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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:15 AM
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JUST A FEW OF OBAMA'S LIES
1. his continual reference to his "Christian" faith, which is actually "black liberation theology"; 2. his lies and omissions about his connection to his racist and anti-American "mentor and spiritual adviser"; 3. his lie that the Kennedy family provided the funding for a September 1959 airlift of 81 Kenyan students to the United States that included Obama's father; 4. his current false ad in Pennsylvania in which he lies about taking contributions from the oil companies; 5. his alleged continual opposition to the Iraq war; 6. his denial regarding playing the race card (for which he was busted by Tim Russert); 7. his denial that any meeting took place between his chief economic adviser and the Canadian official about NAFTA; 8. his changing testimony about his relationship with and monetary support from Rezko; 9. his lie about a pharmaceutical lobbyist's involvement in his campaign; 10. his statement that his parents met at the Selma march (when he was actually born 4 year before that); 11. his claim in his book that he received his racial awakening at age nine reading a Life/Ebony Magazine story about a black man who was scarred trying to dye his skin white, when both Life and Ebony say there was no such article.

JUST A FEW OF OBAMA'S FLIP-FLOPS:
1. Special interests In January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the campaigns of Clinton and John Edwards as "special interest" money. Obama changed his tune as he began gathering his own union endorsements. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support. 2. Public financing Obama replied "yes" in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. Obama has now attached several conditions to such an agreement, including regulating spending by outside groups. His spokesman says the candidate never committed himself on the matter. 3. The Cuba embargo In January 2004, Obama said it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba" because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it is "an important inducement for change." 4. Illegal immigration In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a Jan. 31, 2008, televised debate, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation." 5. Decriminalization of marijuana While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:16 AM
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1. Geez. They're called paragraphs.
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 12:16 AM by anonymous171
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lander Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:18 AM
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2. I totally agree...
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 12:18 AM by lander


...that these puppies are adorable!

:wtf:
:spray:
:rofl:
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celophan012 Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:18 AM
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3. There is a pattern developing
Obama is allergic to the truth.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:23 AM
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7. There's another pattern
...everyone who joined DU after March 1st posts divisive comments until they are kicked off. Then they apparently make new names and repeat the process. I wonder how many actual people are behind these names. 2? 5? It's a mystery.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:52 AM
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23. Another pattern: Obamites obsessed with enforcing a gag rule on criticism of the messiah
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:02 AM
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35. Believe me, I was not an Obama supporter for a long time
My candidate's not in it anymore and if Clinton wins I will vote for her. But, and I know you won't believe me, my mind has been made up by the dialog on this site. Both sides have put forth their fair share of divisive language and I expect the rules of the board to followed no matter what prospective nominee you support. If you don't expect that, then by all means join a Clinton only board. And, while we're on the subject, have you been gagged? It seems like you're still here posting freely. Have you not noticed the influx of openly abusive and divisive postings? I know I'm not the only one who has and these people are given several chances before they're kicked off. And they get new names and continue on until they're "punished" again.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:02 AM
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36. and your post count is low...
tread very lightly...

the gators are snapping...:rofl:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:19 AM
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4. Fock, these grapes are sour......


Just another Hillary supporter throwing shit, like a gibbon at the zoo....

Jesus it must be rough not to have a candidate with a clue to stand with.





:patriot:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:20 AM
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5. I just checked: Hillary lied about Bosnia, NAFTA and a lot more, Bill say she forgets things, and
everything is your OP is BS.

Oh, and Hillary can't win.


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Ilithiad Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:14 AM
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41. Bill Clinton...
is an idiot...He was once one the best if not the best campaigner around...now he no longer has any lewinsky's to *fill in blank* he is rusty. Hillary should have never let him near her campaign. She should muzzle him or divorce him as she should have done years ago.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:21 AM
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6. Geesh my Bull shit meter is pegging out here.....
GET YOUR WADERS ON FOLKS...its getting deep!
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:23 AM
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8. Thank you for posting this.
It is nice to see another viewpoint on DU once in awhile. The one-sided chorus of praise for Obama gets monotonous.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:24 AM
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12. I'm all for other view points, but I'm not for total fabrications.
Which most of that is.
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MeDeMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:23 AM
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9. Clinton has lied so much and she is
such a prolific consumer of lobbyist donations that Obama, whatever his shortcomings, carries people's hope for a real change.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:23 AM
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10. You're calling him a liar for being a Christian?
Hate to break it to you, champ, but liberation theology is Christian theology.

<--- preachers son, graduate of Northwest Nazarene University, where I studied Theology while deciding whether on not to follow my father's footsteps.

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:51 AM
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22. The irony is rich, isn't it.
Very rich.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:49 AM
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28. BenDavid will tell you what's Christianity and what is Not.
so speaketh BenDavid so speaketh the non-liberation theology believing Lord.

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:23 AM
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11. Whoa. Hold on a second, Ben. From your avatar, I'm guessing that you might not know this but...
among Christians it is extremely offensive to say just out of the blue that a subgroup of Christian thought is not Christian anymore. While I am not an adherent of liberation theology, I would be very careful about making such a claim.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:26 AM
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13. Sorry it took me so long to respond, but I was dodging sniper bullets /nt
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:27 AM
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15. Yeah... and Gore lied when he claimed he invented the Internet, too, right??
What a total LOAD. What right wing sewer did you suck up THAT human waste from?? :puke:


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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:30 AM
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17. Your calling a lot of things "lies" that are other untrue, or a matter of interpretation
1. opinion, not held by a plurality of theological scholars I might add, not even in the mainstream.

2. opinion

3. never heard of it

4. opinion

5. not a lie, no where can you find anything to show that it is a lie

6. opinion

7. Distortion - he doesn't deny the meeting, he denies that the content of the meeting was intended to undermine his public position. So does the Canadian government, by the way, which is why its a NON-STORY

8. Distortion - he hasn't changed his testimony because he hasn't testified.

9. never heard of it

10. never heard of that, certainly couldn't care less

11. never heard of that, if he got the name of some magazine wrong I'm fine with voting for him.

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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:48 AM
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21. Just because you have never heard of that does not make these wrong
That the Obama supporters see the world through rose colored glasses when it comes to their hero is nothing new.

Both his story about the Kennedy family and his parents meeting during a civil rights march received a lot of coverage... as much as a show host smitten with something that crawl up his leg can be.

And isn't it interesting that when you find missing facts in Clinton's stories it is an indication that she is "habitual liar" but when it is your saint, "you could not care less?"

Since no one here supports Obama for his policy, but for his "judgment" shouldn't such "distortions" be an indication of his judgment?

Not that I expect a rational thinking from any Obama supporter but, just in case others may read.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:36 AM
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18. His "Blank Screen" is getting filled in
That is why he and his supporters want the primary over and him to be 'declared' the nominee, so voters will have no choice
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:53 AM
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24. DING! DING! DING!
We have a winner!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:40 AM
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19. "The Obama Phenomenon" by Rabbi Michael Lerner
The Obama Phenomenon
by Michael Lerner

The Phenomenon is not Barack Obama. Senator Obama is a masterful organizer and teacher. But this editorial is not about Obama as much as about what he elicits in others, and should not be read as an endorsement of him.

The energy, hopefulness, and excitement that manifests in Obama’s campaign has shown up before in the last fifty years, only to quickly be crushed. It was there in the 1960s and 1970s in the Civil Rights movement, the anti-war movement, the women’s movement, the environmental movement, and the movement for gay liberation. One felt it flowing at rallies and demonstrations at which Robert Kennedy, Cesar Chavez, Betty Friedan, Isaac Deutscher, Joan Baez, and Martin Luther King, Jr. articulated their visions. It was there again in Earth Day, in the anti-nuclear movement, and in the movement against the war with the Contras. It was there during the campaign of Jesse Jackson in 1988 and the Clintons’ campaign in 1992. And it has been there—dare we say it—in the growth of the religious right and the Campus Crusade for Christ.

What is that energy and excitement, and why does it touch people so deeply?

Since Tikkun started in 1986 we’ve been trying to convince the political leadership of the liberal and progressive forces that they needed to understand this phenomenon and speak to it. Sometimes we’ve written about it as a hunger for meaning and purpose, and prescribed a “politics of meaning” as the way to respond politically; in the last few years we’ve written about the need for a spiritual progressive politics to bring this energy into the public sphere.

The phenomenon in question is this: the intense desire of every human being on this planet to overcome and transcend the materialism and selfishness that shape the global economic arrangements and permeate the consciousness of all people, to overcome the looking-out-for-number one consciousness that divides us and the technocratic language that shapes our public institutions and denies us access to our common humanity, and to overcome the alienation from each other that this way of being has created so that we might once again recognize each other as embodiments of God or Spirit (or however you want to talk about the force-field of goodness, generosity, kindness, justice, peace, nonviolence, and care for each other and nature and the entirety of all that is).


We Avert Our Eyes from One Another

Every gesture, every word, every deed, every political act, every interaction with others, every message we give ourselves all combine to either reinforce our separation and estrangement from each other or to reconnect us in a deep way that allows genuine mutual recognition, the seeing and hearing of who we really are, the contact we have with the sacred in ourselves, in each other, and in the world.

We live in a world that is humanly deadening. It’s not just the actual murders committed in our name. I picked up the newspaper this morning and read that U.S. forces barged into a home in the village of Door, 100 miles north of Baghdad, and began to fire at the family living there, killing four, including an eleven-year-old girl. Perhaps tomorrow they will issue a statement acknowledging that this was a mistake, as they did today about the killing of nine Iraqi civilians in Iskandariya a few days ago, and the death “under mysterious circumstances” of an Iraqi militiaman who died “in custody after being held for three days on a Baghdad arrest warrant” as a result of a bullet in the head. At some point they’ll
acknowledge that the U.S. invasion let loose dynamics that have led to the deaths of over one million Iraqis, and that the “surge” could only be described as “working” because it accelerated the process of some 3 million Iraqis leaving their homes while neighborhoods were being surrounded by concrete walls to provide protection to one ethnic group while the other groups fled to “safety” elsewhere. But today, most Americans remain in a state of zombie-like denial of what this country continues to do.

Nor is the deadening process confined to the various ways we deny our involvement in the world and what is happening therein. For example, our refusal to acknowledge that paying the taxes to keep the war going is part of what makes it possible; and our refusal to acknowledge that the 20,000-30,000 children who die (on average) every single day around the world because of inadequate food and healthcare are directly connected to our global economic system in which we participate daily and which we accept as “inevitable”; and the distance we maintain from those who seek fundamental change, whom we reject as unrealistic.

No, it’s not just these large systems of oppression and manipulation that deaden us. It’s also our own withdrawn and depressive certainty that nothing much can happen in the world of politics and economics, or even in our interactions with each other. We walk down the streets or ride the buses, subways, or airplanes, averting our eyes from the others who share our circumstances. We are certain that if we start talking to others that they will feel that their privacy has been invaded and will resent it, suspecting that we are out to sell them something or take advantage of them or manipulate them. Instead, as Tikkun associate editor Peter Gabel has so frequently articulated on these pages, we stay inside ourselves, offering ourselves to others only in tightly controlled roles, the dimensions of which have been carefully constructed to ensure that we will not awaken in the others their own hunger for love, friendship, recognition, or aliveness.

And so we deaden ourselves and deaden each other. Each time we avert our eyes, each time we pretend not to see the homeless person, the fellow worker getting into trouble, the neighbor who needs our help, the car stalled on the freeway, and each time we tighten our face and muscles to give to the other the message of “don’t go there” where “there” means “don’t try to force me to be real with you when I’m scared to do that,” we manage to convince the others that nobody gives a damn, that they, too, are alone, and that they would be making a huge mistake to try to break out of their isolation or to think that their own desires for connection are shared by billions of others and are not simply a manifestation of some private inadequacy or pathology.

Recently, some columnists have compared Obama to a rock star because his supporters seem to treat him more like that than like a politician. They are only partially mistaken. What the best and most fulfilling rock concerts of the past several decades have offered one generation is what other multi-generational mega-churches or Super Bowls and World Series’ offer to others: a chance to momentarily experience a transcendence of all those feelings of loneliness and alienation, a momentary ability to be part of a “we” that reminds us of what it feels like to be less alone. For a moment we experience a community of shared purpose, and no matter how intellectually, psychologically, or spiritually empty that moment might be, for that moment we get a distorted but, nevertheless, powerful way of reminding ourselves of how much more we could be than when we are alone and scared.

The problem, of course, is that these moments are often based on an us-versus-them vision of the world: our community requires that some other people be the bad guys. As contemporary psychodynamic psychotherapists like to point out, we are often engaged in splitting our own internalized image of ourselves as fundamentally good and decent from another part, which we see as dirty and unacceptable and hence not really part of us at all but rather part of some “evil Other,” which in the West, through history, has been the Jew, the Black man, the feminist, the homosexual, the communist, the terrorist, the illegal immigrant, etc.


The Effectiveness of Not Demonizing

Obama’s appeal starts from his insistence on not demonizing the Other—the very point from which Tikkun started as a project of the Institute for Labor and Mental Health (ILMH) twenty-two years ago. At ILMH we learned—through conducting an intensive study of working class consciousness—that people moving to the Right politically were not primarily motivated by racism, sexism, and hatred, but by the spiritual crisis in their lives that the Left failed to address and the Right spoke to (albeit with distorted solutions).

Obama avoids detailing his political programs precisely because he knows that in so doing he would shift the discourse from how to break through the fear we have of each other and our “certainty” that we are condemned to be alone and alienated, back to the old discourse about point X or point Y in his health care or environmental program, leaving most people behind in despair. Instead, he confronts that despair straight on.

Obama knows that most people want a very different world, but don’t believe it is possible unless someone else makes it happen. He challenges his audience by telling them that there is no one else, that they themselves are the people who must make the world different. To quote Obama from his Super Tuesday speech: “So many of us have been waiting so long for the time when we could finally expect more from our politics, when we could give more of ourselves and feel truly invested in something bigger than a particular candidate or cause. This is it. We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.”

In short, Obama is telling his supporters, we are not in need of some magical leader, not even Obama himself. Rather, what we need is the confidence in ourselves to reclaim the public space, to break down our fears about ourselves and each other, and to recognize that it is only when we move beyond our personal lives and work together for our highest vision that anything substantial will change.

Obama has used his campaign to teach us that we actually can emerge from our frightened, withdrawn state, and enter into a public community and affirm each other’s humanity, whether that be through our foreign relations, in our approach to immigration, in our economic lives, or, even, in overcoming the ossified categories of “the Left” and “the Right.” And Obama presents himself with a sense of certainty that helps us overcome our own uncertainty—he is determined to win the election because he thinks we can do this if we are willing to “declare that we are with each other.”

It is precisely this striving to create a transcendent experience of connection without demonizing the Other that has been the important element in the Obama phenomenon. Although the criticisms of his seeming inability to recognize the depth of the struggles that must be waged against the entrenched powers of global capital are well-founded, the Obama phenomenon promises to accumulate the power to challenge the powerful precisely by rejecting the demonizing of the other and following a path of nonviolence, not only in actions but also in words. This kind of nonviolent communication, a powerful extension of Gandhi’s and King’s methodology, may actually, in the long run, prove far more effective than pointing out the cruelty and hypocrisy of those who will not challenge the existing systems of militarism and global economic and political domination.

<more ... much more>
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:58 AM
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32. awwww how did you do the pretty div class? :( I want one!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:02 AM
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37. [div style="margin:10pt; padding:5pt; background:#eeffff; border:solid blue 1px;"] Quote Here [/div]
Quote Here
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:09 AM
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39. Thanks! now will see which wins: my desire for creativity or laziness ;)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:14 AM
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40. I have a little Firefox plug-in that pastes it with right-click menu.
Easy. (I'm often lazy.)
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:41 AM
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20. Ben David, just imagine
really liking Obama. Imagine, really listening to him. Imagine that Obama is your friend. Imagine, just for a few minutes, that it is going to be your job to DEFEND Obama to someone who was spreading lies about him.

Imagine that Obama is willing to work really hard to make our country a better place for you and me.

Imagine that he will win the nomination and that there is a possibility that you will be proud of your country because Obama set the stage for the United States of America to begin looking and acting like a place that we the people will again be proud of.

Imagine our soldiers coming back home and a huge groups of people goinh to Iraq for purposes of reconciliation work.

Imagine Obama.

Just imagine not trying to dis him any more.

You will never elevate your candidate one inch by putting Obama down.

It is just not going to happen, this time!

If you don't do something POSITIVE soon, you may need to see an anger management specialist.

Imagine being free of HATE.


K and R
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:55 AM
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31. Then why put Clinton down - all the time?
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:07 AM
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25. I'm glad to see this post; but, you will need to go to the ER after
Obama's "people" get through. They do not like facts about their leader, just capitulation to all things Obama.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:16 AM
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42. you have your facts, we have ours *shrug*




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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:19 AM
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26. 'his continual reference to his "Christian" faith, which is actually "black liberation theology"'
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 01:20 AM by Hissyspit
Nice bigotry there.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:27 AM
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27. No shit.... I had no idea that the UCC church were "black seperatists"
There's a UCC church down the street from me. I don't attend church there, but it's my official voting precinct, so I've been there several times, most recently being the caucus in February, naturally.

Not a single person looked at me funny because I was white. Damn they must have had me fooled :wow:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:05 AM
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38. OP needs to research black liberation theology.
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 02:11 AM by Hissyspit
He doesn't know what he is talking about. Even if he does, either way it is a very ugly appeal to fear of African Americans.

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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:53 AM
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29. K
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:54 AM
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30. It is what it is.....
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 01:54 AM by Bigleaf
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:59 AM
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33. He didn't lie about contirbutions he doesn't take oil money. However you cut it fact. More than one
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 02:00 AM by cooolandrew
way to get oil money and with Clintons at 108 million you can soon figoure out who. Soudi's love to contribute the clinton library.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:00 AM
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34. Shall we list Hillary's...? Or better yet, Bill's current lies
oops, "blunders" Hillary made at 3 am.

This is so pathetic. Predictable, but pathetic.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:28 PM
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43. Questions: When you posted that he refused to say the pledge.
Were you lying then? If so, how often do you lie?
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