Survey USA poll - Pennsylvania: Clinton: 56 - Obama: 38

[aquarius dawning]

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c79e5bab-a424-49f6-86d6-50c61cf729b7

[saracat]

1. No wonder Obama is spending so much money!

[catcher]

21. The way you cling to the tiniest shred of "positive" data

reminds me of something.

[rodeodance]

35. it reminds me that O. is forking out the $$ 3:1

[lander]

38. Isn't it awesome?

I think it's clear whom the grassroots of the party support!

[rodeodance]

42. you forget he went to Billionaire Lane in SF to ask for money. his narritive is crumpling

[lander]

44. There's a Billionaire Lane in San Francisco?

What an odd name for a street! Say, how's the 12-state strategy working for Hilliburton, Inc.? Obama's absolutely right to ask EVERYONE to support his campaign -- including you, and your neighbors on Billionaire Lane.

Is anyone on that street actually a billionaire? That'd be funny.

Dolt.

[aquarius dawning]

52. Hillarious, isn't it?

[Butch350]

67. Maybe

He can float HRC a loan.

[niyad]

2. k & r

[my3boyz]

3. Posting old polls again? Such a shame! Funny how the media did not cover this one! nt

[democrattotheend]

5. I wish they had

I wish they had focused on the SUSA poll instead of the Quinnipiac poll. I'd rather polls underestimate Obama than overestimate him.

[Cant trust em]

27. Couldn't agree more

Polls schmolls. Let's get out there and do some work. I'm going to phone bank from California for a while this weekend.

[book_worm]

4. Wasn't that posted a couple of days ago. Since then several other polls show it closer

this poll is either going to be the only right one or the outlier of the group. Time will tell.

[aquarius dawning]

11. every current poll has her kicking his ass in Pennsylvania.

A Zogby poll was posted which showed one end of the extreme so I thought it was only fair to post the Survey USA poll which shows the opposite end of the spread. Both polls are less than 1 week old and are considered current. The average according to RCP is Clinton +7.3. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html

Now, if you'll excuse me, the weather outside is great and I'm going to go enjoy it. Have a nice day. peace out.

[Lucky 13]

6. 1) Old poll. 2) Flawed poll. See Rassmussen. That is all.

[PBS Poll-435]

22. Rasmussen RoCkS!!!

Texas -

Rasmussen 03/02 - 03/02 710 LV 47 48 Obama +1.0

California -

Rasmussen 02/02 - 02/02 798 LV 45 44 Obama +1.0

Massachusetts -

Rasmussen 01/28 - 01/28 1023 LV 43 37 Clinton +6.0

[aquarius dawning]

29. 1.) the poll is perfectly current 2.) flawed poll? pure conjecture on your part

Rasmussen has him losing by 5 (even after outspending her 3:1) and that poll was taken at the same time as the Survey USA poll. Furthermore, Survey USA and Rasmussen are comparable in their accuracy judging by the 2004 results. Zogby was way off, one of the worst actually. http://www.surveyusa.com/Scorecards/2004AllStatewide.xls

[Lucky 13]

31. Wow you Hillfolk are loose with the numbers and facts.

Two months ago she was up by 20 points in the polls. Now Obama is about to come up and steal it from her, or at least deny her the hoards of delegates she needs to even have an argument to keep on going.

NOW you cry about how much money he's spending? That's cause he out raised her! Why? Because the public, en masse, is giving him TONS of money - not in single large donors, but in 2 million LITTLE GUYS! WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

It tells you NO ONE is ENTITLED to the White House OR the Democratic Party nomination.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That's what happened to your girl. They were our heroes. Corrupted by their own greed and enormous egos. It really is too bad. But now it's time for them to step aside. The Little Guy is fighting back. We're not going to let ANY elitist entitled assholes from EITHER party keep us from the White House.

And it's not too late for you... COME ON OVER! We're a fun crowd! You know you wanna...!!! We miss you guys!

[aquarius dawning]

47. Nothing loose about it.

"Two months ago she was up by 20 points in the polls."
She's still up by 18 in this weeks S USA poll.

"Now Obama is about to come up and steal it from her, or at least deny her the hoards of delegates she needs to even have an argument to keep on going."

He isn't going to steal anything and I suspect, barring something completely unlikely, she will continue on after pennsylvania same as before.

"NOW you cry about how much money he's spending?"
Dude, I'm not crying about it, I'm laughing about it. Keep spending that money so you can lose by less.

"And it's not too late for you... COME ON OVER! We're a fun crowd! You know you wanna...!!! We miss you guys!"
Obama is winning because of red states and caucuses and red state caucuses which were given to him due to the disproportionate support of African Americans and ultra-liberal democrats. How many true blue states has he won? (he didn't even win Mass)How many primaries has he won? How many battle ground states has he won? How many true blue states did Hillary win? How many primaries did she win? How many of the all important battle ground states did she win? This is why we have super delegates. They will look at the facts and, hopefully, make the rationale decision which leads to a november victory. As such, it is far too early to call this race and far too early to abandon Hillary for Obama whom I consider to be a far bigger gamble.

[BeyondGeography]

7. Old and thoroughly discredited

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5428425

[aquarius dawning]

8. 3 days is old? and if a Zogby poll is considered credible, I think survey USA should be too.

I mean, come on, Zogby? California? Hello?

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. Collected 4/5 - 4/7 - published 4/8.

That's more than 3 days.

[my3boyz]

17. Yes, it sure is. It was posted on this board the day it was released over and over

again. However, I'm sure you know that.

[Maribelle]

9. Kos the Hillary Hater can dance on his head and spin all he wants. Survey USA is the most accurate.

[BeyondGeography]

12. They undercount blacks and only give Obama 62% of the vote

the sample size is 597 voters...it's an obvious outlier.

[Maribelle]

18. Sorry - - their polls have proven accurate over and above all others.

They must be doing somehting right.

[AX10]

43. Yes, Kos the hater can spin away along with the..

mediawhores on MSNBC, but the reality is that she is still ahead.

[Butch350]

69. Grasping ...

At straws - the drowning are flailing.

[goldcanyonaz]

10. woohoo!

[lander]

39. Woohoo? She's not even up by 20! n/t

Can I call you Baghdad Bob?
Whoops -- guess I just did.

[niyad]

14. . .

[indimuse]

15. K&R!

GO Hillary!


Thx 4 post.

[futureliveshere]

16. I dont care which poll is more reliable as long as BO wins on 22nd. All this is just BS

None of the polls have come close to getting their numbers correct. The only certainty in my mind is that PA will be much closer than earlier expected. After that there is just too much uncertainty to predict anything.

For the record, I don't trust the polls that show Bo is very close to HRC either. The truth will be out just a few days before 22nd, maybe 20th or so.

[aaaaaa5a]

19. This is not final poll.....

It will be interesting to see what their poll will be next week. This poll is either an outlier, or Survey USA REALLY IS that much better than everyone else.

[MethuenProgressive]

20. I'm amazed BO is polling that high.

Evidently Pennsylvanians aren't buying his BS.

[PBS Poll-435]

23. That is for sure.

[goldcanyonaz]

24. *snort* racist *snort*

[PBS Poll-435]

25. Oh no you didn't!

Actually...which 'angle' were you taking with that one?

[goldcanyonaz]

26. Fuck if I know, but if you don't support Obama, you MUST be a racist.

[PBS Poll-435]

28. That seems to be the recurring theme around some threads here...

Sad, isn't it?

[lander]

34. Hm, no. Causal relationship reversed:

If you don't support Obama, you're not necessarily a racist. (You could just be narrowly focused on one or two pet issues, you could be a huge fan of Bill's from you-know-when, or you could just have a thing for the Hillster that you can't shake.)

Now -- on the other hand -- if you're a racist, you're clearly not going to support Obama. Interesting statement, just backwards.

ON EDIT: forgot a close-parenthesis.

[MadBadger]

30. PPP Poll - Hillary 46 - Clinton 43

[Barack_America]

40. ?

Lol?

[MadBadger]

41. What? I cant raise an old poll thats already been reported numerous times?

Its favorable to me...I should be able to!

[Barack_America]

45. It's all good...

I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a typo.

Now I can give you the full lol-treatment.

Ready?

Here it is.

:rofl:

[lander]

32. What's with all of the "outraising" bull****?

Doesn't matter how much Obama or Clinton raises or spends -- if Hillary can't hold onto a massive lead with her POLICIES and IDEAS, she's toast. But, of course, she's already toast -- it's just a matter of how crispy she wants to let herself become.

[Imagevision]

33. Last poll I viewed 6-7 minutes ago was Hillary 49% - Obama 45%...

[MadBadger]

36. ? What poll was that?

[thewiseguy]

48. zogby

[aquarius dawning]

50. Zogby sucks tremendously and historically. Look at their California polling.

SUSA is historically quite accurate.

[thewiseguy]

51. your poll is old

[aquarius dawning]

54. To a mayfly maybe. In the real world, it's quite current.

[lander]

37. Which "USA" did they "Survey"?

No, c'mon, I'm just going for the obvious joke.

Hey, remember: HILLARY IS SUPPOSED TO WIN BY 20+ POINTS IN PA. If she doesn't, it's an embarrassment -- ESPECIALLY since she has no ground game, new SD support, or money going forward.

[cattycat]

46. This poll is old

Taken before Obama shrank Hillary's lead. Obama is only trailing Hillary by 4-5%.

[aquarius dawning]

49. you are out of your mind. It's less than a week old.

and it suggests that Obama didn't shrink any leads. And, FYI, SUSA is one of the more accurate survey groups.

[thewiseguy]

53. this poll has been posted so many times and discussed many times on DU

[aquarius dawning]

55. today is 4-11. it was released on 4-8. It's fucking current.

[rodeodance]

57. many Obama folks just do the Rovian tactic of distraction--never talk issues.

[rodeodance]

56. too bad. I like to hear to see positive posts

[BklnDem75]

58. sighs... I thought Obama would keep it close...

It seemed he was breaking down Clinton's lead but I'm convinced it just wasn't meant to be in Pa. This truly sucks... the past few days showed a 7 point difference. Even earlier today I saw a 4 point difference. Now this poll comes with... um... Tuesday's date? Heh! Nevermind! GOBAMA!!!

[aquarius dawning]

59. yeah, that Zogby poll should keep your spirits up what with their historic accuracy and all

He had Obama winning by 13% in california and he only lost by 10%. that's pretty encouraging for you, isn't it? Oh, and how about when he gave BO New Hampshire by 13% and then he only lost it by 2%. Not too shabby. yeah, you should be very encouraged by that Zogby poll especially since it was taken almost 4 days after my old SUSA poll.

[BklnDem75]

61. Actually...

I'm more encouraged by the delegate count. Thanks. :) I tend to ignore pro-GOP Zogby. They tend to lean right.

[aquarius dawning]

62. Zogby was a democrat last I checked.

and those delegates don't mean as much as you want them to (at least not until you get 2024 of them).

[BklnDem75]

63. If you say so...

While you wait for that miracle, I guess I'll have to sleep with a smile on my face.

[Hoof Hearted]

60. GO HILLARY!

We're still here. If progressivism is to win, you must win.

Go Hillary!

[AtomicKitten]

64. "Obama Closing in Pennsylvania" (47%-43%)

Obama closing in Pennsylvania
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/04/obama_closing_i.html
April 11, 2008 04:02 PM

The Democratic race in Pennsylvania -- likely a must-win for Hillary Clinton and a chance for Barack Obama to land a knockout punch -- is tightening.

A new Zogby poll out today is the latest major survey this week to show Obama within single digits of Clinton, as his TV ad barrage and appearances in the state works on voters before the April 22 primary.

Clinton leads Obama 47 percent to 43 percent, just barely outside the margin of error, Zogby says. She is doing well in western Pennsylvania, around Pittsburgh, and in the central part of the state. Obama is doing well in eastern Pennsylvania, near Philadelphia.

As in other states, Clinton is getting more support from older voters. Zogby says the cut-off seems to be about age 35 -- those younger are likely to support Obama.

The survey was conducted Wednesday and Thursday and has a sampling error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.

[rcsl1998]

65. Kick

[aquarius dawning]

66. Just when you thought it was safe to enterGD; Primaries, the SUSA Pennsylvania poll strikes again.

Ooohh the humanity.

[book_worm]

68. that was last week.