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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:25 PM
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Hillary is not losing because of sexism.
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 12:36 PM by ProSense

Elton John: sexism hurts Clinton

Posted April 10, 2008 7:16 AM

by Glenn Thrush

A bitter Sir Elton John thinks America's sexism may be sinking his friend Hillary Rodham Clinton.

John, a knighted British subject, said that gender discrimination is behind Clinton's problems in the polls as he addressed 5,000 Clinton supporters at Radio City Musical Hall last night in an event that raised $2.5 million for the cash-strapped campaign.

"I never cease to be amazed by the misogynistic attitudes of some people in this country," said John, wearing a spangled black evening coat over a vermilion silk shirt. "I say to hell with them. ... I love you, Hillary, I'll always be there for you."

John's comments echo the former first lady's remarks to National Public Radio Tuesday, when she said there was "a double standard" in media coverage of the race.

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Then you have the millions of Clinton supporters who have come to see her campaign as the literal embodiment of feminism. "Now Clinton's methodical, dogged history of work for the Democratic Party is treated just like the methodical, dogged histories of so many women in the workplace," writes syndicated columnist Marie Cocco. "She must step aside to take the smaller office, with the lesser title and the lower pay to make room for the younger guy with the thinner resume."

In the same column, Cocco concedes, "Maybe it is true that Clinton has no realistic way to win the nomination." That's quite a concession! That is, if you consider the presidency an instrument for legislation and policy change, rather than a vehicle for Hillary Clinton's self-actualization and the civic expression of the South Dakota Democratic primary electorate.

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It was Kerry and Kennedy's endorsement of Obama that in part prompted the screams of betrayal.

Hillary supporters and surrogates seem to be implying not only that Hillary is a victim, but also that she is the one uniquely qualified to address issues important to women. Wrong.

As we grapple with issues of gender and race, we have a lot of other problems to address that impact both men and women of all races:

While Hillary is campaigning on a 90-day moratorium on foreclosures, more comprehensive solutions are being passed in the Senate:

Washington, DC – The Senate today voted 84 to 12 to pass the Foreclosure Prevention Act of 2008, which included Senator John Kerry’s provisions to protect active duty service members and their families from foreclosure, and Kerry’s Mortgage Revenue Bonds proposal to give localities new tools to help keep thousands more American families in their homes.

Kerry introduced The Military Family Homes Protection Act to expand the Service Member Civil Relief Act (SCRA) which provides returning soldiers with one year relief from increases in mortgage interest rates. It will also extend the existing protections from foreclosure from 90 days to nine months after active duty service members return home. The SCRA helps members of the military and their families deal with the special financial burdens associated with serving their country.

A Kerry provision that would expand the Mortgage Revenue Bond program was also included, which would provide an additional $10 billion of tax-exempt private activity bond authority to be used to provide for the refinancing of subprime loans, mortgages for first-time homebuyers, and multifamily rental housing.

“Today’s passage of these provisions will help ensure our military families won’t lose their home to foreclosure or face skyrocketing mortgage interest rates. Combine a housing crisis with an unemployment rate for young veterans that has been as high as triple the national average and it’s clear Congress needed to act,” said Senator Kerry. “I’m also glad we succeeded in expanding the mortgage revenue bond program which will help families facing foreclosure and first-time buyers looking for a safe, fair mortgage.”

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While Hillary is calling for a Poverty Czar, Obama has passed legislation to deal with global poverty.

There is no doubt that this country has huge issues with racism and sexism. Look at the history of the United States Congress:

The 110th Congress includes the most religiously diverse House in history, including the first Muslim (Keith Ellison), the first Buddhists (Mazie Hirono and Hank Johnson), and thirty Jews. There are 42 African Americans (including two non-voting delegates) and 74 female representatives. There are also 27 Hispanics, three Asian Americans, and one Native American.

There are currently 74 women serving in the U.S. House of Representatives and 16 in the U.S. Senate.

There have been 35 women in the United States Senate since the establishment of that body in 1789, meaning that out of the 1,897 Americans <1> who have served in the United States Senate since that time, 1.85 percent of all Senators have been female.

List of female U.S. Senators

Throughout the history of the United States House of Representatives, there have been 217 women serving in that body. In 1917 Jeanette Rankin, a pacifist Republican from Montana, became the first woman in the United States Congress upon being elected to the House.

In 1965, Patsy Takemoto Mink became the first female minority to join the ranks of Congress.

In 1968, Shirley Anita St. Hill Chisholm became the first African American woman elected to Congress.

There are 6 ethnic minorities in the Senate: 3 Hispanic, 2 Asian-American and 1 African American

Since 1868, 121 African Americans have served in the United States Congress. (five in the Senate or .25% of the 1897 who have served in that body)

The Senate is 1% African American and the House is approximately 9.2% African American.

Between 1870 and 1881 there were two black Senators. More than 86 years later, and since then, three other African Americans have served in the Senate:

  • Edward William Brooke 1967-1979
  • Carol Moseley Braun 1993-1999
  • Barack Obama 2005-present
The last black congressman elected from the South in the nineteenth century was George Henry White of North Carolina, elected in 1897. His term expired in 1901, the same year that William McKinley died, the last president to have fought in the Civil War. No blacks served in Congress for the next 28 years, and none represented any southern state for the next 64 years.

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Why, after winning a seat in the Senate twice, is sexism being cited as the reason Hillary is losing the Democratic primary?

Note to Elton John: Hillary is not a victim.

MELISSA HARRIS-LACEWELL: Well, I mean, honestly, I’m appalled by the parallel that Ms. Steinem draws in the beginning part of the New York Times article. What she’s trying to do there is to make a claim towards sort of bringing in black women into a coalition around questions of gender and asking us to ignore the ways in which race and gender intersect. This is actually a standard problem of second-wave feminism, which, although there have been twenty-five years now—oh, going on forty years, actually, of African American women pushing back against this, have really failed to think about the ways in which trying to appropriate black women’s lives’ experience in that way is really offensive, actually.

And so, when Steinem suggests, for example, in that article that Obama is a lawyer married to another lawyer and to suggest that, for example, Hillary Clinton represents some kind of sort of breakthrough in questions of gender, I think that ignores an entire history in which white women have in fact been in the White House. They’ve been there as an attachment to white male patriarchal power. It’s the same way that Hillary Clinton is now making a claim towards experience. It’s not her experience. It’s her experience married to, connected to, climbing up on white male patriarchy. This is exactly the ways in which this kind of system actually silences questions of gender that are more complicated than simply sort of putting white women in positions of power and then claiming women’s issues are cared for.

Now, what I know from the work that I’ve done on the Obama campaign is that there are tens of thousands of extremely hard-working white men and women, as well as black men and women, as well as actually a huge multiracial and interethnic coalition of people working for Barack Obama. And so, for Steinem to sort of make this very clear race and gender dichotomy that she does in that New York Times op-ed piece, I think it’s the very worst of second-wave feminism.

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More on how Hillary has benefitted from the white male patriarchy:

The notion that Hillary is losing because she is a victim of misogyny is BS!



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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:30 PM
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1. Dear Glenn Thrush, yes, she is.
How wrong of women to think that a woman can address our issues.

They just flushed out a compound where 500 women and girls were being held as virtual slaves (and the existence of these compounds has been well known for many years) and yet there are those who think that women in this country are not victims. Boy, I'd like a chance to talk to Glenn Thrush, as well as those "second-wave feminists" who don't think women in this country (and worldwide) continue to be victimized.

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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:39 PM
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8. As long as crap like this situation in Texas exists, women can NEVER achieve parity with men. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:42 PM
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10. "there are those who think that women in this country are not victims" What does that have to do
with Hillary's losing campaign?

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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:10 PM
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28. Misogyny is alive and well and those so-termed "second-wave feminists"
Are blinding themselves to what's going on.

There have been multiple laws broken over the years, for example, in Colorado City, Utah, and the authorities have not gone in because they were afraid to.

Of course the women don't vote. If they do, I'm sure their husbands tell them HOW to vote. (This is one of my main objections to vote-by-mail mandates - how do you prevent compelled voting in situations like this?)

Besides, Elton John was only referring to misogynists, not issues voters, so if you are one of those, no worries!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:21 PM
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30. What does that have to do with Hillary's losing campaign? Hillary's campaign has been
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 01:22 PM by ProSense
telling superdelegates that Obama can't win because he is a black man.

We know racism exists too, but what does racism and sexism have to do with Obama winning and Hillary losing?

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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:24 PM
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31. I know plenty of people who won't vote for a woman
but will vote for Obama.

One only needs to look at the results in Idaho to see that there are people who just won't vote for a woman (I think there are probably people who won't vote for a black person either). I've voted for both, but I know lots of people who simply don't want a woman president.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:04 PM
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32. I don't.
But keep blaming the failure on her genitals. It's really working. :sarcasm:
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:15 PM
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33. There are many reasons I have chosen Hillary as my candidate
And I freely admit that the fact that she is a woman is one of them. I would be thrilled to have a woman president. And please don't hand me the story of "not this woman, but I'd vote for Barabara Boxer" which about ten other people have, because Barbara Boxer did not make the difficult choice to run.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 08:38 AM
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43. please don't hand me the story of "not this woman, but I'd vote for Barabara Boxer"
Hillary lies and her campaign is despicable. Her disqualification has nothing to do with her being a woman.

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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:56 AM
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45. Thank you
Short sweet and to the point I'm so sick of this fucking argument. She is a bad candidate and a liar, that has nothing to do with it all :eyes: Hey pro Rec
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kmsarvis Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 02:33 PM
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34. A LITTLE MATH....
ALTHOUGH I DONT KNOW FOR SURE, I THINK THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE PEOPLE ARE MORE INCLINED TO BE SEXIST THAN RACIST. HOWEVER,YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT WOMEN MAKE UP HALF OF THE POPULATION WHILE BLACKS MAKE UP ONLY AROUND 13%.LETS SAY ,FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT,THAT 40% OF MALES ARE SEXIST AND ONLY 25% OF NON BLACKS ARE RACIST.OBAMA WOULD STILL HAVE A MATHEMATICAL DISADVANTAGE.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:09 PM
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47. There are plenty of women who will. n/t
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:44 PM
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13. Context, please.
The statement, and the reply to it, were in regards to the Hillary v Obama campaigns.

I'm just sure those guys in the Texas compound are all going to vote for Obama.

:sarcasm:

No doubt there is sexual discrimination. There are horror stories, like this cult. At the same time there is also racial discrimination, and horror stories like the KKK. They have NOTHING to do with the Democratic primary.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:46 PM
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16. WTF
You serious? That is your argument that Hillary has been hit by sexism...it was a cult..and they don't vote. This is a cult...and they are slowly being dealt with. I wish it was faster but that is the way the system works.

The authorities have been trying to get into that place for 4 years...however without a reason to search a place you can't get in. That's the constitution. It sucks but until that brave girl made that call last week there was nothing anyone could do because of the Bill of Rights. I hate that it happens but I don't want to change the fourth amendment.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:47 PM
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17. the mothers in Texas where complicit
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 04:49 PM
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37. the mothers in texas, some of them 15, were born into this. they are
blameless. they are victims too. they don't apply to hillary's losing campaign because unless the majority of us live like that, this has no relevancy in the hillary campaign.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:36 PM
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39. somewhere up the line is a mother old enough to know better
and they stood and did nothing while their children where abused.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:31 PM
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2. I don't blame Sir Elton for saying it.
It's not like he talks to Obama supporters (or regular folks on a daily basis) or anything.

But I'm afraid my favorite British gay man is and always be Matt Lucas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Lucas
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:40 PM
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9. The only gay in the village
:D
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:43 PM
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11. and the only gay on the Greek Isle of Mykonos if you've seen the Little Britain Abroad special
Fat Fighters in America, Bubbles in Monaco, and Carol in Spain are divine!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:32 PM
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3. K&R
I like Elton, but he may not be completely up to speed on the nuances of this election...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:35 PM
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5. You're right so
I will take him out of the title of this thread because he is not the one aggressively pushing this.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:48 PM
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19. Yeah, by looking at that pic
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 12:48 PM by zidzi
of him when he was gazing at hilary..he may have not investigated what she's been up to turn us Americans off.

I know she turned me way off in 2002, Elton..along with your Prime MInister, toady blur.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:34 PM
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4. By Sir Elton's logic, those who don't support Obama are racists.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:38 PM
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7. And those who disagree with Elton
must be toupee-ogynists
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:45 PM
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15. Or homophobes!
Oh, your toupee-oynists remark is already reserved for enemies of William Shatner. :7

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:49 PM
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21. That is also the logic of an awful lot of Obama supporters here at DU.
Anyone who does not support Obama is most likely a racist and all criticisms of him are inspired by racism.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:58 PM
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23. You totally missed it, didn't you?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:04 PM
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26. No, I see it every day here. I used to find it appalling,
but now it just seems par for the course.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. Obviously, you have no idea what logic means.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:11 PM
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29. Obviously you have nothing of any importance to say.
Nothing new or surprising about that, of course.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:37 PM
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6. Misogyny and sexism aren't the same thing
Sir Elton should stick to what he does best -- and not toss around terms he can't define.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:48 PM
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18. Like I said, the man's a twit.
Great with a piano, and "The One" is one of his best albums, but nobody's perfect...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:43 PM
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12. You really did the work on this one..Again, ProSense!
Thank you. I'm of the school of thought that sir elton john needs to buy a clue and get outta his whiney ass mode.



Maybe it's the hilary LIES that Americans don't like, Elton..

"Handy Guide to Hillary Clinton's Bosnian Lie: The Faux Heroine of Tuzla
Hillary, The Faux Heroine of Tuzla"



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5348113

And this is just one Hugh LIE...We have more LIES, El-ton.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:48 PM
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20. off topic but i gotta ask
whenever i see the word huge here its spelled hugh
why?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:52 PM
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22. Well...I meant to spell it right
but DUers kid around with it 'cause of the way another site spells that word when they get excited about some issue..so I just left it:)
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:03 PM
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24. im not a spelling and grammar nazi i was just wondering
ive seen it that way a dozen times and wondered

thanx for the answer

a beer for you :toast:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 06:35 PM
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38. I know you aren't ..I could tell by the way you asked..
anyway, I'm a spelling nazi on myself 'cause I like to spell correctly..that's why it was a big deal for me to let that "Hugh" go. I laughed when I saw it and then sure enough you asked about it:P

Welcome to DU, swampg8r..it's been quite a ride and if you're into politics there's no place like it..in a good way..gracias por la cerveza:toast:
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 01:04 PM
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25. Actually, it's a rip on our Republican counterparts at FRee Republic dot com
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 01:05 PM by YOY
They are not know for their spelling skills. Often we throw FReeperisms in when we see something that needs half a brain of thought to process or in mocking someone that they may be thinking like a FReeper. You still see spelling errors here, mind you, but not to their level of sheer hilarity:

Words like "hugh" for "huge" and "series" for "serious" are common FReeperisms.

Common example of this in practice (not photo shopped) The "Moran":



Yes...this is our competition. Sad, no?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:44 PM
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14. Elton John may know how to use a piano, but he's otherwise a twit.
To hell with him. People can't or won't discern action vs biasing on a particular genetic aspect.

I still believe Clinton is still a worthwhile candidate, all things considered, but he's numb in the brain, or he sits on it while tickling the keys to the tune of "Rocket Man". Uh oh, doesn't he know women are astronauts too? Maybe he is sexist?

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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:10 PM
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35. K&R
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:21 PM
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36. How did it get from "The Power of Hillary" to perpetual whining?

The Power of Hillary

By James Carville and Mark J. Penn
Sunday, July 2, 2006; Page B07

<...>

We've heard all this "Hillary can't win stuff" before. In fact, the quotes above aren't from recent weeks but from six years ago, when many pundits -- and Democrats -- said there was no way that Hillary could get elected to the Senate. She won by 12 percentage points.

We don't know if Hillary is going to run for president, but as advisers who have worked on the only two successful Democratic presidential campaigns in the past couple of decades, we know that if she does run, she can win that race, too.

Why? First, because strength matters. Our problems as a party are less ideological than anatomical: Our candidates have been made to look like they have no backbone. But the latest Post-ABC News poll shows that 68 percent of Americans describe Hillary Clinton as a strong leader. That comes after years of her being in the national crossfire. People know that Hillary has strong convictions, even if they don't always agree with her. They also know that she's tough enough to handle the viciousness of a national campaign and the challenges of the presidency itself.

One thing we know about Clinton campaigns: Nobody gets Swift Boated.

The woman who gave the War Room its name knows how tough politics at the presidential level can be. Adversaries spent $60 million against her in 2000, and she endured press scrutiny that would have wilted most candidates. She gave as good as she got, and she triumphed.

For those who think that the politics of personal destruction might be rekindled against Hillary or her husband, we can only remind people how consistently that approach has backfired in the past. Bill Clinton would certainly be a huge asset if Hillary decided to run.

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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:58 PM
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40. Outstanding post!! ProSense for "poster of the day"!
Because Keith doesn't have that as a segment on his program . . . yet!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:40 PM
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41. Thanks.
KO rocks! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:31 PM
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42. You can actually see why Hillary is losing in these comments from
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 06:31 PM by ProSense
her new chief strategist:

* Suggested that the comments were "completely fair game" for use in an ad, and an "important topic"

* Said that he would "hope" that the Clinton campaign would point to the comments in their efforts to persuade super-delegates to back her over Obama

* Said that Mark Penn felt "embarrassed" and felt like he'd been "taken to the woodshed," and allowed that Penn "did a dumb thing"

* Said that while Hillary's reputation "isn't going to get any worse," Obama's "isn't going to get any better"


Defending Penn mixed with desperation.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:53 AM
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44. “troubled by her assumption that her husband’s administration and accomplishments were her own.”
Paper’s ed board picks Obama, who has been trailing Clinton in the statewide polls but is expected to do well in Philly.

“The choice in Tuesday’s Democratic presidential primary is not only the one between a white woman and a black man. It’s a choice between the past and the future.”

Also discounts Clinton’s experience. “We are frankly troubled by her assumption that her husband’s administration and accomplishments were her own.”

Plus: The Obama campaign tells Stephanopoulos that “prominent Pennsylvania supporters” will switch their support from Clinton to Obama Thursday morning due to Clinton’s negativity.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:03 PM
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46. Obama Wins Vast Majority Of Pennsylvania Newspaper Endorsements

Obama Wins Vast Majority Of Pennsylvania Newspaper Endorsements

By Greg Sargent - April 18, 2008, 5:30PM

I'd been meaning to do this for a few days now, and this is as good a time as any. Here's the rundown of which Pennsylvania newspapers have endorsed whom...

Papers endorsing Obama:


Papers endorsing Hillary:


For what it's worth.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:39 AM
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48. This was part of the official move to blame sexism for Hillary's pathetic campaign n/t
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