All you Weak Democrats, get out of the Way! We are going to be talking truth from this point on!

[FrenchieCat]

If you are not going to make it possible for our candidates to have an honest discussion with the American people during election time, after 8 fucked up years of having to deal with the likes of George Bush, then get out of the MFcking way.
The time is done for threading softly while wearing your pink TuTus.

The American people have plenty to be bitter about!
And yes, our government has been sucking for years and years now.
If you think that some can't handle these truths, then you don't know the American people.

Since you've been cowed into worrying about what the Republicans think First, sounds like you've got a bigass problem; namely, that you are exactly the type of Democrat that will lose us the election in November.

You'll fight dirty in attacking a politicians on petty nothings if you must, but you don't want the American people to have a real discussion about the truth. You follow the media around like they are your mother, hanging onto their every word as though they made you; as they tell you what to think and what to be outraged about.
Face it! You are weak!

So please get out of the way.....because you are not part of the solution to our problems,
but instead, you are a bigass part of the problem.

We, the brave Fighting Democrats are BITTER AND we know it, and no amount of fretting and drama coming from you is going to make us forget it!

YES, We are.........
Bitter for paying for a war that should have never been fought.
Bitter to watch our Soldiers fall in vain.
Bitter to know that homeless soldiers exists.
Bitter for all of the cuts made to our education system.
Bitter for being fleeced by predatory lenders.
Bitter by watching CEO make more in a year than most Americans make in a lifetime.
Bitter for watching jobs being shipped overseas via NAFTA and CAFTA and CHINA Trade, etc....
Bitter for China owning us in so many ways.
Bitter watching our politicians play gotcha politics that solves nothing, and a willing paid media that helps them do it.
Bitter because our media dwells on non news and keeps from us from knowing what we should know.
Bitter for watching our Civil liberties being chipped away bit by big bit.
Bitter in watching the cost of college education go sky high.
Bitter for what we have to pay in medical premiums, if we can even afford insurance.
Bitter that dental coverage is not part of "medical".
Bitter because we cannot save any money, although we are told that this is what we do be doing.


And you know what else?


WE ARE READY FOR A MOTHERFUCKING CHANGE!


Yes we are, and Yes we can!

Now, go hide, Weak Democrats....we'll let you know when the danger has passed, and when it safe for you to come out and start talking shit about nothing again.

Fighting Democrats, it's time to write to the media. Let them know how bitter you are, and why what Sen. Obama said is exactly how you feel. WE are tired of the media elitist telling us how we should feel and piling on those who speak for us.

[Adelante]

1. YES YES YES

WE ARE READY FOR A MOTHERFUCKING CHANGE!

[madfloridian]

2. Great post.

:hi:

[Johnny Battleground]

329. Not so great post.... Emotional but weak...

...Because it failed to address the real weakness. Obama.

He spoke a fine game had soaring rhetoric and then we had in succession: Wright, Michelle, Rezko, and now this.
His entire foundation was blown apart by his longtime association with Wright.
The contradiction is too great, and his lapses too unbelievable.

So I'm one bitter camper. Why? Because a weak and flawed candidate made it this far.
Edwards was 10 times the candidate Obama is, but the vetting of Obama came too late.
The questions came too late.
Now the shit is in the pants.

I'm not bitter, I'm pissed.
Really, really pissed.
Ultra bitter.

Obama will get no passes when the real battle begins.
He's weak, and that's the problem.
Huge.

[muryan]

331. the one point you've missed

Hes still winning despite all that. So who's really weak....Obama or the people he's beating?

[JeanGrey]

357. A weak and flawed candidate? Pray tell, how many lies

does Hillary need to tell to be "weak and flawed?" Now tell me all about how it isn't her fault.

[JayFredMuggs]

363. Deal with it, your white woman who is a LIAR is NOT our choice

Get your act together, figure out if four more years of MCSame is what you want, otherwise, get over it.

You Hillary supporters are such whiners...........such angry losers.

[Johnny Battleground]

366. Think this through...

Remember the initial thread stated that weak democrats should piss off.
I thought it was a message to Obama... because...

... Obama does not have a prayer.
On our side OK, he'll score votes, but our side isn't enough to win.
Obama had a three legged stool he was using to surge ahead.
1. Hope
2. Change
3. Unity

The emergence of Wright knocked them all out with a vast majority of voters we need to win.
Obama made a nice speech about race but did not address the issue of Wright.
This lecturing pissed off a lot of people. It's something that sticks.
Obama sat in that church for 20 years. People we need to win over aren't buying his "I didn't hear it" crapola.

You don't here Hope, Change or Unity anymore. I wonder why.
Obama is sitting on the floor with the legs of his stool kicked out from under him.
Now what?

His wife echoed Wright in her statements. Not good with the swing voters we need.
Rezko hasn't been brought up much, but it looks bad.
His latest guns and church as a crutch bit also adds to the lead sinking his ship.

If Obama wins the nomination, McCain wins.
Obama is badly damaged, and has a thin record.
So, getting over it is something you have to do.

Obama should have been vetted.
He built up a big lead... OK, but then the dogs were released, and they got red meat.

Now what? Send out Mr. Weak, a guy who hasn't a prayer?

[KAZ]

3. K and FN R

[DJ13]

4. WooT!

DAMN RIGHT!

[Evergreen Emerald]

5. too bad we don't have a leader

[KAZ]

7. Shove it.

[K Gardner]

15. Get out of the way.

[sniffa]

65. I agree. Ignored, should be ignored

:hi:

[Window]

23. Speak for yourself. YOU don't have a leader. WE DO.

[FrenchieCat]

26. You might not have one, and that's your problem......

maybe you should leave it to those who say what they mean, instead of those who will say anything.

[Bensthename]

31. Move out of the way you dirty... OK never mind, that's too much.

[Tarheel_Dem]

63. you are nothing, if not predictable...nt

and the epitome of that weak ass democrat as cited in the o.p. :eyes:

[chill factor]

86. hillary is a manager and she doesn't do that well....

Senator Obama, on the other hand, is a leader!!!!!!!

He has vision, he can see the bigger picture, he can think out-of-the box (he certainly proved THAT this evening), he is a communicator, he establishes trust through his remarkable ability to position himself on the right side of the people's concerns, he takes charge, he empowers others, he is courageous, he is daring, he is imaginative, he is acknowledging and shares our uncertainty, he embraces error and learns from his mistakes, he is interpersonally competent (listens, nutures, copes with value conflicts), he makes his position very clear,he has the capaicty to translate intentions into reality, he is committted and credible, he is....but you get the idea...none of these are qualities that either hillary or mcsame possess...

[Evergreen Emerald]

210. he is not a leader. He is a good speaker

He waits to see how other people have decided before he takes a stand. He is not a leader.

[Kittycat]

219. Sorry - you're wrong again. Hillary can't even take the lead and run her own campaign.

It's clear she'd be a miserable failure as a president.

[Evergreen Emerald]

221. He votes "present" or pretends he is sick, so he does not have to make a decision

He waited for the fall out of Clinton's position on the Olympics. He has no stance that is his own. He depends fully on what others tell him, becasue he does not have the depth of knowledge that Clinton has.

It is a shame that Americans are so superficial that we just go for the one who talks perrty.

[Kittycat]

225. Again showing your ignorance on IL politics.

But it's no surprise that you'll just take the spoonful of BS clinton gives you. I suggest you read Skinner's thread - the bold at the end is quite enlightening. Although I'm sure you're blind to the truth.

[Evergreen Emerald]

226. No. I am not blind to the truth

I read lots. I see reality. I am not fooled by the distortion. I take a critical eye to the media.

(What thread)

[Laurab]

270. This one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5447295&mesg_id=5447295

[Binka]

284. I Read Lots!

OH. MY. FUCKING. GOD. I read lots! Jebus!

[muryan]

332. Apparently not enough

or you wouldn't make such a woefully ignorant post.

[D23MIURG23]

336. Rhetoric inspires action. Rhetoric is power.

Hillary doesn't have it, and she also doesn't have any political courage. So who is the clear choice?

[PatGund]

106. I'm sorry you feel that way.

[kikiek]

109. Sounds good to me! No more free rides for Obama. Truth will be told!

[bahrbearian]

174. You are right

Its is a shame, that a constitutional professor like Obama doesn't understand "Impeachment"
But can lecture on consitution.

[otohara]

258. Not Yet, But Soon

we will, that is if the democrats don't shoot themselves in the foot again and allow petty shit like this to divide us.

[roguevalley]

278. take your hate to americablog.com and watch the video to see how

people are taking your gal's spew.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

6. its Hillary's "Let them eat cake" moment

and we need to hammer that in. Folks have been suffering and bitter for a long time.

Rich people like Hillary don't understand that, she's never been without or had to worry
about health care, money, education or such.

[AllentownJake]

8. WE ARE MAD AS HELL

SO WE ARE GOING TO THE TODAY SHOW AND....

Wait no..we are going to MAKE SOME FUCKING CALLS TO PA, IN, NC. We are going to canvas these states and donate and and close the Mother Fucking deal.

[progressive_realist]

9. K&R

I have nothing to add.

:kick:

[K Gardner]

10. I am so absolutely FIRED UP AND READY TO GO after watching Obama's response I

am about to jump out of my skin. I love his fire, I love his truth, I love his promise..

YES WE CAN !!

[Bensthename]

11. Singing it Frenchie. I totally agree. There are certain people holding back dem progress.

Yes We Can..

[classykaren]

347. Yes WE Can n/t

[Hawkeye-X]

12. Glad to give you the K & R, Frenchie. You have said what I think all the time.

The way our IT venture is slowing down so much, barely any work for us to fix computers. So we're taking on a new business that has been slow in growing, and could get new monies if it wasn't for people losing their jobs, but it's paying the bills right now.

I am also on SSDI, which barely helps thanks to Chimp's idea of COLA to being around 2% raises, when it needs to be much more, like 40-50% annual COLA raises.

Wife works, and she really does not want to work.

So hell yes, I am a purple state ready to go fuckin' blue - Colorado is losing jobs like crazy and being offshored to other states for cheap wages. Hello?

And hell yes, I'm bitter.

Hawkeye-X

[PatGund]

103. You know.....

My support for Sen. Obama has always been a case of "it's a bad lot, but he's the least objectionable".

Not after his response tonight. Damn if I don't feel optimistic that if anyone can lead us out of this mess, he can.

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[JeffR]

14. You go, Frenchie!

Damn right!

[DemBones DemBones]

16. The way you say that, it seems that you have been lying up to this point.

Interesting.

[BumRushDaShow]

17. K&R

:kick:

[Lou Queb]

18. If you want to change, do something now, be activists !

It's time for you to bring about a new left, the world needs you.

[NanceGreggs]

19. I wish I could compliment you appropriately ...

... on this piece - but I am truly speechless.

:toast: :bounce: :wow: :thumbsup: :kick: :dem: :loveya: :hug: :grouphug: :pals: :headbang: :yourock: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

Thank God for our lil' emoticon friends - they can sometimes be used to express the absolute JOY we feel when we read something like this.

[ColbertWatcher]

20. Time for truth!

Or truthiness in our favor!

[bigbrother05]

21. Hell Frenchiecat, you should be

a warm up speaker for Obama
Fired Up

[Faygo Kid]

22. YES WE CAN and YES WE WILL

[KAZ]

24. "Get out of the way". Your post should be our anthem!

[rug]

34. Don't forget, "Fighting Democrats, it's time to write to the media."

I'm running right out to buy blue paperclips too. Then I'll email the media!

By golly!

[lander]

83. CUT THE RUG.

What? I'm just talking about dancing.

[me b zola]

116. Or, the rug just cut the cheese

...but we're becoming accustomed to the stench of dirty carpet. Quick, grab the Frabreze!

[rug]

122. Make sure you and lander pick up your toys before you leave.

Oh, and it's poor form to misspell while acting like an imbecile.

[lander]

138. I meant to leave them.

Take them; they're a gift for you. Just -- please -- don't take them out to the woods and burn them like you did last time.

[me b zola]

252. But you didn't misspell anything

So you are in good imbecilic form.

[Cali_Democrat]

25. Woot Woot!!!

Nice post

:thumbsup:

[goldcanyonaz]

27. That MOTHERFUCKING CHANGE! is HILLARY for me.

[MercutioATC]

30. But Hillary doesn't believe people are angry...she thinks they're optimistic...

...rolling up their sleeves and all...


How is that change?

[goldcanyonaz]

33. Hillary or no one for me.

[KAZ]

36. Then GET OUT OF THE WAY.

[Hoof Hearted]

77. Is that the politics of hope? or unity you're spreading there?

[KAZ]

80. Yes, the HOPE that you will soon get off this board.

You're about as relevant as a hangnail.

[Hoof Hearted]

89. Wow, the sentiment of unity and inspiration is just overwhelming!

[KAZ]

91. You're not getting it. I'd rather stick needles in my eyes..

.. than unify with a whack-job.

[Hutzpa]

137. And what a whack job they are proving

to be every F***ing day.

[Hoof Hearted]

286. Nobody's stopping you.

[40ozDonkey]

215. Unity doesn't tolerate ballot box blackmail. n/t

[me b zola]

121. No, that's the clouds parting....

...then gathering again once they get a glimpse of you & camp clinton--to rain, sleet, and hail all over you. Then the celestial choirs will sing.

How freaking dare you suggest that hope and unity are a good thing after you have backed Hillary who has openly mocked those very concepts. Step off.

[stillcool]

362. Yes it is! ..

300 million people can do something, as long as we get rid of the dead weight!

[Name removed]

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[kevinmc]

43. *News Flash* Mr/Mrs 'Hillary or no one for me.' .......

We will get in done without you whimps.

[MercutioATC]

51. It's unfortunate that some put a person above the ideals of the party,

but that's your right.

If Obama is the nominee and you choose to support the party's candidate, I won't ever hold your current loyalties against you.


If you choose not to, you'll have to deal with that decision yourself.



Regardless of the outcome of the primaries, I'll vote for the Dem because even Clinton, regardless of how much I dislike her, is better than McCain.

[JBoy]

69. Ciao, you're already in our rearview mirror.

[lander]

84. What will you do about your hypocritical sigline? n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

145. An absolutist?

[Mrspeeker]

302. I love winner take all !!!

Ah yes...No compromise, just one solution...its so very democratic?

[earthlover]

365. I guess it's your way or you cry and pout and lock yourself in your room

Typical Hillary Herd member.

[Lou Queb]

47. Isn't Mrs Clinton a chaiman of the DLC, that's center-right democrats right ?

[newmajority]

73. How is it "change" if you continue the same bullshit that's been going on for 28 years?

:shrug:

[fascisthunter]

288. that's not much of a change

[BlueIdaho]

28. Hell Yes

If we are afraid of drawing clear distinctions between the Democratic and republican party we don't deserve to win an election. If we are afraid of making a stand because the republicans will disagree with us we don't deserve to win an election. If we decide its best to go along to get along we don't deserve to win an election. Its time someone starts telling truth to power and today was a good start.

[raebrek]

203. I agree n/t

[DerekJ]

220. Well said BlueIdaho!! Well said my friend.

[JoFerret]

29. All rant, no reality

All pose, no progress.

[DevonRex]

32. K&R and I'll do it. :) n/t

[Ronnie]

35. You're probably going to need one of these:

[Freedomofspeech]

37. Excellent post...

thank you.

[Bensthename]

38. I see this rocketing to the top of the Greatest Threads. Like it should.

[Bensthename]

186. And it did.. Fantastic.

[cliffordu]

39. AMEN. FRENCHIECAT!!!! AMEN!!!

K&R!!!!


:kick:

[boston bean]

40. He was explaining why people in PA won't vote for him. And the answer aint gonna work

he basically called them bitter racists.

[scheming daemons]

50. Like Harry Truman, he just told the truth on 'em...

[KAZ]

56. Get a brain, moran. He told them to not be played.

[evolvingsteve]

154. You are seriously down that road?

and yet again, some idiot is trying to bring "Race" into it, is there a fucking deck of "Race Cards" that are being passed around to all the ultra Feministic woman to play with???, jesus, and the game is "whatever it takes" for you psychos to get a woman elected, right?....

it takes a moron to spin racism with this story and the word "Bitter".....

....people like you are so "bitter" that you choose to spin anything that the media trumps up....you just have no shame in the end, which makes sense since you choose to neglect Hillary's lying mentality and everything else she's blows out of context.

[burythehatchet]

181. they BUILT That road

[1776Forever]

41. Oh Baby am I feeling it!!!! I am marching right next to you! Keep vigilant!!!!

Talk about Rocky - Ain't never seen no Rocky like these!!!!!

Don't miss my call to email the MSM and tell them NOT THIS TIME!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5462760&mesg_id=5462760

[ampad]

42. Hell yes Frenchie

Move the fuck out of the way and let those who dare speak the truth do this. Yes we can!

[PerfectSage]

44. I HEAR YA! I'M READY FOR A MOTHERFUCKING CHANGE!

[bigwillq]

45. Who are these weak democrats

you are talking about here? :shrug:

[Cali_Democrat]

46. Don't play dumb

it makes you look foolish

[bigwillq]

52. I want answers

Not too much to ask...I am wondering who the OP thinks is weak.

I can assume and say Hillary but the OP used the plural form (Democrats)...just wondering what the OP thinks.

That's all! :hi:

[JohnnyLib2]

93. Well, no answers after 90 or so minutes.

:shrug:

[kdpeters]

169. If you don't know, then you are one.

I guess that ends our business here. It ends mine at least.

[burythehatchet]

183. the middle way, the DLC, the appeasers, the people on my ignore list

[silverweb]

48. Say it, FrenchieCat!

:woohoo: :applause:


Yes, We Can!

GObama! GObama!

[Faygo Kid]

49. Yes We Will. Again and again.

[Renaissance Man]

53. Thanks Frenchie!

Thanks for being honest.

Sometimes, I'm not sure if voters are more interested in having people speak to them and make them feel as if though everything is A-OK, and not really understand that the same people that are pandering to them are those that are harming them most by the policies they've implemented.

A part of me wishes that I could just film all of the American communities that have been decimated by back-door trade deals (all of the closed textile mills and steel mills, etc.), attacks on public education, declining tax bases, failing small mom and pop businesses (because Wal-Mart invades their communities), all because politicians (Democrats and Republiccans) pandered to them to make them feel that everything was A-OK.

Obama called both of the $100+ millionaires on their bullshit, and this is going to give him yet another opportunity to expose them.

[doublethink]

54. Excellent !

:kick:

[rug]

55. "We, the brave Fighting Democrats are BITTER AND we know it"

There's a stirring slogan.

[KAZ]

58. Get out of the way.

[rug]

60. No. Get me a Pepsi.

[lander]

139. You really ought to lay off the high fructose corn syrup.

Oh... and...

CUT THE RUG!

:nopity:

[JohnnyLib2]

57. Deja vu -- Abby Hoffman, SNCC, Yippies, Chicago '68......

didn't work out so well at that time. Do you think Mr. and Mrs. Middle America (D) are ready for this approach?

[Lou Queb]

59. You never know...let's try out the approach of trying and starting off somewhere

It could work, but we must work

[KAZ]

61. Sorry asshole, yes I'll go with that group. You can hang with..

Dick Morris, O'Really, and FOX.

[JohnnyLib2]

64. Hardly.

[TBF]

104. It isn't working their way - they voted for Bush/Cheney

So, yes, we can & yes, we MUST get out of dem lite and fight for REAL change.

[mopinko]

105. i got a feeling you don't even know what happened in chicago.

here's a hint- it was a police riot. it was not the hippies, who were peacefully assembled as is their right under the constitution. and they were attacked by the police. read up and get back to us. you'll enjoy the rest of the story, too.

[JohnnyLib2]

159. My memories are pretty clear about antiwar protests in those days.

I was at others, though not Chicago. No disagreement about the police riots. The bottom reason for my comment was that the Republican, Nixon, was elected. The harsh rhetoric from our side didn't bring GE results.

[Willo]

131. Step to the left Deja

[burythehatchet]

184. Revolution now

[newmajority]

62. YES WE MOTHERFUCKING CAN!!

For some reason, the word "motherfucking" just sounds good tonight. Not sure why.

Hey O'Reilly.... Get me some more motherfucking ice tea!! :evilgrin:

[bagimin]

66. I think I feel a donation comming on

Oh honey wheres the Visa?

[AtomicKitten]

67. It's pretty breathtaking watching Hillary run like a Republican against Barack.

It is almost as if she has a tacit accord with the perpetrators of the vast rightwing conspiracy when she kissed the ring of Scaife and with the access she gives slime like Drudge and Faux News. It is almost as if she choreographs her attacks on Barack with the wingnuts.

When he stands as the Democratic nominee, nobody can say he didn't earn it. He's taking them both on barely breaking a sweat.

Looking forward to Barack delivering a long overdue GOP ass-kicking in November.

K&R

[TwilightGardener]

70. Yep--that's been her tactic for a while now. Obama gets to run two versions

of a general election, apparently.

[OwnedByFerrets]

68. OMG!!!! OMG, great farking post!!!

Thank you so much!!!!!

[mmm413]

71. We do have a leader

Unfortunately, we also have a corrupt electoral system. So. Who knows? The right person who wants to take this country back to where it should be or the corruptors who don't give a shit? Who has the power? Who has the voting machines? It's not the people. I firmly believe that if there is any question about this next election being fair, there will be an uprising and, hopefully, another revolution that Jefferson said we should have. Our Founding Fathers had no intention of things being static (contrary to Scalia). They fully expected there to be changes a/k/a revolutions in approximately every generation. They put their lives and fortunes on the line and they would consider us (we, the people) as being weinies (sorry, I couldn't think of another word) for going along to get along with Bush & Co. This is not the country they envisioned. Most of the Founding Fathers were merchants or professionals of some sort and risked their lives, their livelihood and their families to give us a country we've just thrown away in eight years. Jeeze. That's less time between the Revolutionary War, the Contintental Congress and George Washington's election!!!! God. If they weren't already dead, they'd want to be.

[Lou Queb]

75. But that's that, we could lament forever and think about the forefathers spinning in their graves...

thing is the present matters. I'd like to know how we could really change things, what are the odds, to what extent can we change this stitic state.

[Hoof Hearted]

72. You are absolutely intoxicated at the prospect of being a bully, aren't you?

Of the many disappointments this season will bring, rubbing Obama's ultimate defeat in your face (a.k.a. I told you so) is sure to provide at least one fleeting moment of vindication.

Better put me on ignore now, so you don't have to hear it.

[Name removed]

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[Hoof Hearted]

291. Ah, more warmth and wisdom from the jack-booted footsoldiers of hope and unity.

[evolvingsteve]

335. let's get one thing straight here

If your going to preach to us Obama supporters about how to exercises Hope and Unity, maybe you should start with your own campaign first! This piece that was written obviously states that we have been trying to get you Hillary supporters to join us in Unity but instead, you all choose to take the low road by spinning anything you can get your hands on to further divide us. Either join us with "Unity" or get the fuck out of the way, that's really what it comes down to.
Before you start preaching morals to the ones that have started this message in the first place, apply them to yourself and Hillary's campaign first.
(that goes for you to Clinton, stop the spinning and understand the meaning behind what Obama was trying to get at.)


:toast:

[Binka]

189. Dupe

[WillyT]

74. A-FUCKING-MEN, CAT !!! - K & R !!!

WE ARE THE CHANGE WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!

:bounce::woohoo::bounce:

:yourock:

[workinclasszero]

76. Most Americans are righteously PISSED OFF!

Our government has been screwing the average citizen since the rethuglcans got control of Congress, years ago.

They made Jesus a republican and any who opposed their war against the poor and middle class a heathen, an anti american traitor.

What we have witnessed is a fascist take-over of our government, pure and simple. Wrapped in the flag and soaked in the blood of farm-boys and poor city kids with no other future available to them except fighting and dying for Dick Cheney's bank account.

When they took over, America had small or no deficits, a surplus of good paying jobs for all and we were not invading and threating countries to force "democracy" on them either.

Look what Bush and his party have done! My God, its so sad!

Its enough to make a sane person weep. They have destroyed most of the good things in this country and set us on the road to ruin.

I believe they have finally destroyed Social Security and Medicaid. Its probably to late to save them now. So a long cherished rethug dream has come true.

Everything is failing now. Jobs, housing, stock market, the recession takes its grip around our throats as the price of food and gas spiral out of control.

Higher education is just a dream to many now and even many jobs that require a collage education are being out sourced overseas.

The only political hope I have left Is Barack Obama and his movement. I hope he gets his chance.

There is no other politician that gives a damn about the average american.

Hillary and her husband take blood money from south american fascists to run their campaign and rammed NAFTA down our throats. They are the problem not the solution.

We live in interesting times....:rant:

[TheDonkey]

78. Wait. Are you telling me you'd rather not have politicians spew the same old tired PC soundbytes???

[Duder]

79. Bravo FrenchieCat!

The Authenticity of Obama's Leadership
http://www.boggscenter.org/ideas/fresh-ideas/fi-03-01-08_authenticity_obamas_leadership.shtml

[thoughtcrime1984]

81. DAMN STRAIGHT!!!!!!

k/r

[Cali_Democrat]

82. 76 Recs in less than 2 hours!!!

FrenchieCat once again proves herself to be an elite poster on this board that speaks for TRUE Democrats. This post was a fucking HOME RUN!!



:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[sofa king]

85. Um, yeah. About that truth.

There are a few things I'd like to know about as long as we're talking truth.

* Why no impeachment?

* Why vote for the war, for torture, and for shitcanning our privacy?

* Are our Presidential candidates getting illegal funding from the same Saudis who supported the terrorists, like Georgie did and nobody wants to ask about?

* Who's gonna pay for this war? This economic depression? Bailing out the people who caused it?

* Who financed September 11, and are you willing to support the death penalty in the case of George Bush and Dick Cheney if they were involved?

* If McCain doesn't get close enough to steal it, are our people going to use the same trick to keep stealing it themselves?

See? We don't really want to talk about the truth, either.

[Hamlette]

87. Thank you! I feel more and more estranged from Hillary as this goes on

I can't believe she "heard" Obama's statement and found it condescending.

Who IS this woman? She's not who I thought she was.

(I'm pretty pissed about Hillary and her spokespersons picking at the Wright scab among other things.)

[baldguy]

88. This is a very old idea.

"Lead, follow, or get out of the way." - Thomas Paine, 1776

[Steely_Dan]

90. Geeze...You're Some...

kind of whack-job, aren't you?

-P

I normally don't call people names, but you have earned it.

-P

[Kokonoe]

95. She sounds bitter, lol.

If you are not going to make it possible to have an honest discussion, then this post is about you.

[Steely_Dan]

115. Do You Actually Want...

an honest discussion. Because I'm game if you are.

-P

[Steely_Dan]

129. Well, I guess not...

[ampad]

240. An honest discussion from someone who calls

folks names. It's not a wonder no one wants to have an "honest discussion" with you. :eyes:

[Steely_Dan]

297. Yesh...as I said in my post...

I normally don't do that. So I apologize.

Now, do you want to talk?

-P

[Name removed]

92. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Beregond2]

94. Maybe

the best post I have ever read here. Thanks!

[TexanDem]

96. Bravo speech! Standing ovation!! :)) K&R

[TexanDem]

97. (edited) oops -- posted in duplicate. Sorry. Still -- great speech! :)

[westcott]

98. Have I told you lately

how much you totally kick ass? :D

Once you're done washing your filthy mouth out with soap, I'll tell you again. You kick ass! :D

[PatGund]

99. Oh HELL YES!!!

Kicked and frakking recommended!

[celophan012]

100. You are ignoring other parts of Obama's comments

Obama said people without jobs cling to religion.

Is religion bad? Do employed people not cling to religion?

There is more to Obama's comment than the "bitter" part.

[evolvingsteve]

160. doesn't surprise me...

....and we have, yet, another "spinner" that loves to take what Obama says out of context, getting pretty desperate I see....
Don't worry, you'll get over Hillary not being the frontrunner sooner or later, I'm sure of it, unless of course you choose McCain in the end, which wouldn't surprise me either from a person like you.






:banghead:

[SoFlaJet]

193. there's some excellent new posters here

welcome Steve

[evolvingsteve]

327. !

Thank you so much!


:hippie:

[Binka]

191. Go Play With My Little Pony

6 year olds aren't welcome here. Have a blessed day. :hi:

[Kajsa]

213. Celophane, WHERE EXACTLY did he say that?

Here is the direct quote from the transcript,

"And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families
and things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington."

Not even close!

I realize you are a newbie here, but you will see that if you claim
someone SAID something- we will look for the direct quote.

That animal doesn't exist here.

So please, no more false claims, OK?

[JBoy]

227. Too late, he's already TS'd. Perhaps wrapped in cellophane for freshness.

[Kajsa]

234. ----

LOL- :)

[Sander]

295. Time for you to learn a bit about logical argumentation

People without jobs, people losing their homes, people sick and without medical insurance, hungry desperate people; often do turn to religion when there is appears to be no other solution. "Please G_d, help me." That doesn't mean that ONLY desperate people turn to religion. That is a non-sequitor..

It would be like saying that since all dogs are animals, it follows then that all animals are dogs.

[evolvingsteve]

312. I love it!

....it's obviously clear the high intelligence within an Obama supporter when debating or within argumentation.....Hillary supporters seem to be seething so much over her not having this nomination handed to her like they expected that now they SHAKE with anger as thay TRY to find SOMETHING they can distort or bring out of context.

VERY Well said, SANDER! :applause:

Some of these Hillary supporters need to gain some dignity and at least try harder to prevent us from debunking the spinning of their accusations....morons.

Come on Hillary supporters, as you hide behind Hillary's cloak of lies and distortion, at least try to make her look better! :rofl:

p.s.
and might I add, if a Hillary supporter is going to start giving lessons on the message of HOPE we've brought to this campaign to Obama supporters, maybe they should start with their OWN campaign and morals first....very contradicting....it's like hearing a murderer preach to you how bad it is to kill.... :evilfrown:

PEACE:hippie:

[ClassWarrior]

101. Frenchie, you're my newest DU hero.

calimary... Symbolman... Pitt... etc... and now FrenchieCat.

:yourock:

NGU.

[Kurovski]

102. No more cognitive dissonance, thank you all the same!

No more horseshit, either!

K&R.

[mopinko]

107. righteous rant, frenchie.

yes we can.

[rodeodance]

108. Promise?---I have seen very little truth in your posts. Vile smears for the most part

[K Gardner]

110. Nearly 100 recs. Who agrees with you? ... Get Out of The Way.

[rodeodance]

179. I am not a sheepie

[FrenchieCat]

111. You haven't seen truth in my posts, cause you wouldn't know the truth

it if hit you upside your head.


Step aside, you are in our way.

[rodeodance]

370. "Step aside, you are in our way"

Step aside, you are in our way.

[Forkboy]

113. Says the one who recs Newsmax and Hannity threads about Obama.

[burythehatchet]

185. snap

[ekwhite]

112. Damn straight! N/T

[Cha]

114. But, but, but, this is

ShangriLa! At least, hilary, mccain, and the m$$$m would have you believe.

Why else would cnn's lou dobbs have a poll like this?..

"Do you believe that Senator Barack Obama's comments reveal his elitist attitude toward every hardworking American?"

It's not as though we haven't had the worst "decider" in history presiding over the bully pulpit for the last 8 years with the corporatewhoremedia running the show.. business as usual.

They should fucking get down on their knees and thank their lucky stars someone like Obama has come along to get them outta the shithole they dug for the country.

[here_is_to_hope]

117. 101st, proudly....luv ya Frenchie! n/t

[Rage for Order]

118. Will the change help Typical White People too? n/t

[FrenchieCat]

124. As long as you have stepped aside, most likely.......

Watch CNN report on it and weep! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8dRMofHNs&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/11/235050/410/205/494075

[Rage for Order]

126. Did he ever tell us what a Typical White Person was like?

I'd also like to hear what a Typical Black Person is like, a Typical Asian Person, Typical Hispanic Person...I'd like to see if I'm in the mainstream with my whiteness, or if I'm more atypical

[Tarheel_Dem]

134. Whatever your ethnicity, I'd say you're probably "atypical"...

:eyes:

[Binka]

195. You Sound Like A Typical Dolt

Rage for Order? Nobody rages for order.

[SwampG8r]

149. a contortion of his background

frenchy thank you
and thanks again for the cnn piece
after a spanking like that i dont think that they will go to this well twice
a unanimous panel on cnn that agrees hillary is once again
WRONG
the way they laughed at hillary's speech, more than any other single thing, tells me it is over for her.
and they all came to the defense of the FACTS, which of course will favor Obama

[cliffordu]

119. KICKED JUST BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT POST!!!!

:kick:






:patriot:

[ZinZen]

120. Fire on Frenchiecat!

[me b zola]

123. Frenchie!

:applause:

[SunsetDreams]

125. ohhhhhhhhh LAWD HAVE MERCY!!!

Yesssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!

Frenchie you have spoke it like a TRUE DEMOCRAT who is tired of putting up with the RW bullshit!

We are not going to take it anymore!

If you are willing to take this pure RW spin for truth...then you truly live in the past.

The Democrats are coming back strong!

Get the Hell out of our way Repukes and Repuke wannabe's.


NOT THIS TIME!

[niceypoo]

127. Does this mean we stop the back and forth smear campaigns...

...and begin discussing policy? I'll believe it when I see it.

[leftstreet]

128. K&R

:thumbsup:

Well done.

[mcollier]

133. The Republicans

need to understand that our enemies will not think we will have lost in defeat if we pull out of Iraq.. The truth is when we pull out of Iraq our real enemies will begin to worry again because they will know the focus will be put back on them again. But while we are depleting our resources in Iraq our enemies are happy to see us wasting away our valuable resources... (A major key to the Art of War is to make your enemy use up their resources unnecessarily.) Really, look it up... If we had enough really skilled leaders running the military, they would know this...

If you are a democrat, you need to know what is causing so many to vote for McCain... The Idea that we can't lose in Iraq.... We haven't lost in terms of military battles. No military solution remains... We have been hearing for 4 years how when the Iraqi army stands up, we'll stand down.... And after 500,000 trained Iraqi soldiers later, we still don't have an idea of when we will start standing down... This is bullshit. The Iraqis are capable of handling their own matters more so than we give them credit for.

If the security situation in Iraq does not bring about solid progress in the political front within the next 6 months, then our soldiers coming home will not be the cause of lack of progress in Iraq. At which point all Americans who truly care for the welfare of our troops, and this nation must vote to bring our troops home...

We have already won...

[Willo]

130. Oh Hell yeah FrenchieCat. Hell yeah!!!

I wish I saw this before reading the pathetic, cries of the pitiful.



Better move your ass!
Either wake up now or GET OUT OF OUR WAY!!!

[grantcart]

132. what some people don't understand is that we will not be deterred

August 24th Denver in the streets if we have to

[liberaldem4ever]

135. Go FrenchieCat!!!! You are awesome!!!

You tell 'em!! We are gonna stand up for truth!! I am so sick of the sorry lying, manipulating bastard politicians. We are going to have President Obama-someone we can be proud of for a change!! Gobama!! Gobama!! :bounce:

[Hutzpa]

136. Go Frenchie..... Go Frenchie...... Go Frenchie......

Move, get out the way... get out the way... Move!




:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:


:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:


:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Eurobabe]

140. Snap!

K+R

[ClayZ]

141. Yeah! Right ON! K and R

"WE ARE READY FOR A MOTHERFUCKING CHANGE!"


YES WE CAN!


edit: KICK

[Alii]

142. Fantastic...

I assume that everyone has clicked on the CNN link to your left. If not, check it out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x117454

Further ammo.

There's still time in PA to affect an "upset." Spread the word and end the madness.

Hillary is a great role model for my daughters and granddaughters...untrustworthy, dishonest and lacking in integrity. Neither my wife, daughters, granddaughters nor sisters, are taking stock in her BS. This is, should be obvious, not misogyny nor sexism...just the plain and simple truth.

[Yes We Did]

143. And here is some more truth via Huffingtonpost... Hillary is behind by 2-3 million popular votes

Hillary Clinton is not behind by 800,000 votes. It's more like 2-3 million votes. Here it is via Huffingtonposts, shawn christensen.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shawn-christensen/dont-be-fooled-obama-is-a_b_96118.html

[Alii]

150. Well, maybe a million...

But, it would be interesting if one could calculate deductions for Hillary's Rush Limbaugh votes...from Texas on. Maybe one could subtract a couple hundred-thousand here. It would be ludicrous to imagine that they would actually be voting for her come the general election.

Stop the chaos...

[futureliveshere]

144. Hear Hear... I concur whole-heartedly. Its time to wade in and uproot the Repubs.

[futureliveshere]

146. K&R!!!

[LulaMay]

147. If there's violence during this election, it will be due to escalated threats/ rhetoric like yours

[Inuca]

178. Threats!?!?!?

She suggested to write to the media for crying out loud! That should get the riots started, I am sure...

[Binka]

197. No Dear It Will Be To Cowards Like You Who Will Invoke The Police State

Go back to bed Lula nobody likes you here.

[ampad]

241. I got that person on ignore

I wonder if that person was one of the few protesting with their pots and pans on Friday. It won't be too much longer before the cowards have no choice but to get out of the way because their queen is not getting the crown. Then they can go vote for McCain as I'm sure quite of few of them quietly will out of hate for Obama.

[SaveAmerica]

260. This not a call for violence, you'll find that filed under "blood on the convention floor"

[southlandshari]

148. Bravo

Beyond well said.

:applause:

[Cali_Democrat]

151. FrenchieCat for President!!!

I'm serious!! After we get 8 years of Obama, this woman needs to be our president. She is the BEST poster I have seen on DU. No Doubt. She articulates progressive views so well. She always picks apart the corporate media bullshit bit by bit. Nobody tops her, at least from what I've seen. She speaks for TRUE Democrats.

:loveya:

[cboy4]

152. ............

:puke:
:puke:

[FrenchieCat]

157. You're sooo funny!

[FrenchieCat]

156. So sweet!

Thanks! :hi:

[evolvingsteve]

325. I admit...

...I think I'm crushing on Frenchiecat as well.....:loveya:

[pnwmom]

153. I have no problem with -- in fact I agree with the "bitter" word -- BUT

I wish he hadn't gone on to state that it makes people "cling" to guns and religion. Unfortunately, this remark could be construed to mean that he has a condescending attitude toward people who are religious -- despite his own professed faith.

I'm not angry or upset with him. I just feel that it was a goof, a goof I wish he hadn't made.

[FrenchieCat]

155. It is being covered pretty well for Barack in the media right now......

Even the Wall Street Journal!
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/04/11/obama-defends-bitter-comments/?mod=WSJBlog#comment-103232

[Alii]

166. Yeah but,

a lot of very sick people posting in that WSJ article.

I'm bitter because we have so many uneducated people in our country. Unbelievable. Again, a big segment of Hillary's demographic. This is very sickening.

C'mon Barack, put a rush on educational funds. It is sorely needed.

I only harbor one prejudice, ignorance and stupidity. Or is that two?

Education begins in the home...by the parents. Educate the young people today so that they might become good parents and educate their offspring. Is there no hope for the uneducated 40+ today? And please, that wasn't a broad brush stroke. Many of us in our forties, plus, plus, plus, are educated...just not enough numbers. And yes, not restricted to the 40+...just on a smaller scale.

Hillary's support, considering her poll ratings in re honesty, trustworthiness and integrity is a testament to moral degradation.

Enough said, standing down from the soapbox.

[pnwmom]

274. "Hillary's support . . . is a testament to moral degradation." You hurt your own

candidate with nasty swipes at Hillary supporters, whose votes your candidate will need in the general election. I'm sure Obama doesn't appreciate this kind of support.

Neither candidate is an angel. Neither is the devil. Thoughtful, mature adults can disagree, but the Rush Limbaugh types want to paint everything in extremes.

Say whatever you want about Bush, criticize the Democrats ON THE ISSUES, but when you personally slam all the SUPPORTERS of other Democrats, you are hurting the whole party.

[Alii]

333. Context....

1, I'm sure that we can all agree that Hillary's polling in re honesty and integrity is not enviable.

2. I'm a registered republican voting for Obama, no Obama than I shall vote for McCain. McCain is a great American and a hero, but we're the same age and we old duffers tend to have lapses of memory. However, it would be a cold day in hell before I would ever vote Clinton. So you see, I have a valid excuse. If no Obama than vote McCain.

Hillary is speaking in Valparaiso, Indiana at this moment. Careful, I see snipers in the audience...she'd better be ducking for cover.

In short, my only concern for YOUR party is to get Obama elected. I voted for JFK, about to vote for HOPE again.

Like it or not, Hillary is the epitome of hypocrisy. And whether you or Hillary believe it...she IS out of the race. The MSM is keeping her in to boost their ratings.

So democrats, I apologize for raining on your parade. If you want my support for Obama you have it. However, if, though not possible, Hillary would be your candidate I can assure that I'll be at the top of the list to sweep her under the bus. You just might be surprised how many fellow republicans are of the same mind...you shouldn't be.

I think that she just mispronounced Valparaiso...but she's known for many "mis'."

[pnwmom]

353. Your "great American" McCain has repeatedly lied about why we went to war

with Iraq and about al Queda being involved with Iran. Your "hero" was one of the Keating 5.

Your hero doesn't know the difference between the Sunni's and the Shiites.

[Alii]

355. At least,

he actually did duck bullets.

And, speaking of lies...get over it.

[pnwmom]

359. How many bullets did Bush and Cheney duck? How about Reagan?

That's never been the standard before. It only seems to matter when the opponent is a woman who was actually barred from combat.

[pnwmom]

276. "Obama concedes he misspoke" -- and I agree with him.

Let's hope this puts a soon end to it -- unless this is part of some grander strategy of his.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/12/obama_concedes_he_misspoke.html?hpid=topnews

SNIP

"I didn't say it as well as I should have," Obama conceded before a crowd in Muncie, Ind., this morning, as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Republicans prepared to hammer him for a second day.

SNIP

But Obama campaign officials worry more about the guns and religion references as ripe GOP fodder that could haunt their candidate if he wins the Democratic nomination. Essentially, Obama was describing Reagan Democrats, the ultimate general election swing voters.

As Obama acknowledged this morning, his mistake was to suggest that many small-town values are formed by cynicism. "You know the truth. It is that these
traditions that are passed on from generation to generation, those are important. That's what sustains us," he told the Muncie audience.

But he added, "what is absolutely true is that people don't feel like they are being listened to. And so they pray and they count on each other and they count on their families. You know this in your own lives and what we need is a government that is actually paying attention. Government that is fighting for working people day in and day out making sure that we are trying to allow them to live out the American dream."

SNIP

[Divine Discontent]

158. hear hear! EOM

[Clintonista2]

161. Time to change the cat litter... Frenchie dropped some shit on GD:P

[Onlooker]

162. "Bitter" is a weak and petty word

Had Obama or the OP said angry, it would have made sense, but "bitter" is usually associated with people who are unforgiving and don't take their share responsibility for problems. Bitter people commonly blame immigrants, Jews, blacks, and others for their problems. It's not a nice word, and not one that can be spun.

[FrenchieCat]

163. "People are fed up. They're angry and they're frustrated....

He understood why residents of towns hard hit by manufacturing job losses would feel bitter.

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama was quoted as saying by the Huffington Post.

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

At a town hall meeting on Friday, Obama said he made the comment because some supporters heard he was having trouble attracting working-class voters. He was trying to say he empathized with them.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/usa_politics_clinton_dc




bitter(btr) KEY �

ADJECTIVE:

Having or being a taste that is sharp, acrid, and unpleasant.
Causing a sharply unpleasant, painful, or stinging sensation; harsh: enveloped in bitter cold; a bitter wind.
Difficult or distasteful to accept, admit, or bear: the bitter truth; bitter sorrow.
Proceeding from or exhibiting strong animosity: a bitter struggle; bitter foes.
Resulting from or expressive of severe grief, anguish, or disappointment
Marked cynicism

[Catchawave]

356. John Edwards was "angry", but you pissed all over him ? n/t

[Major Hogwash]

164. So true. I'm damned tired of the media trying to tell me what is important and what isn't.

I didn't care how much John Edwards' haircut cost.
I didn't care how much John Edwards' house cost.

I cared about Elizabeth's health status!
That's what I wanted to read about.
But, the media didn't care about that!
They didn't care that millions of other Americans have been affected by cancer, too!
They didn't want to tell us whether Elizabeth was alright or not.
"It didn't get good ratings."

They weren't interested in her as a human interest story once John dropped out of the race.
Her health status didn't get them big attention-getting headlines to sell newspapers with.

The media didn't care about Elizabeth's health condition, and they don't care about ours.
"Just get a good headline" so as to compete with the Enquirer.
That's all they care about.
They don't care about people.

They don't care about the troops.
They publish the numbers of the fallen as if they are stock ticker numbers.
They don't care.
They don't realize those numbers were people, that are now dead.

They don't care.

[McCamy Taylor]

165. The truth is that guns do not equal religion anywhere in the US

even in California and Obama needs to put a surge protector on his mouth. What was he thinking about putting religion in the same category as guns and racism? If he gets too tired to speak sometimes, then he should stop talking. Not everyone can be John Edwards.

[flor de jasmim]

168. Yes, they do, and here's why:

Let's say you've...

lost your job
lost your pension
may lose your house
....

now, are you going to vote on economic issues, or

religion, guns, abortion?

What SHOULD be most important to you.
These others are the DISTRACTIONS Obama was talking about--the issues that keep people from voting in accordance with their economic interests.

[Binka]

198. I Don't Think MLK Would Tell Obama To Put A Surge Protector On

Just sayin.

[JBoy]

236. People are tired of politicians with surge protectors! That's the whole point.

Surge protector = truth inhibitor.

[WillyT]

265. You've Never Attended Services At Our Lady Of The Locked And Loaded ???

A shame.

:evilgrin:

[Mimosa]

350. The truth is that Obama misspoke

McCamy said:

"The truth is that guns do not equal religion anywhere in the US"

There you go again, McCamy, being absolutely perceptive and right.

I'm an Obama supporter. I understood what he was trying to say. He could have phrased his thoughts better. He truly misspoke. *shrug* No big deal, but his opponents and the media will blather about this for 2 weeks.

[democrank]

167. Bravo, Frenchie!

~PEACE~

[SunDrop23]

170. Bravo! K&R

[Warren DeMontague]

171. K&R.

:kick:

[laylah]

172. Way to go, Frenchie!

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::yourock:

[santamargarita]

173. FrenchieCat For President (after Obama)

Couldn't have said it better!

[lostnotforgotten]

175. American Are Socially Programmed Not To Display Discontent

eom

[Vinca]

176. FrenchieCat, you're the best!

:hug:

[ecdab]

177. Hillary has joined with McCain, it would seem, to fight against changing

this nation for the better.

[Inuca]

180. Not to mention Norquist and

Ed Rollins http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/11/clinton-mccain-respond-to_n_96318.html#postComment

UPDATE: The Clinton campaign emailed around harsh comments from two Republican pundits:

Grover Norquist: 'That sentence will lose him the election... He just announced to rural America: I don't like you.' "Grover Norquist, the anti-tax activist who leads an influential weekly meeting of conservatives, went as far as to argue that Obama's line would cost Democrats the White House. 'That sentence will lose him the election,' Norquist told ABC News. 'He just announced to rural America: 'I don't like you.'"

Republican strategist Ed Rollins: Q: "On a scale of 1 to 10 how damaging is this?" Rollins: 'Ten.'

I find the fact that they are using Norquist as an argument UNBELIEVABLE. Low, "inappropriate", and just plain stupid.

Edited to add: GREAT post Frenchie!

[Binka]

199. Fuck Norquist & Rollins

Two overrated fucking dweebs. Greedy SOBs. Fuck them and the donkey they rode in on. Fuck their mothers too, they did a horrible job.

[Inuca]

200. I agree with the general sentiment

thuogh I think they rode on an elephant, not a donkey :-).

Love your Orwell quote, very appropriate.

[Alii]

338. Yep, the very odd odd-couple.

A couple of vultures hovering about Barack Obama ready to pounce at any hint of misspeak.

[FOS]

182. AMEN !

Spot On !

:applause:

[Bonobo]

187. THANK YOU!!! This is what I wanted to post.

The Clintons still don't get it.
They think they can keep lying, not understanding that people are now communication on the web, sharing facts and video. One large social computer.

The Punditocracy and the Politicians are the ones that look down on the American people. They think they are stupid and will believe anything they are told.

Obama is telling the truth -think of it as a test. If the test succeeds, he will broken the back of the lying sack of shit, soundbyte politics that have defined us for 20 years.

Bursting the Media Bubble. Obama is the man.

K&R

[rodeodance]

190. All bow to .....

the OP.

[Joanne98]

192. I'm bitter and I'm proud of it!

[roseBudd]

194. K&R! FrenchieCat

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

196. K&R!

Excellent post!

[Girlieman]

201. Exactly! K&R

[DailyGrind51]

202. Old guy who remembers the '68 Convention thanks you!

I was a high school junior in Chicago during the 1968 Democratic Convention, when I saw establishment Democrats, like then Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley unleash clubs and tear gas on anti-war protesters. Establishment Democrats have always served to obstruct meaningful change in both Party and Nation. They say they support us, while voting with the other side. Only when the Neo-cons and their fellow-travelers in the Democratic Party are driven from office and onto the ash-heap of history occupied by Tories and Know Nothings, will America return to being a country "by", "for", and "of" the people!

DailyGrind

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." Lincoln's First Annual Message to Congress, December 3, 1861.

[Kajsa]

208. Hey, you youngun!

You're five years my junior, you young whippersnapper!
LOL.

I remember the Chicago Dem. convention riots very well, myself.

It was the first time I saw the division within the Democratic Party
and learned that there were those who sided with the Repubs against us.

Forty years later, we are still fighting those within our own party who try
to undermine us.

"Reaching across the aisle" does not mean selling out every value
your party stands for.

btw; I love your sig line- ;)

:hi:

[JohnnyLib2]

211. Hey, kid. And you are my junior, LOL.

Yup, it was a time of horrible disillusionment for the party. And we fought. And Nixon won...... Wish I could forget THAT aspect, but it's one of those lessons of history, there for all to learn.

[Kajsa]

216. Hi Johnny!

LOL-you got me! ;)

Yes, that was a dark chapter in our history, alright.

We've seen a few of them in our time.

But this gives me hope and let's me know that
someone is listening to us.

:) :hi:

[SaveAmerica]

256. Hey there, can you post this on it's own, please? I don't know how many posts you have to have to

start a new post, but this definitely deserves to stand alone.

[netgui68]

204. I am bitter too!!!

I am bitter that our government sits on its hands and lets the Bush administration commit crimes against the nation, I am bitter that my children may not have a future of prosperity for themselves, I am bitter that government has spent the SS trust fund and I have no ideal how I am going to retire in the most expensive country in the world.

I am bitter real wages are falling while the cost of everything is going up, I am bitter that the quality of education is not as good as it was when I went to school, I am bitter that I can't provide health care for my family...no need to go on, there are way to many valid reasons to be bitter about to list. I want change and I want real and meaningful change, not just symbolic.

I want Washington scrubbed of politicians of the past that worked for their pocket books and wall street interests, while systematically devastating main street. It's time for change and a good start begins with Barack Obama and concludes with putting like minded and in touch people in congress, state and local goverment....we need this power revolution to put the power back in our hands, where goverment will once again look out for mainstreet as their top priority. It is way past time to shed the politics of the past. Change is happening all across America and it is a beautiful thing...Yes we can take back our government and country and those lobbyist, elitest, corporate cronies, are unable to stop us, because in numbers, we have WAY more power than you.

God bless

[democracy1st]

205. K & R

a thousand times

[babsbunny]

206. Thank You for making my Saturday!

I have been feeling beatin' down. I just got my 2nd wind!

[ELY08]

207. Thanks FrenchieCat

:yourock:

[Kajsa]

209. Aww Frenchie Cat, you nailed it---

- especially the MSM driven focus on the non issues mentality that has dominated
our political scene for way too long.

Thank you! :)

[butterfly77]

212. You tell em Frenchie..

they want to play the game the same way with the same results, its a new day. Time for another email to this media...

[Kurovski]

214. Kick. (nt)

[postulater]

217. I'm bitter

I've been bitter since 1968. And before that I just hadn't figured it out.

[Jackpine Radical]

232. Yeah, that's about right.

Same timing for me.

For me, this quote from the NYT story says it all:

"...Mrs. Clinton, Mr. McCain and a string of Republican activists and party officials, all ... accused Mr. Obama of elitism and belittling the working class."

Know them by the company they keep. Hillary & the Republican establishment are all singing from the same page in the songbook.

Hell, "bitter" is mild word for how I've felt these past 40 years of Republican rule leavened by the occasional conservative and crippled Democrat.

[postulater]

259. Jackpine is one of my favorite trees.

They're survivors when everything around them is burnt to a crisp.

Tamaracks are another of my favorites.

[Jackpine Radical]

280. Yeh--Tamarack. Slow growing, mostly a swamp tree, although

I've seen a few growing on high ground. I love the soft, golden iridescence of a tamarack swamp in the light of a late fall afternoon in the north woods. And tamarack wood burns hot. Like, you can burn your stove out with that stuff.

And the 2 things about jackpines that impress me the most are that they'll grow in sandy barrens where hardly anything else can make a living, and they have little rock-hard, fire-resistant cones that the heat of a forest fire causes to open, leaving them to seed the charred ground and produce the next generation, getting a jump on everything else. Jackpines were evolved to capitalize on adversity.

[TriplePlay]

218. HUZZAH!!!! HUZZAH!!! Damn right we're bitter!

I've got my pitchfork ready.
Jefferson said we need a revolution every generation or so. It might be time.

Excellent post --- Huzzah!

[a la izquierda]

342. just a couple generations...

overdue, methinks.;-)

[jmpnfool]

222. Amen brother

Im tired, and bitter as well. Well said.

[Phred42]

223. Bingo! Good For You FrenchieCat

We need to clean up our OWN house first by kicking the crap out of the Cowards in our own ranks.

[NoFederales]

224. Best post I've ever read on DU Frenchie. Tell it on. nt

NoFederales

[LWolf]

228. I'm ready for fucking change,

and I don't see Obama or HRC offering the change that I'm ready for.

AND YES, I'M BITTER ABOUT THAT.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

229. "If you're bitter and you know it, clap your hands."

:applause:

If you're bitter and you know it
and you're not afraid to show it
if you're bitter and you know it
clap your hands

:applause:

[Jackpine Radical]

233. Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap

Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap

[JohnnyLib2]

230. "President Obama, some of your avid supporters are angry--

about the slow progress on legislation from your administration and the lack of noticeable change in foreign policy to date. They had very high expectations for you. Your comments, please? "

[TomBall Democrat]

237. you're in my way, AND part of the problem

Hell, yeah I 'm bitter


tired of weak ass Democrats too afraid to speak out.

and tired of those who are AFRAID of a man who speaks truth.

Keep throwing that shit - but guess what - it's all coming back on you.

[JohnnyLib2]

358. If Obama is the nominee, I will work and vote for him in the GE.

So, you are off the mark here.

:shrug:

[stlsaxman]

231. Rec # 182!

Good Job, FrenchieCat!

[Lou Queb]

235. Up !

:)

[MarinCoUSA]

238. I want my Constutution back. Now DAMN IT! Bitter? HELL YES.

And I want every single scum bag responsible for the crimes of this administration charged and tried-or at the very least mocked, ridiculed and publicly censored to the end of their days.

[Lou Queb]

239. that's awesome,when do we start ?

[Mrspeeker]

304. I want a new Constitution

One written by the people for the people...not one written for wealthy male land owners.

But hey if you want that old duck..more power to ya!

[lumberjack_jeff]

242. Does that include "Racists, Right Wingers, Dumb White Fucks and Hillary supporters"

Building a real coalition there.

Unfortunately, you can't win without us dumb white fucks and Hillary supporters.

Direct your motherfucking anger at someone besides me.

[ima_sinnic]

281. that is your chioce. you can be left behind if you want to be. (nt)

[lumberjack_jeff]

283. You seem to have forgotten that you're trying to win an election.

not create an exclusive club.

I haven't forgotten. I want more people to vote Democratic than the alternative.

[ima_sinnic]

292. well, join the club, then.

since Hillary is so hated by so many republicans, and many Democrats don't like her either, making her nearly perfectly UN"electable"--in addition to the fact that it is now mathematically impossible for her to win the Democratic nomination--it is now basically a choice between McCain and Obama.

[Hoof Hearted]

296. Well then, when McCain is taking his oath of office just remember, this is what YOU wanted.

Barack Obama could not be any more certain to lose the general election if he set a batch of kittens on fire and whipped his dick out on a playground than he is now. If he's our nominee, his name will replace McGovern's in every political science textbook in the country.

[90-percent]

243. trounced

Hillary and McCain are using muskets against MOAB's.

Bad analogy, but they are practicing old fashioned, but safe and proven methods in the old political paradigm. Obama is using a new outside the box visionary paradigm: TRUTH!

McCain and Hillary are congenitally incapable of playing in that arena.

Of course, the rest of our Dem's will probably denounce Obama per the instructions of the minority Republicans. But these spineless automatons aren't running for President!

Frenchie - thanks for your articulations. You lit a DU firestorm!

-90% Jimmy

[Kjaereste]

244. What FrenchieCat said...

Yes, we will!

[golddigger]

306. Could someone clean up the cat shit? It's starting to stink in here.

[phrigndumass]

245. Frenchie:

Thanks for talking truth!

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[mhoran]

246. Great post

The manufactured indignation by Clinton and McCain = same old, same old.

Obama is the face of the new political dynamic in America. This despite the fact that the MSM is too lazy, stupid, and/or corrupted to not continue to propagate the same old diversionary, sound-bite-y, schoolyard bs.

[Snarkoleptic]

251. Right on.

And the more push-back we get from the establishment, the more I want Obama to become POTUS.
The establishment fears that their grip on power will slip and the proles will again have a say in how our government runs.
Now is our time to take back the government, and Obama represents hope and change.
A leader is a dealer in hope. - Napoleon Bonaparte
GOBAMA!

[AzDar]

247. Yea, verily.

:thumbsup:

[swishyfeet]

248. You nailed it Frenchie!

I can't imagine how people can continue to support Clinton as she continues to twist and distort what Obama says to gin up the same old faux outrage. Hillary and her condescending, stupid ass gotcha politics need to step aside for the adults.

The people who come in here to crap on this thread have ZERO hope other than to continue flinging poop, desperately hoping some will stick. They're too dense to realize that using slimy republican tactics against their own, soon to be, Democratic candidate for President of the United States is some WEAK SHIT. Grow up, take a math class, or get out of the way!

I'm ready for a MOTHERFUCKING CHANGE!

:thumbsup:

[montanacowboy]

249. Hell Yes!

I am bitter and I am not going to take it anymore! Screw the weak Democrats; I am sick and tired and believe me when I say bitter it does not begin to to cover it.

We are on the move and like it or lump it - join on or get the hell out of the way.

Change is coming and if you are too much of a coward to hear the truth, too bad for you.

A can of bigass whoop is coming down the pike and it's name is President Obama!

[Auggie]

250. Kick

[Scurrilous]

253. K & R

:thumbsup:

[floridablue]

254. Retarded

[fascisthunter]

287. heh?

:nopity:

[SaveAmerica]

255. Yeah, I'm bitter, brave and ready to fight!! Anyone who won't work for the people of America need

not apply. Kicking it for the people!!

[crankychatter]

257. Have I kicked this lately?

nope

[ooglymoogly]

261. Yessss indeed...I will 198th that...great rant at this particular time

When particularly Fox and CNN are twisting and spinning the things Obama said and using Huffpo's Mayhill Fowl, Fowl, a truly obnoxious witch as a source.....and to put a finer point on it what ms. idiot standing in for Lou Dobbs joyesly craped out Obama's meaning. Everybody should go to CNN home page and give the witch a very bad mark and review.

[Mme. Defarge]

262. K&R!

[kwenu]

263. If truth is going to be spoken, Hillary and her followers should be given time to leave the room.

They can't handle it.

[2rth2pwr]

264. Sounds like Obama needs to get out of the way, he doesn't seem to agree

with how you are characterizing his words.

[flvegan]

266. How ironic.

Raging against the very media we allowed to choose these two "candidates" for us.

"Weak Democrats" indeed.

[Stuart G]

267. Yes

[happygoluckytoyou]

268. BITTER ISNT HALF OF WHAT IM FEELING--->GO'BAMA

JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN AND HILLARY "REPUBLICAN LITE" CLINTON ARE OUT OF TOUCH...
WHY ELSE WOULD THEY DEFEND THE WAR...EVER!!! DID SOMEONE SAY THE CLINTONS EARNED $110 MILLION
LAST YEAR.... GUESS THAT $4 GAS IS HITTING THEM PRETTY HARD

JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN AND HILLARY "REPUBLICAN LITE" CLINTON ARE OUT OF TOUCH...
WHY ELSE WOULD THEY DEFEND THE WAR...EVER!!! DID SOMEONE SAY THE CLINTONS EARNED $110 MILLION
LAST YEAR.... GUESS THAT $4 GAS IS HITTING THEM PRETTY HARD

[ClayZ]

269. Kick!

[fascisthunter]

271. Thank You....

Well said. :toast:

[Bensthename]

272. Keep kicking this till the primaries are over. Hillary is trying to make O lose to McCain in Nov.

She is such an opportunist. She has lost but still insists on tearing down Obama more then the GOP is doing. Now Obama has already won so he does not need to acknowledge Clinton's rants, lies, and out of touch reality. It is a waste for him to respond to her flaps and he needs her voters support. She knows this and is taking advantage of his good nature.

Hillary has gone too far.

[Hoof Hearted]

298. O's already got that covered, but I can understand why you feel the need to blame others.

It's undoubtedly difficult for you to face the fact that he's done all of this to himself.

[AZ Criminal JD]

275. Does this mean you haven't been telling the truth up to this point?

[fascisthunter]

290. "I know you are, but what am I"

or is it "cackle, cackle, cackle"?

[AZ Criminal JD]

313. It was the OP's statement, not mine. I just thought it was an interesting choice of words.

[windoe]

277. Bitter that we have been robbed. Period.

Those that do not see this are either blind, asleep, or part of the robbery.
We no longer have the luxury of indulging in 'truthiness', it is time to reclaim the truth as we once knew it. A rich cartel of extremists robbed America of the trillion dollar surplus left in the Treasury in 2000, this was our hard earned tax dollars we put there in trust of our government to use to serve us! Instead they used this money to empower themselves and for violence and aggression, without our consent, in fact, in spite of our mass protests.
The two last elections were stolen, and we still have electronic machines that can steal the next one. Democrats must unite to assure that this does not happen, McCain will finish this country off.
The upcoming "recession' or 'depression' is not a mystery but a direct result of being robbed of our money, lives and infrastructure. Period. We have to stop allowing and enabling the smokescreen of false words to cloud the issues.
Straight talk McCain???? America has awaken, we've got your straight talk right here!!!!

[VolcanoJen]

279. F'n A Skippy, Frenchie!

Yes, Yes, Yes!!!!

[0007]

282. Frenchie the Wild Cat.....go go go go go

[dkf]

285. Damn you are good Frenchie...

I'm a fighting Democrat and I'm TIRED of being bitter.

I want someone who understands what the American people are going through and that someone is Barack Obama.

Hillary simply doesn't have a clue.

[RiverStone]

289. Happy to be recommendation # 216

This is what telling the truth gets ya FrenchieCat! :applause:

Damn good post.

K&R

[Life Long Dem]

293. Anybody notice the media is playing games with the titles to this story?

I just run across this one. "Obama Says He Used Wrong Words to Describe Small-Town America".

And here is the link. http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080412/pl_bloomberg/a9qhsxnb4lzk_1

For some reason it doesn't come up the first time but hit refresh and it will come up.

Where does it say Obama says he used WRONG words?

[nsd]

294. Yes!!!

This post is spot on. Democrats need to have the COURAGE of their own convictions. We need to be able to stand up for what we believe and fight back. A big misconception is that Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are fighters. They're not -- they're appeasers. They respond to GOP attacks by giving in, throwing overboard people and ideas when there's a political cost involved, triangulating away the hopes of people they're supposed to be championing. Enough of that. Obama is really willing to take up the fight and that's big reason a lot of people are excited about him.

[bhikkhu]

299. K&R - great post!

I for one am done worrying about how the MSM might react to Obama speaking a truth that is not on the "approved script". I think everyone gets it, at least everyone without pre-existing hateful agendas.

[azmouse]

300. GOBAMA!!

Great post!

[Mrspeeker]

301. So that means all of them

they are all in it together, anyone that works for the government is part of the establishment. There is no party and there is no party lines not to mention the thought of democracy...what a joke

All there is IS CONTROL.
It starts with the banks and works it way down.
We are all under control from the time we are born and receive are birth certificate, or a contract to be born.

Start analyzing the system and you will see that its better than the MATRIX!


"I am not a number I am a free man" Oh think again wise one, and we need your social security number to give you anything!

ME AND YOU AND EVERYONE ARE JUST SOME NUMBERS IN THE BOOKS!!!
ANTS WORKING FOR THE GREATER CAUSE, THE CORPORATIONS BOTTOM LINE!!!

Enjoy the last few years of being able to write here or anywhere, for it is just a matter of time before this threat is eliminated!

[jgraz]

303. K & Motherfuckin R... brilliant.

:yourock:

[golddigger]

305. We now have, "Bitter Hope." Can I get an Amen!

[understandinglife]

307. Would love to see several 1000 DUers recommend this one ...

.... maybe, just maybe, that will happen ...

Peace,
Bob

[uponit7771]

308. I'm ret to roll...

[Bensthename]

309. You are so right. This thread fuckin rocks.

[Enrique]

310. Obama backed away from his comments

I guess that puts him in the weak democrat category.

[DerekJ]

311. He didn't back away from the "bitter" comment.

[Enrique]

314. no, he backed away from the stereotyping part

which was the real damaging part.

[DerekJ]

315. Damaging or not .. It's true.

[Enrique]

316. no, the stereotypes weren't true

anyone who comes and tells us yokels he's figured us out is full of crap. Obama realized this and made a much better and more true statement today.

[FrenchieCat]

320. He was correct......for the most part......

but he was man enough to understand that some folks will take it the wrong way, especially with Hillary, who has become a Republican, piling on with her inane GOP framing. Instead of empowering the exact circumstances of Americans, she's only telling them that they need to roll up their sleeves, like that will help them. :eyes:

So yeah, he acknowledges that he may have offended some folks, even if he was on target was to why folks are bitter with the government giving them the shaft (including the Clinton's NATA love affair) and how they cling to their values because they have nothing else.

The truth hurts, but Voters have 10 days to think about what Obama actually said, and they can decide to stay offended at what is obvious to most of us (that they have indeed been beaten down), or they can decide that the same ol' same ol' ain't working for them, and that they deserve something better. It is their choice. We'll see if Americans get the government they deserve based on being offended or if they will wake up and smell the coffee, and indeed acknowledge the truth.

[Enrique]

326. I agree

people do have time to think about what he said and I think the importance will fade in that time.

I do have to disagree on a couple of things. One is that Obama is the one responsible for what he said. This is one issue that does not really have anything to do with Hillary.

The other is that I think you have the trade thing backwards. Obama lumps "anti-trade sentiment" in with the other dysfunctional small-town stuff.

[DerekJ]

322. *sigh*

A politically better statement maybe. His first statement is true as it stands. I've studied the religions, and cultures of many parts of the world, Including the Middle East. I've visited those areas of the world that I've studied. Not as a tourist, I lived among them. I know firsthand what happen to people when they lose faith in their government, when they lose all hope for a better future, when they can't find a decent job, or can't even summon enough money to get married.

Violence, going to the extremes in their religion, depression, fortune telling, and in some cases blowing themselves up, the symptoms vary.

Edit: Typo

[Bensthename]

317. Are you smoking crack? He did not back away. Actually he said the same thing again.

You may want to watch his response.

[Enrique]

318. no, his comments today were much better

much more respectful of small-town folks:

"I didn't say it as well as I should have," he said. "But what is absolutely true is that people don't feel like they are being listened to. And so they pray and they count on each other and they count on their families."

Seeking to defuse the damage among blue-collar Democrats essential to his chances in upcoming primaries in Pennsylvania and Indiana, Obama told a crowd in Muncie, Ind., that he only meant to show empathy.

"Lately, there's been a little typical sort of political flare-up because I said something that everybody knows is true, which is that there are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my hometown in Illinois, who are bitter," Obama said. "They are angry, they feel like they've been left behind. They feel like nobody's paying attention to what they're going through."

[golddigger]

319. "TRUTH FROM THIS POINT ON! So everything has been lies up to this point?

:crazy: :silly:

[FrenchieCat]

323. It's called tip-toeing.....

McCain wraps himself up with the American flag and announces that this makes him patriotic, no matter that his way of thinking has resulted in 4,000+ dead Americans.

Hillary Clinton wraps herself up in Republican Framing, and announces that folks just need to roll up their sleeves and get to work and and keep a smile on their face.......she then implores that we should let the Administration that gave us NAFTA in the first place, be allowed to return to office to do more of what they did initially.

Obama tells the truth of the matter and gets railroaded for forcing us to look at our true selves so that we can understand that pride and patriotism does not and has not put food on the table for the last 20 years.

I know who I stand with. What about you?

[golddigger]

321. WE ARE READY FOR A MOTHERFUCKING CHANGE! NOW GO CHANGE THE KITTY LITTER, IT'S STINKIN UP THE PLACE!

[FrenchieCat]

324. The only thing stinking up this thread, is your compulsion to say

something that means nothing at all. :eyes:

[MethuenProgressive]

328. Too funny. This whole screed was up before BO changed his mind today!

What funny people DUbamas are!!

Charity kick > :kick:

[kevinmc]

330. kick

[f the letter]

334. Amen FrenchieCat! n/t

[Alii]

337. Quotes from CNN...this should be copied and pasted everywhere.

Here is the Transcript from CNN after they watched the Video and heard the BS from Clinton and McCain:

BLITZER: All right, Gloria, he's already being hammered by Hillary Clinton and John McCain for that matter for supposedly being an elitist and speaking ill of the people of Pennsylvania by suggesting that the economic problems there are causing them to become bitter and buying guns and becoming xenophobic and all of that. What do you think? Is this a real issue out there?

GLORIA BORGER: Well, Hillary Clinton said today, you know, I don't see bitter people out there, I see struggling people or whatever it is, but she said the people aren't bitter. But I think the people are angry – and maybe Obama's terminology was in artful but I think he's expressing a sentiment of mad-as-hell-voters, not going to take it anymore, that we've seen throughout this election. And that's why perhaps voters are saying over and over again that they want to change. So I think Hillary Clinton is trying to make him into the elite candidate but he's talking about people being angry.

BLITZER: All right, and Hillary Clinton responded to the Obama comments this way; Jeff. Let me play her little sound bite.

HRC: It's being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter. Well, that's not my experience. As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They're working hard every day for a better future for themselves and their children. Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them.

BLITZER: All right, Jeff. What do you think?

JEFF TOOBIN: I think that is so ridiculous. I mean that is not at all what Barack Obama said. I just think this is an example of how a campaign between the two of them can be purely destructive. And not elevate either candidate. I mean, Hillary Clinton is clearly distorting what Obama said. And by the way, what Obama said is factually accurate. It's been true throughout history that people who have economic problems lash out against various others. I mean, I just think it is an embarrassing for the Clinton campaign to hang on this as if it's some sort of gaffe by Obama.

BLITZER: It's not just the Clinton campaign, Jack it's also the McCain campaign. They issued a statement saying it's a remarkable statement and extremely revealing it shows an elitism towards and condescension towards hard working Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking. It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans.

JACK CAFFERTY: Really? And this is from John McCain?

BLITZER: No, this is from Steve Schmidt a senior adviser for John McCain.

CAFFERTY: Look, Jeff's right. They call it the rust belt for a reason. The great jobs and the economic prosperity left that part of the country two or three decades ago. The people are frustrated. The people have no economic opportunity. What happens to folks like that in the Middle East, you ask? Well, take a look. They go to places like al Qaeda training camps. I mean, there's nothing new here. And what Barack Obama was suggesting is not that the people of Pennsylvania are to blame for any of it. It's that the jerks in Washington, D.C., as represented by the ten years of the Bushes and the Clintons and the McCains who have lied to and misled these people for all of this time while they shipped the jobs over seas and signed phony trade deals like NAFTA are to blame for the deteriorating economic conditions among America's middle class. I mean, I'm a college dropout and I can read the damn thing and figure it out.

BORGER: You know, in this case the Hillary Clinton campaign and the John McCain campaign have the same goal and that is to portray Obama as this sort of (inaudible) elitist who doesn't understand the real working class people or independent voters. And so they're both on the same side on this one and it's obvious why.

BLITZER: Go ahead, Jeff.

TOOBIN: I just think it's remarkable that Barack Obama, this guy who grew up in a single-family household with no money, who lived in Indonesia, who came from very modest upbringings, somehow he's the elitist? That's really a pretty extraordinary sort of contortion of his background. I mean.

BORGER: It's that Harvard, Yale thing.

CAFFERTY: He did not make $109 million in the last eight year did he?

BORGER: Right.

[cooolandrew]

Let's cool down, this is what HRC wants to label us we are up beat and FIRED UP to the GE.

[cooolandrew]

339. Let's cool down, this is what HRC wants to label us we are up beat and FIRED UP OT THE ge.

[kid a]

340. ROCK ON !! k & R

[quantass]

341. Quality Post!

[saracat]

343. Really Frenchie?

And to think you had nothing but contempt for John Edwards when he indulged in righteous populist anger concerning health care and some folks he had actually demonstrated care for, labor and the middle class. You mocked for his concern with poverty. Now you want to spin Barracks belittlement of the hardworking folks of Pennsylvania into an Edwards type rally cry to protect the worker? You have a lot of nerve, you really do. Barack doesn't give a fiddler damn about workers or little towns and he proves it with his vote to block citizens from having the right to sue corporations. He protected the corporations at the expense of the worker and was one of few Senators to do so.
The "weak democrats" are those who, like barack, protect the corporate interests. barack can't even separate himself from the insurance companies and Big Pharma enough to offer universal health care. it just wouldn't be good for business.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

YES WE NEED A M. F. CHANGE!!!! I just burnt my pink Tutu!

what an excellent post!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

344. YES WE NEED A M. F. CHANGE!!!! I just burnt my pink Tutu!

what an excellent post!

[GeorgeGist]

345. promise this, and i will believe you ...

Obama will indict Bush and Cheney for crimes against humanity; no fucking equivocations.

Otherwise you're just talking SHIT.

[stillcool]

361. The President doesn't Indict...

and no the poster is not "talking shit". Excuse me...I need to move on.

[Bensthename]

346. Best post I've read all day. And this was the best post I read yesterday.

[sueragingroz]

348. so the hope thing was just a cover?

just checking....


so it's all about this now?

[JohnnyLib2]

351. That's the next logical step for revolutionary rhetoric.

This mob mentality is alarming.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

349. I write to the media. I've been frustrated for years at Democrats that don't nt

[Kurovski]

352. Kick. (nt)

[myrna minx]

354. K&R n/t

[Alii]

360. *** A must see video ***

I copied this link from another thread. Should be viewed by all men, women and children in this counry...some might even get the message. It is very powerful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgQ4qdKCNqY

[gabby garcia]

364. my bitterness ..

...is the starting point from which my hope springs.


you rule frenchiecat!

[kevinmc]

367. kick

[meow mix]

368. K&R

[stevenleser]

369. K&R!