What did obama mean? Rick Santorum.

[george_maniakes]

He wants partial- privatization of social security, doesnt believe a right to privacy exists under the constitution, and generally supports republican economic stands that make you think how does this guy get elected?

Yet he fanned issues like illegal immigration and gay marriage to his benefit.

[AllentownJake]

1. Rick

Got trounced by a very angry electorate in 2006.

Rick pretended to be a moderate his first run...than he showed his true colors and the state of PA vomitted him out.

Thank God for Bob Casey

[BumRushDaShow]

8. "...the state of PA vomitted him out."

OMG :rofl:

That is the best explanation I have ever heard for sending his ass packing!

[AllentownJake]

17. What pisses me off is

He still writes a column that my RW colleagues think is funny to leave on my chair somedays.

[BumRushDaShow]

32. Urgggg...

:puke:

I feel for you! :hug:

[lander]

46. Next time, leave them a steaming pile of dog crap on theirs.

When they ask what that's all about, just tell them you were returning the favor -- then ask them if they had the chance to look it over, and what their opinions on it were.

[Barack_America]

25. How do I nominate for a DUzy?

Anyone?

[Penndems]

26. "Thank God for Bob Casey": Amen to THAT!

PA hasn't completely vomited Saint Torum out, though. He's writing a column for the Inky.

He simply will NOT go away. :(

[jackson_dem]

2. Why do we always have to play WORM?

Even if we accept the common Obama apologist explanation he is still saying these people are suckers who can't make intelligent decisions in the voting booth. Good luck with that in the general election...

[george_maniakes]

6. newsflash: right wing politicians have used fear of illegals and the destruction of mariage by gay..

people as a wedge issue. If a person thinks economically both politicians wont do jack squat, but this republican guy will at least do what he says on the wedge issues, that person might be more tempted to vote republican. You want to talk about suckers, talk about those who voted for war against iraq. At least the working people of pennsylvania see the score plain as day, a corrupt system set up to help those better off first and foremost.

[jackson_dem]

18. Newsflash: a politician calling voters stupid is, well stupid

[george_maniakes]

27. newsflash: hillary saying so doesnt make it so.

after sniper gate you should know that. Nowhere did obama even hint penn state voters were stupid. He did hint they were so fed up with the economic system that maybe they voted for the republican anti gay anti immigration candidate because at least in those areas they could benefit (more secure job, more secure family).

[ClassWarrior]

29. No, stupid is using words without knowing their definitions.

bit·ter

1. Having or being a taste that is sharp, acrid, and unpleasant.
2. Causing a sharply unpleasant, painful, or stinging sensation; harsh: enveloped in bitter cold; a bitter wind.
3. Difficult or distasteful to accept, admit, or bear: the bitter truth; bitter sorrow.
4. Proceeding from or exhibiting strong animosity: a bitter struggle; bitter foes.
5. Resulting from or expressive of severe grief, anguish, or disappointment: cried bitter tears.
6. Marked by resentment or cynicism: "He was already a bitter elderly man with a gray face" (John Dos Passos).

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bitter

stu·pid

1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stupid

Not even close.

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

10. Why do you assign the blame to "these people" instead of to the RW?...

Why do you give the RW a free pass?

NGU.

[george_maniakes]

13. whos giving the RW a free pass?

im saying they are the ones fanning these types of issues to get elected. I have a good secure job, so i dont really give a shit about illegal immigration. If i lost my nice job or was scared of losing it, you bet your ass illegal immigration would become more important to me.

[ClassWarrior]

15. (psssttt... I was responding to the post above yours...)

:toast:

NGU.

[george_maniakes]

28. oops sorry dude. :) n/t

[Spiffarino]

19. Read "What's the Matter with Kansas?"

...then read the entire transcript of his talk and you will understand exactly what he was saying.

Not only was it not elitist, his statements were accurate. The American worker has been given little reason to trust either party on economic issues of importance. Bridges fall, roads crack, schools deteriorate and jobs disappear while politicians of every stripe rush to feed from the corporate trough.

All that's left is frustration, anger and cynicism. If the only thing left to vote "for" is the hot-button issue of your choice, you go for it. It may not be empowerment, but it's a facsimile.

[jackson_dem]

30. Yes--Thomas Frank isn't running for office. If he did he would lose. Badly

[scheming daemons]

31. It's not 1988 anymore..... like most losing generals, you're fighting old campaigns....

In 2008, that shit won't work anymore.

[ClassWarrior]

34. I think the poster wants us to believe that the only way Dems can win...

...is by abandoning Democratic values.

NGU.

[scheming daemons]

37. Which is why the OP is supporting Hillary... because she abandoned Democratic values a long time ago

[george_maniakes]

41. um, im an obama supporter actually.

im saying obamas comments in this case were right on the money. RW politicians play on peoples cynicism with the political system and and use fear of things like illegals and gay mariage (and terrorism, iran, etc,etc) or their benefit. and a lot of americans from all walks of life accept those RW arguements.

[Spiffarino]

44. Yeah, I thought that was fairly plain.

Dude needs to read a bit more carefully. :shrug:

[ClassWarrior]

45. (psssttt... not the OP... just the P...)

(or the pee, as the case may be...)

:rofl:

NGU.

[Spiffarino]

43. Meh.

I was hoping for a more thoughtful answer. Thomas Franks isn't running. OK. Obama is, and he's speaking to the heart of the problem. People can and will vote in their economic interest IF they are given a reason to believe things will change for the better.

Today Obama said point-blank that the tax-cuts for the wealthiest one percent will end when he becomes President, and that the middle-class will at last get some relief. If that message gets through the chaff of this latest manufactured outrage he will continue to pull votes from Clinton.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

35. Because Hillary does the Funky Chicken.

[scheming daemons]

3. Santorum lost to Casey 59% to 41%.... you underestimate Pennsylvanians.....

...

[george_maniakes]

7. pennsylvanians voted for the guy, no?

How many politicians like rick santorum have gotten elected in the united states, because people think when it comes to economics, who gives a fuck who you vote for, the little guy will get it in the ass either way?

[scheming daemons]

9. ...and then saw the error of their ways...

....

[george_maniakes]

11. and how many people STILL voted for him...

after his stances on homosexuality and gay marriage and illegal immigration came out?

[scheming daemons]

14. Only 2-in-5.... That's a GOOD thing, pal..... He lost in a LANDSLIDE.....

...

[george_maniakes]

20. do you think some of those 2 in 5 might be the people obama was...

talking about? Voting for the guy whose anti-illegal and anti gay mariage because they honestly believe the economic situation is so corrupt who gives a fuck where he stands there ?

[scheming daemons]

22. Those 2-in-5 will vote Repuke no matter what.....

He's not going to win PA 100-0 against McCain. 59-41 sounds about right.

[george_maniakes]

33. But thats his arguement. They are standing by the anti-gay anti immigration party...

because they think the economic political system is fucked anyways. So maybe they give the republican arguement a whirl. (illegals putting my job at risk? gay marriage destroying that institution? sure, ok.) Its all about lack of faith in the political process.

[AllentownJake]

24. Yep

Those people won't vote for a Democrat even if the opponent was Osama with an R next to his name.

[BumRushDaShow]

16. PA was still majority repuke at the time

Not anymore! :woohoo:

[AllentownJake]

21. High Five

:toast:

[AllentownJake]

12. Actually

He snuck in during the Rethug revolution in 1994. Alot of awful people got elected that year because people were pissed off about something. I can't remember what though.

[BumRushDaShow]

36. The sad thing was that he displaced Harris Wofford

who was probably one of the most liberal Senators ever alongside of Ted Kennedy (and who had served under JFK). It was a major backlash vote that threw Wofford out thanks to Newt Getrich's propaganda machine.

[AllentownJake]

38. and Bob Sr.

Being pissed off at him over something to do with Abortion...kind of Ironic his son is the hero who won back the seat.

[BumRushDaShow]

40. Long time coming.

I still shiver in horror at having not one but *2* repuke governors (Thornburg and Ridge) who were pulled to serve under repuke Presidents... But then I guess that got them the hell out of PA! :rofl:

[Spiffarino]

23. Oh yeah? Well America voted for Bush twice!

Oh, wait...

No we didn't.

[JVS]

39. 2 points. Casey is pro-life, so that was a compromise to get Santorum voters.

Casey rode on his Father's name to a great degree. It's kind of like a Kennedy running for office in MA.

Thus.
I am hesitant to see Casey's win is not necessarily a complete repudiation of Santorum's politics.

[AllentownJake]

42. People hated him both in the GOP and DNC

On both sides...the guy was and still is a real asshole.

[BumRushDaShow]

47. If you really look back on PA politics and the Caseys

Getting into office was actually not easy for either. They ran and lost a number of elections before they finally got their prize.

Casey Sr. ran 3 times before he got the governorship.

Casey Jr. slid into politics quietly via a state-wide Auditor General position and lost the gubernatorial primary to Rendell. But then thanks to Santorum's little trip down to Florida, Jr. was a shoo-in. IMHO, the Terry Schiavo case WAS the last straw and undoing of Rick Santorum. Rick Santorum was shown to be no John Heinz. For Jr., it was all in being at the right place at the right time!

[mythyc]

4. fuck rick santorum

he deserved how dan savage defiled (pun intended) his name ... do a google search of his name and it's the first hit

[ClassWarrior]

5. You mean HRC's prayer group buddy, along with little Jimmy Inhofe (R-Psychotic)?

NGU.