When did Hillary Clinton lose any chance at your support?

[Onlooker]

[uponit7771]

1. I like many other black folk I know didn't start paying attention to Obama until SC

[goldcanyonaz]

I, also startied paying attention to how the Clintons were labeled as racists.

Hopefully Uncle Ray Ray and Pookie will come out and vote this November for em cuz this black ass will be in Mexico.

[Writer]

18. Wait.. wait! An opportunity for exploration and greater understanding.

If I'm reading you right, you are an African-American who was offended by the Uncle Ray Ray and Pookie comment?

[goldcanyonaz]

21. Fuck yeah I am. He can stick that shit up his ass and smoke it.

[Writer]

34. Did you feel pandered to?

[goldcanyonaz]

37. Yes, I do feel pandered to. I am also disgusted by how he has stood mute while the Clintons

have been accused of being racist. I will NEVER vote for him.

[Writer]

45. I wondered what some folks in the African-American community felt about that comment.

about cousin pookie, etc. Are your friends also black, and how do they feel about South Carolina?

[cyndensco]

33. I was an Obama supporter the day he announced

During the Tavis Smiley Convenant with America afternoon break, c-span cut to Obama's announcement. His speech was okay but c-span followed it up with footage of an interview he had done in Chicago when he was running for state senator. He was totally against the war and had the foresight to know there would be sunni/shiite/kurd implications we could not overcome.

It kind of pissed me of the MSM suggested black folk jumped on board after Iowa because we like to go with the winner. Many of us were supporters before we felt he had a chance. Damn, my whole life I have pulled for the underdog...

[goldcanyonaz]

38. Like he was totally against the war before he funded it. Bullshit.

Where the fuck was he when the Kyl-Leibermann amendment was being voted on?

Oh, yeah, he was campaigning.

[LSparkle]

2. During the debate in Hollywood (the first w/o Edwards), I softened to her

but not long after that, she had her "shame on you" moment and that's when
I turned decidedly against her. Her rage about flyers that were only mis-
leading at worst re her stand on NAFTA showed me that she can't handle
criticism well at all ...

[Window]

24. Same here. That was only a day or two after the debate when she said, "I'm so proud to share a

stage with Senator Obama," in such a soft sweet voice. Then turned around a day or two later yelling, "SHAME ON YOU, BARACK OBAMA." It went downhill from there with the celestial choirs, etc.

I picked other.

[Bill McBlueState]

3. "I never seriously considered supporting her"

I chose your first option, but I would have picked "When she voted for the Iraq War Resolution" if such a choice were available.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. That would be my answer as well

[tridim]

16. Same here, but when Bill started literally wagging his finger at ordinary citizens..

My non-support of all things Clinton was solidified. Then Hillary started in with her scolding crap and she lost me completely. Now, I find it hard to even give her support as a Senator. I liked both Clintons just fine about 3 months ago.

[Me.]

5. When He & She Started Praising John McCain

[Lilith Velkor]

11. They didn't

But by all means, keep lying about it. It's not like you have real things to complain about (such as Kyl-Lieberman).

[Me.]

20. Lying? Perhaps You Mis-Spoke

Bill Clinton Praises "Moderate" McCain

“ABC's Z. Byron Wolf Reports: At a stop in rural Pennsylvania, over winding roads and through rolling hills in small Lewistown, PA, where people lined the streets to watch his motorcade approach, former President Bill Clinton had high praise for the man who has clinched the nomination for the other party.

Mr. Clinton said all three major candidates remaining in the race are talented and special people.

He did not go into detail on Sen. Barack Obama, the Illinois Senator still locked in political combat with Sen. Clinton's wife for the Democratic nomination. Their next battle takes place next month in Pennsylvania.

But McCain, who Mr. Clinton said is a "moderate", "has given about all you can give for this country without dyin' for it." Cont…

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/clinton-praises.html


Bill Clinton praises McCain, again...

“He said McCain was on the right side of issues like being against torture of enemy combatants and global warming, which "just about crosses the bridge for them (Republicans)."

ttp://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/28/175059/270


Clinton praises McCain again, says he’s crossed ‘Commander in Chief threshold’

“Of course, that only works when Dems realize this isn’t a time to praise McCain.

At a press conference on Monday in Ohio, Clinton was defending her “3 a.m.” ad, and told reporters, “I have a lifetime of experience I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he made in 2002.”

The pro-McCain comments were quickly and widely panned — so Clinton repeated them. James Fallows reported on Wednesday, “In a live CNN interview just now, Sen. Clinton repeated, twice, the ‘Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience, I have a lifetime of experience, Sen. Obama has one speech in 2002Åå line. By what logic, exactly, does a member of the Democratic party include the ‘Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience’ part of that sentence?”

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14809.html


Olbermann Rips Into Clinton For Praising McCain

“Tonight on his show, Keith Olbermann eviscerated Hillary Clinton for a good ten minutes for promoting John McCain's presidency over her fellow Democrats. He compared her to Joe Lieberman. He asked "is she equating her time in the East Wing with McCain's time in the Hanoi Hilton?" You have got to watch these videos. They're devastating in only the way that Keith can be.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/07/olbermann-rips-into-clint_n_90392.html

[H2O Man]

46. No question about it. n/t

[crankychatter]

6. In Bills Adminstration:

When I realized what she was doing behind closed doors with big pharma and big insurance companies in the name of "universal coverage"

[AlinPA]

7. Her speech in RI where she mocked ridiculed Obama and his supporters after having

acted so civil at the previous night's debate. The RI speech is where she gestured at the sky and mocked the message of hope. I was for her and Obama just hoping any Democrat would beat the republican. I was originally for Edwards.

[Arrowhead2k1]

8. When I realized how phony and entitled she seemed.

The smears she used straight out of the right-wing playbook and lies about her experience in Bosnia sealed the deal for me.
Now watching her hysterical feminist supporters melting down beyond reason with their support for her has put me over the top and made me whole heartedly Anti-Hillary. So yes, I'm a bit spiteful, I'll be taking great pleasure the day their new wave feminist dream projected through this phony named Hillary is officially crushed. That day isn't too far off either. :D

[samdogmom]

9. To justify my "Other" vote:

When it became very obvious that she is a liar! She'll say anything and do anything to win--and then we're going to have another Dubya on our hands! Her VERY OBVIOUS LIES are the reason why I can't vote for her. (I heard enough "waffling" from her husband--thank you very much!)

[mcctatas]

10. Other...

she never had it, but if it is a choice between her and mccain, I will support her with every fiber of my being...I just wish one of them would drop out (I don't even care who anymore) so we can start fighting the republican spin machine, this is getting ridiculous! No matter who gets the nomination, I just hope we can come together before it's too late...
Molly Ivins must be spinning in her grave seeing the democrats still trying to "herd cats"

[TabulaRasa]

12. I never liked the Clintons

but the moment I felt I would have an embolism if she won the nomination, was when she slipped the knife in Kerry's back over the "botched joke". Now, I already knew well that the Clintons' only concern is their own power. This was made abundantly clear as they (for all intents and purposes) sat on their hands during the 2004 election. But that moment so neatly encapsulated the ethos of the couple. It was Liebermanesque ... a word that was practically invented for the Clintons.

[Lerkfish]

13. my choice isn't on there

when she objected, not to the illegal invasion of Iraq, but that Rumsfeld was incompetent at it.

That put a chill in my good estimation of her until that point. I realized where her priorities lay.

[Radical Activist]

14. I thought she would be a disaster for the party from day one.

So I never seriously considered her. She can't win a national election and even if she got into office it would be a wasted four years of more pandering instead of bold change.

[krawhitham]

15. When she worked for Walmart

and tried to suppress the unions

[Bucky]

17. I never thought she was a viable candidate. She exceeded my expectations, by not by enough

My first objection to Clinton running was always constitutional--she's running in part as her husband's wife, essentially a third term for the full partner marriage. This was always just a work-around of the principle of rotation in office. Someone serving in office too long tends to acquire a network of favored friends and external relationships that lead to unrepublican tendencies of priviledge and entitlement. The debates in the Constitutional Convention of 1787 warned us about this. The problem becomes even worse in our age of an imperial presidency.

My second objection was the pure hatred and vitriole she elicits from Republicans and even from many independents. I'm always looking for a candidate with cross-over power. I think today Clinton might win a general election, but she'd come too close to losing for my comfort. I want a realignment election, one that will put the Democrats in power at least until the Republicans quit acting like a gaggle of retarded sock monkeys.

I don't think any candidate this year (other than Wesley Clark) could deliver a realignment or even a landslide. But I still see Clinton as the one who'll yield results furthest from this goal.

Any "character issues" raised against her are pure balderdash. She's ambitious, but none of her opponents are not. She plays loose with the truth sometimes, but all politicians do that. She's a bit new behind the stump so her lapse on the "sniper" story was bothersome, but forgiveable. Her hardball politics efforts to scare big donors off from backing any other candidate in 2006-2007 was the one thing in her campaign that convinced me I could not support her prior to her winning the nomination. Her campaign came down to trying to prevent rather than promote the sort of debate we need to select the right nominee. That was downright undemocratic.

I was late to supporting Obama--I thought Biden would be our strongest candidate in November. When he was gone, I wavered between Edwards and Obama for a week before committing. Most of the things on the campaign trail that have bothered others, like their tactics in South Carolina or her "kitchen sink" strategy, I considered fair game. Certainly I had no problem with them making millions once they left the White House. Part of our culture involves cashing in on one's passing celebrity. The Clintons seem to have done so ethically, so no harm no foul.

However, I still think she's the riskier and less appealing candidate. I agree with Sen. Leahy. She has the right to keep running, but doing so demonstrates some pretty sloppy judgment.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

19. When she sent out flyers in IA and NH lying about Obama's record on choice

You just don't do that.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

22. AT 3AM. Seriously. The fear-mongering ad. I'm over that shit.

The there's the racism, the lies, the waffling, the Clinton sleaze factor.

[guyanakoolaid]

23. THE answer you forgot to include - When she voted for the IWR. Period.

Any politician who sold their ethics with a yea vote on the IWR will never get my vote or support or anything but the continued dressing down that they deserve.

[harun]

25. I have always thought she is an ok Senator but not someone I would pick to be president (n/t)

[nxylas]

26. There isn't really a single moment for me

She was always my last choice, and I dreaded the prospect of a Clinton-Guiliani contest back in the days when they were the front-runners. It seemed the ultimate in corporate-sponsored fake democracy - a centrist, pro-war, socially liberal Republican versus a centrist, pro-war, socially liberal Democrat. When 9u11iani dropped out and Bomb Bomb Iran McCain became the nominee, the choice became a little easier, and I would happily have supported her against McCain, but the more she threw the kitchen sink at Obama, the less I liked her. So it's sort of "all of the above" for me, plus the fundraiser that Murdoch threw for her. Rupe wouldn't do that sort of think out of the kindness of his heart, even if he had one.

[Texas Hill Country]

27. i love how the title of your post presumes that we dont support her....

showing bias maybe?

[elizm]

28. When she voted for the war. I was never going to give my vote to any candidate...

...Who had voted for the IWR. That one act told me all I needed to know about their judgment and integrity.

[HughBeaumont]

29. Sorry, I don't back free trade/job offshoring supporters, nor war voters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5313426

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/HughBeaumont/32

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GC01Df03.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/538674.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/593175.cms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
Hillary pushes for more h1-b visas and outsourcing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNOSGM2jK4
Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgdrh2Bc95M
Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 2)

Not even a consideration.

[Skidmore]

30. Lost me when they rolled into Iowa and summarily dismissed

all other candidates and implied that Hillary wasn inevitable and the nominee was already selected. It really pissed me off. I posted a thread at the time, and believe me, I wasn't the only one who felt that way at the time. It takes a special kind of arrogance to assume that you will be literally appointed because you deserve it and it is your turn without even having to explain yourself. And as this primary has drug on, I believe more than ever that my vote was the right one.

[Windy]

31. Kyl/Lieberman..... that was the last straw. nt

[Spider Jerusalem]

32. Never cared much for either Clinton.

The attitude of, to put it bluntly, idolatry that many people in this forum have expressed toward Bill Clinton over the years I've been posting here has always left me feeling vaguely nauseated. I don't care at all for the prospect of Hillary as president. If she's the nominee, I'll probably vote for her, considering the alternative, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I support her.

[Levgreee]

35. The flier saying that Obama was not pro-choice, or weak on choice, really turned me off her

that was early on. I don't have much tolerance at all for tactics like that, especially when they are released the day before voting, basically meaning she was trying to get votes by playing on fear, and making people uninformed without having time to become educated again before the vote began.

[newmajority]

36. October 11, 2002

And if I have to explain that date to you, you would probably find a way to justify it. Just like Hillary tried to.

[Aloha Spirit]

39. When she ran for Pat's NY Senate seat

Voting for HC in the general was never an option...
until I get myself educated about the Senator from Arizona.
She definitely didn't have my potential vote until then.
But yeah, I first realized how much I didn't want to support her campaign when she ran for Senate.
It brought a lot of her history, choices, and desires into focus.

[VotesForWomen]

40. O's supporters on DU lost him any chance at my support. nt

[Blue-Jay]

49. So you're letting a message board's posters decide your vote?

That's smart.

[Forkboy]

50. That's some deep thinking there.

:crazy:

[damntexdem]

41. Other: at the time of the Iraq War Resolution.

[workinclasszero]

42. Hillary was damaged goods to me all along

She screwed up national health care for one. Then she voted for the boy king's invasion of Iraq.

That was the final straw.


Plus I don't trust DLC'ers.

They are just rethug lite. Way to friendly to Poppy, King George and McCain.

[H2O Man]

43. Other.

In late January- early February, I began to question some of the tactics of her campaign. I still recognized that there is a difference between the best a candidate has to offer, and the worst aspects of their campaign. After Senator Ted Kennedy had reports that indicated Clinton could not win in November, that Obama could, and that Clinton's campaign risked fracturing the party, I began to move towards endoring Obama. After Edwards dropped out, he became the logical choice.

[HooptieWagon]

44. When she voted for war

and couldn't be bothered to read the full NIE.

[MrSlayer]

47. She has always been my last choice in this primary.

So I've never considered supporting her.

[DevonRex]

48. The IWR. Plain and simple. She voted to invade a country

that posed NO threat to us. Anyone who bothered to do even a tiny bit of research KNEW it was the wrong thing to do. I lost respect for her then. She didn't bother to read the NIE. She made a purely calculated move to look bullish.

She could have been a strong voice for reason. Instead she took the low road. She made her bed and now she's gotta lie in it.