I don't consider George Bush a bad man...and I assume he and his administration are trying..

[IndianaJones]

to do what they think is best for this country.

They're just misguided.

[GodlessBiker]

1. .... responded Laura Bush, when asked about her husband's tenure as president.

[Lucky 13]

66. brilliant.

LOL

[futureliveshere]

2. Sorry I disagree. Bush, Cheney, Rummy trio are just evil

[JackintheGreen]

25. Seriously?

You can look at *'s entire professional career and still believe he's not an incompetent boob at the mercy of people much, much brighter than him? Or did he just become evil in the last eight years?

[futureliveshere]

50. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

[JackintheGreen]

51. Apparently not.

Since I disagree with you *I* must be the boob not to recognize Bush as this century's Machiavelli. I mean, why shouldn't I recognize him for what he is? His failure in business after business throughout the 1980s, tripping as they did on the heels of a "gentleman's C" in college and a less than stellar "military career" must surely have been a clever plan to distract us from his truly diabolical machinations. It's the perfect plan. How could I have been so blind?

[futureliveshere]

59. I was talking about the triumvirate, not just GWB

The guy is smart enough to play everyone for a sucker and make everyone believe that he is the local town buffoon. Have you seen his tax returns lately? His and Cheney's? Sheesh, open your eyes and understand that the Bush family comes from one of the oldest money families in the world. They have connections that extend all the way back to the Rothschilds and papa Bush is extremely calculating.

Bush Jr is smart enough to do exactly as papa tell him to do.

[JackintheGreen]

73. You flipped the words around

Bush Jr is exactly smart enough to do as his papa tells him to do.

Whenever he's left to his own devices he fails miserably. I do not believe he is any kind of evil mastermind.

[futureliveshere]

75. Not an evil mastermind.. An evil dumb fuck..... but evil nonetheless.

[JackintheGreen]

77. Seems we're basically in agreement

He is not smart (I won't call him dumb, for my own reasons). But you don't have to be smart or clever to be rich. That's what coattails are for (and look and Paris Hilton...ok, she *may* be clever)

And he may be evil (I won't go that far either, though I would consider many is his cabinet in such a light). But he's still a boob, and I don't think he comes up with much on his own.

He's not evil in the way Hitler or Tito or Coucescu or Stalin (sp?) or Ted Bundy or Satan were. He's more like...well, I can't think of anybody. I'll keep thinking on it and get back to you.

[Jed Dilligan]

78. So you have to be smart to be evil?

I think stupid, evil people have always ruled the world.

[dchill]

70. What - you can't conceive of an evil...

incompetent boob? I think he was born and raised to be evil. He just turned out stupid, too.

[damntexdem]

3. Not JUST bad -- evil incarnate.

What they think is best for this country is itself evil. And they're just trying to do it.

[The Magistrate]

4. 'Remember, If You Are Caught Or Killed, the Secretary Will Disavow Any Knowledge Of Your Action'

[hfojvt]

5. I consider that to be very naive

They are clearly doing everything they can to enrich and empower their cronies and clearly have no respect or affection for the canaille.

[anigbrowl]

6. I also think they're seriously misguided, but what does this have to do with GD-P?

Unfortunately, their misguidedness extends to ignoring parts fo the constitution, international treaties etc., which makes them so misguided as to be mentally incompetent. On the other hand, I'm less inclined to be forgiving of Cheney and his ilk; because Cheney does not strike me as a stupid person, unable to appreciate the ramifications of the policies he supports.

[RaleighNCDUer]

7. Did you forget

:sarcasm: ?

[jgraz]

8. Bad or good is irrelevant. He's a criminal who should be stopped and punished appropriately.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. You forgot to add this:

:sarcasm:

He is a very bad man.

[Dr. Strange]

10. Bush says he's not a bad man.

I take him at his word.

Edit to add: I'm an Obama supporter, but this thread is making me laugh, IndianaJones.:rofl:

[TahitiNut]

11. Loosen that fedora; it's squeezing your brain.

:rofl:

[cliffordu]

12. Drinking before noon used to make me say some funny shit, too....

:crazy:

[TahitiNut]

15. For sure. Those vodka gimlets under the hot Vietnamese sun after all night on duty ...

... YOIKS! :crazy:

1 Imperial quart of Seagram's Blue Label 100 proof Vodka .... $1.25 in MPC
1 quart of Rose's Lime Juice .................................... $1.25 in MPC
Crushed ice ........................................................... priceless


Our company CO: "Drug problem? No sir! All our guys are alcoholics."

[donheld]

13. OMG You are precious

They are doing what's right for their buddies and that's it.

[anonymous171]

14. I think that too. The only problem is their idea of America.

They're trying to help, what in their minds is America, that is the corporations and the military. And that is where they are wrong.

[JimGinPA]

16. Was This A Quote From One Of The Candidates Perhaps?

:shrug:

[IndianaJones]

17. shhh. nt.

[donheld]

19. Oh that's right Barack did say that didn't he

What do you expect from a candidate.

[DarienComp]

21. Of course, Bill Clinton has said pretty much the same thing on numerous occasions.

But, we shouldn't let that get in the way of a good fauxtrage session.

[redqueen]

26. Hehehehe... and at least his campaign muckety mucks aren't out lunching with Karen Hughes

:P

[IndianaJones]

27. Liverpool FC...woo hoo! nt.

[redqueen]

28. They dive cause they can't play! Woooooooooo!

:P

[IndianaJones]

31. yeah, well...I don't watch soccer, so I don't know what that means. pbbt. nt.

[redqueen]

35. It means they are cheatin bastards!

:D

I feel for their fans... that team used to win legitimately... now their players dive to get penalty shots they don't deserve in order to win.

What a sad legacy... what a hollow shell of the former team.

[yardwork]

52. Or golfing with Poppy.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. Do you find him "charming and charismatic?"

:shrug:

[solara]

20. This is a joke, right?

The idea that the Bush administration is merely 'misguided' is arguably the most dangerously naive statement I have seen yet on DU.

Did one of our candidates really say this?



INVESTIGATE IMPEACH INDICT INCARCERATE :banghead:

[Dr. Strange]

24. Yeah, IndianaJones needs to be educated.

I can't believe he would say such a thing about Bush.

:rofl:

[YOY]

43. Yes Obama said it...so has Bill Clinton on a few occasions (or something to that effect.)

But IndianaJones is just throwing out his usual crap and hoping it goes bad for Obama...

[solara]

47. Ahhh..thank you for clarifying n/t

[YOY]

48. Nobody can run their campagn on vitriol alone

and swing voters don't want to hear that they voted for an evil man (perhaps twice).

You can't blame either Bill, Hill, or Obama for saying this.

You can blame IndianaJones for being a racist jerkbag though. He's good at that.

[lumberjack_jeff]

22. I disagree. "Bad" fits. n/t

[mkultra]

23. fixed

to do what they think is best for this country club that they attend.


glad to help

[MichiganVote]

29. He's an asshole.

[gateley]

30. IJ's OP is a set up. nt

[benddem]

32. I think they

all have some psychological pathology. Bush is a sociopath. They are all EVIL

[Writer]

33. I think George Bush and Dick Cheney are evil men.

And I don't think that very often of people with whom I disagree.

George Bush has every sign of being a malignant narcissist. EVERY sign. Cheney would exterminate the American population if it meant that he and his buddies would profit. He has no scruples.

[QC]

34. I had found the President to be a likable man, ...

shrewd and disciplined but with the same straightforward manner that had helped him win two elections.

[IndianaJones]

36. Interesting...I find the President and those who surround him to be pretty much like everybody else,

possessed of the same mix of virtues and vices, insecurities and long-buried injuries, as the rest of us.

[QC]

39. And thank goodness they recognize that if

everybody is truly free, without the constraints of birth or rank and an inherited social order {then} how can we ever hope to form a society that coheres?

[asteroid2003QQ47]

42. With all due respect...

you are seriously fucked up in the head!

[niyad]

60. most people wouldn't be invading other countries without reason, and screwing over

all their countrymen and women.

if you are being serious about this, and not quoting someone else (in which case, I suggest you learn the function of quotation marks) you really need a reality check.

[baldguy]

40. Except he didn't win two elections.

2000 was a coup & 2004 was stolen.

[ladjf]

37. If Bush isn't "bad", then I don't know the definition of the word

"bad". (I thought that the remark about Bush was made by Obama.)

[baldguy]

38. You are more charitable than I.

I believe he searches for new and imaginative ways to make people suffer for the pure joy of it.

[Bucky]

41. He's not a bad man. He's just a bad Oz.

FWIW, the hot air balloon he'll use to return to Kansas was made by Halliburton.

[whosinpower]

46. Incompetant, naive, simple minded

And when combined with the powers that the President of the United States holds....very very dangerous.

He is the perfect puppet - surrounded by warprofiteers and people whose own interests trump the American public. Does that make him a bad man?
He fails to uphold the constitution - a presidential oath of office - does that make him a bad man?
He authorizes torture, knowing full well that it goes against the geneva conventions and the military commissions act. Does that make him a bad man?
He jokes in a video looking under his desk for Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, while american troops are put in harms way - BY HIM....does that make him a bad man?

I suppose a person could say that he is insulated from all these important decisions, and lets others do the hard work while he just agrees with what they offer - Dick Cheney once said that George W. Bush was the perfect president.
I've never met the man. I don't think he is a bad man. I think he is psychopathic. I think he is dangerous. I think he is evil. Is that bad?

[QC]

44. So when are you going to lower the boom? n/t

[uponit7771]

45. The effect is the same though

[stillcool]

49. Doing the best for "Their" country..

not 'this' country. I do blame them. They are responsible for over a million deaths. And they are proud of it. I believe that they belong to a sect of society who's perception of the world and life is something beyond the realm of my understanding. I do know all about the arrogance and the self-righteousness portrayed by those human beings who believe themselves to be superior because of the geographic location of their birth, by the monetary worth of the family they were born into, or because the color of their skin, and these people portray that attitude in spades. I only wish them a very long life.

[Vinca]

53. I think you missed your last dose of medication. nt

[11 Bravo]

54. Either you forgot the "sarcasm" smilie, or DU needs a "talking out your ass" smilie.

Geroge Bush is a sociopath. He doesn't feel things that normal people feel. He has learned to mimic what he believes to be an appropriately human response to tragedy, but the hard, cold, reality is that he just doesn't give a fuck!

[Spider Jerusalem]

55. I think your assumptions are not grounded in a solid perception of reality

Bush is not a good man, and his administration are trying to do what they think is best for their ideas of empire. Whether that's what's best for the country is for history to decide (although if the fate of past empires is any indication, there's a brief period of imperial glory followed by a long, slow decay and dissolution).

[The Blue Flower]

56. No, he is not a bad man

He is a very, very, very good criminally insane dictator.

[niyad]

57. you really should stop smoking that funny tobacco

[RichardRay]

58. Deeply, seriously, inherently WRONG, but not bad...

And I'd probably not stop at just misguided.

I know it's easier to hate him and want him gone if you decide that he's something similar to evil incarnate. That's one of the things that makes him so scary. He's just an average Joe what managed to get to be president and then was able to take his opinions and try to make them reality.

Any one on this board who has deeply held beliefs and got to be president would, far more likely than not, do the same thing and very likely with similarly disastrous results. Certainly anyone who is so convinced of his or her own righteousness as to suggest that they can detect actual Evil in Bush's behavior would be a likely candidate to behaving just as badly as he has.

And, yes, I am willing to say that based on no more what I see posted here. It may be that some folks are actually very different people than their posts here make them out to be, but based on what I read here, 95% of the DU population would screw it up just as badly as Bush has - probably in very different fashions, but with no less disastrous results.

[niyad]

61. you know, most of us wouldn't invade other countries, or party while NOLA and surrounding areas

were being inundated, or a million and one things that collection of POS has done to our country, nor would we be shredding the constitution, approving torture, and generally screwing up the whole world.

I don't know what you think you see here, but you need new glasses.

[RichardRay]

62. Only because we can't

I'd bet that any number of us here would make disastrous mistakes leading to a great deal of misery if we had the power to do so. Probably not the same mistakes, I suspect most here would create serious havoc trying to advance progressive causes just as BushCo have done so trying to advance their regressive ones. But, and I am quite certain of this, most of us would have created just as much misery as he has at the end of a decade.

If you don't think so, then I'm glad you're not running for president, because you're far to convinced of your own righteousness.

[billyoc]

63. Oh, are they soliciting character witnesses already?

Where *does* the time go? :rofl:

[QC]

64. Bump. Has anybody figured out the joke yet? n/t

[WinkyDink]

65. Never mind! :

[Lucky 13]

67. OK, so what's the punch line? We're waiting....

[Dr. Strange]

68. Try this:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Ye9&q=%22I+don%27t+consider+George+Bush+a+bad+man%22&btnG=Search

Ignore the first result. I don't know who wrote that crap.

[WinkyDink]

69. One of our candidates said it.

[QC]

72. Obama said it, along with the comments in 34, 36, and 39. n/t

[dchill]

71. Is George Bush running in the ...

Democratic Primaries?

[Mooney]

74. I used to think that.

But I'm pretty sure everything has gone according to their design. They had some help from outside events, but I think the plan was always to get rich via war profiteering, and they have succeeded at that in spades.

[JI7]

76. what you say applies to McCain and Huckabee and some others

but not Bush . i think Bush not only doesn't care about the country but he hates the american people.