Obama's (at minimum) condescending remark didn't occur in a vacuum

[jackson_dem]

Obama's already shaky electability has taken a big hit today. We now have:

1) Obama, even under the most favorable interpretation of his remark, being condescending to small town people (and he made it worse by saying it to millionaires in San Francisco of all places!). At worst it was bigoted toward small town folks, gun owners, religious folks, and critics of trade.

2) This isn't the first time Obama stereotyped people. He thinks whites are a monolith. The "typical white" comment is on tape.

3) His pastor/mentor being a racist, declaring "God damn America", calling it the "US of KKKa".

4) His wife saying for the first time she is "proud" of a nation that made her a millionaire who went to Harvard and Princeton.

5) Obama being friends with William Ayrers, an unrepentant terrorist.

The ads write themselves. The rethugs won't even have to pay any firm to come up with ads against Obama. All they will have to do is splice together all of the above in 60 seconds and replay it over and over again. He is done. He has stereotyped the vast majority of the electorate. Whoever was left he covered in his latest statement. So if you are opposed to "free" trade there is something wrong with you? That is what Obama says behind closed doors with millionaires. You cling to religion--as Obama himself ironically did--there is something wrong with you? You enjoy hunting. Something is wrong. Even his comment about xenophobes was stupid since most of the nation is to some extent xenophobic (about 60% want to reduce immigration).

Most people here agree with Obama said (except for the trade part which conveniently has been ignored by the faithful). You are, minus the millions, the audience he was speaking to. Guess what? The "netroots" and his latte audience don't represent the mainstream of America. What he has said won't play in Peoria.

Thus far his "explanation" dodges the tough question about what he really met. He has attempted to deflect attention to McSame and the Clenis (as if 22 million jobs in the 90's were terrible. If Obama wins how many will be created under him?). That doesn't cut it. Saying voters cannot vote their interests doesn't either. Saying voters are stupid is not going to win hearts and minds, regardless of how you spin it.

Obama is running, not on substance, but slogans. Chief among them is his claim that he can unite the country. He cannot seriously retain this mantle after insulting large segments of the population. No true uniter would say one thing in Pennsylvania and then trash the people he just spoke to when his private jet hit the tarmac in San Franciso and he began hobnobbing with millionaires.

Obama is a wet dream for the rethugs. They will tar him, if he is the nominee, as unpatriotic, racist, and an out of touch elitist, on top of the "too liberal" tag they use every four years and Obama's obvious inexperience. If voters think you don't understand them, or worse, look down upon them they are going to shut you out immediately. This is what Edwards meant when he said he could compete everywhere. Edwards could go to people in small towns and talk to them as "one of them" since he grew up in a small town. Edwards could go to the South and compete. Obama can't, especially now. He is from Chicago. A guy from Chicago who is a millionaire, a celebrity, went to Columbia and Harvard is going to tell someone struggling to make ends meet in Greensburg, Pennsylvania what to think? That is some real audacity.

Autoresponses to some of what Obama supporters will say

1) William Ayrers is no big deal. Wrong. See Horton, Willie. Horton wasn't pals with Dukakis. Ayrers is a friend of Obama's. He is no longer engaged in terrorism but the rethugs are not going to mention that.

2) The narrative about Obama being unpatriotic is significant. They hammered Dukakis on patriotism because he vetoed a bill requiring the pledge of allegiance in schools. What do you think they will do with Ayrers, Wright, Michelle?

3) It does not matter whether what Obama said is "true" (it isn't: most small town folk are good people). It is never smart politics to diss segments of voters. See Koch, Ed.

4) All of this has a special importance when it comes to Obama. He is running on the Obama brand, not issues. Take away the brand and he is done. Without the Obama mystique he would have been out after New Hampshire.

5) Clinton isn't perceived as hating small towns, whites, religious people, and gun owners. That makes a big difference. These voters will listen to Clinton, even though she will probably lose each of these groups (the key for a Democrat is not to get killed among them). They will shut Obama out automatically. Obama campaigning in a Ohio small town would be as pointless as Pat Buchanan holding a rally in El Paso.

[ProSense]

1. Remarks:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com">Hillary Responds to Obama's Comments on the People of PA (phony)

Obama Responds to McCain and Clinton attacks in Terra Haute (smack down)

[jackson_dem]

5. This isn't about either, as much as the Obama camp is trying to deflect it away from Obama

This is about Obama and what his true colors are.

[AllentownJake]

7. Please tell me

When this is over and he's the nominee you'll knock this shit off.

[jackson_dem]

14. Of course. What would be the point?

If he is the nominee we are stuck with him and have to unite for an uphill climb. What a shame. Edwards would have won the general election easily...

[AllentownJake]

25. Any democrat

Should be able to win this election easily. McCain is old, crazy, mean and has a bad temper. We are shooting ourselves right now.

[anamandujano]

77. Obama keeps shooting himself in the foot. He is taking the whole

party down with him.

[ProSense]

26. Did Edwards win the primary "easily"? n/t

[jackson_dem]

31. Did Gore in 1988? Clark in 2004?

Gore would have had a shot against Bush in 1988 while Clark would have won in 2004. Dukakis and Kerry were the strongest primary candidates but they were very weak general election candidates. The only reason Kerry got 48% is because Bush was such a disaster. Kerry was a worse candidate than Dukakis.

[ProSense]

35. Did Edwards in 2004, in 2008? Is he still running? n/t

[jackson_dem]

44. Was McGovern the most electable in 72'? Mondale in 84'?

If you really were pro sense you would realize the most electable GE candidate does not always win the primary. For our party he usually loses. :eyes: The rethugs often pick their strongest horse such as McSame over Romney or Huckabee.

[ProSense]

54. Who cares? It's 2008. It's a different time, and Hillary is losing. Obama is winning.

He ran a better campaign.

[jackson_dem]

56. So did Kerry last time and look at where he led us

Clark would have wiped the floor with Bush.

[ProSense]

58. Who cares? This is 2008. Focus on the race at hand. Hillary is losing

She ran one of the worst campaign ever, considering where she started: established and connected and campaigning with a former two-term president on her side.

[jackson_dem]

65. Obama had the msm, the ultimate superdelegate

Who cares? Haven't you heard what happens to those who don't learn from our history?

[ProSense]

69. Oh no,

whining about the media alert! They suck, but good campaigners handle them.

[jackson_dem]

73. So you think Bush was a good campaigner?

[ProSense]

76. Do you? n/t

[jackson_dem]

86. No but he had the msm on his side like Obama does

[ProSense]

96. So Kerry was a good campaigner, but the MSM was against him? n/t

[karynnj]

122. No he didn't - go to a library and look at the December 2003 coverage

The only coverage Kerry got was about when he would drop out and that his campaign was so broke he had to give it $6 million.

He was never a media favorite - the positive coverage he got was that he won primary after primary. The media built up at different times Dean, Clark and Edwards. Kerry won Iowa almost on a stealth campaign - and it was because face to face he was by far the best candidate. Dean had the big endorsements - Gore and Harkin. Kerry had the Firefighters Union - but Dodd did this year. Kerry had Cindy Vilsack - but Clinton had both her and her husband.

As to Kerry's MSM on his side, the NYT printed an op-ed in the last week of February 2004 saying that the Democratic nominee would be John, but it could be Edwards or Kerry - and then mostly spoke in Edwards favor. At this point Kerry had won 16 states and Edwards one. Polls in the big states, CA, MA, NY, voting the next week all had Kerry ahead by nearly 20 points or more. Nationwide polling of Kerry vs Edwards had Kerry above 60% and Edwards at around or below 30% at that time. In fact, Kerry mathematically became the de Facto nominee a week later.

[karynnj]

115. You have absolutely no proof for your assertion that Clark

would have swept the floor with Kerry - it is purely YOUR opinion. Clark had nearly as many gaffes in the approximately 3 months he ran in the primaries as Kerry did in the combined primaries and general election. Clark imploded in NH when people saw him and Kerry side by side. There is no way that Clark would have done better in the debates than Kerry - Kerry blew out the foreign policy debate which was Clark's greatest strength. Clark, who was an excellent foreign policy surrogate for Kerry, was not that good in the primaries in the debates when they turned to other issues.

Looking back from these primaries at Kerry's campaign, he ran a smarter, cleaner and better campaign than the Clintons have in the current primaries. He actually gave the Republicans very little to work with. They had to create a negative persona basically out of thin air - because in over a year constantly on tape there was NO episode where Kerry blew up or showed a base side to his personality. He remained calm and relatively pleasant even under harassment. He still is among the best people the Democrats have to make their case strongly, without shrillness.

Obama has run a far better campaign than Clinton has and has shown that he has shown that he has learned a lot from Kerry's run on the current nature of the media. He has worked very hard to define himself as fast as he can - before the Republicans or the Clintons do. He has had some slip ups - but the important thing is that he recovers very quickly and well.

[Texas Hill Country]

112. you are exactly correct. i 100% believe that Obama is the new McGovern

[AllentownJake]

40. Hard

To re-fight those battles...there were Generals lined up by Bushie to attack Clark on a personal level and question his service like they did Kerry.

I was 10 in 1988 so I have no clue what would have happened than.

[Two Americas]

92. good point there

A very small percentage of the population selects the party nominee. Even in this extended primary season, compare the total number of votes the nominee will have to the total number of voters cast in the general. The problem with this is that it is a narrow and unrepresentative and relatively homogeneous demographic that controls the process, and we wind up with a candidate that represents perhaps 15% of the population at the expense of alienating the other 85%.

The qualities in a candidate that most appeal to that narrow slice of the population also happen to be the exact same qualities that are anathema to the general public. The old smoke-filled rooms actually represented a broader and more diverse process that was more representative of the people.

Once again we will have the candidate that is perfect for the 15% of the people who are informed and active, and that carries with it all of the prejudices and biases of that very narrow demographic - educated, professional, upscale, with the time and resources to be active in the process.

Gore, Kerry and now Obama are not representatives of a political faction, they are representatives of a socio-economic group, of a cultural identity. They speak for and represent the modern liberal - upscale, educated, professional, suburban, from the upper 10% in household income.

[hollowdweller]

114. Edwards actual legislative record was almost the opposite of his populist rhetoric

I was an Edwards supporter early on then I went and looked at how he actually voted versus what he was saying. I could see he could have been labeled a flip flopper.

[ProSense]

12. No need to deflect BS! Are you interested in

truth (see if Hillary really wants to pursue this BS line of smear)

[jackson_dem]

15. What does Hillary have to do with any of this?

[ProSense]

20. She's the candidate who's losing? n/t

[jackson_dem]

33. And that has what to do with Obama's elitism/bigotry and his GE chances?

[ProSense]

42. It has everything to do with Hillary losing and your inability to accept it.

See is Hillary loses, Obama is the GE candidate.

[PetraPooh]

55. Your imagination that it hurts Obama at all is quite imaginary. Link to video du discussion below.

Even the MSM is picking up on the inanity and "unity" of Hillary with her GOP counterpart in their attempt to paint Obama into a corner. Listen extra carefully to the last 3 secs where the center guy just barely sqeezes in, "yeah, like he made over $100M in seven years," not that the rest isn't just fabulous really, it is. Sounds like the MSM is going to make sure that most Americans think twice about being suckered into this republican slur even if it is coming from our Democratic Drama Queen, Liar, Traitor.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x117454

[pocoloco]

23. That's what is known as a twofer!

A boot up two asses at the same time!

[Ino]

37. Obama's response is powerful.

He speaks the truth, he GETS it.

[Hawkeye-X]

2. Don't you have ANYTHING positive to say about Obama?

ANYTHING positive?

[AX10]

3. K & R! It seesm that we are of the few that understand what is occuring.

The William Ayrers thing is going to become a big matter in the fall.

[jackson_dem]

8. Some Obama supporters actually think this is a positive

:wtf: No wonder they think Obama is a strong general election candidate. They are that out of touch with political reality.

[NanceGreggs]

9. Well, I have to agree with you there ...

There are only a few of you who understand what is happening - that Hillary has already lost this race. As for the rest of you, you just don't seem to get it.

[GarbagemanLB]

19. And Clinton pardoning Weather Underground members WOULDN'T be an issue?

[jackson_dem]

22. Orlando Bosch

[Texas Hill Country]

111. FRIGGIN HUGE!!! And the ties to Auchi, Khalafi, Rezko, Farrakhan and NOI, the NBP's and and and

[NanceGreggs]

4. Are you a professional straw-grasper ...

... or just an impressive amateur?

[fuzzy otter pop]

10. lol!!!!!!!!

it does seem right out of a can,
does it not?

[fuzzy otter pop]

6. if you were any more inaccurate....

in your analysis i would have to say
hello
MR. Bush

[celophan012]

11. These comments will hurt him among pro-gun voters

Although I'm not sympathetic of pro-gun voters, that bloc will view Obama with skepticism for suggesting that clinging to guns is something that only jobless people do.

[scheming daemons]

13. pro-gun voters were already going to vote for McCain no matter what anyway...

:shrug:

[GarbagemanLB]

17. bingo.

[celophan012]

59. Then why is Obama trying to woo pro-gun voters?

If the pro-gun vote were as lost as you claim it to be, why?

(Politico, 4-5-2008): Obama aims for pro-gun vote

By highlighting his background in constitutional law and downplaying his voting record, Obama is engaging in a quiet but targeted drive to win over an important constituency that on the surface might seem hostile to his views.

The need to craft a strategy aimed at pro-gun voters underscores the potency of the issue in Pennsylvania, which claims one of the nation’s highest per capita membership rates in the National Rifle Association.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9398.html

[Two Americas]

99. not true

Nothing could be further from the truth, and that notion illustrates perfectly just how out of touch many in the activist community are with the general public.

In farm country, virtually every household has firearms. Yet,in the reddest of the red counties, still we find 40-45% of the people are Democrats. Do people really imagine that the Republican voting households have guns and the Democratic voting households do not?

This cartoon fantasy world of good guys and bad guys that so many liberal activists live in is destroying the left and the Democratic party. The world in not divided into two groups - the beautiful and enlightened ones and those "Republican-voting, fundy, gun-toting, knuckle-draggers." Setting politics up as a battle between these two imaginary groups merely disguises the prejudices and insularity of the activist community. Millions of people do not so much vote for the Republicans, as they do vote against the arrogance, cluelessness, and prejudices of the liberal activist community.

[Forkboy]

16. Welcome back!

[jackson_dem]

21. And religious voters, and small town voters, and those against "free" trade, illegal immigration, et

Basically Obama said if you don't adhere to the "latte liberal" view of things you are a moron. That will play well in the general election. :sarcasm:

[ClassWarrior]

27. Oh, that's right... The only way for a Dem to win is to act like a Rape-Publican.

:eyes:

NGU.

[jackson_dem]

36. Notice how politicians usually don't insult voters? There is a reason for it...

[ClassWarrior]

53. Ahhh, so opposing religious zealotry, "free" trade...

...(which is so fucking ridiculous, you yourself put it in quotes), and illegal corporate hiring practices is "insulting" to the voters??

Keep diggin', pal...

:rofl:

NGU.

[jackson_dem]

60. That isn't what Obama said (latest edition of WORM)

He said religion, not religious zealots. He criticized those who oppose "free" trade for irrationally being "anti-trade". That means you, me and 95% of this board! :rofl:

lol corporate hiring practices? Where was that in his speech?

[ClassWarrior]

64. Why do you use the RW formulation for illegal corporate hiring practices?

Why do you label undocumented workers who are exploited by corporate criminals as "illegal?"

NGU.

[jackson_dem]

66. He wasn't talking about corporate hiring practices

[ClassWarrior]

70. You didn't answer the question.

NGU.

[anamandujano]

84. He doesn't oppose religious zealots. He supports Wright.

[AllentownJake]

46. They

View any democrat that way. Bill's assault weapon ban would have scared them from Hillary. We aren't going to get the gun vote.

[ClassWarrior]

Shit. How did I click on Freek Rape-Public??

Gotta get my Mozilla looked at...

:rofl:

NGU.

[still_one]

18. Really, tell that to those in the steel industry, or others whose jobs are no longer here

Those industries were destroyed by NAFTA and the trade agreements that put the corporations ABOVE THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY

Obama is not making condescending remarks about THEM, he is making condescending remarks about those who FUCKED them, like those who pushed NAFTA, bad trade agreements, reduced regulations in telecommunications, and the banking industry

The people who are feeling the pain, KNOW what's up

[jackson_dem]

29. Obama dissed those against "free" trade as well

I am surprised at how Obama supporters have as a whole completely ignored that gem.

No, he is saying voters are too stupid to know what to do and they cling to those things. The trade comment is the most illustrative of this. He is saying voters are irrationally lashing out at the "free" trade regime. Obama, the Chicago Harvard man, has to tell them what to think. Hey Barack, not everyone views you as a messiah...

[AX10]

41. There is a great "aura" of sainthood around this man.

It is quite disturbing.

[AllentownJake]

Like

People calling Hillary the Goddess of Peace? We got some nuts on both sides you'd agree?

[jackson_dem]

51. Which is why many of us notice the cultlike nature of many of his diehard supporters

[OzarkDem]

109. Tell it to Bush

who ignored NAFTA regulations and shipped their job overseas.

If you're really interested in protecting jobs, take the time to figure out who screwed up the economy and how they did it. It wasn't Clinton, it was Bush. Failure to recognize the root of these problems simply to score cheap political points means they will never be resolved.

The first step to improving the economy is to recognize the mistakes and correcting them. Not knowing who made the mistakes means you're not going to get anywhere.

[still_one]

113. It was a combination of things, but Bill Clinton did his share /nt

[JimGinPA]

24. Mrs. Clinton Is Irrelevant At This Point....

None of your asinine, vitriolic posts are going to change that fact. Soon you are going to accept that he is going to be the democratic nominee.

[AX10]

28. I will not be voting for Obama in the GE.

Also, your arrogance is not going to win over any supporters.

[scheming daemons]

43. Because you're not REALLY a Democrat....

...

[AX10]

Because I am an independent who is identifies with to the Democratic Party.

I do not care for the GOP's recent move towards the far right.
I consider my self to be more of an opponent of conservatism than a liberal.

[PseudoIntellect]

47. It's common sense, not just arrogance.

[still_one]

I am really tired of ANY so-called Obama or Clinton supporter saying they will not in the GE

if THEIR candidate isn't the nominee

Obviously, if they feel that way, and don't see the difference between the DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES verses mccain, they are irrelevent, and should go somewhere else

[still_one]

63. I will vote for whoever the DEMOCRATIC nominee is. You are a mccain enabler

if that is your position

I can only conclude that if you do not vote for the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE UNLESS IT IS HILLARY THEN:

1. You must be for Supreme Court justices like Scalia and Thomas, because that is what mccain is
2. You must be for a permanent prescence in Iraq, because that is what mccain is
3. You must be against abortion, EVEN IF THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER OR INCEST HAS HAPPENED, because that is mccain's position
4. You must be against the GI bill, because mccain is
5. You must believe in water boarding, because mccain voted for it

In fact, ANYONE, Obama or Clinton supporters who DON'T vote for the Democratic nominee, why don't you go to another forum, because DU doesn't want people who will NOT VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE IN NOVEMBER

[zulchzulu]

79. It's Tombstone Time!

Hey, at least you admit Obama kicked Hillary's lyin' ass.

:thumbsup:

[LWolf]

117. I agree. n/t

[peoli]

30. This reads like a Sean Hannity show transcript

[bigbrother05]

32. The argument that the GOP will use

in the GE is so weak. we got a taste of it today, and one was your candidate.

[TLM]

34. even under the most favorable interpretation

In other words, more BS spin from a bias source....

[scheming daemons]

38. Jackson... you have absolutely NO understanding of PA voters.... NONE.

Your post is wrong on so many levels. But to answer your 5 points at the end:


1. Barack Obama was 8 years old when William Ayers and the Weather Underground was active. Obama knows the guy. That doesn't make them "friends".

2. It's not 1988 anymore. We were in a time of relative peace and prosperity then and issues like "flag burning" and "pledge of allegiance" worked for Papa Bush. In a time of war and economic collapse, minutae like that doesn't work in a campaign.

3. Obama didn't dis anyone except those voters that are so overwhelmingly repuke, there is no hope of winning them over. But watch this video to see the effect of his words on NON-repukes in small-town america:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

4. This episode, and his rapid and wonderful response to it (see video in #3), adds to the "Obama Mystique" or "Obama Brand". He's the real "Straight-talk express". And it will show.

5. Clinton isn't perceived as hating small towns... but she IS perceived as being a pathological liar that will say anything to get elected. A large percentage of America doesn't take anything she says seriously anymore.... and her 52% negative ratings show it. As for Obama campaigning in small-town Ohio.... watch the video in #3 to see him campaigning in small-town Indiana. Especially watch the reaction of the crowd.... the white members of the crowd.

They get it.


You.... don't.

[OzarkDem]

110. Obama insulted everyone who lives in small towns

He owes them an apology.

[Moochy]

121. He owes idiots nothing

he did not insult them. (you?)

[thewiseguy]

39. Who is giving Recs to these threads?

[peoli]

49. cocks

[GarbagemanLB]

52. well that's a better answer.

[GarbagemanLB]

50. People who are really desperate for Obama to stumble, as that is Hillary's only chance. Lucky for us

Obamaniacs, Obama once again hit another 'Gate' out of the park and used it to slam Hillary and McCain's hypocrisy.

[LWolf]

119. I recommended it, and I'm not a fan of HRC. n/t

[murielm99]

105. I, for one, recommended this thread.

After looking at a bitchy, angry thread on the front page, telling any Democrat who does not support St. Obama to get out of the way, I thought it was time to see another point of view.

Who am I? I live on the outskirts of a small town, under 2500. There are few jobs here any more. Like most people who live in the country, we have guns. Obama's comments are not going to go over well with people who live in communities like mine.

[LWolf]

118. I am, for one. I agree with it. n/t

[Usrename]

45. Case of classic Republican-style projection.

Taking the fact that McCain and Clinton are elitists who are out of touch with the electorate and trying to project it onto Obama.

My guess, it won't work this time.

Too bad!

[jackson_dem]

61. Clinton condescends toward most voters?

[Usrename]

68. Gee, ya think?

Although maybe all this talk about her high negatives is just one more deceitful ploy being pulled off by the Obama nation.

[jackson_dem]

71. Yeah, it is the product of 16 years of the rethug machine attacking her

[Usrename]

78. Sure, right.

In case you haven't noticed, she has become part of the rethug attack machine. Things are moving along, you know.

Try and keep up.

[jackson_dem]

87. We have come full circle. Clinton is hated by rethugs and it is her fault to "Obama Dems"

[Usrename]

91. She chose to align herself with the right-wing message.

I don't think Obama can do anything about that, can he?

[jackson_dem]

93. Right-wing? She has the same positions St. Obama has

Gore was hated by the same people and still is. Why? Because he is EVIL or because rethugs hate strong Democrats?

[Usrename]

100. She doesn't have the same positions as Obama.

He thinks Washington is fucked up, mostly due to the lobbyists and special interests.

She thinks Washington is working perfectly, and that Western civilization will collapse if we turn a deaf ear to the corporations.

Hardly the same position.

He thinks people in the heartland are bitter and discouraged by the failure of government, so they become easily distracted.

She thinks Obama is an elitist snob to call these common people bitter and angry and easily distracted.

Hardly the same position.

I'll also mention the war.

Hardly the same position.

There are many more examples where she cleaves to the right-wing message, the published right-wing talking points.

Why do you think that is?

(For the record, Big Al was the fist to speak out strongly and loudly against the war. You're wrong about him being the same as her. He's nothing like her.)

[jackson_dem]

101. Why do you think the same people who hate Hill hated Gore--before he even began running in 2000?

You didn't post policies but caricatures.

[Usrename]

104. I don't think that.

Caricatures huh?

You don't think that I captured their diffences accurately? Why am I not surprised, it isn't a pretty picture, is it?

[Name removed]

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[Purveyor]

57. Consumer Confidence Hits Record Low (tumbled to their lowest since January 1974)....

Now tell me the public 'isn't pissed'....

[jackson_dem]

62. They are pissed. That isn't the part of what he said that is troublesome

[Joe the Revelator]

67. The schtick is too thick

Its just a lot of words saying the same, right wing, bullshit.

[jackson_dem]

75. It is common sense

[Joe the Revelator]

81. No its your opinion, and misinformed political prognosticating

You continue to be wrong and purposefully over the top. Its dopey.

[emilyg]

72. Kick

[zulchzulu]

74. This inane, toothless attempt at defending this century's Biggest Loser so far brought to you by...

Desperados. The Official Beer of the Clinton Campaign.

:rofl:

[LWolf]

120. Actually, I agree with the OP, and I'm no fan of HRC.

One can think that Obama is bad for the party and the nation without supporting HRC. Or any republican.

[BenDavid]

80. what cracks me up obigot refers to small town people turning to

religion when he himself turned to a bigoted pastor.The person that first broke this story, Fowler, works for the Huffington Post, a known HRC hate site. Obama's condecending comments were meant to be private, behind closed doors to his elite pals and not for public consumtion. But after sitting on the story for a few days, Fowler, decided to publish the story. I want to thank her for having the courage to alert the public on Obama's true feelings toward middle America.

So it looks like the Obama Campaign has got it's paid bloggers out in force to defend their phony elitist condensing insulting candidate Barack Hussein Obama. And there is no denying that this time Obama in his obnoxious arrogance went too far in his degrading insults about Small Town America and small town Americans.

I find obigot even more insulting and arrogant then even George W Bush and George H W Bush with Draft Dodger Dick Cheney thrown in.Obama owes America, and Americans an immediate apology and then to
get the Hell out of the Presidential Campaign and every Democrat needs to publically disown that loser divisive Obama. As I agree Barack Obama is unfit to be President with that kind of elitist and arrogant attitude as well as Obama's endless lying and racism.

[anonymous171]

83. Wipe up after Pastorbating please.

[sudopod]

88. Why don't you just get it out of the way.

Ask him why he hates AMURIKA. How dare that damn commie accuse the American people of being anything but perfect.

Fuck him and the hippie horse he rode in on.

[Name removed]

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[XOKCowboy]

82. Obama told the truth today.

and the voters of Pennsylvania know it. They HAVE been ignored while their infrastructure has been sold out from under them to overseas companies. They are suffering and they are bitter. Play to the pundits all you want but Obama is speaking to those who don't want the same old thing.

[jackson_dem]

89. It isn't the bitter part that is the problem

[Name removed]

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[sudopod]

85. Relevent to my interests

(thanks Starbucks Anarchist!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08&feature=rela...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI&feature=rela...

[2rth2pwr]

90. The ads are writing themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs&eurl

[jackson_dem]

94. Stunning!

By the way do you mind me using your signature photo?

[2rth2pwr]

102. Go ahead, I stole it from somebody here. I need to try to remember who.

I shrunk it.

[anonymous171]

95. lol. I flagged that video like 5 times already for violating copyright.

[jackson_dem]

97. You won't be able to censor discussion of his book in the general election

The rethugs have not even touched his book yet.

[GarbagemanLB]

98. Good idea, lol.

[2rth2pwr]

103. That's one way to deal with it. Just try and bury Obama's, Michelle's and Wright's words.

[OzarkDem]

108. He's showing us the real Obama

and we can only assume an Obama presidency would reflect the same warped values - working to help Obama and the people HE deems worthy of representation and to hell with the rest.

We've already had 7 years of that kind of leadership. We don't need more of it.

[mmonk]

116. If you're using the Ayers thing

you don't belong here. You belong on a Hannity site. I want to take the time to say that I'm really offended by the constant portrayal of Obama as some sort of dangerous terrorist. It's the worst garbage and hate filled politics in human nature and completely vile.