Some of you never learn.

[cali]

You just can't resist. First Wright-gate was going to be the end of Obama's candidacy. According to you folks, he couldn't possibly survive! You were jubilant about it. Now we have bitter-gate.
And you're doing the same old song and dance. You'd think you'd learn not to underestimate Senator Obama, but I guess desperation blunts the learning curve, and hope springs eternal in the hearts of Senator Clinton's supporters.

Obama is good at crisis management, even if the crisis is a manufactured one. And though you may hate it, he's got a good slug of political teflon in his make up.

This may or may not hurt him in PA, but it won't sink him. And he'll handle himself with dignity and a degree of integrity. That's more than can be said for Senator Clinton, alas, who has very little dignity left. I'm not so sure that her appetite to exploit this won't backfire. Her eagerness to play throw the kitchen sink hasn't been such a resounding success, and she just isn't very subtle.

So we'll see what the upshot to this thing is, but you really should hold off on the celebrating: Wright was a lot more serious than this, and despite your fervent wishes, Obama survived it.

[ronnykmarshall]

1. OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pirate Smile]

2. Did you stream his townhall? It just ended. He dealt with it great. Hell, yes, people are bitter,

and they are calling Obama out of touch - an elitist - while they freak out about the idea that people might be bitter. The economy sucks. The War sucks. People are pissed - yes, even bitter.

[Adelante]

4. Is there a video?

I would love to see it.

[MadBadger]

8. Go to the Political video forum, its up now.

Obama campaign got around to that quickly.

[Adelante]

13. Great, thanks nt

[Pirate Smile]

20. Here you go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x117373

[WillyT]

37. THAT... Was A Thing Of Beauty !!!

Two birds, meet one stone.

:bounce:

[psychopomp]

95. Dammm

Sen. Obama just earned himself another donation for his campaign from me!

[Forkboy]

3. I'm still waiting for the Rezco stuff that someone was SURE was coming out last week.

And the week before that.

And the week before that.

And the week before that.

And the week before that.

And the week before that.

[sniffa]

10. There's a thread about it in the Hillgeon

It includes Wright too.

It's an article from.. wait for it....... National Review.

[Forkboy]

14. There's a shock. The only ones still thinking about it are RWers and them.

But wait, I'm being redundant. :)

[sniffa]

22. I just noticed your sig

:rofl:

Oh, and :rofl: at your post. :thumbsup:

[cali]

11. oh yeah, rezco house gate

how could I forget about that? Some people are still clinging to it like a well worn blanky.

[PVnRT]

25. It's coming! Really!

Just....wait....

[sniffa]

5. Weird. I haven't seen anything of what you're talking about

:shrug:

But well said. :thumbsup:

[AllentownJake]

6. Shhhh

I don't know if you noticed it or not but his middle name is Hussein

[Catherine Vincent]

7. No one is paying attention.

Everybody already started their weekend.

:boring:

[rug]

9. He didn't offer a single reason how he would be different.

Assuming his analysis was correct in the first place, which it isn't.

People have not been sitting around 25 years waiting for Obama to uplift them. His remarks not only negate and distort the working class, they negate a quarter century of history.

[boston bean]

12. thank god we got cali here to teach us.

:eyes:

[Forkboy]

16. Is that how you take it?

[TahitiNut]

17. The rhetoric of a playground bully with the (presumptive) gang of slack-jawed knuckle-draggers.

You must be so proud to have finally mastered it. :eyes:

[stop the bleeding]

35. To go through life so hateful and bitter - it's just sad.

in a way I feel sorry for you.

[knixphan]

15. Haters will be haters.

Big O prefers the Love-and-teflon combo.

[ruggerson]

18. I don't see much celebrating

I see people discussing the possibly large or possibly negligible fallout.

[Evergreen Emerald]

19. Obama is not going to be affected by anything. The media has his back.

I am certain they will manufacture another catistrophic Clinton thing that will divert the attention of the lemmings.

[cali]

21. that's a convenient excuse

and a simplistic one.

[Evergreen Emerald]

26. and unfortunately, the truth

[cali]

27. no. it's your biased, simplistic opinion.

[Evergreen Emerald]

28. Ya know Cali

You otta look in the mirror if you want to see bias and simple.

[cali]

30. hey, dear. I actually know the difference between opinion and fact

and yes, of course I'm biased. Just not simplistic, and I don't confuse opinion and fact or "truth".

[Evergreen Emerald]

38. I am not your "dear"

Nor am I confused.

[bettyellen]

40. condesention is an everyday thing for some delusional folk here.... strawmen like the bitter remark

allow them to avoid the honest truth of the condesention their candidate is being called out for. cali has her head in the sand- that 's why she posted this pointless drivel. can she post content free? yes she can!

[cali]

47. tut, tut tut

if you're going to call someone out for condescension, please learn how to spell the word- or at least avail yourself of spell-check. And calling people out is verboten. Just a friendly reminder.

:hi:

[bettyellen]

59. cling to your delusions, cal dear. and avoid the issue of equating guns religion and racism

as things others "cling to" . Ooops. don't want to face that bit o ugliness do you?

[cali]

62. keep dissembling, bettylou or bettyjean

or bettywhatever. He said nothing of the sort. And it's clear what that makes you. Your candidate is a lying piece of crap. You're following her less than sterling example.

[bettyellen]

65. i guess skinner and i both think you missed the boat on this one.

becaue your man fucked up big time. makes it look he's not ready for the real campaign.
you're so immersed in your condesending attitude, it ain;t a shock you can;t see it when evryone else does. you are up to you're eyeballs in that lousy attitude. ain;t nothing hopeful about it either.

[backscatter712]

29. The media doesn't have to manufacture anything.

Clinton's perfectly capable of shooting her own foot, thank you.

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[Evergreen Emerald]

41. that is very ugly and deserves to be deleted

And you are wrong. She has done nothing different than Obama. The media is making mountains out of molehills and you are lapping them up because of your hatred.

[mudesi]

23. I'd say her dignity is in the negative territory right now

She has no shame, no morals, no integrity, nothing.

:puke:

[Buzz Clik]

24. I might suggest this as their avatar:

[bettyellen]

32. it's the laundry list, stupid! guns + religion + racism, yeee- haw!

did you miss that part? not manufactured, but a majorly stupid gaffe.

[BumRushDaShow]

33. "First Wright-gate was going to be the end of Obama's candidacy."

Actually, it was Rezko-gate that was supposed to torpedo the candidacy, which was to happen the very day the trial started! Every Clinton supporter under the sun on DU invoked "Rezko Rezko Rezko" and pinky-swore promised and threatened that this was it. This would be the end. That trial started on March 3. Fast-forward to April 12 and :boring:!!

:rofl:

The reality is that someone who would be charged to lead the country with the largest economy in the world ain't gonna have it easy. There will be crises after crises and mini-crises after mini-crises. There is no walk in the park when heading up any entity. Over-analyzing the candidates' discourse and take on the American public provides a smokescreen to acknowleging that BOTH political parties ARE AT FAULT for the state of the U.S. Seriously. The fact that "impeachment is off the table" allowing the criminal cabal free reign and the lack of the Democratic Party's attempts to block repuke crap for 6 years before retaking Congress, is as much at fault as the repukes themselves.

The Democratic Party truly needs to be remade and is currently being challenged and disassembled before our eyes. Doing such is painful and that is being reflected on boards like this. As has been mentioned by some posters, we are fighting for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party and candidates like Obama are putting trial balloons out there that will be useful for developing strategy, not just at the highest levels, but at the state and local levels when it comes to rebuilding the Party from the ground up. The Party IS broken and it needs to be fixed and the sooner we get to it, the better for the long term.

[ginnyinWI]

39. and the other stuff he's survived already:

the allegations of cocaine use/homosexual affair thing.("what was he doing in Chicago??")

the "he's a Muslim look at his clothes" thing.

the "he attended a Madrassa" thing.

the Louis Farakkhan thing.

the plagarism in his speech thing.

the Michelle is proud of America for the first time thing.

various Clintonian attacks that never stuck: the healthcare pamphlet ("shame on you, Barack Obama!"), "Just Words", "Fairy Tale", "Jesse Jackson also won South Carolina", false outrage over him saying she was "likeable enough", their saying he wasn't experienced enough--there must be more that I can't remember right now. They keep throwing it and he keeps batting it back at them.


This is one tough dude. "I'm skinny, but I'm tough" is another true statement!

[BumRushDaShow]

69. Add to that

* He supposedly threw BOTH grandmothers under the bus ("sick grandmother languishing in Hawaii all alone" and "poor grandmother languishing in a hut in Kenya" :eyes:)
* Kindergarten-paper-gate
* Snubgate
*McClurkingate

Kitchen sink (industrial size) is what has happened. The repukes haven't had to do anything - except that McLame did use a snippet of Bill's big mouth talking to another big-mouther Baba Wawa, where Bill heartily endoses McLame as the "most electable". McLame stuck that doozy video right on the front page of his website too.

The Clintons boggle the mind.

[ginnyinWI]

77. thanks--I knew I left some out.

It's really pretty funny when you add them all together in one place. Who do they think they're kidding?

[Divernan]

34. Bitter is as bitter does - and no one does bitter better than HRC

Bill has given her years' worth of reasons to be bitter - the longer she stays with him, the deeper that bitterness eats away at her, under that plastered on exaggerated smile. She's so deep in her own denial of bitterness, I guess she can't see it in anyone else. And her supporters haven't seemed too happy of late either.

[ginnyinWI]

36. when I first heard of this on Tweety last night,

I thought, hm, interesting; I wonder how he's going to turn this one around (they had given me the twisted spun version so it seemed worse than it actually turned out to be, once I read the whole context). I didn't panic, didn't feel nervous. I just knew he'd do something good with it.

So much so, that he may have been just waiting for a chance to make a statement like this. It's a way to bring up the festering anger the working class has had for some time. Bring it to the light of day, force people to look at it, and offer hope for change. It's great politics, if he did it on purpose. If not, he's still using it to best advantage.

Like I said, I never had a moment of fear. He's got what it takes to handle incoming fire.

I know exactly what he's talking about. The economic insecurity is a breeding ground for fear--fear of a lot of things: immigrants, for example. People who are not like you (minorities, gays, what have you). They are drawn to socially conservative ideas because of fear.

[BumRushDaShow]

43. I remember some news special a long time ago

I think on CBS, where they showed a snippet of a chronically unemployed white woman who had just received a welfare check, standing on the porch of her shack of a house, and insisting that the reason for the faltering economy was because of "blacks on welfare". This of course, was before hispanic immigrants became the "in thing" for placing blame.

These sorts of people truly do NOT have anything else to cling to but the narrow issues. They fully deny what has become of them as they have sadly lost all control of their lives - or shall we say, they have stopped trying to regain control because their past efforts are more often than not rewarded with nothing. The landslide for Reagan in 1980 that embraced "trickle down" theory resulted in their being "pissed on" and now left to save face. How they did this was by going into denial and focusing on nonsensical wedge issues in order to eke some sort of "win" out of their efforts. "Better something than nothing at all". Of course this mentality further helped to destroy not only themselves but so many others as a result. To this day, and every single day, I utter the same exasperated statement that asks how these people can continue to "pull that Republican lever".

The problem that I have is that we (editorial "we") are falling into a trap of putting too high an expectation on what is supposed to be a CO-EQUAL branch of our tricameral government. There is NO WAY that the President can solely fix all the problems of the U.S. unilaterally. Sadly, we are setting ourselves up for future failure if we don't somehow diffuse this notion. We as Democrats must fight to change the Congress and the SCOTUS as well in order to help finally break the logjam and allow for some meaningful change to occur. Otherwise, in 2012, we'll be right back where we started.

Somehow, some way, there needs to be some major, tangible benefit that "the public" can receive fairly quickly in exchange for their efforts. Ironically, Bushco's nonsense "rebate check" was an attempt at doing just that. Cake for the lemmings. It will be interesting if someone can come up with something from the Democratic Party that will be a bit more meaningful and not take many many years to provide given the egregious nature of the economy at this point.

[lumberjack_jeff]

42. The problem isn't the primary, It's the general. n/t

[lachattefolle]

45. You said it, but they will miss your point, n/t

[chill factor]

44. thank you, Cali....

and do not take to heart the criticism of your post...some people prefer to stay in the dark recesses of their mind and are happy to dwell there ...others, like us, prefer sunshine and fresh air. Senator Obama can handle anything that is thrown at him...he has proven that time and time, again, during this primary season and will do the same in the GE....he will wipe the floor with McSame...I cannot wait! :bounce:

[Scurrilous]

46. K & R

:thumbsup:

[book_worm]

48. they realize the only way he won't get the nomination is if they can derail him

with their kitchen sink. It won't work.

[mtnsnake]

50. He just derailed himself. Looks to me like Obama doesn't need any help by us

when it comes to botching things. Thank goodness the Goddess of Peace will be our nominee because she's the ONLY candidate of these two who could kick McCain's ass in a general election.

[book_worm]

54. "The Goddess of Peace"?? you mean Hillary who voted for Bush's war?

and show me some proof that she is stronger than Obama in a general election or are you still talking out of your ass?

NC Obama 47 McCain 47, McCain beats Hillary by 11-points
Iowa Obama by four, Hillary loses by 15
Oregon and Washington, Obama wins--Hillary loses.
Colorado, Obama tied with McCain, Hillary behind by double digits
Wisconsin Obama in a statistical dead heat with McCain, Hillary behind by double digits.
Montana Obama within striking distance; Hillary behind by 18-points.

www.rasmussenreports.com

Heck, even Marist poll shows her with a 2-point lead in New York! over McCain.

[proud2BlibKansan]

80. LOL Are they STILL calling her that?

GOP

:rofl:

[mtnsnake]

49. And all you Obama groupies let stuff like Bosnia Gate slide, I suppose

How's the crow tasting today, cali?

[Name removed]

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[cali]

56. what crow?

if you're referrring Obama saying he could have phrased it better, that has nothing to do with my OP, and how does it feel to support someone who uses Grover Norquist to attack a dem? Btw, snaky, I never jumped on Clinton for Bosnia. Just didn't see it as a big deal. Using Norquist to attack Obama? I see that as a big deal. Her Entitledness calling Obama an elitiest? She's disgusting in her willingness to use wingnut frames.

[Clintonista2]

68. (Psst Cali)...

"I don't post hate filled spews about Hillary" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5459045&mesg_id=5460268

"She's disgusting in her willingness to use wingnut frames."
"She's a lying turd"
"She's no better than any piece of shit repuke."


Stop being such a hypocrite.

[cali]

71. As of her embrace of Norquist, that's changed.

Though I still won't start a thread like you, just to spew.

[Clintonista2]

73. Good. Now you can stop pretending that you're "above it all"

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[Clintonista2]

75. I don't claim to be above it all like cali does

[MethuenProgressive]

79. "Words matter," - Deval Patrick

:thumbsup:

[Catherine Vincent]

85. LOL!

[sueragingroz]

92. looks to me like someone just got pwned...

[jackson_dem]

93. OWNED

:thumbsup:

[Tatiana]

52. Bottom line: there are a lot of bitter, frustrated and angry Americans who totally agree with him.

This, like all of the other faux-controversies will backfire on Clinton and McCain.

[knixphan]

81. indeed.

[ClayZ]

53. Keep Watching! (it is not over yet)

Like Swamp Rat says, "Obama poked the snake. Yes he did, and by doing so he set the course of the debate for the coming week. He's a master baiter."





It is kind of like when I went to see Rev Wrights Sermons, .....I got edified for free!

http://www.youtube.com/user/TRINITYCHGO


McSame and Hillary will be the flack catchers again, just you watch.

[stillcool]

55. Jeepers Creepers...

"bitter-gate" is taking manufactured outrage to an entire new level. I read he said "frustrated" too. Gosh, I sure hope the media doesn't get a hold of that.

[Texas Hill Country]

57. what you need to learn is that it may work on DU, it may even work in the primary, that DOES NOT...

mean it works in the GE!!!!

[cali]

64. never said it would, but it's at least an indication

that he knows how to fight right wing slime and lies.

[liberaldem4ever]

58. K & R!

Great post cali! :yourock:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

60. I love how the Hillary fans waver between feigning outrage and "concern"

They can't seem to decide whether or not to be really upset and offended by whatever the latest fauxtrage is. It's either that or "I know what he meant but what will the GOP do with it?"

[Eurobabe]

61. I'd say he effectively defused this in Indiana, and the crowd responded favorably

to the comment and explanation about bitterness.

[cali]

63. He needs to do more

he needs to smash one back at her.

[tokenlib]

67. He needs to repeat what he did last night...

..this morning was a bit too relaxed..

[Tatiana]

94. Gave him a standing "O." n/t

[Tom Rinaldo]

66. There is no cause to celebrate whenever a solid Democrat faces problems

And I consider both Clinton and Obama to be solid Democrats. And you may well be right cali, Obama has risen to the occasion before, but in the realm of politics this is not a manufactured crisis, it is a self inflicted one, but one from which Obama may very well fully heal.

These are them moments primary campaigns are made of. Usually in a primary, and I think this one fits the norm, voters are asked to chose between two or more strong candidates within the same Party. Part of what makes a candidate "Strong" is their ability to avoid self inflicted wounds, but more important than that is their ability to recover quickly from any and all wounds no matter what the origin.

Had Obama steam rolled to a relatively quick and easy victory after Iowa, blowing Clinton away in NH and beating her in California to finish her chances off, I would have felt uneasy about counting on Obama to hold up under the storms of the General Election campaign against the Republicans. If Obama emerges from this extended primary season as our nominee, after all that both he and Clinton have had to go through, I will have sufficient confidence in him as our candidate to be confident of our victory in November.

We have seen what happens when an embarrassing revelation comes out regarding Obama; his pastor's controversial comments. Now we will see what happens when Obama himself makes an inadvertently controversial comments. These things happen to all politicians in the withering glare of the national spotlight. The most important thing to know is how well they hold up under it.

[quakerboy]

70. First?

Snub gate was before Wright gate. I heard say that was the end for Obama. Rezco was before Wrightgate. That was supposed to torpedo him. Hell. He is black gate and He is democratic gate came before it all, those were supposed to keep him out of even the senate, much less the presidency.

It must kill his opponents that he shrugs off all of their antiquated "death blows". Its what happens when you attack a brick wall with a rusty pocket knife.

[cornermouse]

72. Look around cali.

No one is really jubilant about Obama's mistake. And if the people on DU had any smarts they'd stop using the word "bitter" because they are repeating and compounding the mistake.

[BumRushDaShow]

76. You see what you want to see. n/t

[cornermouse]

78. As do you. n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

82. Exactly. Which is why your argument fails.

[cornermouse]

83. Go ahead and charge off the cliff then.

Obviously I can't stop you from alienating half the party and a good portion of the voting population.

[cali]

84. take a look at Hillary's negatives

She's hopelessly disliked by over half the country. Her negatives only go up.

[cornermouse]

87. If it makes you feel better,

I'll agree that Hillary has a lot of negatives. The republicans have used all their ammo against her. They've made sure everyone in the U.S. knows everything negative about her that there is to know in their endless vendetta to destroy Bill Clinton.

Obama also has negatives, one of which he did to himself and if he gets the nomination the republicans are going to pull out all the dirt they've already collected on him. Think back to Vince Foster, Ron Brown, Travelgate, and all the other scandals and lies they invented out of whole cloth because that's what is going to happen to whoever we nominate.

[cali]

89. LOL! Yes, of course. Hillary is utterly blameless

and responsible for nothing and everything is all Obama's fault. Pathetic.

[cornermouse]

90. Cali, you need to get away from DU

for a while and regain your perspective. I did not say Hillary was blameless nor did I say that everything is Obama's fault. You're reading things that simply aren't there.

[cali]

91. you said that her unfavorability was entirely due to circumstances

beyond her control. you further said that his unfavorability was all his fault. You need to stop the perpetual victim crap.

[BumRushDaShow]

86. How would I, an anonymous internet poster, "alienate[sic] half the party"?

The problem is that the Clintons (and yes they are a 2-fer) have alienated the nation, not just those in the Democratic Party.

Obama has consistently been shown to attract indies and dissatisfied repukes, and I live near the border of a county full of them. It is wonderous to see them with Obama signs on their lawns. Who would have ever thought? And these are not Limpball repukes attempting to skew the results of the primary here because why bother with the effort of putting out lawn signs if you're only going to vote and then change back and vote repuke in the GE? No, these people are serious.

[Bonobo]

88. The thing that Clinton can NOT ever understand is that when you don't have a pot to piss in...

You tend not to give a shit about stuff like this.

Further proof that SHE is the out-of-touch elitist.

She doesn't get it. That should be the campaign slogan.