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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:18 PM Original message |
The problem isn't that Obama used the word "bitter" |
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. Wrong highlight. Try this one: the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Exactly. Regardless of where you put the emphasis, he's right. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. And is that quote you selected what the McCain-paid ads will be highlighting when they go national? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. Great post and good observation about the trade part |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. The point is that NONE of these things (guns, god, gays, trade, etc.) are the real issue... |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. See the problem, even if we accept this favorable interpretation of Obama's remarks? |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Obama will have |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. Let's see here ... |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Wait. Hold on. Rewind. |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Maybe it's just me ... |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. It's not the "anti-immigration" part that's the killer |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I suppose you know ... |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 03:58 AM Response to Reply #19 |
55. An Obama crowd cheered Obama? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #12 |
40. the danger there |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 04:50 AM Response to Reply #11 |
57. Cling to does not mean "Nut" |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
24. It was condescending in the extreme. |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Sorry, but the jury is coming in ... |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Your analysis is comically blindfolded |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 02:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. November is when the jury will come in |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #31 |
60. I don't feel equipped to speak for "the voters" |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
6. No, I think the reason he's being chastized is for linking bitter and |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Guns & religion |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 02:34 AM Response to Reply #7 |
45. FDR |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. He should hire Hillary's coach.... |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
10. The point he was making is... |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. I KNOW THAT! But that's NOT what's going to be remembered |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #18 |
39. You must believe people in Rural America are IDIOTS |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 02:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
50. He was insulting the voters of PA who he knows aren't going to vote for him. |
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Ilithiad (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
13. Astonishingly stupid... |
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Liberal Gramma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. hope you don't trip and hurt yourself |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. So ....what is Obama's solution to the problem that other Presidents haven't fixed |
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Liberal Gramma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. You make a very good point |
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Ilithiad (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #14 |
34. Sounds like you... |
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Laurab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Yup, it's HUGH!!!!! I'm switching to Hillary now..... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #13 |
35. Yep, it's really hurting him in Indiana. People are standing up to him |
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Elisabethveron77 (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
15. Great point |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
20. You nailed it. Excellent point. Shit like that is going to come back to bite him in the ass |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
21. I have to agree. As a rural guy, it comes off as condescending. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
23. You identified what he said that was incredibly stupid, |
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Laurab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
62. "No political smarts"?? |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
25. Even if what O said is true, and I happen to think it is, it si not a good time to |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #25 |
46. but it is not true |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
26. Using snotty generalizations like "latte liberal" is way more offensive than anything Obama said. nt |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
28. What I find so offensive |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Obama has put religion into a negative context.. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 03:00 AM Response to Reply #28 |
51. good points |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-11-08 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
33. You have to consider everything in the over all context of things. If you just take bits and pieces |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
36. Obama can kiss my small town ass. n/t |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
37. yes indeed |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Good post |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 02:16 AM Response to Original message |
42. Isn't Hillary a neo-liberal? |
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funflower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
43. "Well-off neo-liberals?" "Latte liberals?" |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
47. Remarks like this chip away at our situational advantage |
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Yes We Did (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
48. You drunk the Clinton kool-aid... Bush used much of the same argument |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 03:04 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. nothing to do with Clinton |
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Yes We Did (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
49. You may not like what he said and that's it. The truth hurts but he didn't call anyone a nut! Stop |
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lander (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 03:11 AM Response to Original message |
53. BZZT. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 03:21 AM Response to Original message |
54. Here are pictures of Obama's day in SF- This is where he threw the people of PA under the bus |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 04:03 AM Response to Original message |
56. He is CORRECTLY saying these folks are FRUSTRATED as hell, and that this kind of anger often makes |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Um, Obama disagrees. He says he could have said it better. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
58. John Mellencamp--His song: about small town America here: |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-12-08 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
59. this is exactly right. |
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