Hell yeah I'm BITTER!! I've lost 4% of my home equity!! Hillary Supported NAFTA and Bill H1 Visas!

[uponit7771]

My GOODNESS, you HAVE to be an IDIOT to support free trade like Hillary does (fuck you if you think I'm supposed to believe she didn't know about Penn) and screw little guy America and then attack Obama on this issue!!!

Hillary is showing her lack of judgment on this issue.

[LSparkle]

1. Yep -- he ought to just SLAM her on the NAFTA issue

He even mentions it in the quote in question ...

SHUT HER DOWN NOW!

[OhioChick]

7. And he should hit

he hard on her outsourcing/Tata/H1B views.

[BeatleBoot]

2. Wow 4% ?

Consider yourself lucky.

[uponit7771]

4. 4% on a TON of money isn't lucky, lose 20 - 40,000 and NO one would be happy

[BeatleBoot]

8. You're Right .

It's all relative to one's situation.

What's really killing folks is the fact that they have equity loans on homes that have lost value.

And if a $ 40,000 loss represents 4% of a home's value, then that means the home was purchased for $ 1 million.

And that is an entirely different discussion.

Meaning why would someone hurt by NAFTA (I'm guessing a Union Member) be buying a $ 1 million home in the first place?

[uponit7771]

14. H1s is what kills people in the tech market, it's the tech markets NAFTA....suppoted by Bill

...and makes it hard for tenured tech workers to negotiate.

[rug]

3. Give me home equity or give me death!

You don't get it.

[uponit7771]

5. I get Hillarys stupid ass supported NAFTA and Bills dumb ass supported H1s out the ass while we had

...plenty of America people to do the work!

I understand I've been laid off twice with illegal displacement but couldn't do anything about it along with many others because dumb ass'd bill left the displacement laws wide open.

I've GOT money and I'm bitter at the way things are going I can only imagine someone who's job has been off shored

[rug]

6. Are you union?

[uponit7771]

11. I wish we COULD uninonize Tech workers!! That wold blow the doors off the stupid ass's management...

...who has to bring back large dev efforts back on shore because the M&E cycles are too slow with COTs products.

I only wish we could!!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

10. OMG you said it.

My DEM congresspuke brings up the "desperate need" for more H1B visas literally every time I go to see him speak. He's like a broken record with the shit. He's a nice guy but he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. 2000 people just got laid off from high tech jobs in his own district and hundreds more are soon to follow. But these tech CEOs are up his ass crying about how they just can't find engineers to work for 35000 a year with no benefits. Who speak Urdu (or whatever "crucial" skill they claim to need).

Oh and FUCK YOU BILL GATES for having that conference where you called upon Washington to increase HIBs for TEN FUCKING YEARS!!! Bad enough you had to fuck everyone with Vista now you want to put every American out of a job. :grr:

[uponit7771]

15. RIGHT!! Their dumb ass's CREATED this mess by telling people they'd offshore their jobs to India...

...then when they found out the M&E cycles were too slow for enterprise efforts they want to big number of visas!!!

That issues is hurting middle and upper middle Americans, this offshoring shit was and is not a good deal.

and I wish Gate would STFU too!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

18. The white collar world is now learning what their blue collar counterparts did 20 years ago

There's no "retraining" after this either, despite what the flat-worlders say.

[lander]

16. CUT THE RUG. n/t

What? I'm just talking about dancing.

[jasmine621]

9. Be nice to look up the facts. nt

[knixphan]

12. start mailing the networks!!

[TahitiNut]

13. Let me know when you lose $120,000 in home equity and we can compare notes.

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[uponit7771]

30. Don't know what this means but any loss of equity is felt no matter the income level

[davidpdx]

17. Free trade isn't necessarily a bad thing

I think it's a matter of making sure the deal is a little more fair in terms of protecting US jobs. With so many poor countries in this world, it is clear that companies will keep moving their factories where they can take advantage of the cheapest labor they can find. Right now places like China, India and Vietnam are on the top of the list.

One of the problems is that US companies don't make things (TV's, computers, etc) as much as they used to. Most of the time they might be assembled in the US, but the parts come from places where things can be made the cheapest.

For the last four years I've been living in South Korea. There are some issues that I would like to see resolved between Korea and the US, mainly importing US beef again. Not only do US farmers benefit from being able to sell their beef, but Koreans (including those of us expats living here) benefit from lower beef prices. Not to mention I miss having a good steak.

[eridani]

23. So, how many Korean farmers have to commit suicide--

--so you can get cheaper steak?

[davidpdx]

25. Funny, if you actually knew what you were talking about

you'd actually sound intelligent. Sadly you aren't.

The beef here is mostly either Korean or Australian beef.

Since there is very little land, raising cows for meat isn't a high priority.

[eridani]

26. I was referring to the very bad effects of "free" trade on Korean farmers

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/sep/16/northkorea.wto

He took a patch of harsh mountain land and turned it into a thriving farm. But when Korea was flooded with foreign imports he was ruined - and last week, during the world trade talks, Lee Kyung-hae plunged a knife into his heart. Jonathan Watts on one man's struggle against the system

[davidpdx]

27. It is certainly a sad story, but suicide is a choice

and a very bad one at that. However, keeping the price of beef and rice artificially high to protect farmers, whether in Korea or in the US (which is where I am from) is not the answer. That is what protectionism is all about. I actually live in North Cholla Province which has lots of farms. Instead of buying produce at the store, we buy most of our produce from street market vendors (usually little old ladies selling produce) or at traditional markets. The reason why we do this is: 1) Because the produce is cheaper and 2) Because the money is going directly to the farmer rather then the store taking 1/2 or more of the money it costs to buy the item. It certainly is a better way to support farmers then jacking up prices because the country bans imports.

I support Obama, but don't necessarily agree with him on free-trade.

[eridani]

29. What about the artificial subsidies of our government to factory farming?

I think when it comes to food security, any country is entitled to protect it by any means necessary.

[Riley133]

19. Obama wants to increase those visas - at least temporarily (see link)

Here's a Q & A he gave:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/26/qa-with-senator-barack-obama-on-key-technology-issues/

[Faygo Kid]

20. Don't forget the bankruptcy bill. She loved that one, too.

She is a tool of the K Street lobbyists, and we will have more of the same if she steals the nomination at this point.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

21. This is Hillary's "Let them eat cake" moment

She acts as if it would be wrong to be bitter over the shit she has caused!

While she wallows in wealth, she talks about elitism, when she profited off of their
misfortunes?

[Riley133]

22. "With exports, NAFTA benefits Ohio workers much more than it hurts" Cincinnati Enquirer (see link)

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080311/EDIT02/803110318/1090

[eridani]

24. Chamber of Commerce outsourcer thinks it's great

Color me shocked.

[FrenchieCat]

28. The blind will not see. Too busy being "offended"......or rolling up their sleeves,

pushing down their drawers, to take it one more time for the Clinton Team!