At one point Obama was higher than her, but I saw too much of this from him.

[DarienComp]

20. So all of his small donations are due to media hype.

Gotcha.

[jobycom]

21. Not all. Just the difference between Clinton's percentage and his.

Get it yet?

[SeaLyons]

22. "Well Done is Better Than Well Said"

Excellent slogan. Thanks for your post.

:thumbsup:

[jobycom]

26. Well, I didn't make that up, I borrowed those words from someone else

You know what I'm saying. :)

[bowens43]

24. Don't try to sway them with facts

they see the world through Hillary colored glasses.

[jobycom]

27. Oh, don't worry. That wasn't what was tried.

And I don't wear glasses. Helps my vision.

[locker13]

18. why 200

the article is laughable, it seems to be premised on the idea that anybody that gives 200 or more is a a fat cat and has access to the campaign, its obvious the author choose the 200 figure to make obama look more sinister, ive given more than 200 and im a broke ass motherfuker, if they had used the number of people that have maxed out they might have a point

[bowens43]

23. A fake in what way? Be specific.

This is one of the stupidest attempts to attack Obama that I have seen so far.

You hillary crusaders are out of your minds.

[onenote]

25. the only thing that HRC's supporters have to complain about regarding Obama's fundraising

is that the folks bundling money are doing it for him, not them. They'd take this same money in half a heartbeat. And that, my friends, is something you can take to the bank.

[OneBlueSky]

28. precisely why some are not supporting either candidate . . .

they're both in the back pockets of the mega-corps, which means that chances of any substantive change happening on ANY issue are slim and none . . . whether it's the war, healthcare, energy, agriculture, infrastructure, outsourcing, or whatever, the bottom line for all of our major problems lie in the corporate need for short-term profits at the expense of everything else . . . and if the corporations are your major funding source, you're not about to kill the golden goose by pissing them off . . . and no real change is possible without pissing them off . . .